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kevinkins
06-03-2006, 09:13 AM
Pro baseball football basketball hockey all have clear cut organizations both in and out of the USA. How is pool/billiards organized? Are there competing leagues?
Like back in the days of the NFL/AFL, NBA/ABA, NHL/AHL?

Kevin

dr_dave
06-03-2006, 10:17 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote kevinkins:</font><hr> Pro baseball football basketball hockey all have clear cut organizations both in and out of the USA. How is pool/billiards organized? Are there competing leagues?
Like back in the days of the NFL/AFL, NBA/ABA, NHL/AHL?<hr /></blockquote>
Many of the main pool organizations that sponsor leagues and pro tour events are linked under "Pool and Billiards Organizations" in the links area of my website (http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/pool/links.html). You can learn more about them by clicking on some of the links. As far as I can tell, there is no real lead organization.

Dave

caedos
06-03-2006, 10:27 AM
Wow! Where to begin? This sounds like a book Shamos should write: The History of Organized Competitive Billiards.

There are many organized groups of amateur and professional billiards players. You can find them online and on blogs to decide for yourself. BCA, UPL, PCA, WPBA, MPBA, PBA, APA, TAP, IPT, VNEA, WPA, BWCA, EASB, CPA, USPPA, EAI, USBA, UPA, EABA, ASPF, and I'm sure there are others. Good luck.

Carl

kevinkins
06-03-2006, 04:08 PM
Why is pool so fractionated? What if the top players banned together to make a super league?

Kevin

yaffabernstein
06-03-2006, 07:20 PM
They have, its called the UPA and the IBT.

Bumps
06-03-2006, 10:19 PM
Your comment about the NHL/AHL being competitive is WAY off base. The AHL was and still is a primary minor league developmental league. You may mean the WHA {World Hockey Association}.

pooltchr
06-04-2006, 05:46 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote kevinkins:</font><hr> Why is pool so fractionated? What if the top players banned together to make a super league?

Kevin <hr /></blockquote>

The problem is that in the past, men's pool has been run by male pros. While they are very good players, they don't seem to grasp the business end of things. The ladies got smart. They worked TOGETHER...formed the WPBA, and have done very well. They have a common goal and they work toward that goal. That way everyone benefits. The men just haven't figured it out yet. Hopefully, with the IPT, we have a business minded leader who will promote the tour and the game, and the players can do what they do best...play pool.
Steve

kevinkins
06-04-2006, 06:42 AM
So who organized the World 14.1 being played this weekend?
Is the winner really the world champ? Or is the title up for debate. Yes many great players are there so perhaps that validates the event in an of self.

- Kevin

dr_dave
06-04-2006, 09:04 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote yaffabernstein:</font><hr> They have, its called the UPA and the IBT. <hr /></blockquote>
Did you mean IPT?

Dave

Scott Lee
06-04-2006, 11:31 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote yaffabernstein:</font><hr> They have, its called the UPA and the IBT. <hr /></blockquote>

The UPA is merely the latest incarnation of a loosely banded men's professional organization...similar to the MPBA(70's), the PBTA (80's), and Camel Pro Tour (90's)...NONE of which have worked, as a group, for the actual benefit of the players. The IPT is a privately funded series of tournaments, and not a professional organization, per se.

Scott Lee

Bob_Jewett
06-05-2006, 06:17 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote kevinkins:</font><hr> So who organized the World 14.1 being played this weekend?
Is the winner really the world champ? Or is the title up for debate. Yes many great players are there so perhaps that validates the event in an of self<hr /></blockquote>
The promoter is Dragon Promotions. The sanctioning body is the WPA. The WPA is the international group which organizes nine ball, eight ball and now 14.1 world championships. It is recognized by the IOC through the WCBS as the governing body for pool.