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pooltchr
11-10-2006, 07:10 PM
Cosponsoring massive guestworker-amnesty bill in 2005-2006
Rep. Pelosi is a cosponsor of H.R. 2330 the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act . H.R. 2330 clearly spells out a path to jobs and residency for illegal aliens. Among the significant immigration-increase provisions of the bill are: a new visa category (H-5A) for 400,000 low-skill foreign workers (this cap can be adjusted upwards); a provision for the H-5A temporary workers to apply for permanent resident status after four years; a new temporary 6-year visa category (H-5B) for illegal aliens (and their spouses and children) already in the country; an amnesty for illegal aliens who apply for an H-5B visa and pay a $2,000 fine; an increase of 150,000 visas per year for employment-based immigrants; and an exemption of immediate relatives (spouses, children, and parents of U.S. citizens) from the annual level of 480,000 family-sponsored immigrant visas thereby providing 254,000 additional visas to the family preference categories. H.R. 2330 contains modest measures to increase border security such as creation of a Border Security Committee and creation of a new electronic work authorization system that would eventually replace the current "I-9" system. H.R. 2330 would also require the federal government to reimburse hospitals for the cost of providing emergency health care to H-5A and H-5B workers. Companion legislation, S. 1033, has been introduced in the Senate by Senators Jon McCain (R-AZ) and Ted Kennedy (D-MA).


Voted against bill to bar drivers' licenses for illegal aliens in 2005
Rep. Pelosi voted on the floor of the House against H.R. 418, the REAL ID Act. This legislation would set federal standards for the issuance of drivers' licenses and require proof of "legal presence" in order to obtain a driver's license. This would make illegal aliens ineligible for drivers' licenses. As well, H.R. 418 would tie the driver's license expiration date of a temporary visa holder to the expiration date of their visa so that those who enter the country legally as visa holders, but become illegal aliens by overstaying their visas will not have a valid driver's license after the date of the expiration of their visa. In addition, H.R. 418 includes provisions to broaden the terrorism-related grounds for inadmissibility and deportability of aliens, and to complete construction of the San Diego border fence. H.R. 418 would deter illegal immigration by making it more difficult for illegal aliens to enter and to remain in the United States. It also would reduce significantly the risk that terrorists will be able to game our asylum system or avoid removal because of loopholes in our immigration laws. H.R. 418 was passed by the House of Representatives by a vote of 261-161.


Voted in favor of amendment to strip asylum reforms from H.R. 418 in 2005
Rep. Pelosi voted in favor of the Nadler Amendment to H.R. 418. The Nadler Amendment was an amendment to strike Section 101 of H.R. 418. Section 101 of H.R. 418 is the section includes reforms of our asylum laws to prevent terrorists from gaming our asylum system. Specifically, it includes provisions to ensure that our asylum system is consistent with our justice system in which the trier of fact is always allowed to use the credibility of the defendant and witnesses in deciding the case. Requiring an asylum claimant to bear the burden of proof is consistent both with our justice system and with international law, which says we must grant asylum to an alien who has been persecuted or has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion (the five grounds agreed upon in the Geneva Convention). The Nadler Amendment failed by a vote of 185-236.


Voted against the Rule that incorporated the Manager's Amendment to strengthen some of the key immigration reforms of H.R. 418 in 2005
Rep. Pelosi voted against the rule that incorporated the Manager's Amendment to H.R. 418 (H. Res. 75). H.R. 418 was brought to the House floor for consideration under a rule that incorporated an amendment by the bill's sponsor, Chairman Sensenbrenner. Because the rule included the amendment, a vote for the rule did two things: 1) like any rule for consideration, it established the time limits for debate of the bill and permitted the debate to begin; and 2) it added the text of the Manager's Amendment to the original bill. The Manager's Amendment included the following changes to strengthen the provisions of H.R. 418: requires immigration judges to determine an alien's credibility before granting relief or protection from removal; limits deportable aliens' ability to stall their deportation by filing endless appeals in court; and strikes both the section of the bill that explicitly recognizes states' ability to issue "driving certificates" that do not comply with the standards, and the provision that permits the Department of Homeland Security to regulate such alternative licenses. The Manager's Amendment also included a provision to eliminate the cap of 10,000 per year on the number of asylees who may apply for adjustment to permanent resident status after residing in the U.S. for at least one year following the grant of asylum. However the rest of the provisions of the Manager's Amendment more than make up for this provision, since asylees already are virtually assured permanent resident status eventually. The Manager's Amendment passed by a vote of 228-198.


Voted against amendment to H.R. 10 to complete border fence in 2004
Rep. Pelosi voted against the Ose Amendment to H.R. 10, the 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act. The Ose Amendment would have ensured completion of the last 14 miles of the San Diego border fence. This would serve as a physical barrier to additional illegal immigration. While the border fence will segment the habitat of a few species and cause localized habitat destruction in the immediate construction zone, it will reduce the widespread destruction of habitat for all species that is caused by large numbers of illegal aliens trampling through pristine areas, leaving huge quantities of trash and human waste, and building campfires that too often turn into devastating wildfires. The Ose Amendment passed by a vote of 252-160.


