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S0Noma
12-10-2006, 06:31 AM
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Wally Wallington has demonstrated that he can lift a Stonehenge-sized pillar weighing 22,000 lbs and moved a barn over 300 ft. What makes this so special is that he does it using only himself, gravity, and his incredible ingenuity. <hr /></blockquote>


YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0)

wolfdancer
12-10-2006, 08:40 AM
his techniques are simple, yet ingenious
neat video!!

cushioncrawler
12-10-2006, 05:57 PM
Good stuff.
I agree that there has been so much rubbish on tv over the years re how they made stonehenge and the pyramids and da vinces big bow etc etc. All bullkrap.

Mooving rectangular stones is eezy. Its a bit like Wally rolling that 300lb block along that toothy timber -- but there is a smarter way. U rope a timber along each flat -- ie 4 timbers in all -- so that the whole thing (stone and timbers) acts a little like a wheel (cylinder) -- and u simply roll the whole thing along. The rolling, for a big stone, would be done with levers, ie simply, from behind -- or, if necessary, u could have the 4 timbers protruding at both ends, so that u could poke a big timber (lever) throo them (one at each end), and pull down on the ends to make the whole thing roll -- ie from in front (plus guys with levers working from the back).

But the best that "engineers" can come up with is a silly notion of guys pulling with ropes (up a ramp sometimes) and guys pouring some sort of liquid in front (how stupid).

Wally's shifting of small wts, and shifting fulcrums, to raise a large stone is very smart, but would be smarter if he uzed lever(s) instead of shifting small wts.

Wally's 2-fulcrum gadget (a pair of gadgets i think) to walk the barn along is very smart. But i remember back to when i was a small boy in townsville. I was asleep in our house, and was woken. I went to the back door, and found that the house was mooving along. I looked out, and here was dad and one of my uncles and one mate, and they (3) were levering the (whole) house along (it was a timber shack with iron roof), from the back of the block, to the front, about 100ft i guess. The house was rolling on top of small logs, the small logs were to become the stumps when finished. It all took minutes, or, a whole morning i guess including the preparation. The house was raised up onto drums, and then (much later) lowered onto the stumps. I think that dad would have used a car instead of the levers, but he only had a motorbike in those days. I think that Wally used the pairs of fulcrums to shift the barn to show how they might have mooved large stones -- but i doubt that they would have done it that way -- rolling a stone would have been eezyr. madMac.

cushioncrawler
12-10-2006, 06:52 PM
Rolling stones


A carpenter's new theory on how Stonehenge came about could roll away old theories on Britain's megalithic monument, finds Patrick Weir

Tuesday November 30, 2004
The Guardian


For more than 20 years, Derbyshire carpenter Gordon Pipes has been striving to find an answer to a 4,000-year-old question that still confounds archaeologists; namely how, without roads or wheels, did Neolithic man transport 80 sarsen stones, each weighing an average of 30 tons, 20 miles from the Marlborough Downs to Salisbury Plain to construct Stonehenge? The site also comprises 98 blue stones, each weighing six tons, from the Preseli Mountains in Wales. The question of how these were conveyed over land - it is agreed they must have been ferried in boats along the Severn Estuary and River Avon - is also unanswered. But Pipes is convinced he has found the solution.
"What fired my imagination was a book about the stone statues on Easter Island by Norwegian scientist Thor Heyerdahl," he explains. "Working out how the ancients were able to move such heavy megaliths became an obsession.

"In terms of Stonehenge, theories that one stone could have been dragged a mile a day by 700 men using rope and wooden rollers seemed as viable to me as alien involvement. The rollers wouldn't have taken the weight and the physical effort required would have been super-human.

"It occurred to me that a megalith could be picked up, moved a short distance, put down and moved again. Further research suggested this would be quicker, require less manpower and negate the need for muscle power. Also, the initial inertia the body experiences when attempting to drag large stones, is all but nullified."

Called stone rowing, the procedure involves laying down a number of logs - the number determined by the weight of the stone - in a parallel formation. Resting on supports, the logs are positioned just above the ground. Some are then used to support the stone, while the rest act as a continuous fulcrum for wooden oars, or levers, inserted underneath the stone. By pressing down on the levers, the stone rises two inches clear of the support logs, and when the levers are moved sideways, the stone moves forward.

