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griffith_d
07-18-2002, 02:24 PM
Would anyone have a suggestion that a Meucci HOF-1 with a Predator 314 shaft be a good setup, or would it be better to purchase a new cue with the 314.

Griff

Tom_In_Cincy
07-18-2002, 03:56 PM
Griffth
Why not just buy a Predator Cue?
Unless its the looks of the butt?

TomBrooklyn
07-18-2002, 04:45 PM
Griffith,

Would you mind explaining why you are considering taking a Muecci black dot cue, the shaft of which is unequalled in the world in causing the lowest cue ball squirt, and changing it to a Predator shaft, which is only the second best, or actually third best after the Meucci red dot?

It is my impression that most people want a Predator shaft to reduce cue ball squirt.
Also, despite the supposed increase in radial consistency created by the pie shaped laminations, some Predator shafts have tested to be radially less consistent than the Meucci red dots. I have yet to see the performance of the new black dots, but they are suppossedly more radially consistant than the red dots, although frankly, I don't understand how they achieved this with flat laminations.

I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who attends the BCA Trade Show in New Orleans next week and who checks out the radial consistancy measurements that Meucci will demostrate at his booth.

griffith_d
07-18-2002, 05:28 PM
I am not sure I want another Predator (I just bought the BK, which is very nice), not that there is any wrong with them, I was looking at Schon or a custom made.

But, if it might be a good thing, I would get the shaft for the Meucci and save some money.

Griff

griffith_d
07-18-2002, 05:32 PM
Actually I have the red dot and am not dissatisfied, I was taking a liking to the 314 on my BK and was curious about getting a 314 for my playing stick and if anyone else had the same experience with a Meucci/314 and how it was for them.

I was concerned about the looks, feel of the shaft and butt not matching up smooth and being a little offset because of overlap.

Griff

Cueless Joey
07-18-2002, 05:37 PM
Meucci cues and shafts are the best. Think how many pros play with Meucci cues without getting compensated for it.
Don't bother. LOL
I can't wait for Meucci next shaft. Polka Dot?

griffith_d
07-18-2002, 06:20 PM
There are a lot of laminated shafts:

Terminator http://terminatorshaft.com/

SledgeHammer by Mike Gulyassy http://www.babysproshop.com/

Devastator and Devastator II http://www.barringercues.com/

Black Dot http://www.meuccicues.com/BlackDot.htm

314 http://www.predatorcues.com/english/314shaft.htm

I am sure they are all good shafts,...it is hard to know what to get and will be best for you and stay within your budget.

After playing with the 314 on the BK, it sure does hit good. I just wasn't sure about buying a new cue just to get the shaft,...that came out sounding funny.

Griff

07-18-2002, 08:45 PM
Every show Predator attends, they bring more Meucci fits to than the last. They still sell out by day two. If you like the Predator hit, get the shaft. (Wow, that does sound funny! /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif ) You can even send it out to your local repair guy, and he'll match up the collar for you. Only the 314 will give you away!
PS. Tom? I think? Many of us don't even have a clue what squirt is or when we experience it. There are many other reasons to hit with a Predator! /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif Not trying to start a fight here, but this is a fact.

griffith_d
07-18-2002, 08:58 PM
I talked to Seybert's where I go the BK and they said that their cuemaker could match the shaft perfectly to the butt, even down to the silver ring.

I guess I should send in my butt to get the shaft,...that sounded funny again.

Griff

griffith_d
07-18-2002, 09:01 PM
Hey Lorri, I see you are a Master Gardener,....I have had a large vegetable garden in the past.

What do you grow/do for a living?

Griff

Cueless Joey
07-18-2002, 09:02 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Lorri:</font><hr> Every show Predator attends, they bring more Meucci fits to than the last. They still sell out by day two. If you like the Predator hit, get the shaft. (Wow, that does sound funny! /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif ) You can even send it out to your local repair guy, and he'll match up the collar for you. Only the 314 will give you away!
PS. Tom? I think? Many of us don't even have a clue what squirt is or when we experience it. There are many other reasons to hit with a Predator! /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif Not trying to start a fight here, but this is a fact. <hr></blockquote>........
Predator has squirt? The Red Dot is better then. Bob claims it has ZERO deflection. The new Black Dot eliminates squirt b4 you even go to the pool hall.

07-19-2002, 03:24 AM
Why not the whole Predator cue?

Rich R.
07-19-2002, 04:04 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: griffith_d:</font><hr> There are a lot of laminated shafts:

Terminator http://www.babysproshop.com/ (http://terminatorshaft.com/>http://terminatorshaft.com/</a>

SledgeHammer)

Devastator and Devastator II http://www.meuccicues.com/BlackDot.htm (http://www.barringercues.com/>http://www.barringercues.com/</a>

Black)

314 <a target="_blank" href=http://www.predatorcues.com/english/314shaft.htm>http://www.predatorcues.com/english/314shaft.htm</a>

I am sure they are all good shafts,...it is hard to know what to get and will be best for you and stay within your budget.

