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Qtec
04-26-2006, 07:20 AM
From the Feds, we have a clarified abstinence-only policy defining abstinence as eschewing not just actual intercourse but "any type of genital contact or sexual stimulation between two persons" outside of marriage, which, of course, is explicitly defined as involving one man and one woman. No further explanation of "sexual stimulation" is offered, leaving some pretty hazy areas for neophyte pledgees to navigate. Does sexual stimulation include kissing? Phone sex? Smoky hot eye contact that twinges you so deeply you're happy to drop a fifty on the table, leaving the waiter a 200% tip, if it means you can get your date out to the car more quickly? Or maybe the people who wrote this claptrap have never experienced anything like that, or--even more sadly--maybe they really think the capacity for sexual stimulation exists only in that narrow zone between the legs.

Next up, a bill introduced by the Ohio legislature not only would make it a felony for a woman to have an abortion, but also makes it a felony for her to travel to a different state for an abortion, or to transport or otherwise aid a woman in leaving the state to terminate a pregnancy. Never mind, for the moment, that this law (should it be ratified) doesn't have a chance in hell of passing Constitutional muster; the implications for travel restrictions and ever more invasive "security" protocols are staggering.

Finally, I came across Digby's post on the Purity Ball--quite possibly the most unnerving manifestation of the movement I've yet seen. This event, recently held in South Dakota (courtesy of the Abstinence Clearinghouse), can pretty much be summed up as Ritualistic Surrender of My Sexuality to Daddy. At the Purity Ball, girls don prom dresses to be escorted by their fathers to a Dominionist's wet dream of a formal dance where dad and daughter pose for prom-style pictures under a heart-shaped arch of balloons.

The highlight is the exchange of vows part of the program where girls and fathers read pledges to each other. Here's the girl's part:


I pledge to remain sexually pure...until the day I give myself as a wedding gift to my husband. ... I know that God requires this of me.. that he loves me. and that he will reward me for my faithfulness.

And here's Dad's scripted reply:


I, (daughter's name)'s father, choose before God to cover my daughter as her authority and protection in the area of purity. I will be pure in my own life as a man, husband and father. I will be a man of integrity and accountability as I lead, guide and pray over my daughter and as the <font color="blue"> high priest</font color> in my home. This covering will be used by God to influence generations to come.

(Let's review. This event is pushed by an organization that is deeply involved in providing sex ed abstinence curricula to schools. The highlight of the event has both parties involved invoking God. Please, if anyone tries to argue to you that abstinence is based on sound science and pursued in service of public health rather than proselytizing, please please please knock them upside the head. But I digress.)

With this creepy little ritual, the girl surrenders her sexuality to the protection and control of, first, her father, and second, to her future husband. She frames herself as an object to be given as a "gift" to a presumably unknown man in the future, a gift that will only be of worth if she has eschewed all sexual activity (apparently at any level of stimulation; see my previous post) beforehand. The father's place as not only the temporal head of the household, and not just the spiritual head, but the freakin' "high priest," <font color="blue"> LOL </font color> is cemented. Trip-trap over to the Clearinghouse's website and look at the pictures. Many of the girls making these vows to father and God look to be barely out of the single digits, with likely only the faintest glimmer of recognition of what the script they're reading is really talking about.

The people who pooh-pooh the notion that abortion restrictions and abstinence movements are, at their cores, solely about controlling women's sexuality need to take a very close look at the laws and bizarre rituals growing out of those movements and try to come up with compelling arguments supporting their positions. They need to explain why there are no parallel rituals prescribing male purity prior to marriage, why females are being targeted not only as the commodity to be protected from sexual sullying but also, contradictorily, the very source of sexual pollution if left uncontrolled and unchecked by paternal intervention (thus the mindset manifested in the MO legislature's refusal to fund birth control for low-income women, on the grounds that it would lead to promiscuity).

What does the Purity Ball imply about the mother's role in her daughter's growth and development? How, exactly, is the father to "cover" his daughter in authority when it comes to matters of sex? If a purity pledge girl does engage in pre-marital sexual stimulation, what punishments befall her due to her violation of this added layer of accountability, not simply the God of Leviticus and St. Paul but now Daddy the High Priest as well?

