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Fran Crimi
09-28-2006, 06:06 AM
Up for discussion in NY is whether or not to ban trans fats from restaurants. Yup, you heard it...no more chicken fried in Crisco. Should this law pass?

My opinion is they don't have to go to such drastic measures. This must be health insurance companies lobbying. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif I do think, however, we've been duped long enough in not knowing what ingredients are going into restaurant food. I say, put it on the menu---"This dish contains trans fats and has been determined to be dangerous to your health."

Fran

Deeman3
09-28-2006, 06:44 AM
We should all be thankful there is a big brother willing to protect us from ourselves, Captain Crunch and Colonel Sanders. Now all New Yorkers will be able to share inthe bountiful taste options of their more healthy breathren. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DeeMan

pooltchr
09-28-2006, 08:07 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Deeman3:</font><hr> We should all be thankful there is a big brother willing to protect us from ourselves, Captain Crunch and Colonel Sanders. Now all New Yorkers will be able to share inthe bountiful taste options of their more healthy breathren. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DeeMan

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Bring on the Fat-Back, Fried Chicken, and Biscuits &amp; Gravy! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously, this is another example of government overstepping their bounds. It started with the smoking ban, and is now moving to the food ban. What will be next?

Steve

Fran Crimi
09-28-2006, 08:53 AM
My aunt makes the greatest apple pie in the world. One day I asked her to teach me. When I saw how much Crisco and sugar she put into the pie, I nearly puked.

I have a friend who believe it or not, sells lard for a living. He told me never to eat Entenmann's cakes. The amount of lard that goes into those cakes is astounding.

I think restaurants should tell us if they cook with trans fats. It's already been determined to be a health hazzard. If we want to eat them, that's fine, but we have a right to know if they're being used.

Fran

wolfdancer
09-28-2006, 09:21 AM
How can they ban "doughnuts" and not tobacco?
I think they should just put post a warning for trans-fat foods "this'll kill you"....and for cigarettes "this'll kill both you and others around you"

eg8r
09-28-2006, 11:05 AM
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Up for discussion in NY is whether or not to ban trans fats from restaurants. Yup, you heard it...no more chicken fried in Crisco. Should this law pass?
<hr /></blockquote> Once the people of America start allowing the Government to make every little decision for them there is no stopping it. All the non-smokers just stood up and praised their local governments for forcing smokers outside with their cigarettes. This is just the beginning. Pretty soon they will cut out everything that could be damaging to us and we will all be back to eating grass. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif Well, I guess it could only get that bad if the world does not heat up to a boil first. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

wolfdancer
09-28-2006, 11:31 AM
"All the non-smokers just stood up and praised their local governments for forcing smokers outside with their cigarettes."
You're absolutely right there...it's just too f**k'g bad they didn't do it years ago. Maybe a friend of mine, a life long non-smoker, that has picked up emphysema from second hand smoke....might have not had his life eventually shortened by this avoidable disease.
f***k'g cigarette smoke and the inconsiderate a**holes that endangered the health of everyone around them that was forced to breath in their carcinagenic exhalations...weren't going to go outside on their own....or maybe you'ld prefer that the non-smokers go outside whenever anybody lights up?

Drop1
09-28-2006, 11:46 AM
The idea is to be healthy,and live longer. That is not my life style choice. I can figure out a healthy menu,and I follow a strict diet low in red meats,with chicken,and fish as part of the protein source. I eat steamed vegatables,every mid day,and in the evening after dinner,I have a shot of Hennesy X0,one ounce. But there comes a time,when I hanker for grease,and sugar,and all the good stuff that will blow me off the planet,and I want somewhere to go and eat like a pig heavy on the butter,and I don't want the government picking my life style. I know what is good for me,and whats bad for me,and I think the government just wants to save money on health care,by forcing people to be healthy. I want my right to be unhealthy,if I so choose./ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

eg8r
09-29-2006, 03:02 AM
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... cigarette smoke and the inconsiderate ... that endangered the health of everyone around them that was forced to breath in their carcinagenic exhalations...weren't going to go outside on their own....or maybe you'ld prefer that the non-smokers go outside whenever anybody lights up? <hr /></blockquote> Are unable to say anything intelligent without all the language? My goodness. Anyways, what I prefer is for the Government to play the role it is supposed to play as outlined in the Constitution. I would also prefer people to make intelligent decisions about their life and their future and actually be accountable for them. They don't need the government to do this for them.