After playing with the 314 on the BK, it sure does hit good. I just wasn't sure about buying a new cue just to get the shaft,...that came out sounding funny.

Griff
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Griff, I don't believe the Sledgehammer cue by Baby Mike Gulyassy has a laminated shaft. Also, it is NOT a playing cue. It is for breaking and jumping only. The "special" part about the Sledgehammer jump/break cue is the one piece ferrule and tip.
Another maker of laminated shafts you can add to the list is Mike Lambros, although, I don't believe he mentions them on his website. http://www.lambroscues.com/
Rich R.

TonyM
07-19-2002, 05:39 AM
"Would you mind explaining why you are considering taking a Muecci black dot cue, the shaft of which is unequalled in the world in causing the lowest cue ball squirt, and changing it to a Predator shaft, which is only the second best, or actually third best after the Meucci red dot?"

Tom, you sound like a spokesman for Meucci Lol!

Actually, it is only Meucci that are claiming that the black dot and red-dot have less squirt than the 314. My personal tests (using aim and pivot) still show the 314 to have less squirt. Certainly Predator's tests also show this to be true. They both can't be right, but which is correct?

I think that Meucci's machine has a quirk in the design that leads to different results than the Predator robot. Bob Jewett was the first that I know to suggest a plausible explanation for this (it has to due with the way that the shaft is supported by the psuedo "bridge" hand).

As a result, shafts tested on Meucci's machine show more squirt than on Predator's machine. As a result, Meucci have developed their shafts to do well on their machine.

But I believe that their machine does not reflect the "real world" relsuts of the shaft in a human hand (technically, the human hand is "softer" and more compliant, this results in less effect end-mass than with the Myth Destroyer robot).

The tip-off for me was the test of Mike Masse's Shculer shaft (with the very short ferrule and the low end-mass void ala Predator). Mike found that it had less squirt than a stock 314 (which I believe and I'm sure is true). But when put on the Myth destroyer it did not fare that well compared to a standard red-dot. Masse has tried both on the table and has stated that his new shaft has much less squirt than a red-dot. I tend to believe him (and my tests have seen similar results) so something isn't quite right somewhere.

I don't think that the Meucci machine is intentionally "fixed" to get better results for Meucci products. But rather the design of the "bridge" creates extra effective end-mass that is not present in the human hand.

Tony
-at least that's the current theory...

griffith_d
07-19-2002, 05:43 AM
Well, I really do not need a whole 'nuther cue. I would like a new cue. But, I just bought the BK and was trying to save some money and I like the Meucci.

My main concern was getting it to match up correctly.

Griff

07-19-2002, 06:13 AM
I got a Predator partial and had my local cue man match it to my Meucci 97-27. I love it and nobody knows it is a Predator because a partial is not marked. If you do not know a partial comes blank on the joint end. Besides Predator does not make a whole stick that I like.

Jerry S.

griffith_d
07-19-2002, 06:17 AM
Yesterday, Seyberts quoted me $208, total drive out, for the partial, cuesmith labor, plus shipping. He said they could match up the joint perfectly, including the silver ring.

I just might go for it.

Thanks,
Griff

griffith_d
07-19-2002, 12:31 PM
I think you are right about the SledgeHammer,...thank you for you other site.

I just found another spliced shaft:

Thd Dominator:

http://www.exoticcues.com/dominiak/dominiak_custom_pool_cues.htm

There really are a lot of them.

Griff

griffith_d
07-19-2002, 12:41 PM
I forgot one Laminated Shaft:

It is the ER240 by Edwin Reyes, but in a foreign language. It has 240 laminated radial layers. That is a little much, but some people really like them.
http://plaza4.mbn.or.jp/~stonetable/alpha/7_gallery22.html#Anchortop

Griff

griffith_d
07-22-2002, 05:50 AM
Rich

I did get in touch with Mike Gulyassy about the Sledgehammer and he said, "the Sledgehammer's are normally a regular shaft, however a spliced shaft can be substituted for a 100.00 dollars more and is actually a little
better say some pro players. thanks Mike.----- Original Message ---".

I meeeean, there a lot of spliced/laminated shafts out there. I like the way the 314 plays on the Predator BK that I bought recently. I just might get one for the Meucci.

Griff

Rich R.
07-22-2002, 08:35 AM
Thanks for the info Griffith. I didn't think I saw any glue seams on the sledgehammer I have. /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif But the eyes aren't what they once were.
Rich R.

griffith_d
07-22-2002, 10:21 AM
Did you get a Sledgehammer,...if so, how do you like it?

In Mike's advertisement, he does not display a spliced shaft, I was mistaken. But it is interesting to know he makes one.

Griff

Rich R.
07-22-2002, 12:08 PM
Griff, I have mixed feelings about the Sledgehammer, which I purchased directly from Mike in Valley Forge. Although it has a very solid hit, because of the tip/ferrule combination which is completely phenolic resin, it is hard to keep chaulked and you must hit close to center ball to avoid miscues. However, having never jumped a ball before puchasing a Sledgemmer, I was able to jump a full ball after only a couple of tries. I still need a lot of practice though. LOL.
Rich R.