Pipes tested his theory in his garden. "Four of us carried out this experiment using a four-ton concrete block, four logs and four levers," he explains. "We were able to move the block between six and 12 inches at a time with ease. I then set up a ramp and discovered that the method also worked uphill when using more levers and incorporating a brake mechanism."

Mike Pitts, editor of British Archaeology, says: "Few archaeologists ever consider practical issues like moving stones. Gordon's ideas fascinate because they come from an understanding of lifting and moving things, rather than from theories dreamt up at a desk. And while he doesn't underestimate the difficulties facing the Stonehenge builders, neither does he come up with impossibly complicated solutions. It's the first time that someone has come up with anything really sensible for a long time."

Nigel Swift, a founder member of the Stonehengineers group set up to support Pipes, says his theory "rests on the proposition that our ancestors would have been as smart as us and just as keen to minimise effort. If accepted, his work will rewrite the book in terms of the numbers of people required to create megalithic monuments and will make quite a splash. It will take some arguing against."

Pipes is planning two further experiments on Salisbury Plain next summer. The first will be an attempt to move a 10-ton block half a mile in a day, the second repeating this feat with a 40-ton block.

"I believe that stone rowing will provide us with some interesting answers to ancient mysteries such as the pyramids," says Pipes. "It really does have that potential."

cushioncrawler
12-10-2006, 07:37 PM
"..... Let us consider for a moment what was the procedure in building a simple
megalithic monument. It was fourfold, for it involved the finding and
possibly the quarrying of the stones, the moving of them to the desired
spot, the erection of the uprights in their places, and the placing of
the cover-slab or slabs on top of them.

With regard to the first step it is probable that in most cases the
place chosen for a tomb or cemetery was one in which numbers of great
stones lay on the surface ready to hand. By this means labour was
greatly economized. On the other hand, there are certainly cases where
the stones were brought long distances in order to be used. Thus, in
Charente in France there is at La Perotte a block weighing nearly 40
tons which must have travelled over 18 miles. We have no evidence as to
whether stones were ever actually quarried. If they were, the means used
must have been the stone axe, fire, and water. It was not usual in the
older and simpler dolmens to dress the stones in any way, though in the
later and more complicated structures well-worked blocks were often
used.

The required stones having been found it was now necessary to move them
to the spot. This could be done in two ways. The first and simpler is
that which we see pictured on Egyptian monuments, such as the tomb of
Tahutihotep at El Bersheh. A rough road of beams is laid in the required
direction, and wooden rollers are placed under the stone on this road.
Large numbers of men or oxen then drag the stone along by means of ropes
attached to it. Other labourers assist the work from behind with levers,
and replace the rollers in front of the stone as fast as they pass out
behind. Those who have seen the modern Arabs in excavation work move
huge blocks with wooden levers and palm-leaf rope will realize that for
the building of the dolmens little was needed except numbers and time.

The other method of moving the stones is as follows: a gentle slope of
hard earth covered with wet clay is built with its higher extremity
close beside the block to be moved. As many men as there is room for
stand on each side of the block, and with levers resting on beams or
stones as fulcra, raise the stone vertically as far as possible. Other
men then fill up the space beneath it with earth and stones. The process
is next repeated with higher fulcra, until the stone is level with the
top of the clay slope, on to which it is then slipped. With a little
help it now slides down the inclined plane to the bottom. Here a fresh
slope is built, and the whole procedure is gone through again. The
method can even be used on a slight uphill gradient. It requires less
dragging and more vertical raising than the other, and would thus be
more useful where oxen were unobtainable.

When the stones were once on the spot it is not hard to imagine how they
were set upright with levers and ropes. The placing of the cover-slab
was, however, a more complicated matter. The method employed was
probably to build a slope of earth leading up from one side to the
already erected uprights and almost covering them. Up this the slab
could be moved by means of rollers, ropes, and levers, until it was in
position over the uprights. The slope could then be removed. If the
dolmen was to be partly or wholly covered with a mound, as some
certainly were, it would not even be necessary to remove the slope....."

cushioncrawler
12-10-2006, 08:14 PM
".... One possible method for moving 2t to 3t blocks at the pyramids was as follows. A wooden gantry was erected on each block, leaning out to the rear, giving the appearance of a tow-truck. The end of the gantry acted as a fulcrum for a long wooden pendulum, the fulcrum being at about midpoint. At the bottom of the pendulum was fixed a horizontal log, shaped like a pool-cue.

