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Gayle in MD
07-11-2006, 05:20 AM
Conservatives Without Conscience ... John Dean's new book, and will hit the bookstores on tuesday. Sounds like this will be the most complete accounting of the Neo-conservative attack on America to date, and will include some insight into the mentality of the die hard Bush supporters, and the manipulations used to exploit their fear, their hatred of liberals. and their religious leanings to the detriment of our country. If you can't understand how there is anyone left in America who is still supporting George Bush, and why they refuse to see through his manipulations, incompetence and deciet, this book will give you the historical lead up to how the neocons plotted their course, and managed to keep their followers confused and saluting the furor.

Gayle in Md.

moblsv
07-11-2006, 06:17 AM
Who has enough time to keep up with all of the Republicans dirty, unethical, tactics? Thanks, I will add this to the list.

Thanks for the suggestion on "American Theocracy". That was a very well researched and informative book.

pooltchr
07-11-2006, 10:26 AM
When are you all going to figure it out? If a Liberal like John Dean writes a book, it's going to tell you all the bad stuff about the conservatives. If a conservative writes a book, it's going to tell you all the bad stuff about the Liberals. You choose to read what is written by liberals, and think it's all the truth, so you think conservatives are all messed up. If you read something other than those things that you know up front are going to have a liberal bias, you might become slightly more enlightened.

If all you watch on tv is Larry King, you will start to think like Larry King.

If all you listen to is Rush, you will start to think like him.

I know it's hard, but you really need to consider some alternative viewpoints, rather than picking and choosing what you expect will support what you already believe.
That my friends is how you gain knowledge.

I'm sure this post will be a waste of time for some who have already made up their minds and don't want to be confused by being challenged to actually think about their positions....but what the heck. Consider it a public service from a conservative!
Steve

moblsv
07-11-2006, 04:00 PM
That would be true if all you read was the extremes. Right now the right is so extreme that anything of reason, left, moderate or right-leaning, will have a natural anti-Bush bias.

I think the more educated a person becomes the more they see the flaws in both left and right extreme positions and by extension, the current incarnation of the Republican Party.

pooltchr
07-11-2006, 05:46 PM
I can't agree that the right is more extreme. In fact, I believe that the "right wing" republican party has moved farther to the left in the past few years. This may be part of the reason GW's approval ratings are where they are. True conservatives have a hard time buying into republicans who spend tax money like democrats. And the recent Senate vote on immigration tells me that many in the Republican party are out of touch with the general public, and specifically with the conservative base who put them in office. I think there are going to be several unemployed politicians of both parties after the next election. It's not just GW's numbers that are down...it's also Congress as a whole. People are getting sick of "politics as usual". I certainly hope they send a message at the voting booth.
Steve

Qtec
07-12-2006, 12:28 AM
Politics 'as usual'? I dont think so. IMO the GOPs have brought corruption to a new level. Anyone with cash can bribe Lawmakers working thru lobbyists. To an outsider like me, it looks like legal corruption.

Lobbyists.

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July 10, 2006, 4:11 pm
Lobbying Dollars
Despite the wave of lobbying scandals, the money keeps rolling in to try influence the legislative and executive branches.

PoliticalMoneyLine.com reports that federal lobbying totaled $1.2 billion in the last half of 2005, the first time such expenses have exceeded $200 million a month. For the full year, federal lobbying topped $2.36 billion, according to the Internet tracking service



$2 Million Payment to Former Lobbyist Raises Eyebrows

By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Monday, July 10, 2006; D01



You've probably never heard of Jeffrey S. Shockey. So, for simplicity's sake, think of him as the Two Million Dollar Man.

The 40-year-old congressional staffer last year collected nearly $2 million in severance payments from his former employer, a lobbying firm that specializes in winning benefits from the committee he now serves. Many longtime Washingtonians are shaking their heads in disbelief over the payout's enormous size, its ad hoc method of calculation and the fact that Shockey received it while working as a senior congressional aide.

