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hondo
10-05-2006, 11:52 AM
that the npr board is starting to rock and roll
again? All modesty aside,I think it's because of
me posting actively again. This board is now more
fun than AZ. Even the pool board is starting to
get a little action. Welcome back, Gayle. Things are
getting hot hot hot.

Deeman3
10-05-2006, 01:06 PM
We all knew if you came back, things would follow suit. Now we can get ready for some over the top junk from both sides. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif Remember "The Sting". I have not seen it since its theatrical debut maybe thirty plus years ago but one exchance between two far left actors, Paul Newman and Robert Redford was. REDFORD "They are not as smart as they think they are!'NEWMAN "Neither are we!"

I think we all take what we discuss much too seriouly. My opinion will, perhaps, never make a more conservative person out of Gayle and she may never convince me that her view is correct. However, the exchange is the beauty of the debate and the freedom we all share is a good thing. Most of us with guns (Yes, AK-47's, M-16's and the like) will use them to defend her right to voice those concerns as much as our own.

I know even if we never agree, we are all Americans, except for that creepy Q, JK; and each have reasons for and justify our position. Am I comfortable with disliking abortion but wanting it not to change under the law as well as being a Christian and still wanting a large segment of the Muslim world to become civil or die? No, I just know there are hundreds of things that make a person what they are and I still enjoy hearing the view of others, no matter the tilt. I wish we didn't have to vilify Bush and Clinton to get our points across. How can both men be saints and devils to two groups in the same country? Why does Rice or Pelosi have to be cast as evil when honest differences are more descriptive than witches or demons?

Rodney King, that great philosopher says, "Why can't we wll just get along? and by the way, stop beating my cocain clogged head!"

Glad most of the demons are back except for SF and a few others.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

DeeMan

DickLeonard
10-05-2006, 05:03 PM
Deeman I can still see the video in my mind. I think
Rodney would have rather Suffered in Silence Than see the Death and Destruction that it caused.

It was a memorable Quote. ####

Deeman3
10-05-2006, 05:22 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr> Deeman I can still see the video in my mind. I think
Rodney would have rather Suffered in Silence Than see the Death and Destruction that it caused. <font color="blue"> Dick,

I can't argue with you on that. He did suffer a horrible beating but later just ended up doing some pretty mean crimes against his own family. </font color>

It was a memorable Quote. #### <hr /></blockquote>

Gayle in MD
10-05-2006, 05:55 PM
Hey Hondo, this place could never make it without you around!

Thanks for the welcome, friend. You know you're one of my heros, all teachers are, well, ah hem, all but the ones who are predators!

Love,
Gayle

Gayle in MD
10-05-2006, 06:58 PM
Good post Deeman,
I agree! I have always said, this is a time when communication and discourse is very important in our country. But, may I ask, isn't it conservative to want to stop this out of control spending? Isn't it conservative to want the government to stay out of our personal lives? Isn't it conservative to want to preserve our privacy? To abide by our laws? Isn't it both conservative, and liberal, to expect our government to tell us the truth, if they send our children to die in a war? I think that most Americans want pretty much the same things from our government.

I hear the right go on about welfare, but, I don't think the left feels any differently than the right, when you get right down to it. I know I'm not for a welfare program that allows those who are perfectly able to work, to sit on their arses, and pop out babies left and right. But I am for helping those who are starving, ill, and need a hand up. I don't think it reasonable to throw out the whole program, only to operate it successfully, and without waste.

I really think the right misunderstands the vast left tremendously, maybe vice versa, too. Most of those who are labeled liberal, are not for unchecked welfare for the lazy. Most don't really think it necessary to stop prayer in schools. I think one of the things in this country that has gone wrong, is that we let the pundits, talking heads, spew out so much anger at the other side, and we keep tuning in for more. We need good journalism, and I'm all for free press, and think it is a very necessary check on what our government is doing, but as Americans, we have allowed these jerks, like O'Reilly, and Hannity, and Limbaugh, with their acrid communication styles, to set the standard for political discourse between all of us, IMO. I'm sure there are some on the left, also, who do this, but there was a time, when people could discuss political issues with some restraint, and class. I certainly don't think peple like Ann Coulter, expand anything positive between the parties. I think these recent pundits have not been good for constructive political discourse, in general.

Well, anyway, the Republicans won't have to communicate during this campaign. No matter what anyone asks them about the issues, they can just say, oh, we can't talk about it, it's still being investigated! LOL...

I still think going into Iraq was a huge mistake, that the administration didn't listen to experts whom they should have heeded, going in, and afterward, right up to this day. I still think they launched this war with deceit, and did so intentionally, and that to do such a thing, is outrageous. Other than the innitial take over in Baghdad, from that time on, incompetence and dishonesty about the facts on the ground, have been their M.O., and I think many many young people's lives have been ruined by Bush and Rumsfeld's stubborn arrogance, incompetence, denial, and general policies. I still think that our circumstances here, and around the world, are more threatening than ever. It seems, sixteen National Security Agencies, think so too, and say we are less safe than before we occupied Iraq, and that it has been a Cause Celebra for the terrorists, increasing their threat, and their numbers. The Bush administration was warned of this very outcome, by many many experts in the field, but they refused to listen. I don't think that Democrats are angels, but I will have to say, I truly have never witnessed such blatant arrogance and incompetence as we have seen in this administration, nor have I ever seen so many American values attacked, laws broken, and accountability lost to a rubber stamp congress. Guess what I'm trying to say is that I stand by my original feelings about Bush, Iraq, the Republican Congress, the tax cuts for the rich, the deficit, and the unwelcomed blurring of our Framer's wishes for Separation Of Church And State.