A gang of men positioned foreward of the block pulled a rope attached to the high point of the pendulum, thus raising the log. When released, the log swung down into the rear of the block with considerable force, and bounced back up to allmost half the original height. This propelled the block allmost one cubit per blow, on level ground, and allmost 1/2 a cubit on the main ramp.

The head of "engines", David, had calculated that the optimum weight for the log was 1/8th the weight of the block. The head of "design", Bob, had added a thick leather tip on the log, and had allocated one worker (leftie) to ensure that this tip was covered with chalk after each blow.

A well trained gang, shown the ropes by the head "instructor", Fran, could take a block from the quarry to the correct corner pocket, in as little as 1000 blows, if they avoided scratching when passing the middle pocket....."

cushioncrawler
12-10-2006, 08:22 PM
"....Raising the Megalithic Roof ... by Peter Furtado.

SHOW ME A FIRM PLACE to stand and I'll move the Earth', Archimedes extolled the power of levers in the fourth century BC. Yet when modern engineers try to use his principles to shift heavy loads without resorting to mechanical aids, they often fail. Television programmes on the attempts to shift megaliths or erect standing stones often reveal more perspiration than inspiration.

No direct evidence exists on how such stones were handled, but the fact that remarkable -- and often vast -- building work was done has remained a challenge to many archaeologists and engineers. Cliff Osenton, from Banbury in Oxfordshire, has spent twenty-five years exploring the construction of dolmens -- the distinctive megalithic form of burial chamber consisting of three upright stones (ortholiths) surmounted by a large flat capstone that might weigh forty tonnes or more, and all originally covered with an earthen mound which in many cases now has eroded away totally. Using principles derived from his practical experience in lifting heavy weights on oil tankers, and some straight-forward logic, Osenton has arrived at surprising conclusions.

He has little time for most of the television programmes that give an engineer just a few days to solve the problem. `Many of them start with an academic theory and, by skilful editing, project an image that it works,' he argues. `They use modern engineers with no experience in megalithic construction, fail to show authentic methods and make up for their lack of skill by using a large workforce, thus promoting the high-mass labour/low-skill image of Neolithic man.'

`The points of the dolmen uprights are often sharp, yet there are no marks on the underside of the capstone, which means that it couldn't have been dragged into position up a ramp', he explains. So how did megalithic man get these huge blocks eight feet or more in the air? `The key moment was in 1996 when I was looking at the Welsh site of Pentre Ifan and realised that the capstone is always pivoted on the upright at the back.'

Pursuing the logic of this insight, Osenton discovered that, by clever use of levers and balance, a man could lift a stone one hundred times his body weight. This means that building a dolmen is, almost literally, child's-play. In an early experiment, one man armed with nothing more than a wooden pole and some planks, could not only move a rock that the quarry's largest truck could not shift, but lifted it sufficiently to build a three-foot high dolmen in a weekend. Soon after, Osenton's five-year-old son demonstrated the technique for the television cameras by lifting a Ford Escort, and later a Transit van.

Archaeologist and stone circle expert Aubrey Burl has seen him at work. `I was most impressed,' he agrees. `Osenton's approach is very practical and easily raises the stone eight foot or more.'

The trick is to lift one end with a lever, then to place two fulcra at the opposite end, each one slightly to the side of the central axis of the stone. Then the stone can be rocked from side to side and, by placing stacks of logs underneath, raised into the air. If an upright stone is required, a stone can be tipped and raised using the same principle.

`It's the image of it all being something of a mystery that proved to be the biggest barrier -- by taking a practical approach the problems can all be solved. I come back from these projects drained mentally more than physically, but the fear and excitement of raising these big stones is like riding a seventeen-hand gelding at full gallop. Far from being dull, Flintstone types, Neolithic people were dynamic, exciting and highly skilled -- ancestors to be proud of.'

Last summer, Osenton used the technique on what he describes as the first complete stone circle to have been built using traditional methods in Britain for thousands of years, on a farm in Loxhill, Surrey. The stones were quarried and delivered to the site; but after that, nothing more complicated than wood and ropes was used. As well as using his technological insights, the social structures of the Stone Age were also emulated as authentically as possible. Unlike most such projects where teams of volunteers and students are paid to work under the direction of a single academic, here the builders were a loose-knit group of druids and hippies, who worked when they wanted to, and tended to wander off if the project hit a snag. But when they do choose to work, `people sing, play drums. It's like a festival; and when a ten-tonne stone tips into its hole, the feeling's fantastic.' They discovered that most of the work could be done with a small group of ten to fifteen people; occasionally forty would assemble to do the heaviest pulling, but once the principles were understood, the group erected the final stones over a series of weekends without any help from Osenton at all.

