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Fran Crimi
11-18-2006, 07:51 AM
Get rid of it or get rid of the polluters. Phew! it stinks!

Fran Crimi
11-18-2006, 08:09 AM
Here you go, enjoy!

Your very own political forum (http://www.politicalforum.com/)

Fran Crimi
11-18-2006, 08:16 AM
Here's another one you can go to. Enjoy!

another political forum (http://www.uspoliticsforum.com/)

dg-in-centralpa
11-18-2006, 09:35 AM
Fran,
I agree but you remember what happened when I said something. Then it became "Look how many viewed your post of something funny compared to mine which is political."

DG - I,too, wish there was a political forum here away from the NPR side

Fran Crimi
11-18-2006, 10:07 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> Fran,
I agree but you remember what happened when I said something. Then it became "Look how many viewed your post of something funny compared to mine which is political."

DG - I,too, wish there was a political forum here away from the NPR side <hr /></blockquote>

Yes, I do remember how you were responded to. Rome wasn't built in a day. It took a long time for them to turn this into a political forum. It won't change overnight. Don't give up hope. Let's you and I and anyone who wants to join in, have some fun. Life isn't always as miserable as some people may want us to think. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fran

Rich R.
11-18-2006, 02:20 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fran Crimi:</font><hr>Yes, I do remember how you were responded to. Rome wasn't built in a day. It took a long time for them to turn this into a political forum. It won't change overnight. Don't give up hope. Let's you and I and anyone who wants to join in, have some fun. Life isn't always as miserable as some people may want us to think. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>
I agree with you both.
For quite some time, I have wondered why these people, if they are so politically inclined, do not go to a political forum. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

dg-in-centralpa
11-18-2006, 10:06 PM
Maybe they did, and realize that posting someone else's article and not having anything to say on their own, wasn't going to make it with someone who really knows what is happening. Here they feel important because they get a response.

DG

Qtec
11-18-2006, 10:38 PM
Not content with complaining about threads in which you don't even participate- you don't HAVE to read them you know- you are now making personal comments about people you know absolutely nothing about!

BTW, When I joined this board, before the Iraq invasion, the NPR was full of political threads. I can't remember anyone complaining!

Q

nAz
11-18-2006, 11:55 PM
lol no one complained because bUSH's job approval was hovering around %90.

nAz
11-19-2006, 12:17 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote dg-in-centralpa:</font><hr> Maybe they did, and realize that posting someone else's article and not having anything to say on their own, wasn't going to make it with someone who really knows what is happening. Here they feel important because they get a response.

DG <hr /></blockquote>

I can't agree with you on that, just cause someone paste something here that they read somewhere else especially when it is news does not mean they "don't know whats happening" take Gayle she has been saying for over 5 years how bad Bush is and will be and how bad the idea of going into Iraq would be... and guess what she was right. BTW believe me she does spend time lots of it at different political action sites... did you know that she also spends time visiting with returning wounded troops?

I think she came to these conclusions based on the millions of books she has read. I see nothing wrong clipping news items that supported her accurate position.

Now it is true she likes to mess with the enemy err I mean the bush supporters /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif but believe me she only does that to get a kick out of it, plus the fact that they wont admit that she was right. or that bush was wrong which make her right about bush being wrong lol /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

ok i got some cool non political related stuff to post on the non pool related section of ccb.... stay tuned. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

FatsRedux
11-19-2006, 12:37 AM
Is this all there is to life Manolo? I can't even write a leetle post,...on account of the forum EES POH-LOO-TED!!

Fats

nAz
11-19-2006, 12:47 AM
to qoute Ronald Reagan "there you go again" lol

Fran Crimi
11-19-2006, 06:22 AM
Too bad. I'm not going away. You are out of control here. I've told you this over and over. You all act like fighting children. You don't like it? Go somewhere else.

Fran Crimi
11-19-2006, 06:24 AM
You're wrong, nAz. It's gotten worse and worse over time. It's infested with political yelling. It was never this bad.

Fran Crimi
11-19-2006, 06:31 AM
Hey nAz. Spin it however you like. The bottom line is that it's so polluted around here it stinks to high heaven.

Really looking forward to your NPR --- NON POLITICAL RELATED Posts. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fran

Qtec
11-19-2006, 06:46 AM
I just checked the last 5 pages of threads. OUT of a total of 160 threads, 5 were started by me- 2 political and 3 non-political. I don't think thats excessive.