"The Separation of church and state, must be complete, and perfect, for anything less, threatens both."

James Madison

I'm not against War, when it is for a reasonable purpose, unavoidable, and against the correct enemy. I still believe, now more than ever, that a comprehensive surveillance and infiltration into the terrorist cells, around the world, by all nations, working together, and a policy of containment, in Iraq, with additional pressure from allies among the Arab Nations, would have achieved much more lasting results, in the long run, with much less loss of life. I still think this administration dropped the ball on the pre 9/11 warnings, and that the Republican extreme right wing took the nation's resources, and attention off alQaeda, and put it onto Bill Clinton's private sex life, and opened the door for the horrendous attack on 9/11. And I think that that is precisely the reason why this administration tried to block the investigations into the attack. Yeah, I'm back, same old Gayle, but I am hoping for more reasonable communication.

Gayle in Md. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

FatsRedux
10-05-2006, 07:20 PM
Hello Gayle. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.xenafan.com/seinfeld/newman.jpg

Gayle in MD
10-05-2006, 07:45 PM
Hi... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Wow, kind of creepy pic, don't ya think??

SpiderMan
10-06-2006, 10:34 AM
Are you truly He?

GrassHopper

wolfdancer
10-06-2006, 10:56 AM
Hondo, I was thinking about the Jerry Reed song "When you're hot, you're hot" after reading your post.
It has this stanza in it:
"Well, now every time I rolled them dice I'd win
And I was just gettin' ready to roll 'em again
When I heard somethin' behind me
I turned around and there was a big old cop"
Brought back and old memory.
I was around 22, and on my way back to Boston after a
winning nite at Wonderland Dog Racing Track in nearby Revere.
At the bottom of the footbridge that you crossed over to catch the train...there was a craps game going on. After watching for a few minutes, I got in and was crouched down, shooting the dice...and I got hot...also failed to notice the plain clothes cops that snuck up on the game. I was thirty years younger, and I'd guess a lot faster than anyone else in the game...but they caught only me, and a guy with a bad leg....I spent about 4 hrs in jail, then appeared in court the next day, and pleaded guilty to gambling.
However, turned out the guy with the bad leg, ran the game, and had some prior arrests...he couldn't afford to be convicted...so he had a lawyer, who explained to the court, that it was just a friendly game, etc...and I had probably been confused by the charge....so the Judge asked if I wanted to change my plea, which I did, and was found "not guilty"...and now I don't have to register as a compulsive gambler each time I move.

FatsRedux
10-06-2006, 11:10 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SpiderMan:</font><hr> Are you truly He?

GrassHopper <hr /></blockquote>

Yes indeed, I am he who was once cast out into the wilderness. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
10-06-2006, 11:58 AM
Hey, if you're who I think you are, then....Hi there...Welcome back, friend!!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gayle in Md.

FatsRedux
10-06-2006, 12:36 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Hey, if you're who I think you are, then....Hi there...Welcome back, friend!!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gayle in Md.
<hr /></blockquote>

Thanks Gayle and yes I am who you think I am. Who else would send you something like "Bush's War on Horror". Remember that? /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

BTW, hows the pinched nerve doing. I know just how much pain a pinched nerve can produce. I had one a couple of months ago from herniated discs in my cervical spinal area
(neck). I tried everything but then I went to to a pain specialist and got a series of four cortisone epidurals and I've been good to go since then.

BTW, I'm still an ornery and opinionated cuss, but I have pretty much given up on the whole Reps and Dems thing. I have decided to go back to my Libertarian roots.

Here's an article you may find interesting. :
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/red-state-fascism.html

SpiderMan
10-06-2006, 12:53 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote FatsRedux:</font><hr> I have pretty much given up on the whole Reps and Dems thing. <hr /></blockquote>Right and left wings of the American Socialist Party.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote FatsRedux:</font><hr>I have decided to go back to my Libertarian roots. <hr /></blockquote>Currently unelectable, but perhaps resembling how we will lean after the ashes stop smoldering /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

SpiderMan

Gayle in MD
10-06-2006, 01:11 PM
/ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gifHa ha ha..Yikes, what am I laughing about? /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

G.

Gayle in MD
10-06-2006, 01:23 PM
Real good to hear from you friend. Welcome back. And Yes, think I do remember...

On the pinched nerve, I can usually keep it in check, except when I do things I know damn well I souldn't be doing, but, you know how that goes. Even though I use a drill like gadget for ploanting tulips and daffodils, just being in that position, aggravates it, so I'll be reading on the heat pad for a week now. I've had the cortizone before too. Hope I don't have to go for that. Usually, if I get a valium in me right away, and rest, and do my stretches, I can work it out myself, but, didn't rest it this time. Too many bulbs, lol...sometimes, you just get in a heat to finish a project, you know...

Hey, I'm still an O &amp; O cuss, too, but, WTF, too old to change now! I leave the labels to my critics, they do a pretty good job with em! LOL...

Later friend...you take care now!

Love,
Gayle

Gayle in MD
10-07-2006, 05:10 AM
Just clicked on the link you provided...Thanks...This is powerful. Maybe you should link this in a separate post. It should be left burried here, IMO...

Thanks again..
/ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

wolfdancer
10-07-2006, 10:02 AM
very interesting article.....and he is located in Dee's libertarian state of Alabama.