To Osenton, this is only the beginning. Lifting stones is the most spectacular part of the process, but first you have to be able to move them to the right place. And this is another problem he has solved. He lifts the stone high enough to build a sledge underneath, made of four large tree-trunks lashed together, then places the whole thing on rollers made of more large logs. On a test in Castell Henllys in Wales, he showed that such a sledge carrying a three-tonne bluestone pulled by twenty-eight people could run at four miles per hour without leaving any trace (`even the flowers spring up again when the sledge has gone past'), and that it could move the stone across the kind of mud that would entrap a mechanical transporter.

To do this (and to lift the stone when it arrived on site), megalithic builders required timber, which in turn required skill with the axe. `I've gone as far as I can with stones. So it's the uses of stone axes that I'm studying now. Axe technique is the key to moving stones, and again it's much easier once you recover the traditional craft skills, which are now almost forgotten.'

Osenton also has views on how stone circles were laid out without the use of modern geometry or measuring devices. `You have to work by eye, the way the old farmers did. And you can get well within the tolerances -- required.' He claims to be the only modern person to have laid out every major phase of Stonehenge full-sized in a field using only posts and a mallet, to match the original tolerances -- thereby demonstrating that notions of complex surveying and astronomical or mathematical theories are all unnecessary. But the major final piece of the puzzle is transport by water. How did Stone Age people build boats that could venture out into the open sea while weighed down with several tonnes of stone? This is his challenge for the year 2000, and he aims to build something made of a framework of greenwood axe-cut branches and logs, and covered in skins. Watch this space....."

cushioncrawler
12-10-2006, 08:48 PM
Tibetan Sound Levitation Of Large Stones Witnessed By Scientist

Excerpt from 'Anti-gravity and the World Grid' edited by D.H.Childress, ch.8, Acoustic levitation of stones by Bruce Cathie, pp. 213-217

A New Zealand scientist recently gave me an intriguing extract from an article published in a German magazine, relating to a demonstration of levitation in Tibet....

....In this case a full set of geometric measurements were taken, and I discovered, to my great delight, that when they were converted to their equivalent geodetic measures, relating to grid harmonics the values gave a direct association with those in the unified harmonic equations published in my earlier works.....

.... 'We know from the priests of the far east that they were able to lift heavy boulders up high mountains with the help of groups of various sounds...the knowledge of the various vibrations in the audio range demonstrates to a scientist of physics that a vibrating and condensed sound field can nullify the power of gravitation. Swedish engineer Olaf Alexanderson wrote about this phenomenon in the publication, Implosion No. 13.

The following report is based on observations which were made only 20 years ago in Tibet. I have this report from civil engineer and flight manager, Henry Kjelson, a friend of mine. He later on included this report in his book, The Lost Techniques. This is his report.

A Swedish doctor, Dr. Jarl, a friend of Kjelsons, studied at Oxford. During those times he became friends with a young Tibetan student. A couple of years later, it was 1939, Dr. Jarl made a journey to Egypt for the English Scientific Society. There he was seen by a messenger of his Tibetan friend, and urgently requested to come to Tibet to treat a high Lama.

After Dr. Jarl got the leave he followed the messenger and arrived after a long journey by plane and Yak caravans, at the monastery, where the old Lama and his friend who was now holding a high position were now living.

Dr. Jarl stayed there for some time, and because of his friendship with the Tibetans he learned a lot of things that other foreigners had no chance to hear about or observe.

One day his friend took him to a place in the neighbourhood of the monastery and showed him a sloping meadow which was surrounded in the north west by high cliffs. In one of the rock walls, at a height of about 250 metres was a big hole which looked like the entrance to a cave.

In front of this hole there was a platform on which the monks were building a rock wall. The only access to this platform was from the top of the cliff and the monks lowered themselves down with the help of ropes.

