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Qtec
10-05-2006, 07:34 PM
....here, but not really. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Hastert 'Taking Responsibility' in Page Scandal
But House Speaker Says He Won't Step Down, Expects GOP to Retain House
By JOHN COCHRAN
Oct. 5, 2006 — - House Speaker Dennis Hastert, speaking from his home district in Illinois, said "We're taking responsibility" for the page sex scandal on Capitol Hill.

"As someone has said in Washington before, the buck stops here," Hastert said, but he also said he will not step down as speaker, and if Republicans retain control of the House in the November elections, he will ask his party to keep him in his post. <font color="blue"> Oh boy! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif </font color>

You can read the rest of this peach of an article at the bottom of the page.[ no pun intended! /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif well, maybe it is! /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif]







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He said the current page program is not designed for the age of the Internet, when explicit messages can be transmitted to teenagers.

"We are now trying to correct the problem," he said.

Part of his solution is a toll-free number, 866-384-0481, which can be used by anyone with a tip about inappropriate behavior between House members or staff members and pages.

Hastert said he is looking "for a person of high caliber to advise us on the page program." Several sources have said that Hastert has suggested to both Republicans and Democrats that former FBI director Louis Freeh could be a good choice.

Hastert repeated earlier declarations that he only learned of former Rep. Mark Foley's "explicit instant messages" last Friday, and said that as for other Republican leaders and staffers, "I don't know who knew what, when."

Hastert again acknowledged that he had known previously about e-mails from Foley that were not overtly sexual. He said he gave the job of warning Foley to Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill. <font color="blue"> Overtly!? WTF does that mean? Overtly?....</font color>

"He confronted the member [Foley]. And the member said that he would stop doing that," Hastert said.

Foley assured Shimkus there were no other messages, he said.

But the speaker admitted that the situation may not have been handled as well as it could have been.

"Could we have done it better? Could the page board have handled it better? In retrospect, probably yes. But at that time, what we knew and what we acted on was what we had," Hastert said.

Hastert's account of events was challenged on Wednesday by Kirk Fordham, a former chief of staff to Foley. Fordham said that two years ago he warned the speaker's chief of staff, Scott Palmer, that Foley was acting inappropriately toward pages. Palmer said that meeting never happened.


Today, Hastert did not specifically deny Fordham's account.

"Well, my staff has been -- if somebody didn't let us know, then there's a problem," he said.

At the same time, he challenged Fordham's credibility.

"Kirk Fordham also said just about three or four days ago that he worked for this guy [Foley] for 10 years, and he never did anything wrong," Hastert said. "So there's a little bit of difference in the testimony or what he said." <font color="blue"> This is a Partisan issue? </font color>

Fordham's account is crucial both to an FBI investigation of the Foley affair and the House Ethics Committee's probe. In political terms, a big question is whether Hastert knew two years ago that Foley could be a danger to pages.
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In 2001, pages were warned to be careful with Foley.

In 2005, one page complained to his congressman about "sick" e-mails from Foley, a complaint passed on to the Speaker's staff.

Then this past spring, the complaint was again raised with three Republican leaders, including Hastert himself.

Foley wrote his lurid messages at the same time he presented himself as a champion of young people and the pages.

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It appears that he had sex with at least one of these pages. Some will say that the boy was 18 at the time which probably is true but Foley began his 'romance' when the boy was under 18. he sollicited a minor. he should go to jail.

Q...JMO

wolfdancer
10-05-2006, 07:46 PM
Q, even I who never passed up a pun...would not have written that one....unless maybe, I thought of it first.Best I could come up with was "...taking a page out of the Republican's handbook"
I think Hastert's going to end up "taking one for the team"...he'd be a lame duck anyway.
I'd hope though that people will decide their vote on the major issues, rather then on this incident.

Gayle in MD
10-05-2006, 08:26 PM
So, what I want to know is, are the Republicans all on the same page? /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
10-05-2006, 08:32 PM
AH HA HA...thanks heavens for you, and Q...too funny.

So now, here we go again...

"Have mistakes been made? Yes."

"Could things have gone better? Yes....But!"

Man, if they don't run Hastard's arse out of town on this one, I give up! Atleast we won't have to listen to Bush's blanket excuse for everything on this one...

