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wolfdancer
05-17-2006, 12:14 PM
Forty-three presidents have served the United States in these past 228 years, overseers of the longest running democracy in the world.

While the Bush II Administration's "War on Terror" and its Orwellian progeny -- Patriot Acts I & II -- demand that Americans relinquish their civil liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights and Constitution in exchange for Homeland Security, we must never forget that this country has survived a Revolutionary War, a Civil War, two World Wars, a Cold War, and half a century of CIA malfeasance, without devolving into a totalitarian state.

America's greatest presidents were keenly aware of the fragility of liberty and freedom of expression, and worked steadfastly toward their protection.

Consider how the following sentiments would be interpreted by today's media pundits, were each of these men currently campaigning for the office of the presidency. Which candidate would be endlessly derided as the "peacenik," the "America hater," the "anarchist," or the "lunatic fringe" candidate? Which candidates would be placed on terrorist watch lists?

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
--Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to (Col.) William F. Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864, five months before his assasination

The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.
--Teddy Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.--Abraham Lincoln

I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
--James Madison, June 16, 1788

Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of government. The history of liberty is the history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of the limitation of governmental power, not the increase of it.
--Woodrow Wilson

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
--Ronald Reagan, March 2, 1977

There is more selfishness and less principle among members of Congress ... than I had any conception of, before I became President of the United States.
--James K. Polk, December 16, 1846

When we got into office, the thing that surprised me most was to find that things were just as bad as we'd been saying they were.
--John F. Kennedy

The best way to enhance freedom in other lands is to demonstrate here that our democratic system is worthy of emulation.
--James E. Carter

There is nothing wrong in America that can't be fixed with what is right in America.
--William Clinton

The goal to strive for is a poor government but a rich people.
--Andrew Johnson

The more I study it [the Constitution], the more I have come to admire it, realizing that no other document devised by the hand of man ever brought so much progress and happiness to humanity.
--Calvin Coolidge, 1929

We Americans have no commission from God to police the world.
--Benjamin Harrison

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
--George Washington, Treaty of Tripoli, 1796

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
--Thomas Jefferson, February 10, 1814

War should never be entered upon until every agency of peace has failed.
--William McKinley, March 4, 1897

He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world's believing him. This falsehood of the tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions.
--Thomas Jefferson, August 19, 1785

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.
--Harry S. Truman

To waste, to destroy, our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we ought by right to hand down to them amplified and developed.
--Teddy Roosevelt, December 3, 1907

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror.
--Franklin Delano Roosevelt, March 4, 1933

In the field of world policy; I would dedicate this nation to the policy of the good neighbor.
--FDR, March 4, 1933

I will never apologize for the United States of America -- I don't care what the facts are.
--George Bush, Newsweek, August 15, 1989 (Commenting on the shooting down of an Iranian airliner by the U.S. warship Vincennes, killing 290 civilian passengers.)

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, in a final sense, [is] a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
--Dwight Eisenhower, April 16, 1953

Evil acts of the past are never rectified by evil acts of the present.
--Lyndon B. Johnson, July 21, 1964

Peace is more than just the absence of war. True peace is justice, true peace is freedom. And true peace dictates the recognition of human rights.
--Ronald Reagan, September 22, 1986

Depends on what your definition of is is.
--Bill Clinton, August 17, 1998

Mothers all want their sons to grow up to be president but they don't want them to become politicians in the process.
--John Fitzgerald Kennedy

You know I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office.
--George W. Bush, 1989

I don't know whether I'm going to win or not. I think I am. I do know I'm ready for the job. And, if not, that's just the way it goes.
--George W. Bush, Des Moines, Iowa, Aug. 21, 2000

I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves.
--George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier -- so long as I'm the dictator.
--George W. Bush, Dec. 19, 2000

It's interesting to me how GWB's quotes compare to other President's

web page (http://Forty-three presidents have served the United States in these past 228 years, overseers of the longest running democracy in the world.)

pooltchr
05-17-2006, 12:30 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.--Abraham Lincoln

I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
--James Madison, June 16, 1788

Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of government. The history of liberty is the history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of the limitation of governmental power, not the increase of it.
--Woodrow Wilson

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These three belong in the cookies and milk thread. If everyone understood these comments, we would all be much better off.
Steve

nAz
05-17-2006, 03:25 PM
how acurate is this...

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
--Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to (Col.) William F. Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864, five months before his assasination


President Gumps quotes... i mean, I don't know if i should laugh or cry... WTF!

wolfdancer
05-17-2006, 03:38 PM
Yeah, that was the one that got me too......Ole Abe was just off by a few years with that prediction....at least that seems to be where we are heading
An oligarchy or plutocracy, to replace our democratic rule....
And like in Steve's Milk and Cookies thread...we might end up like Singapore....where chewing gum is an offense, and people, even tourists are stopped on the street and forced to get a conforming haircut. While they do have elections....one party has been in control for over 40 years.
We, of course, have had a Democratic President in between "Papa Doc" Bush, and "Baby Doc" Bush.....and now they want to pass the mantle to "What's up,Doc?" Jebba,the Hut Bush

Gayle in MD
05-17-2006, 06:31 PM
I've decided that George Bush isn't a lame duck president, he's a lame llama president.