No wonder Americans hate the nation's capital. Federal employees are prohibited from supplementing their incomes with money from private sources, especially from lobbyists who have business before the government. Shockey says his payment was justified and within the rules. But experienced lobbyists around town question both its economics and its propriety.

The situation is an example of a common occurrence -- the spinning of the "revolving door" between the public and private sectors. Shockey is deputy chief of staff of the powerful House Appropriations Committee. Before that he was a partner for five years in a lobbying firm that made its living extracting goodies from the same committee. And before that he worked for Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.), who was then a member of the committee and is now its chairman.
Along the way, Shockey made millions. As a lobbyist in 2004 he earned $2 million, which is double what the city's top lobbyists were said to earn just a few years ago. Shockey, in fact, was on track to make $3 million in 2005, the year he returned to government as the No. 2 staffer for the Appropriations Committee. <font color="blue"> !!! </font color> <hr /></blockquote>


Crooked Reps.


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June 23, 2006

Rocklin Republican Rep. John Doolittle's wife was paid $66,690 by Jack Abramoff's firm for event planning work, according to a report by a Senate committee Thursday.

Julie Doolittle's work for the disgraced lobbyist has been known since she was subpoenaed for records two years ago in connection with the Abramoff investigation. The Senate Indian Affairs Committee report on Abramoff's defrauding of Indian tribes was the first accounting of how much her firm made.

Abramoff is cooperating with the ongoing federal corruption probe in which John Doolittle's name has surfaced. John Doolittle accepted campaign donations from the lobbyist and his clients and interceded on behalf of tribes Abramoff represented. He has denied wrongdoing.
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Abramoff's Payments to Rep's Wife Coincided with Favors
By Paul Kiel - July 3, 2006, 12:35 PM
One of our favorite aspects of the Jack Abramoff investigation is "the Wives Club," as investigators call them -- the klatsch of wives who picked up checks for their powerful lobbyist and lawmaker husbands so they never appeared to be holding the bag.

Julie Doolittle, whose husband Rep. John Doolittle (R-CA) was a go-to lawmaker for Abramoff, was a member of the club.

Among other plum positions, Julie was on Abramoff's payroll for almost two years, netting $67,000. Ever since this was made public, the Doolittles and her lawyer have been telling everyone that she'd worked mainly on organizing a fundraiser for Abramoff's charity, the Capital Athletic Foundation (which was ultimately cancelled).

But as reported by Paul Kane in today's Roll Call (subs. req.), the bulk of Julie Doolittle's fees came after the fundraiser. And guess what? The timing of those payments just happen to coincide with John Doolittle (avowedly anti-gambling) providing a couple favors for Abramoff's tribal clients. It's the starkest evidence yet of a quid pro quo between Abramoff and Doolittle.

The more facts that come out, the more it looks like the Doolittles are going to have to fight felony charges. Former DeLay aide Tony Rudy has already pled guilty to accepting a bribe through one member of the Wives Club, his wife Lisa <hr /></blockquote>


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Doolittles: A Cut Above
By Paul Kiel - July 11, 2006, 4:15 PM
The Washington Post officially set its sights on Rep. John Doolittle (R-CA) today.

Much of the article recaps the work of other reporters, but they did confirm one new -- and telling -- detail.

We knew that Doolittle's wife Julie got a 15 percent cut on every contribution she allegedly raised for her husband's committee. What we didn't know -- but the Post found out -- is that, according to the PAC, Julie is responsible for raising every dollar they've taken in over the past couple years. The paper analyzed the PAC's financial records, and found that Julie's commission payments totaled just about exactly 15 percent of the total take.

The Doolittles have pocketed $69,896 in this election cycle, "exactly 15 percent of the $465,973 raised." This despite the fact that the committee has had two other fundraisers on the payroll. Doolittle's people, as always, argue that she's earned every penny. It's not clear what those other fundraisers, one of them a Doolittle staffer, were doing for the money when she was working so hard.