"It's hard!" It's hard! It's hard!" Ya think? Na...

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ceebee
10-06-2006, 08:50 AM
Hi Gayle... glad to see you back. I have been very busy, running a company, so I haven't had the time to come around.

None of the members of Congress are HONORABLE anymore. This latest scandal (dog &amp; pony show) shows they will stand together, to protect one of their own, that is until the truth floats like a turd in the toilet &amp; then they are off the perpetrator like odor off the turd.

None of them are honest &amp; trustworthy, the members of Congress prove that to us, time &amp; time again.

Gayle in MD
10-06-2006, 09:12 AM
Hi, and thanks, /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And...boy, you said a mouthful!! Ain't it the truth! This book I'm reading, well, haven't really started it yet, just skimmed through, but it's all about exactly that, called, The Broken Branch, and our country is sliding for sure, due to representatives on both sides, and both houses, and the executive branch, who would rather cozy up to the big money Corporate fascists for their campaign money, and perks, than do what is best for our country. It's really a shame.

You take care now...Ceebee, good hearing from you... /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Gayle in Md.

SpiderMan
10-06-2006, 10:54 AM
A former girlfriend, who managed a large "Mervyn's" retail store, frequently observed (regarding harassment issues) that her homosexual employees seemed far more likely to approach underage victims that her straight employees.

Perhaps the homos feel that they have a better chance of conquest if they don't try to "convert" someone with a long history of straight relationships?

This post is apolitical - I have no idea whether conservatives or liberals are more likely to practice faggotry.

SpiderMan

FatsRedux
10-06-2006, 12:06 PM
The Daily Kos had the below paragraph in an article about Gerry Studds in the DKosopedia. It was edited out when the Foley scandal broke out:

"On July 20, 1983, Gerry was censured for having an affair 10 years earlier with a male page. He...turned his back] as the charges against him were read. The anti-gay crew had worked hard to demonize him (as they would [[Barney Frank]] several years later over allegations of a male prostitute having clients in Frank's apartment). Gerry held a press conference with the page and admitted to a relationship. They each firmly stated that what had gone on in their bedroom was their business, and absolutely no one else's."

So prior to the Foley scandal, criticizing a Congressman for homosexual sex with a 17 year old page was the, "anti-gay crew (working) hard to demonize him."

Now they are wailing like banshees for Dennis Hastert to resign for not figuring out sooner, that Foley was another Gerry Studds.

Now let us take a look at the Barney Frank scandal. In 1989 Frank was having a sexual relation with one Steve Gobie. Mr. Gobie, an enterprising young lad, was running a homosexual “escort” service out of Frank’s Capitol Hill apartment.

Now for some facts. As repugnant and sordid as I find the whole matter to be, Foley did not actually engage in sex with the page in question, but even if he had.. the age of consent in Washington DC is sixteen. That’s right folks, sixteen.

Should Foley go? IMO, yes. Should Hastert go? IMO, hell no!

nAz
10-06-2006, 12:24 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SpiderMan:</font><hr> A former girlfriend, who managed a large "Mervyn's" retail store, frequently observed (regarding harassment issues) that her homosexual employees seemed far more likely to approach underage victims that her straight employees.

Perhaps the homos feel that they have a better chance of conquest if they don't try to "convert" someone with a long history of straight relationships?

This post is apolitical - I have no idea whether conservatives or liberals are more likely to practice faggotry.

SpiderMan <hr /></blockquote>

lol hmm perhaps they just like them tight?

wolfdancer
10-06-2006, 12:51 PM
I'd agree with you in principle, but someone's got to play "Ollie North" for the home team. And Hestert, like Laertes in Hamlet, will "die" by his own sword, over this sordid mess.
Look at the bright side here...the news about Foley, and his page, has kept the folly in Iraq, off the front page.

Deeman3
10-06-2006, 01:09 PM
Free FatsRedux just doesn't have the sang ring to it.

Welcome back, friend.

DeeMan

wolfdancer
10-06-2006, 10:32 PM
Q, close...but it should read "the young buck stops here"
web page (http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/asmussen/)
Leave it to the writers at SFGate to put the right spin on that.....did I say right?