Q

Fran Crimi
11-19-2006, 06:48 AM
Good for you! You're getting much better. So, when will you stop? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gayle in MD
11-19-2006, 06:51 AM
BWA HA HA HA...eetz poh loo ted with complaints of people who also post political posts, who are put out when they have to go through the agonizing exercise of scrolling on by. How dare any of us post anything here unless it is satisfactory to the peanut gallery! After all, we should know, by now, that we aren't as important, as some, I mean, really, who do we think we are, anyway??? Posting what we like, in an open forum, /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif sheeesh!

Gayle in Md.

Fran Crimi
11-19-2006, 06:55 AM
Laugh all you like. If "messing with people" as nAz so succintly put it, is what makes you happy, go for it. I'm not here to control this website. I'm here just to express my opinion, just like you. You don't have to read what I have to say. Just scroll on by, like I generally do with you, except when you respond to a thread I've started.

Gayle in MD
11-19-2006, 07:18 AM
Hey Fran, I think you're being silly. None of us here takes any of this seriously. You shouldn't either, IMO. I didn't post to you, specifically, as you asked me not to, however, apparently, you retain the right to post about me, whenever you feel like it, and make your insinuations about me, as you see fit, and as you did in the thread about Murtha, and other threads...but hey, that's OK, have at it. I just think it's a regular riot, that adults, would think they have any more rights about what can and can't be posted in an open forum, than anyone else. Generally speaking, if one isn't happy about the environment, one removes oneself, that's what adults do. I've been posting on this forum for years, have friends here, and I abide by the rules. If you, or Rich, or Barbara, or DG., or anyone else, for that matter, don't like this side of the board, or can't abide scrolling past posts that are of interest to others, but of no interest to you, tough! Deal.

Gayle in Md.

Drop1
11-19-2006, 12:58 PM
I think Deal should read "[censored]"

Drop1
11-19-2006, 01:01 PM
Censored read "S**T" /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gayle in MD
11-19-2006, 05:49 PM
/ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

FatsRedux
11-20-2006, 01:23 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> BWA HA HA HA...eetz poh loo ted with complaints of people who also post political posts, who are put out when they have to go through the agonizing exercise of scrolling on by. How dare any of us post anything here unless it is satisfactory to the peanut gallery! After all, we should know, by now, that we aren't as important, as some, I mean, really, who do we think we are, anyway??? Posting what we like, in an open forum, /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif sheeesh!

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

I eat octopus every day, I got freaking octopuss coming out my freaking ears. How would dey like it if someone told 'em what to do, where to work, where to live, what to post. Not me man..I don't wanna be like no cheep, you know BAAAA BAAAA. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

El Gordo

9 Ball Girl
11-20-2006, 07:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote FatsRedux:</font><hr> I eat octopus every day, I got freaking octopuss coming out my freaking ears. How would dey like it if someone told 'em what to do, where to work, where to live, what to post. Not me man..I don't wanna be like no cheep, you know BAAAA BAAAA. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

El Gordo <hr /></blockquote>Fats wants his fukcing human rights. Just like Pres. Jimmy Carter says...

LOL

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 08:08 AM
/ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Yeah, just more hubris, from the party of dictatorship. Personally, I think the political debate here, has become more civil than ever before. Many people, formerly irrate personality clashes, have burried the hatchet, and endeavor to debate the issues of the day in a much more civil manner, some of them even forging friendships, where earlier, they were like oil and vinegar.

The very idea, that some would seek to silence political debate, at a time when our policies have taken a global nose dive, shows me that America is in trouble. This attitude, has been promoted by the Bush administration, and the Republican party, and it started with Bush's ...."You're either for us, or you're against us." Simplistic thinking, designed to silence opposing opinion. We're in this mess, because not enough people with reservations over this administration's unreasonable, unrealistic policies, spoke out in advance of the occupation in Iraq. Those who did speak out, were banished from service, and publically ridiculed, compared to the terrorists, and worse. Now that time has shown the results, of incompetence, deceit and corruption, we're all supposed to shut up about it. Let's not take any chances at learning from mistakes, if it involves exposing those whose decision making, and expectations, were way off the beam. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

There has never been a time, IMO, when the importance of public debate, was more necessary than right now. Without public debate, there can be no accountability, and without accountability, there can be no correction, without corrections, there can be no improvment, no changing the course, when policy is failing. People need to get over their personal distaste for debate and examination, and think about what is best for the country, and our troops.

