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Qtec
08-18-2006, 05:07 AM
Its amazing. Media pundits, tv lawyers and the media in general have cast suspicion on the parents based on NO evidence at all.
Now we have a pedo [ on the run] , captured/working in Thailand [with kids] who makes a confession on TV and the media responds by expressing doubt about whether he is the real killer. /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I think a lot of Ramsey critics will have to eat their words.
What do you think?
Q

eg8r
08-18-2006, 05:40 AM
I really don't think we will ever know who did it.

eg8r

Deeman3
08-18-2006, 05:53 AM
I don't know if this guy was the culprit either as there is evidence, his ex, saying he was nowhere near Colorado on Christmas 1996. He may just be a nuts case. I hope he is the one but we will have to wait and see. I, too, thought everyone was quick to judge the Ramseys. Imagine whjat those poor people have been through plus the accusations they have had surrounding them for ten years. In the end, it is just tragic that someone would do something like this to a young person.

Whatever happend, this guy at least appears to be a sicko...

DeeMan

Qtec
08-18-2006, 06:05 AM
You sound like one of the people who think that the Ramseys are responsible!

Q

Qtec
08-18-2006, 06:07 AM
There are multiple cases where an accussed guy can produce mutiple witnesses as an alibi, but they still get convicted. Tula is a notable case.
It also turns out that he got fired a week before the murder.

Q

SnakebyteXX
08-18-2006, 06:27 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> Its amazing. Media pundits, tv lawyers and the media in general have cast suspicion on the parents based on NO evidence at all.
Now we have a pedo [ on the run] , captured/working in Thailand [with kids] who makes a confession on TV and the media responds by expressing doubt about whether he is the real killer. /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

<font color="blue">Not exactly. Most of the media picked up the confession story and ran with it as if it were the real deal. Never mind that the guys ex-wife claimed he was with her in another State at the time of the murder. Never mind that he claims to have picked her up from school when in fact her school was closed for the holidays at the time of her death. Never mind that he claims to have drugged her and had sex with her before he killed her and the forensics tests showed ZERO drugs in her system at the time of her death. Never mind that the confessor claims that her death was an 'accident' while coroners reports show that her head was practically bashed in and that she was strangled to death with a garrote.

Get a grip. The man who confessed was being held in a miserable hell hole jail in Thailand facing pedophile charges that might well have kept him there for another decade or three. He's obsessed with having sex with kids and he has proven in the past to be obsessed with the child murders of JonBennet and Polly Klass.

The greater likelihood here is that he's hatched a plan to use the publicity garnered by a confession to a notorious case like the killing of JonBennet to get himself out of his miserable circumstances in Thailand - if only temporarily.

What remains consistent about this whole deal media wise is that just as they jumped to conclusions regarding the role of JonBennet's parents in her killing the media (in general) could give a flying phuck about the facts. What they WANT is to sell soap just like they always do (advertising dollars) and they sell the most soap when they get the most attention from the public (their audience) and they get the most attention from the public by being sensational and telling the public what it sub-consciously wants to hear - regardless of if what they're screaming about has a basis in truth or not.

This whole thing has been an example of tabloid journalism in all its naked glory.

Snake
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I think a lot of Ramsey critics will have to eat their words.
What do you think?
Q <hr /></blockquote> <font color="blue"> </font color>

Deeman3
08-18-2006, 06:52 AM
I agree completely. Last night Oreilly was complaining about all the hyped coverage of the story and, yes, he spent almost the entire show on it! They are all dogs....

DeeMan

wolfdancer
08-18-2006, 07:08 AM
R, I can't believe that this guy did it....he's a pedophile, not a murderer. Nothing in his story fits the facts. From an MSNBC story last night....I'd guess the guy that did kill her is dead, may have been murdered, although it was ruled a suicide.
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wolfdancer
08-18-2006, 07:20 AM
You watch O'Reilly ?
Strike one !!

Deeman3
08-18-2006, 07:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> You watch O'Reilly ?
Strike one !! <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> Yes, I watch the NBC News to get the partial left slant, listen to NPR for the Communist Party view /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gifand O'reilly to get the middle spin. I don't even watch Hannity and Colmbs anymore, too much bickering....</font color>

Thanks goodness strikes don't count in this league....

DeeMan

SnakebyteXX
08-18-2006, 08:11 AM
One of my closest friends makes his living doing criminal background checks for prospective employers. Among other things this entails regular visits to all the courthouses here in the Nor Cal Bay Area. Karr lived here in Sonoma County for a while - was charged here with misdemeanor possession of child pornography and was divorced here.

So yesterday, my pal's phone was ringing off the hook with calls from the major news feeds (ABC, NBC, in New York etc.) all crazed for as much local background detail as they could dig up on Karr. He does have a regular list of daily obligations to perform in order to fullfill his job requirements and when he reminded them of that they began bidding on his services. One hundred dollar offers became three hundred dollar offers and then thousand dollar offers. He said it was hilarious and of course, he made out like a bandit.