I am sorry for your loss, but sadly he made the choice to go where he would be subjected to the smoke. Many many others do the same but the government is not here to save you from your own bad decisions, at some point you need to have a little accountability for yourself and quit looking for the government to spoon feed you.

eg8r &lt;~~~I really am sorry for your loss. Basically this is one of the main reasons I quit going to pool halls.

cushioncrawler
09-29-2006, 06:45 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fran Crimi:</font><hr> .....Up for discussion in NY is whether or not to ban trans fats from restaurants. Yup, you heard it...no more chicken fried in Crisco. Should this law pass? My opinion is they don't have to go to such drastic measures..... <hr /></blockquote>
Hi Fran -- i think that the law will not ban any type of food -- transfats are not found in nature -- they are made in a factory and added to foods -- why are they added, they kill -- the body iz not able to properly metabolize transfats, this manmade molecule tricks the poor old human system, -- i suspekt that there is zero transfats in crisko and lard -- if u see something on a packet etc that sez say 1.2gm of transfats per 100gm, then u know that the correct figure is actually double. Allso to avoid -- sugar, fake-sugar, and burnt fat. There haz been some stuff in the news lately re alcohol causing cancer -- i havnt caught up to this stuff yet -- there might be something in it -- hope not -- but this iz something that definitely would affect restaurants i reckon. madMac.

Barbara
09-30-2006, 06:37 AM
Fran,

New Jersey legislature is looking to ban foie gras because it's cruel to force-feed ducks.

Barbara

Deeman3
09-30-2006, 07:57 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> Fran,

New Jersey legislature is looking to ban foie gras because it's cruel to force-feed ducks.

Barbara <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> Barbara,

Despite the overwealming demand for culinary treats such as foie gras in rural Alabama, we have decided it is indeed cruel and unusual punishment to force feed ducks aside from the fact the peaceful French have done so for centuries. Instead, we are instituting a kinder, gentler approach in starving ducks for ten weeks then serving them in a politically correct made in China duck sauce.

This benevolent move from a population that, just a few years ago, saw gormet as anything hit by a U.S made vehicle of a ton or more, scraped from the pavement and sauteed in it's own fluids. We not longer consume "squirel with the tail on" and have even given up our long pasioned appetite for American Bald Eagle. If we can come this far, so fast, New jersey can at least follow suit. They might also consider being kinder towards govenors who come out of the closet and have to eek by on the sales of their tell all books.

DeeMan
as goes Luverne so goes the world...Wolfdancer</font color>

wolfdancer
09-30-2006, 09:57 AM
While the Alabama gormet may consider pate de foie gras made from a duck to be haute cuisine....in fact any recently missing animal could be the main ingrediant of the delicacy, down there....
The true gourmet however,demands his pate to be made from the livers of geese, with perhaps some trouffles and a hint of pork added. I'm surprised to hear that pate is even served in NY, where the height of fine dining I thought was Nathan's at Coney Island, where the gourmands gather for hot dog eating contests.
I applaud NY for considering the law....I myself have been force-fed for some years now, to the tune of an extra 40 lbs, or more. It's not a pleasant experience, yet somehow I endure. I believe my liver could feed a family of four,and they wouldn't need any table wine...it is pre-packaged.

