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04-16-2006, 03:52 AM
Once Upon End Time

Ever since the dawn of Christianity, groups of believers have searched the scriptures for signs of the End Time and the Second Coming. Today, most of the roughly 50 million right-wing fundamentalist Christians in the United States believe in some form of End-Time theology.

Those 50 million believers make up only a subset of the estimated 100 million born-again evangelicals in the United States, who are by no means uniformly right-wing anti-environmentalists. In fact, the political stances of evangelicals on the environment and other issues range widely; the Evangelical Environmental Network, for example, has melded its biblical interpretation with good environmental science to justify and promote stewardship of the earth. But the political and cultural impact of the extreme Christian right is difficult to overestimate.

It is also difficult to understand without grasping the complex belief systems underlying and driving it. While there are many divergent End-Time theologies and sects, the most politically influential are the dispensationalists and reconstructionists.

Tune in to any of America's 2,000 Christian radio stations or 250 Christian TV stations and you're likely to get a heady dose of dispensationalism, an End-Time doctrine invented in the 19th century by the Irish-Anglo theologian John Nelson Darby. Dispensationalists espouse a "literal" interpretation of the Bible that offers a detailed chronology of the impending end of the world. (Many mainstream theologians dispute that literality, arguing that Darby misinterprets and distorts biblical passages.) Believers link that chronology to current events -- four hurricanes hitting Florida, gay marriages in San Francisco, the 9/11 attacks -- as proof that the world is spinning out of control and that we are what dispensationalist writer Hal Lindsey calls "the terminal generation." The social and environmental crises of our times, dispensationalists say, are portents of the Rapture, when born-again Christians, living and dead, will be taken up into heaven.

"All over the earth, graves will explode as the occupants soar into the heavens," preaches dispensationalist pastor John Hagee, of the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. On the heels of that Rapture, nonbelievers left behind on earth will endure seven years of unspeakable suffering called the Great Tribulation, which will culminate in the rise of the Antichrist and the final battle of Armageddon between God and Satan. Upon winning that battle, Christ will send all unbelievers into the pits of hellfire, re-green the planet, and reign on earth in peace with His followers for a millennium. <font color="blue"> One of the signs will be the rebuilding of a Jewish temple on the Temple Mound in Jerusalem. At the momment, a Mosque stands on that spot. </font color>

Dispensationalists haven't cornered the market on End-Time interpretation. The reconstructionists (also known as dominionists), a smaller but politically influential sect, put the onus for the Lord's return not in the hands of biblical prophesy but in political activism. They believe that Christ will only make his Second Coming when the world has prepared a place for Him, and that the first step in readying His arrival is to Christianize America.

"Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land -- of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ," writes reconstructionist George Grant. <font color="blue"> Christian dominion will be achieved by ending the separation of church and state, replacing U.S. democracy with a theocracy ruled by Old Testament law, and cutting all government social programs,</font color> instead turning that work over to Christian churches. Reconstructionists also would abolish government regulatory agencies, such as the U.S. EPA, <font color="blue">??? </font color> because they are a distraction from their goal of Christianizing America, and subsequently, the rest of the world. "World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish," says Grant. "We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less." Only when that conquest is complete can the Lord return.

If I Had a Hammer

To understand how the Christian right worldview is shaping and even fueling congressional anti-environmentalism, consider two influential born-again lawmakers: House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) and Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Chair James Inhofe (R-Okla.).

DeLay, who has considerable control over the agenda in the House, has called for "march[ing] forward with a Biblical worldview" in U.S. politics, reports Peter Perl in The Washington Post Magazine. DeLay wants to convert America into a "God centered" nation whose government promotes prayer, worship, and the teaching of Christian values.

Inhofe, the Senate's most outspoken environmental critic, is also unwavering in his wish to remake America as a Christian state. Speaking at the Christian Coalition's Road to Victory rally just before the GOP sweep of the 2002 midterm elections, he promised the faithful, "When we win this revolution in November, you'll be doing the Lord's work, and He will richly bless you for it!"

Neither DeLay nor Inhofe include environmental protection in "the Lord's work." Both have ranted against the EPA, calling it "the Gestapo." DeLay has fought to gut the Clean Air and Endangered Species acts. Last year, Inhofe invited a stacked-deck of fossil fuel-funded climate-change skeptics to testify at a Senate hearing that climaxed with him calling global warming "the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people." Hoax?

DeLay has said bluntly that he intends to smite the "socialist" worldview of "secular humanists," whom, he argues, control the U.S. political system, media, public schools, and universities. He called the 2000 presidential election an apocalyptic "battle for souls," a fight to the death against the forces of liberalism, feminism, and environmentalism that are corrupting America. The utopian dreams of such movements are doomed, argues the majority leader, because they do not stem from God.

"DeLay is motivated more than anything by power," says Jan Reid, coauthor with Lou Dubose of The Hammer, a just-published biography of DeLay. "But he also believes in the power of the coming Millennium [of Jesus Christ], and it helps shape his vision on government and the world." This may explain why DeLay's Capitol office furnishings include a marble replica of the Ten Commandments and a wall poster that reads: "This Could Be The Day" -- meaning Judgment Day.

DeLay is also a self-declared member of the Christian Zionists, an End-Time faction numbering 20 million Americans. Christian Zionists believe that the 1948 creation of the state of Israel marked the first event in what author Hal Lindsey calls the "countdown to Armageddon" and they are committed to making that doomsday clock tick faster, speeding Christ's return.

In 2002, DeLay visited pastor John Hagee's Cornerstone Church. Hagee preached a fiery message as simple as it was horrifying: "The war between America and Iraq is the gateway to the Apocalypse!" he said, urging his followers to support the war, perhaps in order to bring about the Second Coming. After Hagee finished, DeLay rose to second the motion. "Ladies and gentlemen," he said, "what has been spoken here tonight is the truth from God."

With those words -- broadcast to 225 Christian TV and radio stations -- DeLay placed himself squarely inside the End-Time camp, a faction willing to force the Apocalypse upon the rest of the world. In part, DeLay may embrace Hagee and others like him in a calculated attempt to win fundamentalist votes -- but he was also raised a Southern Baptist, steeped in a literal interpretation of the Bible and End-Time dogma. Biographer Dubose says that the majority leader probably doesn't grasp the complexities of dispensationalist and reconstructionist theology, but "I am convinced that he believes [in] it." For DeLay, Dubose told me, "If John Hagee says it, then it is true."

Bizzare. They want Global Warming to continue so that the 'end' will come sooner!
I often wondered why anyone would think that thousands of scientists [ including US scientists] were somehow crying wolf on climate change? Why would they do that? What would they gain?
The whacky thing is you have the Christian Zionists and the Jewish lobby working together on Capitol Hill, but the CZ's believe that the Jews will all be dammed unless they repent and become Christian!

Bombing Iran would be bad for all of us but in their eyes it might accelerate the process of Armageddon.
Q....................more reasons for attack? the Iranian Bourse.

04-16-2006, 04:36 AM
Religion is mankinds greatest curse.

04-16-2006, 09:06 AM
People have been predicting the "end time" for centruies...and so far they have all been wrong. The bible states that no one on earth is going to know when the time is at hand. Revelations gives us some indicators of what to expect, but it's all open to individual interpertation. Fact of the matter is, we don't know the future. None of us knows when our time will be up, whether it be from a car accident, getting shot in a pool room, bird flu, or the end of the earth. You just gotta take each day as a gift and make the most of it. Yes, today could be the day, or tomorrow, or next Wednesday. We don't know, we won't know, and it really shouldn't matter. Right now...this moment in time...is all we really have. The question is, what are we doing with it?

04-17-2006, 04:51 AM
We are talking Falwell and Paterson. DeLay and Fieth. Wolfowitz and many, many more people who are actually in power. We are talking the Religious right and the Jewish lobby.
O'Rielly and the War against Christianity. Godless Supreme Court Judges who HAVE to be replaced!
There is a big difference in believing in the end of the world and it becoming an objective. Jesus cant come back until Israel is established and the Jewish temple is built on the Mound. Basically, they cant wait to die!....and they want to take US with them! After all, we are all sinners , so why should they care..

I dont care what others believe, its their business............until they want to invovle me in their plan.


04-17-2006, 07:36 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote moblsv:</font><hr> Religion is mankinds greatest curse. <hr /></blockquote>

Ideas are the ultimate weapons of mass destruction.

Gayle in MD
04-17-2006, 08:46 AM
The most dangerous thing happening in this counrty today, IMO, is the religious, evangelical/political movement, and The New World Order...

Here's a question for you...who is the most evil, Saddam, bin Laden, Bush, Cheney, or Karl Rove?

Gayle in Md.
So Proud I Didn't Vote For George Bush!

04-17-2006, 08:59 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>who is the most evil, Saddam, bin Laden, Bush, Cheney, or Karl Rove?<hr /></blockquote>

I don't like using the 'evil' word because it implies some sort of mystical, unexplainable force i.e. devil.

Who is the most dangerous due to their irrational following of an ideology, thirst for power and being in a position where they can be dangerous? Bush is too stupid to be a real threat. I think the underlying structure of lies from the right wing propaganda machine is the real danger. i.e. Rove

Saddam, Laden etc. have more intent to do harm but could never hope, in their wildest dreams, to do near the damage the Bush regime has done.

Gayle in MD
04-17-2006, 09:04 AM
Amen! (Excuse the pun) /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Gayle in Md.
So Proud I Didn't Vote For George Bush!

04-18-2006, 02:44 AM
Qtec (and otherz) -- keep it coming -- this iz great stuff -- religion must be the greatest threat to our environment -- alltho there are a couple of greenish religionz. I enjoy reading all of the cases of failed end-time predictionz by religious leaderz, and their excusez.

But, perhaps the most poizonous dogma kumz from the bite of another viper -- the chicago school -- koz, if the economy iz (very) sickly, the environment will surely suffer.

I suppoze that there iz a good side to everything ----
The USSR tryd to eliminate God.
China tryd to eliminate population growth.
Hitler tryd to eliminate economists.
The USA iz reversing all of the above -- but (apart from saving us in WW1 and WW2 and WW3), what can be written for the USA -- hmmmmm, probably the best freedom of speech lawz -- on the other hand, the USA iz reversing this allso i think.

04-18-2006, 06:05 AM
Just a suggestion here, but people might take you more seriously if you got rid of the "cute spelling" and actually tried to write and spell correctly. We all make spelling errors, but most of us don't do it on purpose.