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S0Noma
12-20-2006, 08:27 AM
Americans weren't any more chaste in the past, researchers report

NEW YORK - More than nine out of 10 Americans, men and women alike, have had premarital sex, according to a new study. The high rates extend even to women born in the 1940s, challenging perceptions that people were more chaste in the past.

“This is reality-check research,” said the study’s author, Lawrence Finer. “Premarital sex is normal behavior for the vast majority of Americans, and has been for decades.”

The study, examining how sexual behavior before marriage has changed over time, was based on interviews conducted with more than 38,000 people — about 33,000 of them women — in 1982, 1988, 1995 and 2002 for the federal National Survey of Family Growth. According to Finer’s analysis, 99 percent of the respondents had had sex by age 44, and 95 percent had done so before marriage.

Even among a subgroup of those who abstained from sex until at least age 20, four-fifths had had premarital sex by age 44, the study found.

Sex stable since the '50s

Finer said the likelihood of Americans having sex before marriage has remained stable since the 1950s, though people now wait longer to get married and thus are sexually active as singles for extensive periods.

The study found women virtually as likely as men to engage in premarital sex, even those born decades ago. Among women born between 1950 and 1978, at least 91 percent had had premarital sex by age 30, he said, while among those born in the 1940s, 88 percent had done so by age 44.

“The data clearly show that the majority of older teens and adults have already had sex before marriage, which calls into question the federal government’s funding of abstinence-only-until-marriage programs for 12- to 29-year-olds,” Finer said.

Under the Bush administration, such programs have received hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding.

“It would be more effective,” Finer said, “to provide young people with the skills and information they need to be safe once they become sexually active — which nearly everyone eventually will.”

Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, defended the abstinence-only approach for teenagers.

White House: Wait longer, please
“One of its values is to help young people delay the onset of sexual activity,” he said. “The longer one delays, the fewer lifetime sex partners they have, and the less the risk of contracting sexually transmitted disease.”

He insisted there was no federal mission against premarital sex among adults.

“Absolutely not,” Horn said. “The Bush administration does not believe the government should be regulating or stigmatizing the behavior of adults.”

web page (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113)

Gayle in MD
12-20-2006, 11:07 AM
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<hr /></blockquote> “Absolutely not,” Horn said. “The Bush administration does not believe the government should be regulating or stigmatizing the behavior of adults.” [ QUOTE ]
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BWA HA HA HA...That's the hardest I've laughed since watching Bush's press conference this morning!

OMG, how many days are left before we get rid of this man! Where is Kenneth Starr when we need him??? I need to buy one of those watches for myself, you know, the ones the tick off the number of days, hours, minutes and seconds until the next president take her oath!

Hey, it's all god, as long as Americans go shopping!!!

And BTW, Bush hasn't made any mistakes. Things got screwed up because of the insurgents! Of course, that doesn't have anything to do with how Bush and Rumsfeld ran the occupation. Just like Rice, she isn't responsible for a complete collapse in diplomacy. Cheney isn't responsible for power grabbing, and fear mongering, and leading the parade for abuse of presidential powers. Just like the armed forces aren't broken, due to Bush and Rumsfeld, and things are great, as long as we're losing, but still winning! /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif And.... it's all thanks to the great movement of Republican conservative neocon hawks! And, BTW, yes Virginia, there is a Santa Clause! AND pigs do fly!

Take notes, we are witnessing a historic moment in history...the first great age of American unreality! We owe it all to Bush's best friend, Denial! But, hey, who cares, as long as we have tax cuts, gays can't marry, and women continue to be degraded for having abortions in a world which is so overpopulated, it is eating itself alive, right?

BTW, while reading some of the pornographic, Kenneth Starr witch hunt today on the Huffingtonpost, you know, that 70 million dollar effort to secure our National Security, called the Clinton Impeachment....I realized that Bill got his BJ, on my birthday! Hooray! Guess what page ol' Ken put the uncalled for blow by blow, (excuse the pun) account on, that's right, page 69! These Republican radicals, there always just so appropiate and polished, Christians to the core! They had the damn DNA, but, hey, voyuers to the core, they had to make sure that all the pornographic mental pictures were protrayed for the world to read about. It was, after all, a matter of our safety! /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
12-20-2006, 11:15 AM
[ QUOTE ]
But, hey, who cares, as long as we have tax cuts, gays can't marry, and women continue to be degraded for having abortions in a world which is so overpopulated, it is eating itself alive, right? <hr /></blockquote> You are so eloquent. Now that there is something to laugh about. Women would be degraded for abortion if their reason was the one you gave, overpopulation. What a joke.

