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Qtec
06-17-2006, 04:53 AM
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June 6th, 2006
Joseph Heller, Catch 22:

What right did they have?”

“Catch-22.”

“What?” Yossarian froze in his tracks with fear and alarm and felt hiw while body begin to tingle. “What did you say?”

“Catch-22,” the old woman repeated, rocking her head up and down. “Catch-22. Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can’t stop them from doing.”

“What the hell are you talking about?” Yossarian shouted at her in bewildered, furious protest. “How did you know it was Catch-22? Who the hell told you it was Catch-22?”

. . . .

“Didn’t they show it to you?” Yossarian demanded, stamping about in ager and distress. “Didn’t you even make them read it?”

“They don’t have to show us Catch-22,” the old woman answered. “The law says they don’t have to.”

“What law says they don’t have to?”

“Catch-22.”

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Invoking Secrets Privilege Becomes a More Popular Legal Tactic by U.S., New York Times:

Facing a wave of litigation challenging its eavesdropping at home and its handling of terror suspects abroad, the Bush administration is increasingly turning to a legal tactic that swiftly torpedoes most lawsuits: the state secrets privilege.

In recent weeks alone, officials have used the privilege to win the dismissal of a lawsuit filed by a German man who was abducted and held in Afghanistan for five months and to ask the courts to throw out three legal challenges to the National Security Agency’s domestic surveillance program.

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“If the very people you’re suing are the ones who get to use the state secrets privilege, it’s a stacked deck,” said Representative Christopher Shays, Republican of Connecticut, who proposed the measure and has campaigned against excessive government secrecy.

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“In most state secrets cases, the plaintiffs’ lawyers don’t know what the alleged secrets are,” Mr. Zaid said.

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One plaintiff, Maher Arar, a Syrian-born Canadian, was detained while changing planes in New York and was taken to Syria, where he has said he was held in a tiny cell and beaten with electrical cables. The other, Khaled el-Masri, a German of Kuwaiti origin, was seized in Macedonia and taken to Afghanistan, where he has said he was beaten and injected with drugs before being released in Albania.

The United States never made public any evidence linking either man to terrorism, and both cases are widely viewed as mistakes. Mr. Arar’s lawsuit was dismissed in February on separate but similar grounds from the secrets privilege, a decision he is appealing. A federal judge in Virginia dismissed Mr. Masri’s lawsuit on May 18, accepting the government’s secrets claim.

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Joseph Heller, Catch 22:

“That’s some catch, that Catch-22,” he observed.

“It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka replied.




Security issue kills domestic spying inquiry
NSA won't grant Justice Department lawyers required security clearance

WASHINGTON - The government has abruptly ended an inquiry into the warrantless eavesdropping program because the National Security Agency refused to grant Justice Department lawyers the necessary security clearance to probe the matter.

The inquiry headed by the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility, or OPR, sent a fax to Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-N.Y., on Wednesday saying they were closing their inquiry because without clearance their lawyers cannot examine Justice lawyers' role in the program.

"We have been unable to make any meaningful progress in our investigation because OPR has been denied security clearances for access to information about the NSA program," OPR counsel H. Marshall Jarrett wrote to Hinchey. Hinchey's office shared the letter with The Associated Press.

... "Without these clearances, we cannot investigate this matter and therefore have closed our investigation," wrote Jarrett
<font color="blue">Amazing!!
</font color> This is insanity. A direct asault against freedom and another step towards dictatorship.
The plans have been laid. Combine widespread election fraud, the NSA tapping/data mining of Dems,journalist etc, a massive misleading propaganda machine and the ability to commit crimes and then hide behind Catch22/Nat Sec.
The stage is set for the Reps to get back in and then the $h*t will really hit the fan.
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Q

Also.

Senators won't grill phone companies


"A last-minute deal Tuesday with Vice President Cheney averted a possible confrontation between the Senate Judiciary Committee and U.S. telephone companies about the National Security Agency's database of customer calling records.

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Fran Crimi
06-17-2006, 06:45 AM
You back on that again?

Hey, I've got an idea...how about you research how much information was gathered when Zarkowi was killed. Wasn't there a laptop loaded with Al Quaeda information? I believe there were also loads of documents all around with important strategic planning. Maybe you could look that up and let us all know of the significance of that.

Fran

Qtec
06-18-2006, 06:41 AM
Fran , you mised the humour.

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"We have been unable to make any meaningful progress in our investigation because OPR has been denied security clearances for access to information about the NSA program," <hr /></blockquote>

Catch 22 stipulates that even if they had been security cleared , they would never have been able to reveal their finding because of Nat Sec!! LOL

[ QUOTE ]
“They don’t have to show us Catch-22,” the old woman answered. “The law says they don’t have to.”

“What law says they don’t have to?”

“Catch-22.”

“That’s some catch, that Catch-22,” he observed.

“It’s the best there is,” <hr /></blockquote>

Q... Catch 22 is my alltime favourite book, that's probably why the article appealed to me.
I also liked Catcher in the Rye. Need to read it again, this time in Dutch. Yikes.

Fran Crimi
06-18-2006, 10:08 AM
Yeah, I got, It Q....Har dee har har...whoop dee doo...


The only catch 22 going on around here is in your eyes, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Har dee har har.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fran

Gayle in MD
06-18-2006, 10:24 AM
Hi Q.,

When it comes to Bush, and the Republicans, investigation is synonymous with cover up ...

There hasn't been a single authentic investigation into the illegal activities of this administration since they started their election fraud in 2000.

Gayle in Md.