SPetty
09-30-2006, 06:16 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fran Crimi:</font><hr> I have a friend who believe it or not, sells lard for a living. He told me never to eat Entenmann's cakes. The amount of lard that goes into those cakes is astounding.

I think restaurants should tell us if they cook with trans fats.<hr /></blockquote>I don't think lard has trans fat. I would like to see nutrition information on menus.

SPetty
09-30-2006, 06:22 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr>... he made the choice to go where he would be subjected to the smoke. Many many others do the same but the government is not here to save you from your own bad decisions...

Basically this is one of the main reasons I quit going to pool halls.<hr /></blockquote>This is generally a pool forum - we are here because we like to play pool. In order to play pool with other people who like to play pool, we visit public pool rooms. There is no such thing as a non-smoking pool room within a driving distance from me (and as you know, my "driving distance" is generally greater than most people's). Therefore, if I want to play pool with other pool players, I am subjected to the smoke. It may be a choice, but it's not the choice of "smoke or don't smoke" is the choice of "play pool or don't play pool".

SPetty
09-30-2006, 06:25 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cushioncrawler:</font><hr>I suspect that there is zero transfats in crisco and lard<hr /></blockquote>I think Crisco is full of trans fat while lard has zero.

wolfdancer
09-30-2006, 09:05 PM
ed8r, first off...it ain't my loss,but i did spend time in bars and pool halls, and maybe lucked out.... an aunt and uncle and several friends...all smokers...lost to lung cancer, or emphysema...their choice though was to smoke. Until a few years ago, it was legal to smoke in elevators, bars restaurants,theatres, the work place, etc.....there was no place a non smoker, and many are allergic to smoke, like myself...could go to avoid the deadly smoke.
No smoker was ever going to volunteer to not smoke, in a public place.
It's a moot point though...there are now non-smoking laws
to protect the health for the non smokers...and people with respiratory illnesses...asthmatics
As a life long victim of inconsiderate smokers...i think i'm entitled to use a few expletives.....
I don't know where anyone could have gone to avoid the smoke, before the laws were enacted.....not on a plane, train, or interstate bus, not to a restaurant,bar, or pool hall, not to many job sites....maybe Church, or a hospital???

pooltchr
10-01-2006, 05:29 AM
Wolf,
This didn't start out as a smoking thread...it's about banning certain food types from restaurants. Smoking bans just opened the door to this kind of abuse. Smokers were an easy target. Now they go after food. When that happens, what will be next. Maybe the MADD folks will start trying to ban bars from serving alcohol. I don't know. I just know that every time the government takes a step to limit personal freedom and succeeds, there are going to be more steps to follow.
Nobody is going to argue that smoking is a good thing. Nobody is going to argue that eating trans-fats is good.
Nobody is going to argue that getting drunk is a good thing.
I will argue that government taking away the freedom of choice for personal lifestyles is ALWAYS a bad thing, simply because of the snowball effect. Once they start, they don't stop!
Steve

Fran Crimi
10-01-2006, 07:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SPetty:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fran Crimi:</font><hr> I have a friend who believe it or not, sells lard for a living. He told me never to eat Entenmann's cakes. The amount of lard that goes into those cakes is astounding.

I think restaurants should tell us if they cook with trans fats.<hr /></blockquote>I don't think lard has trans fat. I would like to see nutrition information on menus. <hr /></blockquote>


You're right, SPetty. I was confusing saturated fats with trans fats. Lard is still bad, but it's a saturated fat, not a trans fat.

Trans fats are vegetable and plant oils that have been processed to last longer, and some dairy products. Crisco is an example of a processed vegetable oil.

Fran

Fran Crimi
10-01-2006, 07:47 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> Fran,

New Jersey legislature is looking to ban foie gras because it's cruel to force-feed ducks.


Barbara <hr /></blockquote>

I can see that, actually. If you have to kill something then make it quick rather than an anagonizing death.

I was listening to Bloomberg on the radio on Friday and he was sounding very strong about this law. He's dead set on getting it passed.