In the middle of the meadow, about 250 metres from the cliff, was a polished slab of rock with a bowl like cavity in the centre. The bowl had a diameter of one metre and a depth of 15 centimetres. A block of stone was manoeuvred into this cavity by Yak oxen. The block was one metre wide and one and one half metres long. Then 19 musical instruments were set in an arc of 90 degrees at a distance of 63 metres from the stone slab.

The radius of 63 metres was measured out accurately. The musical instruments consisted of 13 drums and 6 trumpets.(Ragdons) Eight drums had a cross-section of one metre, and a length of one and one half metres. Four drums were medium size with a cross-section of 0.7 metre and a length of one metre. The only small drum had a cross-section of 0.2 metres and a length of 0.3 metres. All the trumpets were the same size.

They had a length of 3.12 metres and an opening of 0.3 metres. The big drums and all the trumpets were fixed on mounts which could be adjusted with staffs in the direction of the slab of stone. The big drums were made of 1mm thick sheet iron, and had a weight of 150kg. They were built in five sections. All the drums were open at one end, while the other end had a bottom of metal, on which the monks beat with big leather clubs. Behind each instrument was a row of monks.

When the stone was in position the monk behind the small drum gave a signal to start the concert. The small drum had a very sharp sound, and could be heard even with the other instruments making a terrible din. All the monks were singing and chanting a prayer, slowly increasing the tempo of this unbelievable noise. During the first four minutes nothing happened, then as the speed of the drumming, and the noise, increased, the big stone block started to rock and sway, and suddenly it took off into the air with an increasing speed in the direction of the platform in front of the cave hole 250 metres high. After three minutes of ascent it landed on the platform.

Continuously they brought new blocks to the meadow, and the monks using this method, transported 5 to 6 blocks per hour on a parabolic flight track approximately 500 metres long and 250 metres high. From time to time a stone split, and the monks moved the split stones away. Quite an unbelievable task.

Dr. Jarl knew about the hurling of the stones. Tibetan experts like Linaver, Spalding and Huc had spoken about it, but they had never seen it. So Dr. Jarl was the first foreigner who had the opportunity to see this remarkable spectacle. Because he had the opinion in the beginning that he was the victim of mass-psychosis he made two films of the incident. The films showed exactly the same things that he had witnessed.

.....The reaction was not initiated by the religious fervour of the group, but by the superior scientific knowledge held by the high priests. The secret is in the geometric placement of the musical instruments in relation to the stones to be levitated, and the harmonic tuning of the drums and trumpets. The combined loud chanting of the priests using their voices at a certain pitch and rhythm most probably adds to the combined effect, but the subject matter of the chant, I believe, would be of no consequence.

The sound waves being generated by the combination were directed in such a way that an anti-gravitational effect was created at the centre of focus (position of the stones) and around the periphery, or the arc, of a third of a circle through which the stones moved....

cushioncrawler
12-10-2006, 10:16 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cushioncrawler:</font><hr> Tibetan Sound Levitation Of Large Stones Witnessed By Scientist

....In the middle of the meadow... was a polished slab of rock with a bowl like cavity in the centre.... A block of stone was manoeuvred into this cavity by Yak oxen..... Then 19 musical instruments were set in an arc.... Behind each instrument was a row of monks.... transported 5 to 6 blocks per hour .... From time to time a stone split.... <hr /></blockquote>
This method is very efficient. There are 19 musicians, and perhaps 5 priests sitting behind each -- say only 114 monks etc in that gang -- then there is the cost of hay for the yaks, the cost of instrument hire, rehearsals etc. In the end, they moov only 5 to 6 blocks per hour, less, if counting the losses due to splittage -- but this rate is nonetheless very good. They would have easily gotten the contracts for the pyramids if they were around in them days. madMac.

heater451
12-16-2006, 03:19 PM
Seeing the "handles" that he built to rotate the stones made me wonder: Has anyone ever thought about building circular frames around the stone slabs?

Framed stones could be rolled completely--albeit, with tons of potentially dangerous inertia. Downhill rolls wouldn't be fun either. The stones might have to be quarried in a vertical state, to make building the frames easier, but if they could be lifted like Wally did it, then it wouldn't matter how they were initially carved out.

Or, perhaps the slabs could be framed and rolled horizontally, which would use frames of overall, smaller diameters, and be able to withstand more weight, due to being more compact.

Lastly, what about cutting round stones, and then squaring them up at the building site? This would probably be a great waste of stone, but conservation may not have been a priority.



