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S0Noma
12-14-2006, 08:01 PM
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Ken Miller's talk on Intelligent Design at Case Western University. Ken Miller basically rips Intelligent Design apart in a 2 hour long exposť of the claims of intelligent design and the tactics that creationists employ to get it shoehorned into the American school system. <hr /></blockquote>

YouTube Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg)

Qtec
12-14-2006, 09:47 PM
Good lecture.
Imagine having a PHD in Astrology! LOL

Here is a 4 min clip that makes the point wonderfully. I didn't know this.
clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs1zeWWIm5M&amp;mode=related&amp;search=)

Q

wolfdancer
12-15-2006, 09:43 AM
There's an article on NewScientist web page (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19225824.000?DCMP=NLC-nletter&amp;nsref=mg19225824.000) about the Biologic Institute in Redmond,Wa using lab science to research intelligent design.
I see no reason why you can't have a dual-theory concerning how modern mankind came to be.
Darwin's evolution theory, that we descended from the apes, fits in well, as proof... right-wingers...while Intelligent Design could be applied to the left.

Gayle in MD
12-15-2006, 12:39 PM
I think I saw that lecture on C-Span. He was fabulous! I was encouraged by how many of the students were cheering his clear, and reasoned debate.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
12-15-2006, 01:46 PM
Very interesting. I took a little longer lunch than normal to listen to the majority of it. I skipped the questions at the end so let me know if I am missed anything of value.

eg8r

cushioncrawler
12-15-2006, 03:12 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> ....I see no reason why you can't have a dual-theory concerning how modern mankind came to be.
Darwin's evolution theory, that we descended from the apes, fits in well, as proof... right-wingers...while Intelligent Design could be applied to the left...<hr /></blockquote>
I think that darwin sed that ape-apes and man-apes had a common ancestor -- i dont think that he ever said that we descended (asscended) from the apes.

Creationists are so dumb -- but the smarter ones simply say that God made evolution -- arguement over.

Strange thing -- christians are joining the greens. Some green-groups will not allow christians to join -- but apparantly some are ok with christians -- Hmmmmmmm. madMac.

wolfdancer
12-15-2006, 04:29 PM
You're right of course that Darwin never claimed man was descended from the Apes, and on an exhibit in Rochester,Ny is a card that reads ""As Darwin pointed out, there is no reason to believe that man descended from any monkey or ape ..."

OR...are you? Seems like he did at least say that we had a common ancestor...what do you think that was...a Republican?

DARWIN, in his "Descent of Man", specifically states that man is,descended from "Old World monkeys". You will find the statement in next to the last Paragraph of Chapter Six. His precise language is worth remembering :

"The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World Monkeys; and from the latter at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the universe, proceeded."
Interesting reading at web page (http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/essays/monkey.html)

And here's a site that states "Bush-Man is descended from the apes"

web page (http://www.mississaugablogs.com/2005/12/bushman_descended_from_apes.html)
I think if Darwin had just stayed out of Australia, he wouldn't have come up with all these crazy ideas.....I was lucky to get out of that country before the madness set in

cushioncrawler
12-15-2006, 04:52 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> ... Darwin's evolution theory, that we descended from the apes, fits in well, as proof... right-wingers...while Intelligent Design could be applied to the left...<hr /></blockquote>
Just realized -- i seem to recall that darwin didnt use the word "Evolution" in early editions, koz it had some sort of (religious??) connotation in those days, but included that word in later editions when everybody else started using the term. madMac.

Chopstick
12-16-2006, 04:08 AM
<font color="blue">The bands do line up when you put em next to each other. The centremere in the lower chimp chromosome lines up with a band in the human one.</font color>
http://www.evolutionpages.com/images/hum_ape_chrom_2.gif


Chromosome #2 detail map. (http://www.ensembl.org/Homo_sapiens/mapview?chr=2)

moblsv
12-16-2006, 11:54 AM
thank you for posting that. It was well worth my time to watch it.