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bradb
01-09-2007, 12:55 PM
I was wondering how many players out there are as frustrated with TV coverage of matches as I am. It seems the producers don't have even a basic knowledge of the game otherwise they would show the shot, and the path to the next ball. Also why continous close ups, I want to study the table not look at a players face for 2 minutes? I realize they have to make coverage interesting but why to the detrement of enjoying the game? - Brad

Rich R.
01-09-2007, 02:59 PM
I believe TV coverage of matches is produced to appeal to the non-player. It is what it is and any pool on TV is better than none at all.

bradb
01-09-2007, 03:19 PM
Yes that is true, and it has gotten better. It was'nt too long ago when a guy with a hand held camera was right in the players face. At least the big tournies have stopped that. But as an ex TV Ad director I know it is possible to make the game interesting and still show it properly. They could at least show the complete shot and the commentator could inform the non-players. That way they would become more interested in the game once they see what the player is trying to do.

mantis
01-09-2007, 09:35 PM
I really don't see what you are talking about during televised events. In general, the pool I watch has mitch lawrence and alan hopkins, jeanette leem or eva lawrence announcing. They generally explain what the player is going to attempt, and then show the full shot and cue ball positioning. I sometimes rewind the shots a few times to watch stroke and cue ball movement. I really don't see how or why they could make it better.

bradb
01-10-2007, 09:40 AM
I'll give you an example. I was watching the Phillipines championships and Steve Davis was playing. In the opening shot Davis made a brilliant kiss onto a ball to hold position and set up the run. We never saw the kiss, but we saw the pot from every angle imaginable!!!. The announcer mentioned it, but it would have been nice to see it. This is just one example of how the intire telecast went. We don't get a lot of pool up here in Canada so I guess its extra frustrating for us.

dogdoc
01-10-2007, 10:08 AM
Just a thought, don't know if it is a good idea or not. One option for TV coverage is to use a split screen. On one screen show a continuous live shot of the table from above. On the other screen show what you see now, the player shooting, facial expressions, crowd shots, etc. with the table top view one can see the entire shot from beginning to end with no interruptions. This way both pool players and spectators can enjoy the broadcast.

bradb
01-10-2007, 10:57 AM
Not a bad idea but could pose a problem for small monitors. I would suggest maybe using the british technique for snooker. They show the whole area as needed for the live shot, then all the interesting views in replay just like in a football game. I especially like the overhead veiw as you really get a great angle for the play. But for live viewing show it as if you were there only of course you have the best seat.

mantis
01-10-2007, 10:27 PM
Almost all of the pool I see is on one of the ESPN channels. They always show the complete shot. I assume you are watching a different channel for this coverage, I know their is one I do not get that was showing some IPT events, maybe that is it.

JohnnyP
01-11-2007, 03:06 AM
Get rid of the "Pocket Cam". We don't need to see the ball coming at us. I want to watch the path of the cueball.

bradb
01-11-2007, 10:30 AM
Amen to the pocket cam!!!
BC Canada no longer recognises pool as a sport thanks to Thorburn's cocaine use and dying interest up here. The only pool we get is some international broacasts and that coverage is based on ball potting and forget shape.! Its also piece meal and often pre-empted for kite flying or some other @#%!!*&%! sport. I guess I'll get satellite if what you say is true about local events.

Stretch
01-11-2007, 11:47 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bradb:</font><hr> Amen to the pocket cam!!!
BC Canada no longer recognises pool as a sport thanks to Thorburn's cocaine use and dying interest up here. The only pool we get is some international broacasts and that coverage is based on ball potting and forget shape.! Its also piece meal and often pre-empted for kite flying or some other @#%!!*&amp;%! sport. I guess I'll get satellite if what you say is true about local events.
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Brad buddy, get the dish. I got the sports package. It is still hit and miss but you can watch and Tape matches of the whole gambit. I saw bits and pieces of the cross boarder challenge, the US Open, the trickshot (artistic billiards) championship, and the Past world Nineball Championships from Manila Philippines. I think that's what you caught watching Steve Davis. I Agree, i didn't like the coverage there AT ALL. It was way better when it was held and produced in England IMO. St.

