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Qtec
04-12-2006, 06:43 AM
Lacking Biolabs, Trailers Carried Case for War
Administration Pushed Notion of Banned Iraqi Weapons Despite Evidence to Contrary

By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 12, 2006; A01



On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."

The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials possessed powerful evidence that it was not true.

A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq -- not made public until now -- had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement.

The three-page field report and a 122-page final report three weeks later were stamped "secret" and shelved. Meanwhile, for nearly a year, administration and intelligence officials continued to publicly assert that the trailers were weapons factories.

The authors of the reports were nine U.S. and British civilian experts -- scientists and engineers with extensive experience in all the technical fields involved in making bioweapons -- who were dispatched to Baghdad by the Defense Intelligence Agency for an analysis of the trailers. Their actions and findings were described to a Washington Post reporter in interviews with six government officials and weapons experts who participated in the mission or had direct knowledge of it.

None would consent to being identified by name because of fear that their jobs would be jeopardized. Their accounts were verified by other current and former government officials knowledgeable about the mission. The contents of the final report, "Final Technical Engineering Exploitation Report on Iraqi Suspected Biological Weapons-Associated Trailers," remain classified. But interviews reveal that the technical team was unequivocal in its conclusion that the trailers were not intended to manufacture biological weapons. Those interviewed took care not to discuss the classified portions of their work.

<font color="blue"> "There was no connection to anything biological," said one expert who studied the trailers. Another recalled an epithet that came to be associated with the trailers: "the biggest sand toilets in the world."</font color>



Gw's claim was that the 'intelligence' was faulty. Here he had the latest intelligence from a group of EXPERTS but the Govt choose to ignore it. Just like in the case of the Alu tubes and the Niger yellowcake, the intelligence was there and in total disagrement from what the Govt was claiming.
Surely it must be clear to all now [ even eg8r ]the Govt was not presenting the REAL picture to the American people. They had an agenda and they cherry-picked bits and pieces of reports to support their assertions.

Time for GW to come clean and repent. [ eg8r too!!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif].

Q.......... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Gayle in MD
04-12-2006, 08:06 AM
Hey Q, these righties on here don't care anything about facts. That's why they watch Fox news!

Bush lied this country into war, that is a fact.
Bush outed a covert CIA operative, during wartime, fact.
Bush along with his republican operatives literally committed election fraud during every election since 2000, fact.
Bush has ruined the lives of those wistleblowers who have spoken out against his illegal activities as president, fact.
Bush is behind all the torture of prisoners around the world, fact.
Bush only respresents the wealthy corporate fascists, the Saudi Arabians, and the New World Order of the Neocon movement. He is the worst, and most dangerous man in the world, and while the Saudis will be thrilled when he goes into Iran with his bombs, they will denounce America for doing so, along with bin Laden.
George Bush should be impeached.

Gayle in Md....wonders when the right will ever wake up!

eg8r
04-12-2006, 09:56 AM
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Those interviewed took care not to discuss the classified portions of their work.
<hr /></blockquote> Right there in the words you have bolded does it state not all the information is available. You have no way of knowing whether what was said is the whole truth, any part of the truth, or made up. However, since the article agrees with your agenda you will quote it to death.

eg8r

eg8r
04-12-2006, 10:01 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Hey Q, these righties on here don't care anything about facts. That's why they watch Fox news! <hr /></blockquote> Hey Gayle, the fact you and Q are ignoring is the classified portion that was not detailed. Those interviewed paid careful attention not to tell all. There is more to the story than what was quoted. You don't have all the information and for all we know, you might only have 1% of the info. However, because it suits your agenda you will latch onto it and call it fact. What a joke.

The only "fact" you have is that a person was quoted in an article stating it. You don't have any facts as to the legitimacy of anything, but that does not bother a couple blowhards with an agenda like the two of you. If we were to take your logic and put it towards everything we have heard, then you would say everything Bush says is "fact" because it was printed in a newspaper.

eg8r

Qtec
04-12-2006, 08:55 PM
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April 12, 2006
Report Raises New Questions on Bush, WMDs
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 11:17 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House faced new questions Wednesday about President Bush's contention three years ago that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq.

The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite.

''We have found the weapons of mass destruction,'' Bush said in an interview with a Polish TV station. ''We found biological laboratories.''

Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said Wednesday that Bush was relying on information from the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agency when he said the trailers seized after the 2003 invasion were mobile biological laboratories. That information was later discredited by the Iraq Survey Group in its 2004 report.