I imagine restaurant prices will go up some. That's fine with me. Nothing wrong with cooking at home. I cook with olive oil or canola oil, depending. Neither have trans fats. My mother cooked only with olive oil. I didn't know what butter was, growing up. I'm grateful for that.

Fran

wolfdancer
10-01-2006, 08:26 AM
Steve, we are slowly becoming aware that what we put in our mouth could kill us. I know that double-whopper with extra cheese, and super-sized fries takes one day off my life with each bite...but I'm only harming myself. You brought up the smoking bit....
Smokers not only harm themselves...but anyone around them.
While it burns you that laws were enacted...consider this
Smoking is an addiction, and a powerful one at that....and the two packs a day folks were never going to give up their "rights" to smoke wherever they please. Nicotaine-addicted mothers smoked in the same room their pre-born babies were trying to fully develope their lungs in.
If your beliefs are right...the gov't shouldn't have gotten involved in this spinach/e-coli affair....it'll kill you faster then the trans-fat....but it's something that should have been worked out between the growers and consumers, maybe?
"......insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare"
smoking bans sure help my general welfare, very calming

wolfdancer
10-01-2006, 08:43 AM
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the government is not here to save you from your own bad decisions, at some point you need to have a little accountability for yourself and quit looking for the government to spoon feed you. <hr /></blockquote>
Your reasoning is so warped, so flawed...it's beyond belief
I've had a life-long allergy to cigarette smoke....sorry, but i can't account for that. There never was any public place I could go to escape the smoke...so I never could leave the house without a couple of hankys. Now I haven't had a cold,coughing spell, running nose for a few years....I guess because the gov't spoon-fed me?????????
You think you have made a free choice, not to go to a pool room because of the smoke.....but you are wrong.
Others, the smokers, have forced that choice on you...choose between doing something you might enjoy....or endangering your own health. Save your feigned concern for people you don't know...like my friends....and be more concerned about your friends and family, that might opt to play pool, or have a few drinks in a smoke-filled social setting.

Qtec
10-01-2006, 09:35 AM
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``We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common Defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.''

The commitment to promote the general welfare of all persons, as opposed to protecting the interests of a narrow section or class of the population, encapsulates what is most unique about the United States of America--that it is the only modern nation-state republic founded on this principle.<hr /></blockquote>

Sounds like Democratic Socialism to me.

Q............

Qtec
10-01-2006, 10:01 AM
Good quote W..


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the government is not here to save you from your own bad decisions, at some point you need to have a little accountability for yourself and quit looking for the government to spoon feed you <hr /></blockquote>

Ha! Thats pretty cute from someone who works for a company that relies on handouts from the Govt for its very existance! I never hear him protest about the billions that go to big buisness out of the Federal purse- ie handouts, but he screams blue murder if a Katrina vicim gets a $1,000 too much or if they complain that they are being kicked out onto the street after losing everything!

The only time Ed sees the US as one nation is when there is fighting to be done. At the momment, 1% of the nation is carrying the burden of the whole country.
Now they are offering $20,000 bonus to go to Iraq and be a target.
When DeLay went to St Andrews with the crook Abrahmof, I,m sure he was thinking about the troops the whole time.

Q

wolfdancer
10-01-2006, 10:15 AM
Q, like the Bible, some Christian conservatives pick out just the parts that fit in with their way of thinking.
I really didn't want to get involved in another smoking debate.
Ed believes that because the "gov't is spoon-feeding people" that wanted equal access to public places, without endangering their health in the process...it somehow impinges on the rights of others. He can't go to the poolroom because his state allows smoking ...in this state, smokers are merely asked to step outside, 25 ft away from a door or open window. I never go out anymore without my tape measure, and cell phone.
Ed and Steve think this is a "free choice" issue...but I remember as a kid, the family went every fri to the bar for a fish fry dinner, and every so often to a Pizza restaurant...both smoke-filled. I was too young to have a choice in the matter

wolfdancer
10-01-2006, 10:44 AM
Q, I don't see how a reasonable person could make any connection between smoking regs, and "spoon-fed...bad decisions"
Re your other comments....many people place a high value on their own merits, and feel justified getting whatever comes their way. The also look down on others, and begrudge them everything, even mininum wage. If this is Christianity...it's changed since I took Bible-Study.
The Iraq bonus......what an expensive ploy to avoid a draft, which would lose votes and elections. We now have a mercenary Armed Forces, something we haven't had since the $300 bonus for joining the Union Army to fight the Confederates.
....if you are going over there to fight in an undermanned army, under-trained, without adequate body armor....you should at least get paid for it.
The health care insurers for the Armed forces are denying many claims for the families, by the way. Imagine you are over there not knowing when the next roadside bomb will get you....and having to worry about the operation your wife or kid needs.
And that $20k is "sucker" money....many soldiers are heading back for their fourth tour of duty......while these *****
war hawks here, safe in there own homes, are calling everyone an unpatriotic coward, who wonders what is going on
in Iraq....and will it ever end??????????????????????

pooltchr
10-01-2006, 02:33 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr>
Ed and Steve think this is a "free choice" issue... <hr /></blockquote>

Absolutely! But what you have never seemed to grasp, even though I have repeated it numerous times, is I don't see it as a free choice issue for smokers. I see it as a free choice issue for business owners. If the business says no smoking, the smokers have a choice whether or not to go there. If the government says no smoking anywhere, nobody has any choice.

Let's make this pool related. A pool room owner has the right to say you can not shoot masse' or jump shots in their pool room. It's their business and their right. The government has no right to force a pool room to either allow or disallow them. When you own a business, you should be able to determine what activities are acceptable and which are not. You don't need Uncle Sam to do it for you.
I have no problem with non-smoking pool rooms. I just have a problem with the government forcing business owners to comply.
Steve

cushioncrawler
10-01-2006, 03:54 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fran Crimi:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> ....My mother cooked only with olive oil. I didn't know what butter was, growing up. I'm grateful for that.... <hr /></blockquote>
Fran -- i love butter, az long az it iznt that salt-free krap -- obesity iz a big issue -- when real scientists did real tests on real fat kidz (in the USA) to find a real diet to help looz real wt, which kidz lost wt???? -- it woz the kidz who were on a dairy diet -- fat kidz on a low (or zero) dairy diet lost zero wt. The dairy industry shood be promoting butter az a health food. skeptikMac.

cushioncrawler
10-01-2006, 07:35 PM
Hey, Fran -- the penny just dropped -- i woz wondering why the dairy bizness hadnt gotten onto the "dairy iz ok" bandwagon. The reason iz now obvious to me -- the dairy people have never had it so good.

When i shop at Safeway, i have a hard time finding my favorit milk -- ie the milk with the extra dollop of cream -- if i am lucky, i might find some tucked away in a small corner. But then i havta get throo the throngs of mumz and kidz pulling and pushing to get at the rowz and columnz of low-that, or zero-this, or added-that, or hi-this, or extra-that, types of milk -- uzually referring to fat or calcium or choleresterol or lactose etc.

The dairy people have nothing to gain and everything to looz, if they start telling us what they really know, ie that fat aint so bad. This iz a funny-strange-peculiar set of circumstances -- they actually make more money by remooving fat from milk -- they karnt beleev their luck -- then they probably uze the fat to make extra cheese or something -- they must think that we are all crazy -- i wonder if there iz a similar sort of reverse-psychology or whatever inkreecing the bottom-line in some other sphere -- Hmmmmmmmm.