The Post also details how the Doolittles, who are quite adept at taking full advantage of the congressman's office, use the committee as a goodie slush fund. That's slippery, but it's not why Doolittle has hired a criminal defense lawyer. <hr /></blockquote>

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pooltchr
07-12-2006, 04:18 AM
Q,
The examples you site are nothing new. This kind of thing has gone on for years with both parties. The difference is that there are far more outlets for information today than ever before. We are more aware of it because it is everywhere. Look at the size of the white house press corps. It is no longer just 3 networks, 2 wire services and the major newspapers. Add all the cable news networks, and look at the number of internet sites and blogs where everything you might want (or not want) to know is available.
Washington has operated the same way for years. We just get more details today.
It is politics as usual.
Steve

Qtec
07-12-2006, 04:54 AM
Sure, there's always been corruption and there always will be, but this is corruption on a grand scale .
Whats worrying is that the GOP now see this as standard practice. These good 'Chistians' see no problem in distorting the vote or falsifying election results, making themselves rich by selling out the American citizen, because its all for the 'cause'!
"The ends justify the means!"

Its so hypocritical.

How can you condem B Clinton over an affair and still justify a corrupt GOP? If you say 'they are all at it', then you condon what they are doing.

Q

eg8r
07-12-2006, 05:09 AM
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Sure, there's always been corruption and there always will be, but this is corruption on a grand scale <hr /></blockquote> The only thing on a grand scale are the media outlets. What is happening now is nothing new, it is just easier to get the information these days.

eg8r

Qtec
07-12-2006, 05:11 AM
Actually Doolittle's scam is something new!

If GW's wife was taking 15% of all contributions to GW's election campaign over the last 10 years, she would be a wealthy woman!
Q

Sid_Vicious
07-12-2006, 05:58 AM
Superior reply Q. It isn't like it's not been said in several various way, but Bill C. was a saint compared to the real crimes of this bunch. Yea some Christian value system huh...sid

pooltchr
07-12-2006, 06:24 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> How can you condem B Clinton over an affair and still justify a corrupt GOP? If you say 'they are all at it', then you condon what they are doing.

Q <hr /></blockquote>

I don't justify corruption by either party. I support or condem different political philosophies, but not corruption of any of them.
Steve

Gayle in MD
07-12-2006, 06:47 AM
You are very welcome. Although the value of education will surely be lost on the goose-stepping Bush defenders, and we'll have to listen, in the midst of the most corrupt administration in our history, to such sweeping defensive statements as ... "Both parties are corrupt, so what else is new, all presidents do it," and blah blah blah, those of us who take the time to read the law, and compare that to the illegal, unconstitutional actions of George Bush, and his unprecedented overwhelming refusal to abide by our laws, and our Constitution, will not be impressed by such ignorant statements.

Add to that, the realities which we can see, undeniable realities, such as his incompetence and poor decision making, the results of the spending spree of the Republicans, the further destruction of our educational system, the failure of the republican majority to sucessfully address and solve ANY of the problems we face today as a society, from social security, to health care, energy crises, illegal aliens, our raging trade deficits, you name it, they have failed. Add to that the Civil War that our people are dying in the midst of everyday, for the benefit of people who hate us, and the wealthy republican base which profits daily from it, one is hard pressed to come up with ANY administration in history which was as disasterous as this one. Some of us have eyes, ears, and a brain!

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
07-13-2006, 06:16 AM
Ha ha ha, yeah, Q, didn't you know, none of these news opportunities were around when Clinton was in office! /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif The GOP isn't really corrupt, there's just more reporting available these days~! Not to mention, all these nasty well documented books!/ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Gayle in Md.