I personally think safe-sex or abstinence is a better solution to fixing overpopulation, you choose murder. I guess we must agree to disagree.

eg8r

Sid_Vicious
12-20-2006, 11:19 AM
Gayle...Did you choke when Bush, talking during his press dealy about illegal alien law enforcement, saying with a bit of zeal, "Did you all see what we did in finding the companies with illegal workers? THEY(illegals) had illegally obtained documents...and WE are forcing them to get these illegal, forged documents so they can get work here, that other Americans don't want to do!" SERIOUSLY, it's law abiding American's fault?!? GW needs a big WTF from everyone, and then a swift labatomy...sid

wolfdancer
12-20-2006, 11:51 AM
Not my Grandmother !!!
She didn't have sex until after her third child was born.

S0Noma
12-20-2006, 11:54 AM
Was she saving herself for marriage?

Deeman3
12-20-2006, 12:01 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> Not my Grandmother !!!
She didn't have sex until after her third child was born. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> Is that the Bill Clinton new age description of sex? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gifJK</font color>

DeeMan

Gayle in MD
12-20-2006, 01:00 PM
Eg8r, you're almost as funny as George Bush's Press Conferences. I could have guess that you would find abstinence the appropriate solution to over population. And sin3e you STILL can't read, I didn't say that women have abortions to avoid over population.

Like your hero, George, the chimp, solutions and decisions should never be clouded by realistic factual information, hence, the failed state in Iraq, increased numbers of terrorists and attacks around the world, loss of American lives, broken army, huge deficits, loss of international respect, and allegiance turned to hatred. All thanks to George Bush, and the oh os brilliant neocons.

Abortion is legal. Get over it! The Bush administration is a failure, get over it. Bush, is a liar, everyone knows it, get over it. You were duped, by an army of neo-con-men, who are laughing all the way to the bank, while our soldiers are dying. People who refuse to deal in facts, are how our country got into the mess it's in right now. You're belief that abstinence is an appropriate remedy for for anything, is about as reasonable as George Bush's belief that he is capable of spreading democracy to the uncivilized radicals of the Middle East, or Cheney's belief that Rumsfeld was the best Secretary of State ever.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
12-20-2006, 01:15 PM
Martin,
He's incredible, isn't he. Right when you think he can't possibly continue with the denial, and the lies, here he comes again, right back out there with the same old BS!
Before this Administration is over with, we're going to see an uprising in this country like we haven't seen since Vietnam. People with brains, are sick to death of George Bush, and his lies and verbal gyrations of truth avoidence. His preformance today, was absolutely nauseating. I predict, that, as usual, he will refuse to take advice from the experts at his disposal, and the results are going to be horrible. After that, he's not going to want to give any press conferences, because by then, the press, who have been far too easy on him throughout, will finally force realistic dialog, without any opportunity for his usual diversions. I wish just one news person had the guts to stand and ask if he thinks by now, his children, Wolfowitz's children, Cheney's children and Rumsfeld's children should have enlist to help to cause of our broken army. He's going to have to back down on most of his previous policies, because people are not going to enlist in our armed services without a lot of money promised, with him as commander in chief. And, he's going to end up raising taxes, and/or re-instituting the draft, or just letting the issues of increasing the numbers drift quietly the way that the WMD's had to drift. The last year he's in office, he's going to get his...too bad it will be too late to save our fine soldiers.

Not winning, not losing, translation, STUCK!

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
12-20-2006, 01:18 PM
AH ha ha ha...that's a good one!

Deeman3
12-20-2006, 01:42 PM
Yes, I had sex before marriage but I didn't enjoy it or inhale. In many ways, people of the 20's and 30's were much more sexually agressive than some are now. Many of us who might think our forebearers were very prudish are probably more niave and gullible than we think. While many were not as open and shameless as now in public, it has always been there as Kinseyt tried to tell us in the 1950's.

For the record, DeeMan has never come out against sex.