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cushioncrawler
12-16-2006, 11:10 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote heater451:</font><hr> ...Seeing the "handles" that he built to rotate the stones made me wonder: Has anyone ever thought about building circular frames around the stone slabs? Framed stones could be rolled completely--albeit, with tons of potentially dangerous inertia. Downhill rolls wouldn't be fun either.... <hr /></blockquote>
Yes -- the Egyptians thort about it. Here is an article by Dr R Parry printed in the magazine ATSE (Focus No 95) in Jan-Feb 1997. It shows a small model of just such a cradle, which, with 3 others at one end, and 4 at the other, would convert a (2.5ton) block so that it rolled like a cylinder -- and these could be used for very large (say 50 tonne) blocks allso...
www.atse.org.au/index.php?sectionid=376 (http://www.atse.org.au/index.php?sectionid=376)

cushioncrawler
12-16-2006, 11:18 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote S0Noma:</font><hr> ....Wally Wallington has demonstrated that he can lift a Stonehenge-sized pillar weighing 22,000 lbs and moved a barn over 300 ft. What makes this so special is that he does it using only himself, gravity, and his incredible ingenuity..... <hr /></blockquote>
Wally's method of rocking the block to elevate it has i think been mentioned by others over many years -- one version uses a similar 3-way sort of support and rocker action, for lifting rounder-flatter rocks.

But, as far as i can see, Wally's method of twirling or rotating or spinning a large block, to walk it along, by mooving wts from one end to the other, is original. I reckon that this would work real well for a 1000ton block, of the right shape.

cushioncrawler
12-17-2006, 07:01 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote S0Noma:</font><hr> ....Wally Wallington has demonstrated that he can lift a Stonehenge-sized pillar weighing 22,000 lbs and moved a barn over 300 ft. What makes this so special is that he does it using only himself, gravity, and his incredible ingenuity....<hr /></blockquote>
W.M. Flinders Petrie wrote a book about the pyramids etc in 1883, which includes the words...

"...169. The means employed for raising such masses of stone is not shown to us in any representations. For the ordinary blocks, of a few tons each, it would be very feasible to employ the method of resting them on two piles of wooden slabs, and rocking them up alternately to one side and the other by a spar under the block, thus heightening the piles alternately and so raising the stone. This would also agree with the mysterious description of a machine made of short pieces of wood a description which is difficult otherwise to realise. This method would also be applicable to the largest masses that we know of in the Pyramid, the 56 roofing-beams of the King's Chamber and the spaces above it. These average 320 x 52 x 73 inches, or 700 cubic feet each; weighing, therefore, 54 tons, some larger, some less. No simple system but that of rocking would enable men to raise such a mass with only the help of crowbars; if such a block was put on two supports, say 30 inches apart, only 5 tons would have to be lifted at once, and this would be easily done by 10 men with crowbars. Six such parties might raise the whole of these blocks in one year...."

heater451
12-18-2006, 05:19 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cushioncrawler:</font><hr> Yes -- the Egyptians thort about it. . . . www.atse.org.au/index.php?sectionid=376 (http://www.atse.org.au/index.php?sectionid=376)<hr /></blockquote>Wow--thanks, CC! Don't tell me, you just plugged "rolling" and "pyramids" into Google. . . .


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cushioncrawler
12-18-2006, 06:27 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote heater451:</font><hr> ....thanks, CC! Don't tell me, you just plugged "rolling" and "pyramids" into Google.....<hr /></blockquote>
Yes -- once u get onto a decent source, u allso uzually find lots of good references (links) included, etc etc -- and just when u think there aint no more, u find a link to exactly what u were looking for.

I thort of about 4 novel ways (to me) of raising (2.5 ton) blocks high up a pyramid -- and i found another say 4 novel ways mentioned on the net (no cranes or wheels in those days) -- fascinating.

But, my best effort woz uzing google-earth to find those russian?? mega-megaliths -- i woz mad to even think of doing it -- russia is (woz) a big place -- and googleearth didnt make it eezy, koz its not like the usa (where even McDonalds are identyfyd) -- in fact i started out looking near Lake Baikal, about 1000 miles away -- and, for about 2 hours, the only word that i recognised woz "Toshkent" (used to be called Tashkent), but then i stumbled onto the river "Kora", and then i foundem within seconds, Yessss.

