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LowRight
10-26-2006, 05:30 AM
Why doesn't Billiards Digest do some investigative reporting and contact the Ho people to see if this deal is legit?? If it isn't, BD will break the story and the billiard community will be glad to hear well before KT was going to tell them the bad news.

So far, all we've heard is from KT himself (and he has NO credibility at all IMHO).

Rich R.
10-26-2006, 06:19 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LowRight:</font><hr> Why doesn't Billiards Digest do some investigative reporting and contact the Ho people to see if this deal is legit?? If it isn't, BD will break the story and the billiard community will be glad to hear well before KT was going to tell them the bad news.

So far, all we've heard is from KT himself (and he has NO credibility at all IMHO). <hr /></blockquote>
And you think that Mr. Ho, with triad, organized crime and gambling ties,
is more credible than KT. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

MrLucky
10-26-2006, 06:33 AM
another good point Rich on why this is all a mammoth SCAM ! /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif The true losers here are the players and the sport! no matter what the eventual outcome all of the distancing and progress made by this sport we all love from its sordid past images will be now diminished and because of the medias involvement (Televised IPT matches and growing visibility in this aspect that the IPT has accomplished thus far) Pool will be the true victim! /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Don
10-26-2006, 09:30 AM
BD doesn't want to investigate. They have just been used also by Mr. T for free PR and the editor says good things about Mr T. BD is afraid of the power he has and will keep quiet. The sleezeball will fall quickly from grace but this small pool community doesnt want to mess with the pool mofiaoso...they are all spineless...and much to small time to do an investigative report. They wont print anything in BD that is even romotely personal or indepth or about anyone they arent pushing at the moment. That is why I am sick of the mag after all these years. Why the heck put a picture of J Archer on front page saying he is their pick to be big IPT winner. He is great but hardly in Reyes league and some others too. It was a joke and inside they didnt give Reyes much chance, what kind of a bad judgement joke is that. The Americans are really not competitive anymore excpet against eachother, it's no secret. It wont help them win putting them on the front cover of the American Billiard Digest magazine. It just serves to embarrass them....by the way Mr T. could be in more trouble than he could ever imagine, dont you think?
Don

nAz
10-26-2006, 09:54 AM
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BD doesn't want to investigate. They have just been used also by Mr. T for free PR and the editor says good things about Mr T. BD is afraid of the power he has and will keep quiet. The sleezeball will fall quickly from grace but this small pool community doesnt want to mess with the pool mofiaoso...they are all spineless...and much to small time to do an investigative report."

I don't think BD or any other pool mag is known for their deep investigative reporting. Although I think BD is still the best Pool mag out there. (wish they would do more local coverage though!)

I think everyone should just wait till the end of the year and see what happens, it may still all work out and in the end that is what is most important for pool, beside what else do the players and fans have to lose?

dave
10-26-2006, 10:26 AM
Unless they manage to find a way to tie in international internet gambling into the deal, there won't BE a deal with Mr. Ho. That's the only basis for Mr.Ho's interest in the IPT. The rest of the talk is just noise. The deal will fall through because of politics, not money. IMO

dave
10-26-2006, 10:42 AM
The world's biggest Internet gambling companies lost US$7 billion of market value in a day after Congress passed legislation on September 30 to prevent credit-card companies from collecting payments for online bets. US President George W. Bush signed the law on October 13. Shanghai Daily.com

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4285132.html

wolfdancer
10-26-2006, 11:02 AM
I don't think it's to BD's advantage to do any investigative reporting. The deal will play out in it's own time.
Like Dave wrote, the new regs against internet gambling will probably cause the numbers to be reworked...but featuring IPT tournaments at Mr. Ho's Casinos, could still be accretive for his operation. Pool is big, gambling is big, over there...seems they would go hand in hand.
The $150m price tag though would be out of line?
I think the players will get paid their promised monies....the only legal way to avoid that is to declare the IPT bk ???

MrLucky
10-26-2006, 11:54 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> "....the only legal way to avoid that is to declare the IPT bk ???" <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="red"> bingo! </font color> /ccboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

LowRight
10-26-2006, 12:13 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> And you think that Mr. Ho, with triad, organized crime and gambling ties, is more credible than KT. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif <hr /></blockquote>
Of course I don't. But unless Ho's in on the scam or the deal is real (both of which I highly doubt), I would think his "people" would tell any reporter that they've never even heard of KT.

Rich R.
10-26-2006, 04:42 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> And you think that Mr. Ho, with triad, organized crime and gambling ties, is more credible than KT. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif <hr /></blockquote>
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LowRight:</font><hr> Of course I don't. But unless Ho's in on the scam or the deal is real (both of which I highly doubt), I would think his "people" would tell any reporter that they've never even heard of KT. <hr /></blockquote>
Although not as originally planned, IMHO, this deal will go through and the IPT will go on. The base of operations will be moved to Asia along with the majority of the tournaments. Of course, this is all just speculation by me, but it will be interesting to see if I am close. /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

slim
10-26-2006, 05:12 PM
If Ho's involvement is not in place, then why would Ho allow the corporate name to be used on the IPT website? I noticed Vonage dropped off the front page recently.

Pizza Bob
10-27-2006, 04:59 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Don:</font><hr> BD doesn't want to investigate. They have just been used also by Mr. T for free PR and the editor says good things about Mr T. BD is afraid of the power he has and will keep quiet. The sleezeball will fall quickly from grace but this small pool community doesnt want to mess with the pool mofiaoso...they are all spineless...and much to small time to do an investigative report. They wont print anything in BD that is even romotely personal or indepth or about anyone they arent pushing at the moment. That is why I am sick of the mag after all these years. Why the heck put a picture of J Archer on front page saying he is their pick to be big IPT winner. He is great but hardly in Reyes league and some others too. It was a joke and inside they didnt give Reyes much chance, what kind of a bad judgement joke is that. The Americans are really not competitive anymore excpet against eachother, it's no secret. It wont help them win putting them on the front cover of the American Billiard Digest magazine. It just serves to embarrass them....by the way Mr T. could be in more trouble than he could ever imagine, dont you think?
Don <hr /></blockquote>

Mr. Mackey?? Is that you?? Don??

Don
10-27-2006, 07:50 AM
I am not a Mackey, lol but am a Don...

LowRight
10-27-2006, 07:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote slim:</font><hr> If Ho's involvement is not in place, then why would Ho allow the corporate name to be used on the IPT website?<hr /></blockquote>
Who says Ho even knows about the IPT web site, or the IPT for that matter? Just because something is posted on a web site doesn't mean it's there legally.

I personally hope that the Ho deal is real. I have serious doubts however -- for many good reasons. I understand that BD and the rest of the billiard press is not into investigative reporting (for good reason), but how much does it take to make a few phone calls? If they did, I bet they could find out the true story without too much trouble. If it is real, then no harm done. If not, the players (and anyone who would be throwing their money away on qualifiers, subscriptions, and the like) would know not to support the IPT anymore.

wolfdancer
10-27-2006, 09:24 AM
The Ho deal is off, but the Ho dual is on
web page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OPtXtHcc2o&amp;mode=related&amp;search=)

Fran Crimi
10-28-2006, 08:09 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote MrLucky:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> "....the only legal way to avoid that is to declare the IPT bk ???" <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="red"> bingo! </font color> /ccboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif <hr /></blockquote>

'Bingo' is right. Unfortunately, it's starting to look like things are headed that way. What I didn't like in his interview was that he said he wouldn't invest any of his 'Natural Cures' money into the IPT. Therefore, the only options are, OPM (other people's money) or the dreaded "B" word.

Fran