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Deeman3
10-03-2006, 06:28 AM
What are we coming to? Innocent young girls as targets for sick people bent on some twisted revenge.

You could not pick a more peaceful group to attack. What a waste of humanity. Sadly, we are almost not shocked by this type news anymore. I know there can't be a reason for this type horror but anyone see this type of thing continuing?

What can the schools do aside from making prisons out of the very places the kids are supposed to feel safest.

DeeMan

Fran Crimi
10-03-2006, 06:57 AM
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I know there can't be a reason for this type horror but anyone see this type of thing continuing?
<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, unfortunately, I do. I think that sick crimes like this are always about power. I think this type of crime is very attractive to really sick individuals who have at some point in their lives, felt that they were done a terrible injustice and they were powerless to prevent it. This is their distorted way of trying to make others feel what they once felt. It becomes a sick obsession to 'get even'.

That's what I think, anyway, and now that the seed has been planted, the sickos will draw on each other's moxy to get out there and act out.

Fran

Chopstick
10-03-2006, 07:51 AM
I could be wrong but they are saying that this is a copy cat crime. Last night I heard em talking about the media having that much power to influence people with weak/sick minds.

Now, this is my point. Children were never targeted before in this type of thing by adult psychos. We have had many occurances of these Palestinian, Hamas, whatever representatives, standing up on TV declaring that targeting women and children is perfectly fine.

It is the propagation of these ideas that is causing this. Some people just don't know what a bad idea is. Anything that gets drummed into their heads they will just go out and do.

wolfdancer
10-03-2006, 10:47 AM
The news today has this guy's twisted desires going back some 20 years.

Deeman3
10-03-2006, 11:15 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> The news today has this guy's twisted desires going back some 20 years. <hr /></blockquote> <font color="blue">

I heard that as well but have a hard time connecting a percieved "wrong" done to him by the evilist of Amish with killing little girls that were not even born back then. As you said, he was twisted, but even revenge should have some sort of pathway, unless you are a Muslim Terrorist.

Now, as the left wingers are sure to point out, this was certainly not a case of God not being in the classroom as we have excluded him from the mainstream schools.

DeeMan</font color>

wolfdancer
10-03-2006, 11:36 AM
Dee, you see something political in this???
the news I was referring to is that he admiited to his wife that he had molested girls 20 years ago, and had dreams about it ever since. I didn't know he had any grudge against the Amish...

Deeman3
10-03-2006, 01:49 PM
Wolf,

No, at the time I posted, I had not heard of his claims of earlier molesting of young girls. I don't think this is political at all, just another tragedy and further erosion of our moral fabric, not to be laid at anyone's doorstep in politics or anywhere else. It's just a shame these young people had to have this happen and that things like this go on. I know we all share in the sadness.

DeeMan

Drop1
10-03-2006, 07:12 PM
The sickos have always been out there. It is a sad comment on the human condition that sex and violence are the entertainment staples of movies,and television,and pornography gets more hits than any other subject on the net. In some sence we are all victims,and contributors to what is wrong in our society.

Deeman3
10-04-2006, 05:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> The sickos have always been out there. It is a sad comment on the human condition that sex and violence are the entertainment staples of movies,and television,and pornography gets more hits than any other subject on the net. In some sence we are all victims,and contributors to what is wrong in our society. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> Very True </font color>

hondo
10-04-2006, 05:55 AM
Wow! We can keep God out of the classroom! I didn't
know that! YOUR GOD MUST BE AWFULLY PUNY. MY GOD
could not be kept out of the classroom.
Also, do you really think in a one room Amish school
they didn't pray. One of your lamer posts, Dee.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Deeman3:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> The news today has this guy's twisted desires going back some 20 years. <hr /></blockquote> <font color="blue">

I heard that as well but have a hard time connecting a percieved "wrong" done to him by the evilist of Amish with killing little girls that were not even born back then. As you said, he was twisted, but even revenge should have some sort of pathway, unless you are a Muslim Terrorist.

Now, as the left wingers are sure to point out, this was certainly not a case of God not being in the classroom as we have excluded him from the mainstream schools.

DeeMan</font color> <hr /></blockquote>

wolfdancer
10-04-2006, 09:13 AM
web page (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine)

Deeman3
10-04-2006, 09:55 AM
Hondo,

It may be among my lamest posts but I don't think you read it as I intended it to read or I didn't write it to read properly. We can just leave as a lame post and call it even. I think our points were more alike than your read or I expressed.