Gayle in Md.

Drop1
11-20-2006, 09:45 AM
Oyes Sr.Muchacho Gordo,Yo estaba piensando que podimos escribir no mas en ingles,y asi es impossible a ofender nuestros amigos a la derecha. Es un buen idea no? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

wolfdancer
11-20-2006, 11:41 AM
DG, I'm disappointed in your post.....it's not only illogical, it's a cheap shot.
If Gayle reprints an article here, or quotes from a book, C-Span, etc....that proves to you she doesn't know anything herself about the topic????
Authors themselves ref. other authors to authenticate their viewpoint. So if we can't believe in the above sources of info....maybe then Fox news????
And while I am the least knowledgeable here about politics, I'd guess if I went to one of those political sites, where the people "really know" they might just correct my erroneous posts, instead of the barrage of personal slurs that accompany each "liberal" post here (that's what intelligent, all knowing people do)
And the only way I would feel important about making a political post here, is if I had important info that no one else had. anything I add has already been in print, or aired on TV.
Since I have seen many political posts here from the "right", that were never complained about, the implication is that it's only posts from the other side, you'd like to see banned.
Why do you folks read anything by Gayle, Dick Leonard, or even myself, if it's going to upset you, knowing it not only will be anti-GWB...it'll have as a source, somebody with credentials??????
Merely replying that it stinks, or is hateful...is not that impressive, once you pass 4th grade.
There are so many others posting "good right-wing rhetoric" here...Ed, Steve, Deeman, Rich, Fran....these are the folks in the know, that you should confine your reading to...instead of reading us trash-talking, no-nothings

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 11:57 AM
"These people" Rich? Which are "These People?" Where do you four or five people who keep harping about other posters posts, get off trying to dictate what is posted in an open forum? Why the hell do you ALL keep reading them? And, if you're not reading them, as Fran claims she isn't, then why the hell are you complaining? Hey, I stopped reading all the hot arguements on the damn elbow drop, or no elbow drop, years ago, and didn't complain about it once. I scrolled past pornography, from Florida and Hamiltucky, for years, and never once complained about it. I guess, I must know my place in the world, since I don't expect others, to do as I say, but understand, that it's your own responsibility what you read. Is your little group mad, because your presence here is being diluted by posts that don't revolve around you? Get over it! I hardly think that Billiards Digest would want to be accused of censoring free speech and political posts now, after allowing them all these years, before Bush was exposed as a lame duck author of a failing policy.

You don't like them. Simple, don't read them. Who do you think you are, anyway?

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
11-20-2006, 12:05 PM
Gayle, this is the worst thread ever in my opinion....I'm sorry I replied to it....but DG's reply made so little sense to me, I did.
I have this picture in my mind of kids telling each other "you stink"
Like I've written before...I'd rather see the article itself challenged, then just name-calling the poster...
Unfortunately......the truth hurts at times, when it goes against your beliefs.
Here's a hateful add-on....
On "Comic Relief", sat night...they mentioned one of GWB's outstanding appointments; a Doctor to some important medical group. Seems later on the Doc's wife charged him with anally raping her, but the Doctor, a Gynecologist, replied he was drunk and got a little mixed up....didn't deny the rape, by the way. Wonder what Med school he graduated from...University of Phoenix online?
I'd hope that the folks that voted in Bush and are his ardent supporters....have a little concern about some of his friends....and appointments????
He may be the best Republican President since Warren Harding, but a little more discretion would be in order???
A little bit on President Harding, from the whitehouse.gov

Before his nomination, Warren G. Harding declared, "America's present need is not heroics, but healing; not nostrums, but normalcy; not revolution, but restoration; not agitation, but adjustment; not surgery, but serenity; not the dramatic, but the dispassionate; not experiment, but equipoise; not submergence in internationality, but sustainment in triumphant nationality...."

A Democratic leader, William Gibbs McAdoo, called Harding's speeches "an army of pompous phrases moving across the landscape in search of an idea." Their very murkiness was effective, since Harding's pronouncements remained unclear on the League of Nations, in contrast to the impassioned crusade of the Democratic candidates, Governor James M. Cox of Ohio and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Thirty-one distinguished Republicans had signed a manifesto assuring voters that a vote for Harding was a vote for the League. But Harding interpreted his election as a mandate to stay out of the League of Nations."
So he got it just 180' wrong.....sound familiar????

wolfdancer
11-20-2006, 12:12 PM
Gayle, it's simple...those people don't like to see posts from these people....but they read them to find a flaw, something they can attack...like the two years they spent denouncing Bill Clinton's affair with an adult female....but don't wish to discuss any new scandals.
Why bother trying to have any meaningful discussion?