Qtec
07-13-2006, 06:49 AM
jon stewart interview (http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/13/john-dean-on-the-daily-show-2/)
Q

Qtec
07-13-2006, 07:23 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
Sure, there's always been corruption and there always will be, but this is corruption on a grand scale <hr /></blockquote> The only thing on a grand scale are the media outlets. What is happening now is nothing new, it is just easier to get the information these days.[ my bold. Q]

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

Actually it is and it isn't!
Most people get there info/news from the TV. When the news is distorted and manipulated by the Govt ,it creates false impressions and propogates lies. This Admin has taken this concept [ news manipulation] to new hieghts.
The GOPs loved Murtha because he was a Dem who was storng on Defense. Only after he questioned the Govts strategy on Iraq[ if they have one! Q] did he become a target[ just like Wilson] and his war record was questioned. If you actually READ the article it documents precisley how snowball effect of the rightwing media machine. READ IT.

Example- How to obscure damaging info from the public gaze.

On the same day that an FBI agent gave testimony in DC about the incompetence in the case of the 20th? highjacker Massoui [sp?] Armitage gave a press conference- from Russia via satelite [ sp?]- announcing the capture of Padillia, the Dirty bomber! Thats what dominated the airwaves that day and for days to come.
The story of how the 9/11 attack COULD have been prevented was lost.
Padlillia has never been charged for having or trying to obtain, a Dirty bomb!!!! In fact, a Judge has just instructed the prosecution in his case[ the state] to actually say what crime he has comitted and show some kind of evidence!
The truth is they made the story up to divert attention from something that was damaging to them. ie THE TRUTH.
It was total BS! They made it up and used Fox etc to do the rest!

Only if you have an internet connection do you have access to the truth, but even then you have to be prepared to search for it thru all the RNC propoganda.

Q

Gayle in MD
07-13-2006, 07:46 AM
Ha ha ha ha...John Dean is not a liberal. He's a conservative. If you read some books occasionally, you'd know that.

Gayle in Md.

DickLeonard
07-13-2006, 09:22 AM
Gayle Pooltchr thought you meant Jimmy Dean not John Dean. Everyone makes mistakes on this Board some of us forgive and others hold us to a higher power.####

pooltchr
07-13-2006, 09:48 AM
If you pay attention, you would realise that not every republican is a conservative...way too many in washington are actually liberal...they are called RINO or Republican In Name Only!

wolfdancer
07-13-2006, 10:05 AM
Dick, wouldn't "conscientious conservative"...be an oxymoron?
....or some kind of moron?

wolfdancer
07-13-2006, 10:24 AM
Gayle, this is off topic....but I'm reading the unauthorized bio of George the first.....and if you are wondering where our
GWB got his rapier like wits/thinking/reactions......here's the answer:

High Military Honors Conferred on Capt. Bush

For Notable Gallantry, When Leading Allied Commanders Were Endangered, Local Man is Awarded French, English and U.S. Crosses.

International Honors, perhaps unprecedented in the life of an American soldier, have been conferred upon Captain Prescott Sheldon Bush, son of Mr. and Mrs. S.P. Bush of Columbus.

Upon young Bush ... were conferred: Cross of the Legion of Honor, ... Victoria Cross, ... Distinguished Service Cross....

Conferring of the three decorations upon one man at one time implies recognition of a deed of rare valor and probably of great military importance as well.

From word which has reached Columbus during the last few days, it appears as if the achievement of Captain Bush well measures up to these requirements.

The incident occurred on the western front about the time the Germans were launching their great offensive of July 15.... The history of the remarkable victory scored later by the allies might have been written in another vein, but for the heroic and quick action of Captain Bush.

The ... three allied leaders, Gen. [Ferdinand] Foch, Sir Douglas Haig and Gen. [John J.] Pershing ... were making an inspection of American positions. Gen. Pershing had sent for Captain Bush to guide them about one sector.... Suddenly Captain Bush noticed a shell coming directly for them. He shouted a warning, suddenly drew his bolo knife, stuck it up as he would a ball bat, and parried the blow, causing the shell to glance off to the right....