DeeMan

hondo
10-04-2006, 09:58 AM
It was nice to read all those responses on that site.
Being on here sometimes I forget that most Americans
don't think like eg, and that there is some hope for
change in America. I live in a small Republican town
in West Virginia and yet most of them would side with
you &amp; me on issues.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> web page (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/03/cbs-columbine) <hr /></blockquote>

hondo
10-04-2006, 10:00 AM
Fair enough, Dee.


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Deeman3:</font><hr> Hondo,

It may be among my lamest posts but I don't think you read it as I intended it to read or I didn't write it to read properly. We can just leave as a lame post and call it even. I think our points were more alike than your read or I expressed.

DeeMan <hr /></blockquote>

Deeman3
10-04-2006, 11:02 AM
I blame the latest school shooting on the individual that did this horrible act. Not on his parents, his former victims, school prayer, loose morals nor the decay of the western world. I don't blame Republicans for the sleezy text messages of a Congressman unless they, in fact, knew the nature and seriousness of the messages, then they should be chased out of office, post haste, and I don't blame Bill Clinton for cheating on Hillary nor beleive it represents any reflection on the democratic party. Clinton should not be blamed for missing Bin Laden and Bush should not be blamed for the atacks on 9/11 but should be accountable for not having the spine to kill every Muslim terrorist who sticks his head out of a hole anywhere we now have troops. The Jews are not responsible for the most of the Muslim world and all of the Persians want them wiped form the dface of the earth. I believe that Lance Armstrong does not take performance enhancing drugs or is just way smarter than the french chemists. I believe the UN is souless, spineless and will never change. I beleive Western Europe has already surrendered to the Muslims so they don't have to bother to do so formally later.

I believe the Alabama Crimson Tide needs to start playing high school teams to be competitive.

DeeMan

wolfdancer
10-04-2006, 11:25 AM
I believe the ghost of "Bear" Bryant shall haunt you until you are hunted down and forced to flee Alabama for castigating the Crimson Tide.
Some of the best college games I ever saw involved Alabama...and I think what made the Bear so great was that he was willingness to change his offense theories.....unlike say, a Woody Hayes. Some great players out of Ala...Broadway Joe, Bambi, and the Snake, to name a few.
Repeat after me:
"Yea Alabama! Drown 'em Tide. Ev'ry bama man's behind you, So hit that stride! Go teach the bulldogs to behave, Send those Yellow Jackets to a watery grave, And if a man starts to weaken, That's his shame! For Bama's pluck and grit have writ her name in Crimson flame. Fight on! Fight on! Fight on! Men! Remember the Rose Bowl, we'll win then. Go! Roll to victory! Hit your stride! You're Dixie's football pride, Crimson Tide! Roll Tide Roll Tide!"

dg-in-centralpa
10-04-2006, 11:27 AM
It is now being reported that the Baptist church from Kansas that protests everything is going to come to the funerals.

DG

Deeman3
10-04-2006, 12:18 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> It is now being reported that the Baptist church from Kansas that protests everything is going to come to the funerals.

DG <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> Great, well perhaps a bunch of black clad bikers can show up and show them the error of thier fundamentalist way. This is enough of a tragedy, why can't they just let these poor people alone.</font color>

DeeMan

Chopstick
10-04-2006, 12:29 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr>
"Yea Alabama! Drown 'em Tide. Ev'ry bama man's behind you, So hit that stride! Go teach the bulldogs to behave, Send those Yellow Jackets to a watery grave, <hr /></blockquote>

It's "bulldawgs" and "yeller jackets".

Ain't yore spell checker workin'

dg-in-centralpa
10-04-2006, 01:08 PM
I hope the bikers show up as well. You and I, more than most others here understand their culture and their ways of life. They are probably the most gentle of people. They don't need this. Although I was angry at them, they were offered plane rides to the different hospitals where the children were taken, but they refused and went by vans. I know they don't believe in modern technology, but this is their children and they were needed by their side. If nothing else but to say "Goodbye" as they died.

DG - jmho

Deeman3
10-04-2006, 01:28 PM
I hear you and understand. I wish i had the character to have my family take such a tragig "hit" then go to the family of the perpetrator and forgive him less than a day latrer. Sadly, I am not able to do that but you have to appreciate their sticking by their beliefs.

DeeMan

DickLeonard
10-04-2006, 06:51 PM
DG we have a problem in this country and it's guns and anyone who thinks different is shortsighhted. I am for the right to bear arms everyone gets a musket, no ouzzi or AK47. The gun makers take pride in how many shots can be fired in a minute, translated into how many corpses can be created one minute.