Remind me, again, why we're fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan (quick, somebody nudge W awake and remind him of his original war while we still have guys left to fight it). Remind me how the administration framed that one--not just to destroy the infrastructure that supported and fostered Al Qaeda, but to liberate the women of Afghanistan. Remember all that "W is for Women" crap? The Taliban have to be laughing their asses off right now. The adminstration is inspiring cultural change far more insidious and radical than the scruffy bearded guys over there in the caves ever could have dreamed of on their own.




Wierd! Frightening to think that this is Bush's base and the very people that Karl rove targets for votes.

q

Deeman3
04-26-2006, 08:08 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr>[b]Remind me, again, why we're fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan (quick, somebody nudge W awake and remind him of his original war while we still have guys left to fight it). Remind me how the administration framed that one--not just to destroy the infrastructure that supported and fostered Al Qaeda, but to liberate the women of Afghanistan. Remember all that "W is for Women" crap? The Taliban have to be laughing their asses off right now. The adminstration is inspiring cultural change far more insidious and radical than the scruffy bearded guys over there in the caves ever could have dreamed of on their own.

q

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<font color="blue">Q, if you judge that this silly "pledge" is more oppressive than the Taliban cutting off the heads of women and stoning them if they are not wearing a veil, you have a warped sense of equalibrium. You equate the voluntary pledge to abstinence to these atrocities? This is exactly why you continue to lose on values, blaming the other side for things they did not do and making comparisons no sane human would draw. </font color>

Deeman
Keep it up....We need the help right now...

wolfdancer
04-26-2006, 11:35 AM
"making comparisons no sane human would draw"

Call me crazy, but while the comparision is not to be taken literally, the Taliban's code regarding women's virtues, being to the extreme, both sides, to me are regarding women, not as equals to men.
Their "prize" must be guarded by men, until a qualified man takes it as his right, his "gift".
Where does the woman's free choice enter into the equation?
I don't see where this has anything to do with the war in general....you're both attributing too much meaning to the
"Norman Rockwell" style, family morals, ball's meaning re national policies.
that is not to say....that GWB wouldn't like to impose these value on the masses, while preserving less stringent restraints for the ruling society

hondo
04-26-2006, 11:45 AM
What's wrong with a purity ball? When my daughter
was 13 I was chasing her out of men's dorms all
over campus. Vows of chastity sound good to me
for a teenage girl.

SPetty
04-26-2006, 12:09 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> Vows of chastity sound good to me for a teenage girl. <hr /></blockquote>Teenage girls wouldn't have that problem if the teenage boys had a vow of chastity. Hmmm... Why don't the men ever think of that?

Gayle in MD
04-26-2006, 01:12 PM
BWA HA HA HA HA...good one.

Well, I had the answer to this problem, but the neocons went into attack mode, big time. Just enforce mandatory Vasectomy for all boys, after the age of twelve, of course, and all single men. It's practically painless, compared to pregnancy, that is, it's reversable, and it would completely solve the problem of teen pregnancy! Hey, it only takes five minutes, hell, I could perform hundreds a day right here on my kitchen table, with a good pair of toe nail clippers. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hey, it'a always the girls fault, right? I mean ... It's in the Bible, so it must be true!!!

In spite of the statistics, which prove that abstinence does not work, the right continues to promote this ridiculous notion that the correct action must be through controlling the bodies and minds of young girls, AH HA HA HA...that is just too funny for words! It IS, afterall, these randy little teen aged girls that are always trying to get laid, and think of nothing else from the first time they reach into their diapers, right?

WE already HAVE a solution for teen-aged pregnancy, it's called the birth control pill! You know, that little pill that the religious right is out to ban!


The religious right, should be called, the ignorant wrong!

Gayle in Md.
SO Proud I Did Not Vote For George Bush!

pooltchr
04-26-2006, 01:31 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Just enforce mandatory Vasectomy for all boys, after the age of twelve, of course, and all single men. <hr /></blockquote>

Good plan there, Gayle. Mandatory vasectomy for all boys after the age of 12. I guess our civilization would reach the end of existance in , oh, 80 years or so...

That's what I like about you...you always think things through before you post.
Steve

Gayle in MD
04-26-2006, 01:47 PM
Thanks Steve, and not only that, but it would be a huge improvment over Armagedden! HA HA HA....

Gayle in Md.

DickLeonard
04-26-2006, 01:56 PM
Pooltchr if they can put a vein in your heart they sure as hell can put a new vein in your heart on.####

Gayle in MD
04-26-2006, 02:00 PM
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