Our local Sonoma County Courthouse was also deluged yesterday by camera crews from all the major networks. Here to take pictures of the courthouse where Karr 'failed to show up to face misdemeanor child porn charges' before a bench warrant for his arrest was issued.

Oh, the drama!

On a similar note: A couple of days ago a woman on a trans-Atlantic flight from England got hysterical because of an attack of claustrophobia and got into a confrontation with two other passengers. The pilot diverted the plane to another airport, the media first latched on to it as a possible 'terrorist' action being carried out by several persons on the plane one of whom had a note in their possession from Al Queda and several bottles of suspicious, banned, liquids...

Now, given the recent rivetting reports from England about a quashed Al Queda related terrorist attempt to blow planes from the air over the Atlantic using liquids smuggled on board in innocent looking containers - is it possible that our media people might be guilty of trying to foment hysteria with the true objective of garnering increased audience share?

Folks here of differing political persuasions tend to look askance at the news media that panders to what they perceive to be opposing political views. They dismiss those contrary news outlets as not being credible because they are pandering to a fan base. Has it occurred to anyone here that ALL the media outlets suffer from the same basic lack of credibility inherent in their need to draw and keep audience share - no matter what the cost to the truth as long as they manage to tell their target audience(s) what they either consciously or sub-consciously want to hear?

Snake

Gayle in MD
08-18-2006, 08:14 AM
I'll bake you a cake if you'll watch Lou Dobbs &amp; Chris Mathews for one week! Their shows are about the issues, not their respective party's. Mathews, is even a republican!

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
08-18-2006, 08:52 AM
Don't read into the post any more than need be.

eg8r

eg8r
08-18-2006, 08:53 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Not exactly. Most of the media picked up the confession story and ran with it as if it were the real deal. Never mind that the guys ex-wife claimed he was with her in another State at the time of the murder. Never mind that he claims to have picked her up from school when in fact her school was closed for the holidays at the time of her death. Never mind that he claims to have drugged her and had sex with her before he killed her and the forensics tests showed ZERO drugs in her system at the time of her death. Never mind that the confessor claims that her death was an 'accident' while coroners reports show that her head was practically bashed in and that she was strangled to death with a garrote.
<hr /></blockquote> Maybe Q's reply to me was meant for you. Either way, he usually ignores the facts that don't support his belief.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-18-2006, 09:26 AM
I just hope they get the perp. What the media, and some defence attorney's, who defend these creeps, do to grieving parents, is disgusting.

That attorney, Stephen Feldman, who defended that creep in California who kidnapped little Danielle Van Dam, from her bed, took her away in his motor home, and threw her body out on the side of the road in the desert, ought to be strung up right next to his client, for what he put her parents through. And, he knew that his client was guilty before he started slandering the Van Dams, was working out a plea deal with the D.A. in exchange for the location of the body! You would think the Van Dams could have sued him for what he did to their lives.

I really don't know how those parents, and people like the Ramsey's, get through what they must face in such tragic loss, and have to deal with all the media frenzy of suspicion, too. Much of what happened to the Ramsey's, was the fault of Law enforcement officials, who ran their mouths too much, many of them probably on the take, or impressed with their own measley fifteen minutes of fame. Some people will do anything for a buck. /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Gayle in Md.

Deeman3
08-18-2006, 01:13 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> I'll bake you a cake if you'll watch Lou Dobbs &amp; Chris Mathews for one week! Their shows are about the issues, not their respective party's. Mathews, is even a republican!

<font color="blue"> O.K. DeeMan will sell out for good cake. </font color>
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DeeMan

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Gayle in MD
08-18-2006, 01:39 PM
Whoopie! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif Now, if I could just get Steve to read, "Perfectly Legal" this would be a good month!

Gayle in Md.

Qtec
08-19-2006, 07:09 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> Don't read into the post any more than need be.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

There was a US citizen who was arrested in SA ,tortured for 2 years and brought back to the US. HE was sentened to 30 yrs on the basis of a confession he said he made under duress and recanted in court- but he was a terrorist of course.
Now we have a guy confessing of his own free-will to a horrific murder and the media is skeptical! IMO mostly the same 'journalists' who have demonised the Ramsey's for 10 years.

Why don't you think the murderer will never be found? It sounds to me like you are casting aspertions on the parents.

Q

Gayle in MD
08-19-2006, 08:07 AM
He thinks Bill Clinton did it. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

wolfdancer
08-19-2006, 08:42 AM
Q, this guy probably didn't do it.....but neither did the parents.

SnakebyteXX
08-19-2006, 09:46 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> Q, this guy probably didn't do it.....but neither did the parents. <hr /></blockquote>

The police may have a DNA sample from the crime scene. If this guy's DNA matches that of the sample? It'll be a slam dunk for the prosecution. DNA doesn't lie. They've already swabbed the dude's cheek and I'm sure the results of the test will be known very soon if they aren't already.

As an aside, there may come a day in the not too distant future when the DNA of every man, woman and child in this country becomes a matter of record. Once that happens solving cases that include DNA evidence will become a whole lot easier than ever before.

In this case, the police also have evidence and information from the crime scene that only they and the guy who did the deed would know about. The problem so far is that what little info that Karr has 'confessed' to doesn't seem to conform very well to the publicly available evidence as to what happened. His ex-wife has expressed a strong dislike for the guy and yet she's pretty clear about the fact that he was with her in another State the day that JonBennet was killed. People will for get a lot of things but don't normally forget whether they spent Christmas or the day after with their spouse or not.

So far, it appears that Karr isn't being truthful in his efforts to confess. Is it because he can't be due to the fact that he didn't do it? Or is it because he has a major screw loose and can't tell fact from fiction - even though he is truly guilty?

Time will tell.

Snake

wolfdancer
08-19-2006, 10:00 AM
Isn't it just a little scary....the idea of everyone's DNA on file?
Then the at birth tattoo, or maybe an RFID chip implant?
We might as well vote Republican??

SnakebyteXX
08-19-2006, 10:20 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> Isn't it just a little scary....the idea of everyone's DNA on file?
Then the at birth tattoo, or maybe an RFID chip implant?
We might as well vote Republican?? <hr /></blockquote>

Personally, I think mandatory DNA testing, chip implantation, and GPS tracking of all humans (or its equivalent) are inevitable.

There will be a myriad of sound reasons for it and many of them will be safety related. Parents how would you like to know where your child is at all times? Let's implant a chip into their little bodies and you can track them from your PC. No more kidnapped children. Wouldn't that be cool?

Folks want to avoid any possibility of having your credit ruined by an identity thief? Let us implant this little chip in your arm that can be read by our RFD scanner complete with your personal DNA info and a quick test to confirm that your DNA and the chip info matches. Voila! No more stolen credit cards - no more identity theft.

Rapists, want to commit your cowardly and sordid crimes? Okay, but be absolutely certain that you don't leave any semen behind because IF YOU DO based on your public DNA record your ass will be history in short order.

Now, take that DNA record and chip implant and combine it with already available chip technology (GPS tracking) thatís becoming standard in automobiles. Think it's cool that if you have a breakdown the service people can send help based on knowing exactly where you are? Consider this, insurance companies are moving towards using that same technology to track your ACTUAL driving style - from miles driven to proof positive as to if you were speeding. Good driver discounts will actually be based on good driving - who'd a thunk it?

There's more than one rental car company that has been using this tech to bust customers for abusing their cars (speeding). How about when the day finally arrives that if your car is determined to have broken the speed limit that no traffic cop is required? A computer will simply generate a speeding ticket based on available and irrefutable data that it was you (your arm chip confirms that) and your car (your GPS tracking device confirms that) and mail it to you.

It's a Brave New World we're heading toward. We already have one foot in the door and the other's not too far behind.

Snake &lt;-- hoping that he'll get old and die in time to avoid these inevitable changes.

cushioncrawler
08-19-2006, 05:17 PM
That dna and chip stuff will do more good than harm in most countryz i reckon. But i am surprized to read about all of this who-killed-who stuff -- i thort that we all knew -- i saw an old TV special that said that the police knew who did it. Its similar to the OJ case -- the police know who did this one allso (albeit too late, after charging the wrong guy). Both cases are similar -- the *** did it.

DickLeonard
08-21-2006, 04:47 AM
Wolfdancer I thought O'Rielly!!!! Don't complain about your poolgame, your watching him.####

DickLeonard
08-21-2006, 05:01 AM
Snakebytexx yes just give them ONStar.####

eg8r
08-21-2006, 06:16 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Why don't you think the murderer will never be found? It sounds to me like you are casting aspertions on the parents.
<hr /></blockquote> "What it sounds like to you" means little me. I just don't really care. Don't read any more into the words that were posted. You pick and choose who you want to believe based on your bias or desired outcome. Just because this guy said he did it does not mean he actually did it. If you thought the parents did it, your defense would simply be to show examples of how other people have admitted guilt when they never did the crime. You don't really care about the truth, you just care about your bias.

eg8r

eg8r
08-21-2006, 06:21 AM
[ QUOTE ]
In this case, the police also have evidence and information from the crime scene that only they and the guy who did the deed would know about. <hr /></blockquote> This is merely conjecture. The guy who did the deed could definitely have confided in someone at some point and spilled the beans. It has happened in the past that one person will take the fall for the other. In order for the one person to take the fall they will need to know the information that "only the guy that did the deed" would know. Q is the Queen of Conspiracy theories I am sure he will jump on this soon. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I don't really think the real murderer will ever be known, unless DNA could prove it.

eg8r

eg8r
08-21-2006, 06:21 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Isn't it just a little scary....the idea of everyone's DNA on file?
Then the at birth tattoo, or maybe an RFID chip implant?
We might as well vote Republican?? <hr /></blockquote> You might also want to begin reading Revelations. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r