Every manufacture is liable for the damage his product causes but the Gun Manufacturers. They only kill 50,000 people a year. Every year just like clock work and Christians think there is nothing wrong with the guns. It's not the guns it is the people who use them. They just appeal to more Sick Wackos.

The Red States are in the Gun Lobbies Pocket and yet they're the screaming Christians. I can't see how they can reconcile that thinking with Gods will.####

hondo
10-05-2006, 06:47 AM
You &amp; I usually agree but this topic makes me very
uncomfortable. To me, one of the things that would
prevent a military take-over is the fact that every
good ole boy out there has a gun. Once we start
conceding our personal rights we're going to
eventually lose them all. Do we need uzzis or ak-47s?
No. But even though I hate the fact that the NRA is
the reason Bush won West Virginia, I tend to agree
with them on fighting gun control all the way.


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr> DG we have a problem in this country and it's guns and anyone who thinks different is shortsighhted. I am for the right to bear arms everyone gets a musket, no ouzzi or AK47. The gun makers take pride in how many shots can be fired in a minute, translated into how many corpses can be created one minute.

Every manufacture is liable for the damage his product causes but the Gun Manufacturers. They only kill 50,000 people a year. Every year just like clock work and Christians think there is nothing wrong with the guns. It's not the guns it is the people who use them. They just appeal to more Sick Wackos.

The Red States are in the Gun Lobbies Pocket and yet they're the screaming Christians. I can't see how they can reconcile that thinking with Gods will.#### <hr /></blockquote>

DickLeonard
10-05-2006, 05:41 PM
Hondo a true story a policeman from Troy who covered the beat near Joe Canton's poolroom would stop in his room during the winter months to get warm so we became friends.

He went to New York city and was carrying his pistol. A bank robber came out of a bank with his gun drawn waving it wildy, he drew his gun and shot him dead. Now the police are trying to arrest him for carrying a concealed weapon. He produced his police badge, why was he carrying his weapon. His reply was off duty policemen were to carry their weapons that was his orders.

Then they passed a law that only NYC policemen could carry their weapons in the city.####

TomBrooklyn
10-08-2006, 11:33 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Deeman3:</font><hr> What can the schools do aside from making prisons out of the very places the kids are supposed to feel safest.<hr /></blockquote>
Could arm the teachers, or maybe provide for at least one armed and trained teacher or other adult employee in every school. Probably not much chance of that happening though since the Government doesn't even allow Airline Pilots to be armed.

Many Governments, Federal, State, and Local, while admitting they lack the resources and ability to protect every citizen at every place at all times, and while refusing to accept responsibility for same; seem to have no problem passing laws which prevent or deter honest people from arming and protecting themselves.

Stretch
10-09-2006, 12:36 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote TomBrooklyn:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Deeman3:</font><hr> What can the schools do aside from making prisons out of the very places the kids are supposed to feel safest.<hr /></blockquote>



Could arm the teachers, or maybe provide for at least one armed and trained teacher or other adult employee in every school. Probably not much chance of that happening though since the Government doesn't even allow Airline Pilots to be armed.

Many Governments, Federal, State, and Local, while admitting they lack the resources and ability to protect every citizen at every place at all times, and while refusing to accept responsibility for same; seem to have no problem passing laws which prevent or deter honest people from arming and protecting themselves. [/quote
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Once again, no matter what you do. Arm teachers, metal detectors, card lock doors, servielence these might deter petty crime and what not, but will have 0 effect on a lunatic intent on killing themselves and taking as many people down with them as possible. St.

Deeman3
10-09-2006, 05:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote TomBrooklyn:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Deeman3:</font><hr> What can the schools do aside from making prisons out of the very places the kids are supposed to feel safest.<hr /></blockquote>
Could arm the teachers, or maybe provide for at least one armed and trained teacher or other adult employee in every school. Probably not much chance of that happening though since the Government doesn't even allow Airline Pilots to be armed. <font color="blue"> I have thought of that but with all the crazy teachers, you might be getting more trouble into the schools than out.</font color>

Many Governments, Federal, State, and Local, while admitting they lack the resources and ability to protect every citizen at every place at all times, and while refusing to accept responsibility for same; seem to have no problem passing laws which prevent or deter honest people from arming and protecting themselves. <hr /></blockquote> <font color="blue"> Very true. Thankfully I still live in a state that allows self protection, at least until a more liberal form of government slips south. </font color>

DeeMan