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 12:18 PM
Bravo! Hey, apathetic militants should take over the world, only no one would notice. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif The whole country is focussed on the importance of our present circumstances in the Middle East, and these "Patriots" don't want us to write anything about it, unless, ofcourse, it's something trivial, or it supports their political philosophy.

Hmmm...apathetic militants??? Is that an oxymoron?

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
11-20-2006, 12:38 PM
Barbara just added that Dg "nailed it"
It leads me to two conclusions....either I am the dumbest poster here for not being able to follow the deduction behind their reasonings....and I admit I ain't too smart
OR..............
either, or, either, or...I'll flip a coin

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 12:40 PM
I know how you feel, friend. This thread is the only thread on this whole page that was designed specifically for provocation, and condemnation. I know I've posted the definition of evil here before, but it deserves some reiteration.

"The exercise of political power, in other words, the exercise of one's will, by overt, or covert, coersion, in order to avoid spiritual growth."

The key word, being "Growth" of course.

I personally subscribe to the philosophy of live, and let live, above all else. I will never understand, those who don't get it. I often wonder, of that sage advice, "Know thyself," doesn't it also mean, know and accept your place in the world? Authoritarian endeavors, never emerge from the autonamous rhelm.

Gayle in Md.

FatsRedux
11-20-2006, 12:48 PM
Apathetic militants? The Passive Agressive Liberation Front?

Fats

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 01:12 PM
/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif No, just a little joke...there's nothing passive about me, passion only, lol. Wolf understands my humor... /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
11-20-2006, 01:24 PM
Gayle, I made a big mistake in my stinky reply to DG, and then Barbara, re:for supporting DG's absurd statement.
There are people that can read newspapers, articles, books, watch news on TV....and not form their own opinions about current affairs.
They are called "Republicans" !!!
The rest are in special-ed programs.

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 01:34 PM
LMAO...hey, I read those posts. Pass the Glade!!! You know how badly rotten eggs stink! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Love,
Gayle....Hey, ya know, I'll bet I write that word, "LOVE" on here more than anyone else! Ha, never thought of that before.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

dg-in-centralpa
11-20-2006, 02:00 PM
Wolf,
Let me clarify my post. Personally I don't put much faith in an article written by someone I don't know because it's someone else's opinion. No matter whether it's Republican or Democrat. I can comment on the opinion but I won't accept it as fact. Many of Gayle's and Q's posts, and I haven't read any of theirs since my last post about them, have been articles written by someone else and not much said by either one of their own comments. I'm sure someone could find just as much to post supporting the Pres. as against. About a year ago, I spoke with someone who just got back from Iraq, and posted her thoughts, which were positive. I was chastised and put down because this person didn't know what they were talking about. How can that be? It came straight from her mouth, not someone writing an editorial. That is my complaint. The political posts all seemed to be saying the same thing, different writer of the article in the paper/website whichever.

DG - hope this helps

wolfdancer
11-20-2006, 02:32 PM
All I can add is that most of what Gayle posts, have as their source, accredited authors. You can choose not to believe them, her opinion is they are correct......I see today where Henry Kissinger says the war is now unwinnable? That's his opinion, since he can't possibly know all the facts. I wouldn't post that as something set in stone...but it is an interesting comment from him.
Does the mere mention of that.....meet the criteria for hateful, stinky?....it does prove though, that I don't have enough facts to form my own opinion re: that topic.

dg-in-centralpa
11-20-2006, 03:01 PM
I never called them hateful or stinky. I just don't trust anyone in the media because it is always slanted to one side or the other. Even in my little hick town, our local newspaper's writers have slanted views on local happenings and not just politics. Each side can write something and someone will say it's gospel. Who's right and who's wrong? Each side will say they are right and have inside info. Time will tell. I did not vote for Kerry and I did not vote for Bush. I was not thrilled with either of them. I am not condemning Gayle or Q personally, I am tired of the same old same old. I don't read their posts anymore, so if they have posted something different, I apologize. To me it always seemed that if you didn't agree with them, they would bite your head off. Again only my opinion. Does Gayle wear her emotions on her sleeve? Yes, and this can be both good and bad.Good that she is passionate about her beliefs and bad because she doesn't always listen someone else's point of view, especially if it's different from hers.