Funny story -- i woz at the coffee machine, and i reeched past the skinny milk and the extra calcium milk etc and i grabbed the ordinary milk -- the girl behind me said "ah, a guy that drinks real milk" -- her face went a bit red when i answered "no, just cow'z milk". madMac.

cushioncrawler
10-01-2006, 11:55 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cushioncrawler:</font><hr> .....The dairy people have nothing to gain and everything to looz, if they start telling us what they really know, ie that fat aint so bad. This iz a funny-strange-peculiar set of circumstances -- they actually make more money by remooving fat from milk -- they karnt beleev their luck -- then they probably uze the fat to make extra cheese or something -- they must think that we are all crazy -- i wonder if there iz a similar sort of reverse-psychology or whatever inkreecing the bottom-line in some other sphere.... <hr /></blockquote>
Cush -- there iz another sphere -- here iz a clue -- who would stand to gain by keeping it a secret that satan and hell etc are not a health hazard afterall?????? madMac.

TomBrooklyn
10-02-2006, 12:00 AM
If you drink enough alcohol, you don't have to worry about fat. The alcohol cuts right through it. But for those who don't imbibe enough, praise heaven that we have a Government with such wise leaders that will legislate and regulate every aspect of our personal lives.

I think we ought to raise taxes so we can give them and their staffs a well deserved raise and give them a bountiful budget so they can increase their influence over the American people without having to worry about tightening their belts because they want to wage wars on countries that are geographically close to where there might be terrorists.

Can I have an AMEN!

TomBrooklyn
10-02-2006, 12:05 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> I've had a life-long allergy to cigarette smoke. There never was any public place I could go to escape the smoke so I never could leave the house without a couple of hankys.<hr /></blockquote>
You could use a few drinks too to cut through that plegm. It'll clear you right up, restore your health, and strengthen your immune system. And now that the Government in it's infinite wisdom repealed Prohibition, you don't have to go to a smoke filled speakeasy to get your medicine.

Chopstick
10-02-2006, 07:29 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote pooltchr:</font><hr>
Nobody is going to argue that getting drunk is a good thing.
<hr /></blockquote>

I will. I am a proud member of DAMM. Drunks against Mad Mothers. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

eg8r
10-02-2006, 10:15 AM
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Your reasoning is so warped, so flawed...it's beyond belief <hr /></blockquote> And your blinders are wrapped so tight you only see what you want to see.

eg8r

eg8r
10-02-2006, 10:19 AM
You are correct, the handout our government gives us is the ability to train our soldiers so that they are ready to protect our nation. Gosh, and someone like yourself thinks it is a bad thing.

eg8r

eg8r
10-02-2006, 10:20 AM
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Q, I don't see how a reasonable person could make any connection between smoking regs, and "spoon-fed...bad decisions" <hr /></blockquote> Might it be that because you are unreasonable your thought process is clouded? Don't worry, if you are around long enough the government might be there to tuck you in bed and pass out your meds in the morning.

eg8r

eg8r
10-02-2006, 10:21 AM
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As a life long victim of inconsiderate smokers...i think i'm entitled to use a few expletives.....
<hr /></blockquote> Whatever suits your fancy.

eg8r

eg8r
10-02-2006, 10:23 AM
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I just know that every time the government takes a step to limit personal freedom and succeeds, there are going to be more steps to follow.
<hr /></blockquote> This was my whole point, however the fanatics on both sides are unwilling to see this point as clearly as it is. Once you give an inch they will take a mile. It is time for these people to wake up.

eg8r

eg8r
10-02-2006, 10:26 AM
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He can't go to the poolroom because his state allows smoking <hr /></blockquote> Wrong. I choose not to because I do not want to subject myself to that and inadvertantly subject my family (that crap sticks in your clothes, yuck). However, unlike yourself, I have noticed the government is stepping beyond their boundaries.

eg8r

eg8r
10-02-2006, 10:30 AM
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Absolutely! But what you have never seemed to grasp, even though I have repeated it numerous times, is I don't see it as a free choice issue for smokers. I see it as a free choice issue for business owners. <hr /></blockquote> Exactly my argument also. I hate the smell of smoke and I hate the fact that I can get sick from it, so I choose not to be around it (you should have seen Mike Sigels work area where he builds cues it is nasty with cig smoke). However, my argument has nothing to do with smokers or non-smokers, it has to do with Government overstepping its boundaries and taking over the business owners "rights".