The CIA and DIA publicly issued an assessment one day after the Pentagon team's report arrived in Washington that said U.S. officials were confident that the trailers were used to produce biological weapons. The assessment said the mobile facilities represented ''the strongest evidence to date that Iraq was hiding a biological warfare program.''

McClellan said it was unclear whether officials at the White House were aware of the contradictory field report when Bush repeated the claim in the television interview.

''If and when the White House became aware of this particular issue, I'm looking into that matter,'' McClellan said. ''The White House has asked the CIA and the DIA to go and look into that issue.''

The Post did not say that Bush knew what he was saying was false. But ABC News did during a report on ''Good Morning America,'' and McClellan demanded an apology and an on-air retraction. ABC News said later in a clarification on its Web site that Charles Gibson had erred. McClellan said he had received an apology.

''This is nothing more than rehashing an old issue that was resolved long ago,'' McClellan said. ''I cannot count how many times the president has said the intelligence was wrong.''

''The intelligence community makes the assessment,'' he said. ''The White House is not the intelligence-gathering agency.''

Navy Cmdr. Greg Hicks, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a written statement that the report from the expert team was sent to the DIA on May 27, 2003, but he said the findings were not vetted until over the summer. The statement did not say whether the information was immediately shared with the White House.

''This further analysis led to the conclusion of the ISG that the mobile units were impractical for biological agent production and almost certainly designed and built for the generation of hydrogen,'' Hicks' statement said.

CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Dyck declined to speak specifically about the classified field report but said in general that producing a finished intelligence report takes time, coordination, debate and vetting.

''This is not a fast process, especially when dealing with complex issues,'' she said. ''It is not typically something that happens in a matter of hours.''

The trailers -- along with aluminum tubes acquired by Iraq for what was believed to be a nuclear weapons program -- were primary pieces of evidence offered by the Bush administration before the war to support its contention that Iraq was making weapons of mass destruction.

Intelligence officials and the White House have repeatedly denied claims that intelligence was exaggerated or manipulated in the months before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003. The Iraq Survey Group concluded in 2004 that there was no evidence that Iraq produced weapons of mass destruction after 1991.

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On the Net:

CIA/DIA report on mobile trailers: http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraqi--mobile--plants/paper--w.pdf [ this link is dead!!!!!!!]

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If the mobile trucks had turned out to be WMDs, it would have been used as justification for the invasion, so you can bet that they knew the initial conclusions of the team of experts long before the report was sent.
They didnt like the conclusion and choose to ignore it. ie cherry-picking

Q

eg8r
04-13-2006, 05:17 AM
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If the mobile trucks had turned out to be WMDs, it would have been used as justification for the invasion, so you can bet that they knew the initial conclusions of the team of experts long before the report was sent.
They didnt like the conclusion and choose to ignore it. ie cherry-picking <hr /></blockquote> You can bet, I don't really care about your guesswork at the realities of what happened and what other people knew.

So, back to the post you responded to, the author of your first quote was specific in mentioning which data was withheld, so you don't have all the information. The classified information has been withheld and all you have to go by is what someone is saying. The only times you are willing to accept what people say at face value (and in this instance you or Gayle were actually calling it "fact") is when what they are saying casts W and his admin in a negative light.

eg8r

Qtec
04-13-2006, 06:43 AM
Its not one source its multiple sources. There is such a thing as common sense eg8r.

You expect us to believe that if the report had been favourable to the Govt case they would have waited months before wanting to know its conclusions and releasing it? That they wouldnt have wanted to know ASAP what the findings were from the EXPERT team they sent out specifically for this job?
Was there ANYHING more important to the Govt than finding ANYTHING that resembled a WMD so as to prove some sort of justification for the invasion?

Q

Gayle in MD
04-13-2006, 08:31 AM
Hey Q, I posted some of this very same information which I have read in atleast twenty books which were written by people the right calls, "Disgruntled Employees" who were really Intelligence people who either left out of outrage over what this President was doing, lying, to be exact, or they retired early, because Bush's attack dogs pushed them out. Now, here we are three years later, more and more evidence emerges all the time, which supports what all those people wrote about all along, years ago. SOMEONE on this forum, has drunk a lotta Kool Aid!!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
04-14-2006, 10:21 AM
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There is such a thing as common sense eg8r.
<hr /></blockquote> Yes, i wish you would use it sometimes. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r