DG

pooltchr
11-20-2006, 03:34 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> All I can add is that most of what Gayle posts, have as their source, accredited authors.
<hr /></blockquote>

Wolf,
Accredited authors doesn't really mean anything. John Grisham is an accredited author, but it doesn't make his writing factual.
Anyone can be an accredited author. The criteria is not that you write factual books, only that you write something that makes money for the publisher. Most of us here have read different books on the subject of pool. I have read many myself, and can tell you I have yet to find one that was correct on every point.
As Boortz is fond of saying...don't believe anything you hear on my show unless you personally verify the facts yourself.

Mark Twain once said "Be careful when reading medical books...you could die from a misprint".
Steve

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 03:44 PM
Who do you think you are? You don't know me, have never met me, and yet, you posted a post, singling me, and Q out, and no one else who posts about politics on here? You can claim non partisan all you like, but it's clear as a bell that you can't abide opposing opinions.

FYI, my opinions are always stated. I'm not in the habbit of posting links only, unless the subject has already been covered by yours truly. I listen, (read) all opinions which are posted here, they may not change my mind, and perhaps, that is what is really in your craw.

Please, don't compare, you little town newspaper, to Nobel Prize winning Journalism, by respected Journalists, expert involved Generals, and first hand conversations which I have had with many many troops. How many troops have you spoken with over these last horrible years in Iraq? Not thousands, I'm sure.

A heated debate, is one thing. Being incredibly rude, as you have been to me, is quite another. Wearing one's feelings on their sleve, has absolutely nothing to do with being a responsible citizen, who feels that when our people are being killed and wounded, in a war which many experts say cannot be won militarily, the launching of which was questionable from the start, to say the least, and writing one's opinions, with credible links to support them, is a duty, given what I see weekly, and what I have studied, over time. Of all the posts that have ever been posted here, yours was the most childish, and the pettiest, hands down.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 03:53 PM
Steve,
I can assure you, none of my reading material was authored by Journalists, with flimsey credentials. You may singel out one word, in Wolfdancers post, accredited, as cause for diluting his point, but I think most would have understood his overall meaning.

At this point, there is litterally mountains of evidence available regarding the build up to this war, George Bush, on every aspect of this war. Trying to discredit all of it, is rather pointless, at this stage, wouldn't you say???

Gayle in Md.

dg-in-centralpa
11-20-2006, 05:00 PM
Gayle,
We'll just have to agree to disagree. In my post, I have not belittled you, berated you, called you names, or anything of the such. I have agreed with your passion. You have missed my point. Sorry to have ruffled your feathers. If you don't agree with people's opinion, that's fine with me, but don't berate them. As for singling out you and Q, yes I did because most of the posts are from the two of you. This is my opinion and mine only.

DG

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 05:13 PM
Yes, it is your opinion only. I respond to far far more posts, than I originate. You should check out the archives, sometime...you'll see, that I originate very few posts. Furthermore, I didn't post here for over a month, after your call for a vote...about what could and couldn't be posted or written about. The political posts, continued. They went on, before I ever posted any, and will go on long after I leave.

Tell me, did you feel that calling for a vote, for the purpose of preventing others from posting about their interests, was a grown up way to handle yourself? I'm not being sarcastic, I just find it to be completely outrageous, that anyone would fanigle to dictate what others may or may not post about, and then to call for a vote, and single out two people, among all the others who post about the same issues, well, I just wonder, now you've had the chance to think about it, did you think that was a reasonable thing for an adult to do?

Honestly, I haven't seen this kins of behavior, since Junior High School...and I'm not being sarcastic, or rude, that is the simple truth.

Gayle in Md.

dg-in-centralpa
11-20-2006, 05:47 PM
My call for a vote was simply to see whether I was the only one who was tired of all the political posts. Some people spoke out publicly and others spoke to me in private. Apparently the majority has spoken because the political posts are still going on. So what did my vote mean? Absolutely squat. So you won, I concede to you. Being childish? Come on be reasonable, how was I to find out from everyone? PM everybody? Then I could have handpicked my people. That isn't the democratic way. So I opened it to everybody. Let the voters decide. I had people against you and for you PM me, and I responded to everyone with my thoughts. I think they all understood where I was coming from because no one got angry with me. Let's agree to end our differences here. Fair?