Gayle in Md.

theinel
05-17-2006, 11:52 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr>I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
--Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to (Col.) William F. Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864, five months before his assasination<hr /></blockquote>

I'm totally with you in general on this wolfdancer, and I love this quote but it's authenticity is in question (nAz may have been pointing that out with his post but I'm not sure.) Lincoln's private secretary John Nicolay disputed it strenuously. Here is one link (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.htm), and a second (http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo25.html) claiming the quote is not genuine and a third (http://www.ratical.org/corporations/Lincoln.html) that claims it is.

Even if it wasn't Lincoln, the person that said it was a genius. Corporations do, or very soon will, rule the world.

theinel
05-18-2006, 12:07 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr>It's interesting to me how GWB's quotes compare to other President's<hr /></blockquote>
Another recent W quote that kills me...

"...I'm the decider and I decide what's best..."

I'm sure there have been other bad Presidents but it really pains me to have to live through the presidency of the worst one ever.

Qtec
05-18-2006, 03:29 AM
the right man (http://www.nearlygood.com/video/rightmancritical.html) /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q

DickLeonard
05-18-2006, 05:05 AM
Wolfdancer I think Bill Clinton's is is has been debated as much as Hal Mix aiming system.####

Gayle in MD
05-18-2006, 05:39 AM
Ditto!! And I find it even more painful to have to put up with people dumb enough to continue to support him, who will grab at every available straw to minimize his obvious failures, and intentional deceit, and all the damage he has brought about to our country, our troops, and our reputation in the world. Those who voted for him should be apologizing to the rest of us, instead of attacking our disgust and outrage.

Gayle in Md.

Deeman3
05-18-2006, 06:05 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> Yeah, that was the one that got me too......Ole Abe was just off by a few years with that prediction....at least that seems to be where we are heading <font color="blue"> Wolf, actually, he was not off by much and probably not all that wrong. The industriasl revolution created many monopolies with steel, oil and government. These were broken up a bit by organized labor who were also corrupt and anti-trust laws that helped diversify things for a while. Now, we are seeing the same cycle repeating with oil and big government in particular. </font color>
An oligarchy or plutocracy, to replace our democratic rule....
And like in Steve's Milk and Cookies thread...we might end up like Singapore....where chewing gum is an offense, and people, even tourists are stopped on the street and forced to get a conforming haircut. <font color="blue"> Not really, that's a part of the neaural backlash to the small attempts at control that we see now. The left will prevale at leasdt for one election cycle and we will be back on track in a few years. The only sad thing is that the poor will continue to suffer under both. Those who have something (tangible wealth among the left and right) know how to protect it under both styles of government. </font color> While they do have elections....one party has been in control for over 40 years.
We, of course, have had a Democratic President in between "Papa Doc" Bush, and "Baby Doc" Bush.....and now they want to pass the mantle to "What's up,Doc?" Jebba,the Hut Bush <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> Four years or Hillary will more than make up for the move to the conservative side we have seen in the last few years. There are people who are betting that this may cause the demise of the democratic party for another 40 years but the Republicans seem hell bent not to take advantage (no, tearfilled, viable, sexy candidates in the wings). </font color>


Deeman
Maybe it time for Deeman!!!!

Sid_Vicious
05-18-2006, 06:21 AM
I'm afraid this presentation from those in this country still defending Bush represents the reality of the current intellegence quotient of this citizenship Gayle...sid

Gayle in MD
05-18-2006, 06:38 AM
The latest NYT/ABC results show that Americans are more disillusiioned than they have been in the last two decades about the state of our union. One Republican was quoted, saying she only voted for him because he was Republican, but wishes she now could take her vote back. Let's hope those types will have realized by November that what Republicans pormise, and what they deliver once they get in there, are two entirely idfferent things.

Also, more and more republican come under corruption investigations every day, and I think we're on the verge of a Karl Rove indictment, which would be the best thing that has happened in a long time, especially if the investigation continues into the matter of Dick Cheney's involvment, and resulting lies regarding the matter when he was interviewed. I think George Bush is shaking in his shoes, terrified that once this thing is completely exposed, and Democrats take over the House and Senate, he'll be on his way to impeachment, which in this case, would be the very best thing that could happen to this country, our values, laws and reputation, regardless of the negative spin that Rove and the Republicans are going to try to put on such a possibility. America and the world need to know, in this country, NO ONE is above the law, the rules of war, the Constitution, and the system of checks and balances.

Gayle in md.

wolfdancer
05-18-2006, 07:32 AM
That was all interesting reading, esp the quotes on racial equality....kind of tarnishes the image a bit.
And Then:
"Even though Lincoln was the highest paid trial lawyer in Illinois when he was elected, and had long been essentially a lobbyist for the Northern [plutocracy], folklore has it that he was "a man of the people."
While the present Republican party is not the party of Lincoln.....maybe it is the party of Lincoln after all???

theinel
05-18-2006, 11:56 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> the right man (http://www.nearlygood.com/video/rightmancritical.html) /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q <hr /></blockquote>
These guys all have limited repertoires. Here's a link to some Daily Show footage showing Rumsfled denying we will invade Iran by repeating stuff he said while denying we were going to invade Iraq...

Henny-Penny (http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TDS-Rummy-henny-Penny.wmv)

wolfdancer
05-18-2006, 12:25 PM
Q, that was great !!!! lol