Voted against amendment to H.R. 10 to increase deportation of alien terrorists in 2004
Rep. Pelosi voted against the Green Amendment to H.R. 10, the 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act. The Green Amendment would have made all terrorist-related grounds of inadmissibility, grounds of deportability, as well. This would have strengthened immigration law with regard to the deportability of alien terrorists. The Green Amendment passed by a vote of 283-132.

pooltchr
11-10-2006, 08:56 PM
Gayle. Care to comment????
Steve

Drop1
11-10-2006, 10:19 PM
It does not appear she was alone on her voting. Can you tell me you read the 335 page 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act,with its buried ties to the Patriot 2 ammendments. The Republicans should have learned one thing from the election...they lost,because they pushed control too far.

Fran Crimi
11-10-2006, 10:36 PM
From an MD. resident to his senator
The Honorable Paul S. Sarbanes
309 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington DC, 20510

Dear Senator Sarbanes,

As a native Marylander and excellent Customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.
My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which you voted.
If my understanding of this bill's provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out.
Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.
Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year. Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States for my son.
Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age children driving my car.
If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.

Your Loyal Constituent,
Pete McGlaughlin

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pooltchr
11-11-2006, 05:16 AM
Maybe we need some more...

Nancy Pelosi
Voted against protecting the Pledge of Allegience (Sept 04)
Voted against ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions (May 98)
Voted for funding of alternative sentencing rather than more prisons (June 00)
Voted against more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime (june 99)
Voted against aurhtorizing construction of new oil refineries (Oct 05)
Voted against limiting attorney fees in class action lawsuits (Feb 05)
Voted against restricting frivolous lawsuits (Sep 04)
Voted against small business associations for buying health insurance (june 03)
<font color="red"> Voted against adopting the recommendations of the 9/11 commission. (Oct 04) </font color>
Voted against preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman project (June 06)
Voted to extend Immigrant Residency rules (May 01)
Voted yes for more immigrant visas (Sep 98)
Voted against providing tax relief and simplification (Sep 04)
Voted against eliminating the marriage penalty tax (Apr 04)
Voted against eliminating the Estate Tax (Death Tax) Apr 01)

She has been ranked more liberal than 91% of the other representatives in the house. Her stand against tax relief that would benefit middle class Americans, and her position on illegal immigration should give us a pretty good indication of what we can expect in the next two years.

Steve

Gayle in MD
11-11-2006, 09:01 AM
Steve,
I have said all along, that I do not agree with the Democratic position on illegal aliens. As for this information on Pelosi, could you tell me where you found it? Some of it seems suspect, to me, considering that one of the first issues on her agenda, as she has stated, is to enforce, and fund, the recommendations of the 9/11 commission.

Gayle in Md.

Harold Acosta
11-11-2006, 10:12 AM
Steve, Nancy could very well "change her position" on many of these issues now that the Democratic Party is in full power. She most probably voted against many of the "Republican Language" on these bills.

Nowadays, it is a "whole different ball-game."

wolfdancer
11-11-2006, 10:29 AM
Wow !!!
Sounds to me like this pos kept GWB from cracking down on illegal immigration and protecting our country from further attack.
Add in her votes against all these other good bills...and makes you wonder how this anti-American, immoral b***h got to such a position of power. Maybe she is less immoral,less willing to turn over the country to...whomever...the Mexicans,or the terrorists...then the rest of her fellow Democrats??? We gotta hope so....because after 6 years of strong conservative, idealogical rule...we have turned the reins over to this Godless, free-spending,baby killing,{add in your own expletives} group.
AND the reason for this (according to Ed)a couple of bj's by rogue Republicans....
don't people ever learn?...This was exactly why BC and the Dems were vanquished from power.
While this election sets the nation back a bit from a monotheistic based Gov't....remember we are just being tested and will have to have renewed strength to oppose this Satanic group. The Lord works in mysterious ways.....
Well, here's some good news for you: It looks like Republican incumbent Rep. Jim Dunn will keep his seat in the house. He's ahead by 308 votes, with just another 800 left to be counted.
He'll defeat retired corrections officer, Pat Campbell, despite Pat's free-wheeling $$ expenditures, during the campaign. Pat raised $189 dollars for his ruthless attempt to buy the seat, influence the vote by excessive advertising.

FatsRedux
11-11-2006, 10:49 AM
Nancy Pelosi will be not only the first woman Speaker but also the wealthiest ever.

So how much is she worth? $55 million. Not bad huh?

Despite all her bellyaching about the "tax cuts for the rich" she didn't give her share of the cuts back to the Treasury. Uhmm, whats up with that?

This champion of the working class won the the 2003 Cesar Chavez award from the United Farm Workers, yet hires only non-union workers on her $25 million Napa Valley vineyard. Maybe that's why she opposed all efforts to stop the flow of illegals from Mexico.