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If the government says no smoking anywhere, nobody has any choice.
<hr /></blockquote> Exactly.

eg8r

DickLeonard
10-02-2006, 11:41 AM
Fran the one thing I learned from delivering liquor was if you go thru their back door you will never go thru their front door.####

nAz
10-02-2006, 11:59 AM
http://img.timeinc.net/time/cartoons/20061001/5.jpg

DickLeonard
10-02-2006, 12:08 PM
Eg8r here is NYS reason for smoke free environments They were not going to have any Insurance co. cover the Workmens Compensation where smoking was allowed in the work area. They were having to cover cancer of the lungs for non smokers who got cancer from second hand smoke.

It is as bad as Asbestosto to workers with healthy lungs,smokers had little problems in that environment.####

nAz
10-02-2006, 12:11 PM
#### you know I rather they ban the truck and car fumes that is causing all the asthma and other health problems.

wolfdancer
10-02-2006, 04:11 PM
nAz, that's a great cartoon.....lol

wolfdancer
10-02-2006, 04:14 PM
If you can hold out for a couple of more years....until the global warming raises the sea level, and NYC will be under water....the fumes will no longer be a problem.

pooltchr
10-02-2006, 05:28 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nAz:</font><hr> #### you know I rather they ban the truck and car fumes that is causing all the asthma and other health problems. <hr /></blockquote>

It's already happening. There are groups who would love to see a ban on SUV's! Of course, all the soccer moms would have a fit trying to squeeze 6 kids into a Yugo!
Why don't we get the government to tell us what kind of car we can own, based on family size. And no pick-up trucks unless you own at least 5 acres of farm land. And absolutely no more 8 cylinder engines. We can do fine with 4. Let's get more and more government restrictions in place. People are too stupid to figure it out for themselves. Thank goodness, we have Uncle Sam to protect us from ourselves. /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Steve

Qtec
10-02-2006, 06:07 PM
Dick, it sounds like the insurance companys are running the country! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Qtec
10-02-2006, 06:28 PM
What I am saying is there are a lot of company's who rely on tax payers money to make a profit! That makes them a dependant! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Even after they have defrauded the tax payers many times, they still get that cash injection every year.eg Boeing!
The US is paying 800 million for an anthrax vacine that doesn't even exist yet! Thats what I call charity. LOL

Q

DickLeonard
10-02-2006, 06:49 PM
qtec when you have Insurance co. unwilling to insure the risk then it falls to the state to assume the risk. When they ask the Ins. co. what would it take for you to insure the workers. That is their solution and might I say the only sound one. One Workmens Comp case dealing with cancer of the lung could run between 250 thousand and 500 thousand. Unless the worker waited to long and just died.
The premiums to these Industries would put them out business anyway.####

DickLeonard
10-02-2006, 07:04 PM
Naz our company rented from Ryder Truck. Every once in a while the truck would fail to start after shutting it down. I would call for service and the service dept would say your not suppose to shut down diesels. I told them I am not breathing in that garbage I shut them down every stop.####

DickLeonard
10-02-2006, 07:11 PM
Qtec that is Welfare for the Rich that is an acceptable form of Welfare. It is the Welfare for the poor that is Unaccepttable. The freeloaders.####

eg8r
10-03-2006, 06:23 AM
Pretty interesting.

eg8r

Fran Crimi
10-03-2006, 06:32 AM
Everything like this is insurance-driven. I'm sure even the latest one with the trans fats is somehow insurance-related. The seat belt law was the same thing.

Fran