Within 24 hours young Bush was notified ... [that] the three allied commanders had recommended him for practically the highest honors within their gift.... Captain Bush is 23 years old, a graduate of Yale in the class of 1917. He was one of Yale's best- known athletes ... was leader of the glee club ... and in his senior year was elected to the famous Skull and Bones Society....

I don't want to tarnish such a gallent deed.....but for a lesser, an ordinary man to have done this....the enemy would have had to throw the shell, underhanded.
Later on in life, our hero is said to have been "Hitler's Banker"
It's also interesting to read about the private fortunes that are made from war...

Gayle in MD
07-14-2006, 02:40 AM
If I paid attention? AH HA HA HA...I wish you could see my library! Mr. Dean calls himself a conservative. But, I'm sure, in your overwhelming knowledge, you know far more than he does about what he is! He is one of the meny conservatives who have parted company with George Bush. The only ones left in his base, are the evangelical types who seek to dictate through their religious doctrines to the rest of us, hence, Bush makes sure he gives them their anti-abortion SC judges, blocks stem cell research, blocks gay marriage, etc. Everything else he does is designed to aid the Saudi's, the bin Laden's, and other oil dynasties, and the Corporate fascist billionaires in this country. Hence, when 9/11 happened, the Saudis and bin Ladens were flown out by Bush, eventho the perpetrators were Saudi's, led by bin Laden. The Bush family has become filthy rich, through their ties to Arab money. What would you be saying if Bill Clinton had given no bid contracts to Gore's former company, in which they had both held huge shares? The woman in the defense department who originally pointed out the huge overcharges by Halliburton, was fired! The administration is not only corrupt, their fascists. I cna't believe there were people in this country dumb enough to put in the White House a man whose family has had deep ties to Arab oil/money for generations!

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
07-14-2006, 02:42 AM
Uh, that's realize, r-e-a-l-i-z-e.

pooltchr
07-14-2006, 02:52 AM
In one paragraph you managed to make one personal slam at me, then touch on
Evangelical christians
abortion
stem cell research
gay rights
the Saudi's
OBL
the Oil industry
Big business in general
Halliburton in particular.

And you wonder why you get accused of ranting on the forum?

Are you capable of making a point, or do you just run down your list of spin points and see how many you can include in every post you make?

Steve

Gayle in MD
07-14-2006, 02:55 AM
Jimmy Dean, BWA ha ha ha...you're probably right!

I was taught that it is rude to correct the grammar and spelling of others, but after spending some time looking through the archives, may I say, the correction freaks on here, are among the worst spellers on the board, hence, I will find and post one of their own mis-spellings each time they pull this childish tactic on any of the resident, genius, liberals present! I also notice we have one VERY childish poster, who would win the award for hypocracy through his constant references to others as childish over and over again! I know you know the one I mean, he's the one who posts ONLY to argue about absolutely everything, with absolutely everyone, for absolutely no good reason! Funny, how many very small minded people there are among the Bush supporters!

Love,
Gayle

Gayle in MD
07-14-2006, 03:07 AM
What kind of dufus keeps on reading and then complaining about what they read, and then reading more, complaining more, reading more, complaining more....

The definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result...

Steve writes...
In one paragraph you managed to make one personal slam at me, then touch on
Evangelical christians
abortion
stem cell research
gay rights
the Saudi's
OBL
the Oil industry
Big business in general
Halliburton in particular.

I know, I'm just amazing, aren't I? So much information, so little time!

Do you ever address any substantive, factual information, or, like Ed, are you only here for the purpose of criticism and insults. Being a Bush supporter, is it any wonder that you think you can dictate what others may write?

AGAIN! Why not stop reading my posts? If you just can't resist, why not take responsibility for what you read?