According to author Peter Schweizer's "Do As I Say (Not As I Do)," the luxury resort and restaurants she partly owns are also strictly non-union. The exclusive country club she partly owns failed to comply with existing environmental regulations for the past eight years including a failure to protect endangered species.

Fats

Gayle in MD
11-11-2006, 10:50 AM
Amen...
A quick study of the kinds of earmarks that have been included in many of the Republican sponsored bills, are truly an eye opening education on the voting.

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
11-11-2006, 10:51 AM
Harold, while the title of all these bills sounds good....it might have been the add-ons that she really opposed.
Like they raised the min wage....but hidden in that bill was a tax break for the very wealthy. Another bill just passed(I don't keep up with these) included a Presidential pardon.
I'm sure that multi-million bridge to nowhere, was inserted in another "keep America strong" bill.
I don't think any politician would have what looks like an abysmal voting record...that could be used against her....without just cause.
I'll take Nancy over Newt, even if I find out she used to turn tricks to make a living. After all,We been getting screwed for 6 years now, and they'll be paying for that in generations to come

FatsRedux
11-11-2006, 10:52 AM
Here's an excerpt from an article in World News Daily:

<font color="purple">Pelosi is a long-time member of the "Progressive Caucus" or, as I call it, the Congressional Red Army Caucus.

In fact, she has even served on the executive committee of the socialist-leaning Progressive Caucus, a bloc of about 60 votes or nearly 30 percent of the minority vote in the lower chamber. Until 1999, the website of the Progressive Caucus was hosted by the Democratic Socialists of America. Following an expose of the link between the two organizations in WND, the Progressive Caucus established its own website under the auspices of Congress. Another officer of the Progressive Caucus, and one of its guiding lights, is avowed socialist Rep. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent.

The Democratic Socialists of America's chief organizing stated goal is to work within the Democratic Party and remove the stigma attached to "socialism" in the eyes of most Americans.

"Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an organizing document of the DSA. "The Democratic Party is something the public understands, and association with it takes the edge off. Stressing our Democratic Party work will establish some distance from the radical subculture and help integrate you to the milieu of the young liberals."

Nevertheless, the goal of the Democratic Socialists of America has never been deeply hidden. Prior to the cleanup of its website in 1999, the DSA included a song list featuring "The Internationale," the worldwide anthem of communism and socialism. Another song on the site was "Red Revolution" sung to the tune of "Red Robin." The lyrics went: "When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along, there'll be no more lootin' when we start shootin' that Wall Street throng. ..." Another song removed after it was exposed was "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?" The lyrics went: "Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We'll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie."

In the last six years, the Progressive Caucus has been careful to moderate its image for mainstream consumption. </font color>

Fats

Gayle in MD
11-11-2006, 11:12 AM
Gee Fats,
I would have expected more from you...so does this mean that libertarians, like republicans, also believe that if you're not for their party, you're surely a socialist, or communist? World News Daily? Hmmm Mind telling us who wrote the article????

Gayle in Md.

FatsRedux
11-11-2006, 11:40 AM
Just pointing outing another hypocrite Gayle. I don't think all Dems/Reps are either this or that. But as you may or may not remember, I came to the US from Cuba, and I have no tolerance whatsoever for socialists or commies, be they baby pink or deepest crimson red.

Pelosi may or may not be a commie but there's that old saying that if you hang around with the wrong kind of people some of their bad habits will rub off on you.

Fats

Gayle in MD
11-11-2006, 11:53 AM
LOL...true...so, who was the author, just curious.

Gayle in Md.

FatsRedux
11-11-2006, 12:23 PM
The author is Joseph Farah.

Fats

Qtec
11-11-2006, 01:25 PM
Biography
Farah made a name for himself in 1990 when he became editor of the Sacramento Union newspaper under the ownership of Daniel Benvenuti Jr. and David Kassis when the three turned the paper in a more conservative direction.[1] Benvenuti and Kassis bought the newspaper from billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife who was also a conservative and would eventually fund the Arkansas Project to bring down Bill Clinton. After 15 months as editor of the Union, Farah stepped down, in part from the 30% decline of the paper's circulation. (The Sacramento Union was bankrupt by 1994, but became an online a monthly magazine in 2004.)[1] From there he moved to Los Angeles to become the executive news editor of the Los Angeles Herald Examiner (now closed) and served as editor-in-chief for various California dailies and weeklies.

Farah began working with Rush Limbaugh...............News Max............etc.












Good credentials. .....LMAO

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Gayle in MD
11-11-2006, 01:28 PM
LOL...I just finished reading that...thanks for posting it, now I don't have to bother... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Gayle in Md.

Qtec
11-11-2006, 01:32 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Voted against adopting the recommendations of the 9/11 commission. (Oct 04) <hr /></blockquote>

..............which the Govt has largely ignored!


Why doesn't GW want Americans to be safe?