There is a suspicion that these "Tombs of the Genii" are more a natural-menhir moreso than a man-made-menhir -- i am looking into this -- hmmmmm, 3,800 tons (actually 2,600 by my reckoning), and a bigger one laying down half buried (in 1858).

But, googleearth is too grainy in this area, 15m resolution -- if anyone can get onto some 1meter or 2meter resolution satellite photos (free) i would be pleezed to see them. madMac.

cushioncrawler
12-18-2006, 10:38 PM
Ed Leedskalnin (died Florida 1951) might have used similar methods to Wally's and shifted blocks up to 30 tons. Here is a snippet from a blog by Jam from blogsite "Least Significant Bits"....

".....This man said that he would drive up in his flat bed truck, I think this was 1936 or so, and would be instructed by Ed Leedskalnin to park near whatever stones he wanted moved, and to leave the area, and that he, Ed, would load the truck. Come back in sometime later.

The man would disappear, and return later to find his big flat bed loaded with these massive, many tonned, carved stones.

Ed Leedskalnin had loaded the truck with thousand pounds of stones, by himself.

The man would drive the stones and Ed over to the new Homestead location and would again be instructed to disappear. He would come back after a while to find his truck unloaded and Ed ready to go.

So how does a five foot tall, 100 pound man do that kind of lifting in such a fast time, COMPLETELY ALONE?

Ed would only tell people that he knew how they built the pyramids in Egypt, and that if he could figure it out, anyone could....."

DickLeonard
12-19-2006, 07:47 AM
MadMac could EG8r and Pooltchr play the Blocks.#### /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

heater451
12-19-2006, 05:29 PM
Something about the guy being secretive reminded me of a segment of the old tv show "That's Incredible" (or, maybe it was "Real People"--IMDB says that TI followed RP).

There was a guy who moved large stones, but only when no one was around. I also remember there being a piece that was a rectangular slab, on it's end, that pivoted, and was basically, a revolving door.

Part of the segment also mentioned someone trying to sneak a peak on the guy doing the moving, but he was found out, as if the guy had ESP (like he was an alien or something--the extra-terrestrial kind).


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Deeman3
12-19-2006, 05:40 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote heater451:</font><hr> Something about the guy being secretive reminded me of a segment of the old tv show "That's Incredible" (or, maybe it was "Real People"--IMDB says that TI followed RP).

There was a guy who moved large stones, but only when no one was around. I also remember there being a piece that was a rectangular slab, on it's end, that pivoted, and was basically, a revolving door. <font color="blue"> Yes, it was like a 20 ton door made of stone and you could swing it with one finger. </font color>

Part of the segment also mentioned someone trying to sneak a peak on the guy doing the moving, but he was found out, as if the guy had ESP (like he was an alien or something--the extra-terrestrial kind). <font color="blue">

They did make it seem that way. The only artifacts they ever found was a simple block and tackle rig that was not supposed to move more than a feew hundred pounds. The difference, from my take, of the guy you mention and the one above was the florida guy seemed to not require more than a few minutes to move those large loads which would probably eliminate the methods we see on the clips above. </font color>

DeeMan

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cushioncrawler
12-19-2006, 06:19 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote heater451:</font><hr> Something about the guy being secretive reminded me of a segment of the old tv show "That's Incredible" (or, maybe it was "Real People"--IMDB says that TI followed RP). There was a guy who moved large stones, but only when no one was around. I also remember there being a piece that was a rectangular slab, on it's end, that pivoted, and was basically, a revolving door. Part of the segment also mentioned someone trying to sneak a peak on the guy doing the moving, but he was found out, as if the guy had ESP (like he was an alien or something--the extra-terrestrial kind).<hr /></blockquote>
Yes sounds like Ed, Ed ended up claiming to be able to use levitation -- he only worked at night so no one could see him -- but if u google him u will see one photo of (a young) Ed in the early days using a 3-pole A-frame with chain block &amp; tackle -- Hmmmmmmm. But later i am sure that Ed used Wally's method of rocking (to lift) and twirling (to walk) -- which is what he would have done for loading and unloading that guy's truck. Ed's pride and joy was a 9ton revolving stone door that could be opened with one finger.

cushioncrawler
12-19-2006, 06:44 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr> MadMac could EG8r and Pooltchr play the Blocks.#### /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Dick, i bet they could play theze stone ballz, in Costa Rica -- up to over 6' diameter and 16 tons -- but zero squirt. madMac.
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