DeeMan

wolfdancer
12-20-2006, 02:28 PM
I take it that you and Ed won't be exchanging presents, this year?
By the way, neocon has been misused a bit, to where it doesn't have it's original meaning. It was meant for someone, formally a liberal, a socialist, or God forbid, a Democrat....that was new (neo) to the conservative movement. On this board, only Deeman admits to being a fallen liberal
(mea culpa for him).
Someone out here in 'netland, has devised a test, to see which ism you is meant fer.
web page (http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=zeron)
Note: if you answered "not sure" to all the questions, you must be one of the 29% group that still support youknowwho, cause he ain't sure of anything lately either.
Heads, we be winning....tails we be losing...

pooltchr
12-20-2006, 07:08 PM
Gayle,
I gotta admit, I'm impressed that you could take a thread about pre-marital sex, and hijack it to go off on another of your infamous anti-administration rants!
You are good!!!
Please help me figure out how I can blame GW when I lose a pool match. I need a good scape-goat for my game the last few weeks!
Steve

Gayle in MD
12-20-2006, 09:02 PM
It's all about his dumb policy of replacing sex education, which does prevent STD's, and unwanted pregnancies, with abstinence, which has been proven to put teens more at risk for both. The woman who was in charge, resigned over his stupid policies, BTW.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
12-20-2006, 09:09 PM
What?! You didn't inhale, wow, you really missed it! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gayle in MD
12-20-2006, 09:17 PM
[ QUOTE ]
<hr /></blockquote> you choose murder [ QUOTE ]
<hr /></blockquote>

I haven't chosen either, Ed, Murder, or abortion, but this is just another example of how you degrade women who have chosen abortion for personal reasons.

Just because YOU couldn't get "any" before you got married, try not to take it out on the rest of the world!

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
12-20-2006, 09:19 PM
Hey Martin, did you read about that plant where they arrested all those illegals? The very next day, Americans were lined up for those jobs.

Gayle in Md.

pooltchr
12-21-2006, 05:48 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> It's all about his dumb policy of replacing sex education, which does prevent STD's, and unwanted pregnancies, with abstinence, which has been proven to put teens more at risk for both. The woman who was in charge, resigned over his stupid policies, BTW.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Gayle,
The report shows us that our mothers and fathers...and even our grandparents were having sex outside of marriage. Nothing the government has done, is doing or will do, is going to change the simple fact that there is a period of time in our lives when sex rules! Whether the "official" policy is to teach kids to "just say no", to redefine sex based on what "is" is, or to hand out condoms in junior high school, none of it will make any difference when two 16 year olds are all worked up.
Why does the government even need to be involved at all???
No administration in the last 70 years has been able to stop people from having sex. Why is GW different, other than the fact that he is your favorite whipping boy?
Steve

Gayle in MD
12-21-2006, 12:42 PM
It's all about his dumb policy of replacing sex education, which does prevent STD's, and unwanted pregnancies, with [ QUOTE ]
<hr /></blockquote> abstinence, which has been proven to put teens more at risk for both. The woman who was in charge, resigned over his stupid policies, BTW. [ QUOTE ]
<hr /></blockquote>

I answered you question already...didn't you read the answer, or, is it that you don't want to believe what I'm telling you? I have all the data. Why do you think the resignation rate is through the roof in this administration? Abstinence for kids in high school doesn't protect them at all from unwanted pregnancies, or STD's, in fact, those involved in abstinence, are more likely to become pregnant, and more likely not to use condoms. Why is it that everything this man does, makes everything worse? What's your answer???

Gayle

pooltchr
12-21-2006, 01:32 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> <hr /></blockquote> abstinence, which has been proven to put teens more at risk for both. <font color="red">I'm sorry, but I'm really confused. How does not having sex put anyone at risk for unwanted pregnancy or catching an STD? </font color> The woman who was in charge, resigned over his stupid policies, BTW. &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
<hr /></blockquote>

I answered you question already...didn't you read the answer, or, is it that you don't want to believe what I'm telling you? I have all the data. Why do you think the resignation rate is through the roof in this administration? <font color="red"> I'm sure it has something to do with our grandparents having sex outside of marriage. </font color> Abstinence for kids in high school doesn't protect them at all from unwanted pregnancies, or STD's, in fact, those involved in abstinence, are more likely to become pregnant, and more likely not to use condoms. <font color="red"> ?????????? those involved in abstinence are more likely to become pregnant??????? Are we having more virgin births these days?????? </font color> Why is it that everything this man does, makes everything worse? What's your answer??? <font color="red"> My answer is there is nothing GW, or any other president can do that is going to make two hormonal teenagers refrain from having sex, if that is what is on both of their minds. However, if HC were to get elected, maybe putting her picture up in every high school in the country would help lower the sex drive of a good many of those young men! /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif </font color>

Gayle

<hr /></blockquote>

I'm sorry...GW spends too much of my tax money, and he hasn't handled the mideast situation very well...but he has no control over the sex lives of American kids.