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Qtec
11-11-2006, 01:52 PM
WND, News Max, The Washington Times, Limbaugh [ he has just confessed! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif] are all mouthpieces for the GOP.

The Dems are in power for 10 minutes and the character assassination has already begun. So much for unity! The country has spoken but are the Right going to work with the new majority?
Doesn't sound like it to me.

Q

Gayle in MD
11-11-2006, 01:54 PM
Hey, he knows the end is coming anyway, lol. Why worry? It's all in the Bible, silly, and we're all doomed. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gayle in MD
11-11-2006, 01:56 PM
LOL, why do you think Steve and Fats hate Nancy Pelosi? /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

pooltchr
11-11-2006, 05:12 PM
It's gotta be tough to be a conservative out there on the left coast!
Steve

pooltchr
11-11-2006, 05:15 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> LOL, why do you think Steve and Fats hate Nancy Pelosi? /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>

I can't speak for Fats, but once again, you are making personal statements about me that are untrue. I guess you just can't help yourself. As you have shown us over and over...you aren't concerned with facts...just your liberal left-handed opinions. Say what you want about me. We both know it isn't true.
Just in case you missed it earlier, I do not hate Ms P. I do think she is a very dangerous person to our country. Much the same way I feel about Bill's wife!
Steve

Drop1
11-11-2006, 06:06 PM
Mr.Fat Boy Sir, Thats not all that much money,if you look around,Madona made that much last year. I'm amazed that the election was only a week ago,and already Pelosi is to be burned at the stake. I think she will be good for my party,"The Wallet Party". I wonder,are we still spending two billion dollars a day,and borrowing forty six percent of that amount from Asian countries? Maybe if we raised taxes on the poor,we could make up that difference. Will Pelosi make a difference as to the future of this country? I doubt it history is not on her side,and certainly the Republicans are not going to work with the Democrats.

pooltchr
11-11-2006, 06:53 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> Will Pelosi make a difference as to the future of this country? I doubt it history is not on her side,and certainly the Republicans are not going to work with the Democrats. <hr /></blockquote>

I think you got it backwards. Pelosi has already told her fellow dem representatives that there won't be any committee chairs in the future for any dems who work with the reps.
Burn her at the stake? No. All I have done is lay out her voting record for all to see and make up their own minds. If you like what she did in the past, you will love what she does in the future. If not, you might want to reconsider whether you want to support her or not.

Please note, I have not called her any names, made any comments about her personally, made up any cute little names for her or her party. I posted facts. Unlike some who take pride in posting such nonsense about certain members of the opposing party.
Steve

Drop1
11-11-2006, 07:17 PM
I'm willing to see if the two Parties can work together. I think you would want to see the same. When I say history is not on her side,I refer to the emerging Powers in the world that are playing the fiddle the U.S. dances to,coupled with the domestic problems that are really going to hit us very hard in the next few years. Can you and I be civil,can we say there are problems,can we work together,if not where does that leave the country. I'm not all right,and I'm not all wrong,and neither are you,so I think the operative word is compromise.

pooltchr
11-11-2006, 09:29 PM
There will be compromises, but unfortunately, I don't hold out a lot of hope that they will be to benefit you and me. Both parties will be posturing for the next two years. Control of the congress is a minor victory...their real goal is to get the White House in two years.

The power is not going to be with the newly elected members. It's all about seniority. This means control is in the hands of the old guard. Some of the new members ran on a more conservative campaign. One of the newest members from NC in his victory speech was talking about his Christian background. But if he doesn't toe the party line with the Dems, he will find there is no money from the party when he runs again. That is how the system works. There may be many who would like to work across the aisle, but the party leaders control the purse strings.

Yes, I hope they are able to accomplish some positive things for the country. But compromise also means giving up some things you believe in, to get other things. The Dems have made it clear they want to give amnesty to illegal invaders in this country. Considering the current situation in the world, I (and the big majority of Americans...even GAYLE!!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif ) believe this is wrong. I think securing our boarders, and not giving citizenship to criminals (if they are here illegally, they are criminals) is the most important thing we can do to provide security to our citizens. I'm afraid we are about to sell out, and the new speaker will be the one to lead the charge.
Steve

FatsRedux
11-12-2006, 12:50 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> LOL, why do you think Steve and Fats hate Nancy Pelosi? /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Hate? I don't know about all that. Do I think she sucks big time? Oh yes I do. She's a class A hypocrite.

Of course when I begin excoriating Republican hypocrites you'll jump on the bandwagon, right Gayle?

See, that's the difference between us. I call 'em as I see 'em, you only see the bad when the individual in question is not a Democrat. Your Democrats suck and the Republicans suck. Either one would sell out their own mothers for the sake of political expediency.

Go on and kiss their azzes if it makes you feel good, as for me I won't get fooled again.

So in closing let me say to both your beloved Dems, and to the Reps (whom I once sided with), that I fart in their general direction.

BTW here is a link to the commie wing of the Democrap party:
Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html)

Fats&lt; Pseudo intelleckyouall, Lord-High-Everything-Else, and 32nd degree Scientologist.

Gayle in MD
11-12-2006, 07:15 AM
Steve,
Let's be fair. You, Deeman and Ed, and a few others who know who they are, have consistantly used the hate word against me on this forum for years, in order to dilute any criticisms against this President and the Republican party on my part. The wink icon should have indicated to you that I was kidding you, but, you see how the words affected you. It's insulting to be accused of hatred, so now that you guys will have the opportunity to be critical of Democrats, we centrists, which is what we really are, basically, are not supposed to dilute your opinions with the same rhetoric, by using the hate word, lol, even if it is with a wink icon...that's pretty good.

Now, to accuse me of not being concerned with the facts, is probably the second most inaccurate accusation you could make about me. A person who is not concerned with finding the facts, certainly doesn't invest the time and interest I have invested these past six years, and throughout my life, reading books written by people from both party persuasions, and from the libertarian party, and the green party, our Generals, Economists, Scientists, journalists from both the left and the right, and constitutional experts, if they aren't interested in learning the best possible version of the truth.

I base my opinions on the on-going study of current events. I do not form opinions, and then dig to find support for them later, as your President has done, and as the right leaning pundits do daily.

I gave George Bush a chance to show me who he would become once he took the office of the presidency, which is much more than you are doing so far, in regards Nancy Pelosi. The fact is, that Bush's people are presently appealing a supreme court finding, which states very clearly, that his positions and actions, have been unconstitutional, and that he is NOT above the laws which he has secretly, and blantantly, failed to observe. Now that is a FACT.

Further, you're so called compassionate conservative heros, such as George Bush, have been the biggest spenders that this country has ever seen, ever! And, they have redistributed money to the wealthy. That is also a fact. They have broken international agreements, another fact, and they have used fear, and accusations of unpatriotic behavior against all those who are upset over their abuse of power, their failure to protect the Constitution, and the laws of our nation, and any who demand explanations for the grossly incompetence of prosecuting this war, the failure of which has cost the lives of many many patriotic American Soldiers. No one in service to our country, other than the presidential Secret Service, takes a pledge to protect the president in this country, but every single Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine, and special services of the armed forces, patriotically takes a pledge to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States Of America. And, in my opinion, every American, who puts their hand to their heart, to pledge allegiance to our flag, is actually pledging allegiance to our Constitution, our laws, and the protections of each, which were put forth by the Framers, and which many many patriots have died to defend.

Therefore, I would submit to you that if you are afraid of anyone in our great country, your fears would be much more accurately directed towards the President, Vice President, Attorney General, Secretary Of State, and all those Republicans who helped them to abuse the power set forth in the constitution of the United States Of America.

I would add to that, a reminder, that this President's faulty judgement, and deceit, have been proven, by our own National Security Estimate, to have made us more at risk, and to have greatly increased the cause, determination, and numbers of our enemy.

I think your fears, are surely misplaced, and your accusations of partisanship, and lack of concern for factual information against me, are unfair, however, I do understand the angry disappointment you are dealing with over the last election results, and will overlook your unfair accusations in the interest of friendship, but I would humbly suggest that you read some of the material available, written by members of your own party, in their own acessments of this last Republican Majority Congress, the President, Vice President, Secretary of State and Defen [b]C[e, and their policies, and try to embrace the fact that so far this has been an illegal, incompetenct, deceitful, administration, and in fact, more so than any previous administration in our history, before accusing me of ignorance, hatred, and partisanship, and before generating fear over two Democratic women, who have worked very hard to have the opportunity to serve in our congress and Senate. I would also suggest to you that whiole we surely have some reasons for reasonable concern regarding the risk this country presently faces, as regards terrorism, that I, for one, am thrilled to hear Nancy Pelosi's promise to address, and implement, the safe gaurds, which were put forth by the 9/11 Commission, these many years later, and which the Bush administration, and Republican Majority, has earned failing grades in implimenting, as they PORKED, earmarked, and lavished themselves, and their coharts on K. Street, leaving this country, in the worst debt we have ever had to face, in history. Your fears, of two intelligent women in pants suits, are surely misplaced.

Gayle in Md.

pooltchr
11-12-2006, 10:04 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Steve,
Let's be fair. You, Deeman and Ed, and a few others who know who they are, have consistantly used the hate word against me on this forum for years, in order to dilute any criticisms against this President and the Republican party on my part.

<font color="red"> Let's be really fair. Your posts about the administration tend to be overloaded with emotional name calling wrapped around your opinions on the facts. The emotion far outweighs any factual information you might be bringing up. If you go back and read some of your posts, I think you can see why it is easy to assume a very strong emotional feeling to your posts that could be easily interperted to be hatred. </font color>

It's insulting to be accused of hatred, so now that you guys will have the opportunity to be critical of Democrats,
<font color="red"> I've always had the opportunity to be critical of Democrats. I don't need them to be in the majority to be critical. They have a long history that is well documented.</font color>

we centrists, which is what we really are,
<font color="red"> You??? Centrist????? Gayle, I don't know if I have ever met anyone farther from the center than your posts would indicate. </font color>


I gave George Bush a chance to show me who he would become once he took the office of the presidency, which is much more than you are doing so far, in regards Nancy Pelosi.
<font color="red"> We have had several years of Ms P's public service to evaluate her positions. This is nothing new. She has made her position quite clear that she wants to give away the country to illegal criminal invaders. Based on her past performance, I have no reason to think this is going to change. IMH, therefore, she is VERY dangerous! </font color>

I think your fears, are surely misplaced,
<font color="red"> I hope you are right, since we are going to have to live with the results of what she does in a position of leadership. </font color>

however, I do understand the angry disappointment you are dealing with over the last election results,
<font color="red"> Sorry, but I am neither angry, nor disappointed in the election. The Republican party abandoned their conservative principles, and found out that the majority of Americans didn't like it. They needed a wake-up call to hopefully bring them back in line with middle class America. Maybe this election will be it. </font color>

we surely have some reasons for reasonable concern regarding the risk this country presently faces, as regards terrorism, that I, for one, am thrilled to hear Nancy Pelosi's promise to address, and implement, the safe gaurds, which were put forth by the 9/11 Commission, these many years later,
<font color="red"> You are thrilled about this, but how do you feel about her granting amnesty to the illegals who are in our country, and telling them once they get it, they are welcome to bring in their families as well??? </font color>

Your fears, of two intelligent women in pants suits, are surely misplaced.
<font color="red"> Since you brought her up, you admitted yourself on this forum that you believe Ms Clinton is quite capable of putting her own personal agenda ahead of what is best for the country. How is that not something to be fearful of??? </font color>

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Steve

Gayle in MD
11-12-2006, 10:28 AM
I hate seeing any President, work relentlessly to destroy our system of checks and balances, use evasion to implement torture, sign every spednding bill that comes before him, fail to abide the law as regards our lwas on illegal alien immigration, work secretly to spy on american finances, and phone conversations without going by the legal lawful proceedures, and lie to the world and the country, using cherry picked intelligence, and refuse to listen to experts with much more experience than he has in prosecuting a war, putting our troops at greater un-necessary risk, and occupy a country in an effort to nation build. Now, if you think that is the outline of someone from the far left, , then I question your method of appraisal.

Yes, and IMO, it is far more open and honest, and far less destructive financially than the Republicans. We'll have to agree to disagree on this, I suppose, but IMO, hungry children, and disadvantaged people, permanently infured Veterans, and their families, and students trying to attend college, are far more deserving of a hand up than billionsaire Corporate CEO's and their designer jets, tax breaks, and accumulative hoarding of wealth, derrived at from cheating on their taxes, and hiding their money in other countries, as they outsource our jobs, and import cheap labor...again, not extreme left position.

You??? Centrist????? Gayle, I don't know if I have ever met anyone farther from the center than your posts would indicate. Really, interesting...I am for a right to own a gun, for fiscal responsibility, for small government, against illegal alien immigration, for the law of the land, for the Constitution, for open sunshine government and against secret deals behind closed doors, ie, Dick Cheney's Oil meetings, for women's rights, for equal pay for equal work, for strict oversight on social Security benefits, For pay as you go spending, for strict implementation of accepted law, and against Nation Building...Don't tell me those are extreme left positions.

As for Pelosi, she has been in the Congress for 19 years, and in that amount of time, she has never been involved in scandal, and IMO, has conducted herself in a very professional manner, particularly in the past week, in which she has stated over and over he intentions, which IMO, are of the utmost high intention. Neither of us can say what she will do for sure, but, as I stated before, I don't expect her to hold secret meetings with out Oil Cartel, cover up for pedofiles, accept bribes, break the law, lie to Americans, or fail to exxecute her job, which is to perform oversight on the executive branch, and lead the Congress in a professional manner. We'll have to wait to see what she does, but I would remind you, Ronald Reagan and George bush have extended more illegal invitations and amnesty than any other Americans, therefore, what we face now, is greatly caused by their policies. As in Iraq, Democrats have inherited huge debt, and unwinnable war, and out of control spending, unfair tax structure, and huge numbers of illegals, who it is a fact, came in much much larger numbers, because of REagan and Bush. Also, you misquote me, as I said that I did't see Hilliary as being the kind of statesman who would stand up without consideration for how it would affect her politically, not that she wouldn't TRY to do what is best for the country, only that I would prefer to see someone like Murtha, and Biden, run for the presidency. Howwever, I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party.

Gayle in Md.

these are the facts...
Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
11-12-2006, 12:11 PM
Gee Fats, may the wind blow your way... /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Your partsanship is glowing like strobe lights...I'd avoid that H word, if I were you.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Gayle in Md....So Proud I Did Not Vote For George Bush!!!!

pooltchr
11-12-2006, 12:51 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Also, you misquote me, as I said that I did't see Hilliary as being the kind of statesman who would stand up without consideration for how it would affect her politically, not that she wouldn't TRY to do what is best for the country, only that I would prefer to see someone like Murtha, and Biden, run for the presidency. Howwever, I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party.

Gayle in Md.

these are the facts...
Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Actually, we both misquoted you....here is exactly what you said:

Quote Gayle in MD:
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I respect her work ethic, and intellect, but she isn't a John Murtha, or Richard Clarke, type, who will stand up for the truth, in the best interest of our country, regardless of personal consequences.

Gayle in Md.

I take that to mean that you believe she could allow her personal interests to take priority over the best interest of the country.
Steve

Drop1
11-12-2006, 05:48 PM
There has to be compromise,at the table among the powers that be. Cool heads,need to look at the priorities,and dicide what was said in this election. I went to the Ameican Leigion tonight for diner,and of course the election was the subject for conversation,that and raising money to keep the post going. Anyway around the table were people from both parties,and each person had four minutes to state their thoughts. It was a very nice diner,and we all left friends.

Drop1
11-12-2006, 06:10 PM
"I fart in your direction"Mr.Fat Boy,that is not up to your standards. In the exchange of canine amenities,between you,and Wolfdancer you both demonstrated a talent for combat,but the field has been deserted. Please resume,if only for my amusment. Have you tried Hennesies Timeless at five thousand dollars a bottle,it should have a little something special. I'm flying to Columbia next week,to sample it. I hope its not all the Baccarat crystal,but the blend dating back to 1919 is mana on the side of my tounge.My new political party,"The Wallet Party" now has two members,my dog joined today.

Chopstick
11-13-2006, 04:58 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> Have you tried Hennesies Timeless at five thousand dollars a bottle,it should have a little something special. I'm flying to Columbia next week,to sample it. I hope its not all the Baccarat crystal,but the blend dating back to 1919 is mana on the side of my tounge.My new political party,"The Wallet Party" now has two members,my dog joined today. <hr /></blockquote>

Well now there's a political discussion I wouldn't mind having.
Sign me for that there Wallet Party. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

eg8r
11-13-2006, 05:51 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Some of it seems suspect, to me, considering that one of the first issues on her agenda, as she has stated, is to enforce, and fund, the recommendations of the 9/11 commission.
<hr /></blockquote> Yeah right. Welcome to the real world, where even your saints lie to the public. Pelosi will vote for all things that give aliens more rights simply because she wants their votes. They will vote for the Dem ticket every time and surprise surprise, guess where Pelosi's name will be?

eg8r

eg8r
11-13-2006, 05:54 AM
This is why Gayle loves her so much. Do as I say, not as I do. That is Pelosi's message (and multitudes of others in Politics) which is why Gayle is so fond of her.

eg8r

eg8r
11-13-2006, 05:58 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Mr.Fat Boy Sir, Thats not all that much money,if you look around,Madona made that much last year. <hr /></blockquote> If that much was handed to you, I bet you would think it was a lot of money. If you were in debt that much, I bet you would think it was a lot of money. So, what is the only way you can trivialize it, compare her against more wealthy people. This makes no sense, since she likes to act like she is for the middle and poor classes of the country. You need to take a look at it from their eyes. This should not be a newsflash for you but they would ALL see that as a lot of money. If what Fats says is true, then this woman is a Facist Corporate pig and Gayle just adores her for it.

eg8r

DickLeonard
11-13-2006, 06:05 AM
Qtec the only fun we will have for the next two years is George's and Dick's Impeachment. If we hurry Nancy can be President. So get used to it and close your mind like George and Karl and the rest of their group did.####

eg8r
11-13-2006, 06:06 AM
[ QUOTE ]
LOL...I just finished reading that...thanks for posting it, now I don't have to bother... <hr /></blockquote> Exactly. When Gayle is posting quotes from certain authors and those on this board mentioned their background, bias, etc Gayle did not like it and only wanted us to look at her "facts". Now that the tide has turned and the situation flips she is doing the very thing she despised. Surprise? Nope.

eg8r

eg8r
11-13-2006, 06:11 AM
[ QUOTE ]
The Dems are in power for 10 minutes and the character assassination has already begun. So much for unity! <hr /></blockquote> What a buffoon. Where has the unity been for the past 6 years. There is no unity. You see, you were naive enough to act like the Reps were the only ones with skeletons. The reason being is that they were the only ones in the news. That was because the Reps were on top. The Dem attack machine had to go hunting to uncover the skeletons. Well the Dems are now on top and it is time for their dirty laundry to come out.

You for sure would have been foolish enough to point out W being part of some secret "club" in college and start all types of conspiracy theories about it (character assasination?), however now that it might be done to the Dems, you are calling for unity. PATHETIC!

eg8r

pooltchr
11-13-2006, 06:46 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr> the only fun we will have for the next two years is George's and Dick's Impeachment. did.#### <hr /></blockquote>

Unfortunately, you may be right. I don't think too many of us will have any fun watching the stunts Ms P and friends will be trying to push down our throats in the next couple of years! /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Steve

Qtec
11-13-2006, 07:43 AM
[ QUOTE ]
What a buffoon. Where has the unity been for the past 6 years. <hr /></blockquote>

Mega flip-flopper that you are! For 6 years you have been moaning that the Dems should fall into line and blindly follow the Pres. Now that they have a majority, its a different story.

BTW, GW and Kerry were/ are both members of the Skull and Bones. Ask anybody! [ You don't know much.]
Get informed. /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q

eg8r
11-13-2006, 12:15 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Mega flip-flopper that you are! For 6 years you have been moaning that the Dems should fall into line and blindly follow the Pres. Now that they have a majority, its a different story.

BTW, GW and Kerry were/ are both members of the Skull and Bones. Ask anybody! [ You don't know much.]
Get informed. <hr /></blockquote> I am not flip flopping. I still believe the Dems should have done more to unite, however they were not willing to do it. Now you are asking why there is no unity? There has never been unity. Wake up.

As far as me not knowing much, lets just say I would not be sitting very pretty if I was left to look for any wisdom or intelligence from the likes of yourself. You obviously did not understand my point, call it lost in translation. Explaining anything to you just does not seem worth my time. Catch what you can, don't sweat the stuff floating above your head.

eg8r

Drop1
11-13-2006, 05:51 PM
Put you down for a thirty cent pledge to support the "Church of the Open Wallet,"and bought a bottle of "Southern Comfort,"in case "Timeless" is not available.I will send a car to pick you up at the airport.
Rev.Swiver

Qtec
11-14-2006, 08:48 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Where has the unity been for the past 6 years. <hr /></blockquote>

After 9/11 there was unity!
The country became divided after GW turned his attention to Iraq and proceeded to sell them a unneccessary war under false pretences.
Lets not forget that calling anyone who doesn't agree with GOP policy a traitor, terrorist sympathiser, threat to the country..etc....... or just a GW hater [ while avoiding the issue ! ]is not conducive to unity!!


unity GOP style (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/13/newt-in-94-vowed-to-investigate-clinton-for-2-years-as-his-platform/)

GW has divided America and the World.

Q

eg8r
11-14-2006, 10:34 AM
[ QUOTE ]
After 9/11 there was unity!
<hr /></blockquote> For a very short time. However we still had people around like yourself who were slamming the President for not jumping up and down and running out of the school to start ordering fighter jets into the air.

If all you said were true then why would you be calling for unity now? More than half the same players are still in the game. Nothing has really changed except for a few seats, and that certainly is not enough to change DC.

eg8r

Qtec
11-14-2006, 01:25 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
After 9/11 there was unity!
<hr /></blockquote> For a very short time. <font color="blue"> Whose fault was that? </font color> However we still had people around like yourself who were slamming the President for not jumping up and down and running out of the school to start ordering fighter jets into the air. <font color="blue"> Totally different subject. Nothing to do with unity. </font color>

If all you said were true then why would you be calling for unity now? More than half the same players are still in the game. Nothing has really changed except for a few seats, and that certainly is not enough to change DC.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

Whats changed is that that GW now needs the Dems!

Q

Drop1
11-14-2006, 01:38 PM
I have to be honest,and say no that is not a lot of money. If I broke what I'm paid, to a per hour scale,it comes to ninty six thousand dollars per hour. I labor in the harness six weeks a year,and I'm thinking of cutting back. I'm sure there are brighter,more educated,and far younger people than myself on this forum. One of them could be you. I really don't care how much money Pelosi has,or does not have I don't care about her voting record. She has already made some moves after the election,that I don't care for,but I need to allow her a little time. Remember, people are always a suprise.
Rev.Swiver

eg8r
11-15-2006, 07:16 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I don't care about her voting record. She has already made some moves after the election,that I don't care for,but I need to allow her a little time. Remember, people are always a suprise.
<hr /></blockquote> History always surprises. It is amazing how it repeats itself.

eg8r

eg8r
11-15-2006, 07:22 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> However we still had people around like yourself who were slamming the President for not jumping up and down and running out of the school to start ordering fighter jets into the air. <blockquote><font class="small">Quote q:</font><hr> Totally different subject. Nothing to do with unity.
<hr /></blockquote> <hr /></blockquote> You wish it was a totally different subject but it is not. We had tons of stupid comments like that when the planes hit and people did not like the way the President reacted. They began immeadiately. The issue is that that is just one example of zero unity, especially from blowhards like yourself who are on the outside wishing they were in.

[ QUOTE ]
Whats changed is that that GW now needs the Dems!
<hr /></blockquote> What would he possibly need the Dems for? He has already done what he wanted to do and he cannot be reelected, so what else is left for him? It is not like the Dems will turn down any domestic spending bill he could think of so the only issue is whether the Dems will try and force us out of Iraq leaving all our soldier's deaths in vain.

eg8r