Gayle in Md. Jeeze, they can't deny, or address the ugly facts, there's nothing left for them but grammar issues. Small minds think alike!

eg8r
07-14-2006, 03:39 AM
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Uh, that's realize, r-e-a-l-i-z-e. <hr /></blockquote> Look at Gayle getting her panties in a knot over spelling. This is coming from the woman who brags about going to Walter Reed hospital all the time yet she could not spell the name correctly, and this happened more than once. LOL

eg8r

eg8r
07-14-2006, 03:45 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle:</font><hr> What kind of dufus keeps on reading and then complaining about what they read, and then reading more, complaining more, reading more, complaining more.... <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle making sure we all know she just called herself a dufus:</font><hr> Do you ever address any substantive, factual information, or, like Ed, are you only here for the purpose of criticism and insults. <hr /></blockquote> <hr /></blockquote> We all know you keep reading my posts, and if you were not Ann Coulters spitting image maybe the posts would be different. Since you wanna be like Coulter so much, I thought a little constructive criticism is what you wanted. If you don't like it quit reading. However, we all know you can't help yourself. So, go on knocking others for continuing to read your crap (similar to watching a train wreck) and complain because just like you called it, you are a dufus for continuing to do the same yourself. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

eg8r
07-14-2006, 03:52 AM
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I was taught that it is rude to correct the grammar and spelling of others, but after spending some time looking through the archives, may I say, the correction freaks on here, are maong the worst spellers on the board, hence, I will find and post one of their own mis-spellings each time they pull this childish tactic on any of the resident, genius, liberals present! <hr /></blockquote> Way to go genius, you post a ridiculous diatribe about your actions being rude (and you childishly find that as acceptable), and then you do the one thing you are looking out for in other posts. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif You crack me up.

Look through all my posts, I am positive there are some words spelled incorrectly and I don't mind the mistakes being pointed out. The goal is to strive to spell better, not sit around crying like a little baby when someone finds your mistakes, and then resort to the childish act of "getting them back". It is time you grow up and act like an adult.

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I also notice we have one VERY childish poster, who would definately win the award for hypocracy through his constant references to others as childish over and over again! I know you know the one I mean, <hr /></blockquote> Ahh, we all know my puppy dog still follows me around and reads everything I post.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-14-2006, 04:18 AM
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Gayle in MD
07-14-2006, 04:48 AM
Jack,
You're right, I've read about how much money the Bush dynasty has made on wars, and through connections with fascists, that was their base, and still is, hence, Stay The Course. Cheney and Bush have trippled their wealth since we went into Iraq.

The unseen war, is the war that Republicans have launched between the rich, and the poor, led by wealthy conservatives, behind the scenes. It's a crime that our troops are dying to make the rich, richer. Hence, we never could see the connection between 9/11, and occupying Iraq, there was no connection. Bush continues to call it a war on terror. It is a war on an organized religion, Islam. We should be fighting Islamist Radicals all over the world, not an Iraqi civil war. I see no hope for Iraq, and as long as Bush is running things, no hope for our troops, who don't deserve to be in the middle of an impossible situation. The results of Bush's policies were predicted, and he was warned, and we now see, the Middle East in extreme kaos, just as he was told in advance.

Their policy of denial, cannot last much longer. Their descriptions of progress, are disgusting lies. It is Vietnam, all over again, only worse. It is much more dangerous than Vietnam was due to the nuclear issue, and the religious radical element.

Gayle in Md.

pooltchr
07-14-2006, 11:31 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> after spending some time looking through the archives, may I say, the correction freaks on here, are among the worst spellers on the board, hence, I will find and post one of their own mis-spellings each time they pull this childish tactic Love,
Gayle

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That sounds like a very intelligent use of your time....go for it!

pooltchr
07-14-2006, 11:34 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Do you ever address any substantive, factual information, <hr /></blockquote>

I was going to ask you the same question...but I think I've read enough of your rambling posts to know the answer already.

eg8r
07-14-2006, 11:52 AM
Hey Steve, not sure if you noticed, but Gayle whom does not read any of my posts, when back and corrected her spelling of "among". /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif Pretty funny if you ask me.

eg8r