"Gee, Babs, we better stop. The president says we shouldn't have sex before we're married!"
"Wow, Tommy, you're right! What were we thinking? Let's get our clothes back on and go out for a milk shake!"

Ain't gonna happen!
Steve

Deeman3
12-21-2006, 02:35 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how sex education prevents pregenancy. Is it that people, even kids at the age we are thinking about, don't understand how babies are made or what prevents it by now?

Surely, noone believes that somehow telling them for the 50th time, "use a condom" changes behaviour any more than telling them to abstain! I bet that a larger percentage that listens to the second bit of advice has less pregnancies than even the ones who do listen to the former.

DeeMan

wolfdancer
12-21-2006, 02:51 PM
I tried abstaining when I was young, but I kept staining the sheets....
Certainly if I was a young Republican right now, and the President told me to not have sex, and oh, by he way we're going to ship your a$$ over to Iraq.....
how does that Canadian National Anthem go?

Qtec
12-22-2006, 02:46 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I bet that a larger percentage that listens to the second bit of advice has less pregnancies than even the ones who do listen to the former.

DeeMan
<hr /></blockquote>

Exactly.
The Abstinence program is not about unwanted pregnancies but about stopping kids from having sex altogether. Its a religious driven 'stick your head in the sand' policy that's been PROVEN not to work and only leads to more unwanted pregnancies.

Q

It gets EVEN more surreal.
[ QUOTE ]
Abstinence message goes beyond teens
Updated 10/31/2006 8:32 AM ET
By Sharon Jayson, USA TODAY
The federal government's "no sex without marriage" message isn't just for kids anymore.
Now the government is targeting unmarried adults up to age 29 as part of its abstinence-only programs, which include millions of dollars in federal money that will be available to the states under revised federal grant guidelines for 2007.

The government says the change is a clarification. But critics say it's a clear signal of a more directed policy targeting the sexual behavior of adults.

"They've stepped over the line of common sense," said James Wagoner, president of Advocates for Youth, a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit that supports sex education. "To be preaching abstinence when 90% of people are having sex is in essence to lose touch with reality. It's an ideological campaign. It has nothing to do with public health."

Abstinence education programs, which have focused on preteens and teens, teach that abstaining from sex is the only effective or acceptable method to prevent pregnancy or disease. They give no instruction on birth control or safe sex.

The National Center for Health Statistics says well over 90% of adults ages 20-29 have had sexual intercourse.

<hr /></blockquote>
web page (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm)

pooltchr
12-22-2006, 06:00 AM
Well, let's see...you can't smoke in this country any more...the government is telling us what we can and can not eat in restaurants in New York...now they want to stop people from having sex before marriage. If it continues, we aren't going to be allowed to do anything that's fun any longer! /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Steve

Deeman3
12-22-2006, 09:22 AM
Will I have to stop gambling? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DeeMan

Gayle in MD
12-22-2006, 01:18 PM
Thanks Q, I write about things, thinking that people have heard or read about them. I should do more cutting and pasting? /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

The false information being told to our young people today, by the faith based, government sponsored abstinence programs, have not served the best interests of our teens. Much of what they presently teach, isn't even true. The woman who was Director/Secretary of Helath, Education and Welfare, (I believe that was her position) resigned due to such BS being fed to our teens, and some of the information was not only misleading, but bordered on the ridiculous. I can't recall her name.

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
12-22-2006, 01:29 PM
I'm thinking that if the girls would wear burkas, that might help. I'm all for these young people abstaining until they are 29....sex is something you don't want to rush into.....and it's very addictive...some people are hooked after only one experience.
Mostly though, I'm jealous....I am in an abstinence program, not by choice....and if I ain't getting any...why should they?

Bobbyrx
12-22-2006, 04:17 PM
If you look a little deeper, the study’s author, Lawrence Finer, works for the Guttmacher Institute, which is a pro abortion think tank.............There is no way kids in the 50's and 60's started having sex as early and as often as they do now.......95 percent of young people probably drank alcohol before they were 21 also but I don't think giving a 12 year old the keys to the liquor cabinet is the answer.

pooltchr
12-22-2006, 08:30 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Deeman3:</font><hr> Will I have to stop gambling? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DeeMan <hr /></blockquote>

Well, they just passed a law that prohibits any US credit card from being used for internet gambling sites. The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised. /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Steve