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SnakebyteXX
05-21-2006, 06:16 AM
Water as fuel... (http://www.wimp.com/fuelwater/)

dg-in-centralpa
05-21-2006, 09:04 AM
Never happen. The gov't will not let it be produced. Think of how many people would be out of jobs at the oil refineries.

DG

Stretch
05-21-2006, 12:00 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> Never happen. The gov't will not let it be produced. Think of how many people would be out of jobs at the oil refineries.

DG <hr /></blockquote>

Conspiracy theory's have always been around about the big oil company's, and auto makers (with government approval) squashing anybodys attempt to produce and market cheap, clean energy. If the will was really there, we would have been off our dependency on fossel fuels a long time ago. Makes you wonder who the real enemy is.

The fact is we've all been sucked into Pinning our whole economy on a NON-RENEWABLE resource. And one that is quickly disapearing while it destroys our environment. How short sighted is that? We'll know in our childrens lifetime anyway. I'd love to be transported 200 years into the future, just to see if we made it. I sure have my doubts. St.

dg-in-centralpa
05-21-2006, 01:39 PM
Some years ago, someone developed a carbureator that got 80 miles to the gallon. The car manufacturers bought it and nothing happened. This was about 10 years ago.

DG

Rich R.
05-21-2006, 06:02 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> Some years ago, someone developed a carbureator that got 80 miles to the gallon. The car manufacturers bought it and nothing happened. This was about 10 years ago. <hr /></blockquote>
I've been hearing this story since the 60's. However, I don't know if it is true or legend. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

SnakebyteXX
05-21-2006, 06:27 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> Some years ago, someone developed a carbureator that got 80 miles to the gallon. The car manufacturers bought it and nothing happened. This was about 10 years ago. <hr /></blockquote>
I've been hearing this story since the 60's. However, I don't know if it is true or legend. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif <hr /></blockquote>

128 mpg diesel powered car (http://www.rqriley.com/cent.html)

157 MPG Lightweight Diesel to Debut at Geneva (http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/02/157_mpg_lightwe.html)

cushioncrawler
05-21-2006, 06:53 PM
I remember seeing (skeptics???) where the welding properties were over-rated (for technical reasons) -- a lot of people (farmers were the main target?) in the bible belt (main target??) lost money (main target???). But perhaps car-power will work -- but it smellz over-rated to me allready.

theinel
05-21-2006, 08:37 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> Some years ago, someone developed a carbureator that got 80 miles to the gallon. The car manufacturers bought it and nothing happened. This was about 10 years ago.

DG <hr /></blockquote>
Not what you're talking about I'm sure but have you seen the Smart Car (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_%28automobile%29)? It supposedly gets 48 MPG City and 67 MPG highway (around 56-58 average). It has a Mercedes engine capable of a top speed of 84 MPH. I have a hard time imagining many people driving one of these things in the US but they are gaining a following in Europe (here is another site (http://www.nd.edu/~techrev/Archive/Winter2002/a3.html) with better details). Here is a video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4104261162559881379&amp;q=smart+car) of one hitting a wall at high speed. If that link doesn't work go to video.google.com and search for "smart car", there are several crash test videos there.

Rich R.
05-22-2006, 02:56 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote theinel:</font><hr> I have a hard time imagining many people driving one of these things in the US but they are gaining a following in Europe <hr /></blockquote>
Although these cars may not be great for the high speed highways of the U.S., don't be surprised if the find a following with the inner city commuters. A small, easy to park, car is great in the city. Just look at the popularity of the Mini-Cooper.

Fran Crimi
05-22-2006, 05:22 AM
It seems like these cars are death traps when having to travel on the same roads with the heavier cars. I certainly wouldn't want to chance being in one and being hit by an SUV or heavy vehicle.

The fuel issue is important but I value my life more than that.

Fran

dg-in-centralpa
05-22-2006, 10:16 AM
This was back in the 90's and was reported in the papers. But then again, you can't always believe what's in the papers, although it was with pictures and an AP byline.

DG

catscradle
05-22-2006, 11:26 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> Some years ago, someone developed a carbureator that got 80 miles to the gallon. The car manufacturers bought it and nothing happened. This was about 10 years ago. <hr /></blockquote>
I've been hearing this story since the 60's. However, I don't know if it is true or legend. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Me too, I say it's legend. A carb can be more or less efficient, but in the end it comes down to the size of the engine and the minimum about of fuel it requires.
I see no incentive for the auto companies to buy it up and sit on it. The oil companies maybe, but not the auto companies, it would be such a huge competitive advantage for one of them to produce normal cars getting 80 mph.
BTW, the guy who sets next to me in work drives a VW diesel and gets 58 mph highway and it has plenty of pep. At least that's what he tells me and he is a quite honest person.