DG

DG

pooltchr
11-20-2006, 06:11 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Steve,
I can assure you, none of my reading material was authored by Journalists, with flimsey credentials. You may singel out one word, in Wolfdancers post, accredited, as cause for diluting his point, but I think most would have understood his overall meaning.

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Gayle,
My point was simply that just because someone writes a book doesn't make it true. Writers, Authors, journalists can all write the truth, but by selectively presenting facts, lead the reader to different conclusions.

I dare say you and I could both write a book on the same subject, include nothing that was not true, and yet have the readers see things completely differently.

Writers write book to make money. They get published because people will buy the books...not because they present a true and unbiased view of a subject.

Anyone who believes something they read, simply because it was written in a book is going to end up with a lot of mis-information. If you can't verify the facts on your own, you are only getting one person's opinion. There are two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere in between.

Steve

wolfdancer
11-20-2006, 06:12 PM
you're comparing John Grisham to John Dean, or the many other former insiders to make your point?.
Accredited in the sense I wrote it...was intimate knowledge of facts and data, of the topic they wrote about

wolfdancer
11-20-2006, 06:18 PM
There's facts - and then there's innuendo....
"The Effect of Headlines on the Interpretation of News Stories"
web page (http://www.editteach.org/journalism_research?research_id=31)

Gayle in MD
11-20-2006, 11:23 PM
I want you to know something, DG, I NEVER hold grudges. I never banish friends from my life over differing opinions, especailly about politics! I value and cherish every single person that I come in contact with in my life, and I try, the best I can, to portray to them that I value them, to lend them a hand if I think they need a hand, and to the best of my ability, I try not to ever leave any upset in my wake. These heated debates on here are symptomatic of the state of our country, but believe me when I say, the divisive intercourse, serves a function, because communication is the ONLY route to understanding.

I want you to know that if I am ever to come across you, or you and your wife, and someone said, "Oh, there's DG over there," I'd be out of my chair in a flash, and extend my hand, and say, "Well, hi, I'm Gayle from Maryland, it's nice to finally meet you." That's who I am, and that's how I am. Sure, I can get mad as hell, especially when I'm attacked, or unfairly judged, or protrayed, anyone would, but it's gone in a flash, and every single person I meet, gets a shot, regardless of what I've heard, or been told. I take people as I find them.

While I don't agree with what you did, or the way that you did it, It's done. Let's forget it, and move on.

All the best...

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
11-21-2006, 12:28 AM
I understood your point, Steve, but you do not address the fact that the authors of these books, in many cases, are people who were on the scene, and were certainly not interested in making money on a book, they had plenty of money already. Many of them were even in a process of admitting that they're original pro Bush, pro Iraq, position, was wrong. Some, actually, not some, but many, were from the extreme right neocon movement, archetects of it in fact, and some were people who gave up promotions, and larger retirements, out of patriotism, but the bottom line on it is that they're all saying the same thing. Books upon books upon books, articles upon articles upon articles, and even die hard Bush supporters, do not give passing grades on Bush's policies. If one is reading the available information along the way, it isn't hard at all to decipher between the hacks, and the accurate journalism, to determine for oneself, the best and most acurate version of the truth. IMO, any effort, at this point, to deny a virtual library of concensus regarding George Bush, and this corrupt, incompetent administration, and the disasterous results, documented even in our own official Government assessments, is most surely grabbing at straws, IMO. The days of effective Denial, are long long ago gone, at this point. The overview, is now, agreed upon, and accepted by the masses, painful as that may be, it is undeniable.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
11-21-2006, 08:08 AM
didn't go back as far as you did, Q, but out of the last 52 posts, I originated six, one, was a recommendation for a news show, (about 9/11) - one N/P for a website, one about Hunger/politics - one N/p about the year 1906, one about religion/politics/C-Span - one comparing Vietnam and Iraq - that's four political posts, if News alerts count as a political post, four out of my six, out of fifty-two --- I don't think that's excessive either. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Now here's the interesting part, I responded to fourteen political posts, that I didn't originate. I think that is proof right there, that we're being singled out, not because we're filling this board up by originating political posts, but that some people don't like our opinions, and want to silence us. It's also show that there are many more than just the two of us, who are interested in current events.

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Gayle in Md. Personally, I think we should ban all pool related posts about aiming systems, SPFF, cue tips, and elbow drop, LMAO !!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif