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pooltchr
11-14-2006, 06:16 PM
Ms. Clinton has stated she will push for socialized medicine for our country. Considering the "success" it has been in Canada, this is a great idea! Anyone who has ever had the pleasure of being a patient at a VA Hospital can tell you how wonderful this plan is. The government should most definitely get into the health care business!

There is a reason they call it "socialized"...but then I have always suspected the senator from NY was a closet socialist!

Steve

Drop1
11-14-2006, 06:26 PM
She is out of her friggin mind. I have lived in four countries where the system was socialized,and watched my brother-inlaw die in Mexico,waiting nine hours for a Doctor. The miserable bitch better come up with a better answer.
Rev.Swiver

DickLeonard
11-15-2006, 06:18 AM
Pooltchr VA Hospitals are so underfunded it is a joke . The Administration cut their funding to the bone to fight in Iraq. No self respecting President would step foot in one. They are a National Disgrace, to think that is where a veteran goes for treatment boggles my mind.

What am I saying, raise my taxes to help anyone. Let them get health Insurance on their own.####

pooltchr
11-15-2006, 06:36 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr> Pooltchr VA Hospitals are so underfunded it is a joke . The Administration cut their funding to the bone to fight in Iraq. No self respecting President would step foot in one. They are a National Disgrace, to think that is where a veteran goes for treatment boggles my mind.

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Exactly! And what would make us expect a national health care system to be operated any better? The government can't run the VA hospitals effectively. If they were running all of them, every citizen in the country could expect the same as the vets have been getting for years.

Blaming the underfunding on Iraq is nuts. The VA hospitals have been in the same mess for years. They have NEVER offered the level of care we can find in the private sector.

Steve

Drop1
11-15-2006, 08:08 AM
Teach,we have to raise taxes,so we are not building dept,to pile on future generations. I have no doubt,that a National Care System would be a disaster,like the food stamp programs. Two problems right off the bat,insurance companies,and bloated medical fees from Doctors. Who pays for malpractice? How about capping legal fees. Is there a Country in the world where a health system works?

JPB
11-15-2006, 08:41 AM
There are many reasons why socialized medicine won't work. To a large extent our system is already hurt because of the socialized programs. I don't understand it fully, but in many states you need governmental permission to build a hospital so as to prevent too much competition. Because hospitals have to take the welfare cases they need paying customers too. I think there are also doctor shortages, which is no surprise and was predicted in the '60's when medicare and medicaid passed. If you have a shortage the quality of the doctors will go down.

The other thing that I don't see discussed is the availability of travel and globalization in general. All it takes is for a smart country to open up its doors. Build a sweet airport, new hospitals, allow stem cell research, and let doctors earn tax free or very close to it. Maybe let them shelter assets in a favorable banking system. A country like Costa Rica could really impact the system, because people with money would gladly go for good care rather than socialized crap care, except in emergencies. When things get bad enough here, that will happen.

Chopstick
11-15-2006, 09:39 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote JPB:</font><hr>

The other thing that I don't see discussed is the availability of travel and globalization in general. All it takes is for a smart country to open up its doors. Build a sweet airport, new hospitals, allow stem cell research, and let doctors earn tax free or very close to it. Maybe let them shelter assets in a favorable banking system. A country like Costa Rica could really impact the system, because people with money would gladly go for good care rather than socialized crap care, except in emergencies. When things get bad enough here, that will happen.

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I think it is already happening. I saw a documentary on the Thai medical industry. They have tied into the vacation resort businesses. They will do a first class boob job for a fraction of the cost in other countries. Go have a nice vacation and come home with a new pair. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

From what I understand they are doing other medical procedures as well.

Deeman3
11-15-2006, 09:47 AM
Chop,

When I lived in Thailand, 1997-1999, the main business in health care was sex change operations. You could self medicate easily enough as you needed no prescription for anything. Dental care was o.k if you had the money but the medical care, at that time, was a few years behind the times. We had to come back to America for any serious health issues. I found the health care in Germany pretty good as long as you were in private insurance and not on the government lines. If they socialize here, those of us who can afford it will still use the few doctors that will be outside the system and everyone else will just have to wait.

By the way, under those systems, the ones that now get free care at emergency roms where we pick up the tab are moved to the back of that long line but, technically, they will then have available heealth care.


DeeMan

DickLeonard
11-16-2006, 06:34 AM
Pooltchr I am not blaming the underfunding at VA hospitals on Iraq. I was only repeating what our local VA was saying as the reason they don't have the funds to treat returning Vets. Since the start of the Iraq Incursion their funds have been slashed. The percentage slips my mind but 24 sticks in my mind.

Our local Republican Congressmen was featured in an ad with a Vet in a wheel chair. The ad sponsored by the Vets of America, it said the Congressmen voted for 8 pay raises for himself while voting to cut funding for the Vets. He is now an ex-Congressmen, Thank God ####

pooltchr
11-16-2006, 06:08 PM
So if congress cuts funding to the vets, what do you suppose will happen if the government takes over the entire health care system. Will the funds magically appear? Will they cut more spending on vets to pay for a national health care system? Or will it become another federal boondoggle like every other program the government tries to run? I can find no good reason whatsoever to turn the best healthcare system in the world over to a bunch of overpaid lawyer/politicians. They are already running enough aspects of our lives into the ground (take public education for example). We don't need socialized medicine, although when they grant amnesty to millions of illegal invaders and give them voting rights, they just might get enough support for it.
You and Gayle have been telling us how the Republicans have been running the country into the ground for several years. My friend, you ain't seen nothing yet!!
Steve

Gayle in MD
11-17-2006, 06:36 AM
LOL...yeah, just Dick and Gayle have been telling you that, LMAO! I think the whole country told you that in the last election, you just weren't listening.

I agree with you, BTW, and think the federal government should shrink itself down to a pulp. Unfortuantely, it just keeps on growing by leqaps and bounds, and we've seen it grow with unprecedented speed in the last six years under the Republicans, incompetent though they have been, they didn't have any problem growing the Government, and the deficits, beyond anything this country has EVER seen. I'm sure there will atleast be investigations into the corrupt overcharges in Iraq, by Halliburton, and the wasteful and incompetent way which Bush's people handled tax payers money overthere, now that Democrats are in power. Do you think that's a good thing to do, Steve? don't you think that Halliburton should have to answer for stealing money from our troops? Because that's just what they did, among other un-American activities.

Gayle in Md.



Gayle in Md.

DickLeonard
11-17-2006, 07:14 AM
Pooltchr I have to agree about Federal Boondoggles. The War in Iraq,Katrina,Haliburton everything they touch turns to PooP. Then more money has to be spent to Clean Up the POOP.

How do we get honest/smart people to manage Programs when every election the Victors replace them with Idiots. The Patriot Act turned into The Patronage Act. How can the President talk about being tough on terriorist and appoint not one qualified person to Run the Dept.

Impeachment can't come fast enough.####

Fran Crimi
11-17-2006, 09:59 AM
Don't you know her schtick by now? That's just the Clinton polling machine at work. Hillary has one goal right now, and that's to get herself the highest poll numbers of anyone in her party as a potential presidential candidate. She needs those numbers to get the support of her party. Right now, everything she does and says is very carefully orchestrated. Guaranteed her comments on that were the result of a poll.

I heard on the radio one of those "man on the street" type segments where an average Joe in NYC was asked if he would vote for Hillary for President. He said yes. When asked why, he said, because "Hillary is for the people". When asked what he meant by that, he said he didn't know, only that he felt she was for the people. When asked if he knew who the Vice President of the United States is, he said he didn't know.

Fran