DeadCrab
01-11-2007, 12:03 PM
I saw a tourney on ESPN a week or so ago from the Mohegan Sun Casino. The din from the slot machines was thoroughly annoying. They had cheerleaders doing their thing between racks (no pun), which was just plain silly.

However, the commentators often provide good descriptions of the shot planning. Would like to see some 8-ball and less of the trick-shot stuff.

bradb
01-11-2007, 04:20 PM
Thanks all!
Looks like I'll have to dig deep and get a satelite dish. Saw those matches (or pieces of them) mentioned and it looks like thats the way it is across Canada. I logged onto IPT's website and their videos are as bad as the casinos with zooming cameras and flashing lights, so not much better there. The Lorrie John Jones/Mike Sigel match up was interesting but poor Lorrie looked scared witless with all the crap going on. Its very frustrating to be interested in a sport that takes a back seat to every thing else. I commend those who are trying to show the game but I question thier tactics.

mantis
01-11-2007, 10:01 PM
I have noticed that the vast majority of stuff has been trick shots lately, which I am getting very sick of. I like it every now and then, but I want regular pool most of the time.

bradb
01-12-2007, 11:20 AM
The trick shot broadcasts are really annoying. Here we have top players, a table, but no game!... Its like foreplay that never goes beyond kissing.
-Brad

slim
01-13-2007, 08:45 AM
Most all ESPN programming of pool has never evolved. The production of the their televised events is no different than lumberjack/log cutting competitions. Its all boiler plate, samo/samo. Don't expect change anytime soon, why, because they have no reason too ITOM.

bradb
01-14-2007, 05:10 PM
Yes it has been boiler plate filler for sports shows with no other programming but pool is getting bigger now, especially overseas. And the pool table manufacturers are seeing increased sales from almost oblivian several years ago. So there must be growing interest.
By the way I just caught an early round match from the US 9 ball open and the coverage was very good. Of course the championship was held last year and thats probably the last I will see of it.

canadan
01-14-2007, 10:57 PM
The thing with pool is its boring if you dont know whats happening.I can watch hours of pool, but put some golf on and im sleeping after a couple shots. Poker on the other hand I could go turn the tv on and there will be some hold'em on. Anyone can play poker not everyone can goto a pool hall and have as much fun. And most coverage is 9 ball and most people dont know the rules and the skill it takes to compete at that level. Thats why a pool playr will never make over 5 milion in a turny. to bad but i love the game.

Predator/2 rulz

jjinfla
01-15-2007, 06:32 AM
Pool runs in cycles and I think it has peaked with the IPT and now is going down again. Nothing really happening now. DCC is over, or almost over, I don't know and I don't care. No real coverage on that. Just a lot of action for players who want to gamble. If I read the chart right it looked like they had about 400 entries into the 9-ball tournament.

People don't like the way ESPN televises pool so ESPN just decides that since people don't like the product they just might as well not televise it at all.

How can people take pool seriously when the players don't take it seriously. How many times do we see players conceeding shots in a tournament? That is nonsense. If a player conceeds a shot he not only should lose that match he should be disqualified from the tournament.

Jake

bradb
01-15-2007, 02:44 PM
When Efrom Rayeas won (not sure spelling) the ratings in Manilla were sky high. Likewise for the Europeans or the Asians for their players and even though they are novices millions tune in for the matches. Sadly very few people in Canada don't even know who Pagalion is. I'll bet that if you asked most Americans to name a famous pool player they would say Minnisota Fats. Probably then only people who play the game are watching on this continent. What we are seeing is a overseas resurgence of pool that is spilling over in to our market and is giving us a shot in the arm. But our local promoters are still in the dark ages on trying to sell the game.

jjinfla
01-16-2007, 06:15 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bradb:</font><hr> When Efrom Rayeas won (not sure spelling) <hr /></blockquote>

I guess that says it all.

Here we have the greatest player in the game and knowledgeable people in the game don't know how to spell his name.

Around here when asked to mention a pro it will either be Mosconi or Hoppe. And of course they grew up with them and played with them.

Jake

Fran Crimi
01-16-2007, 08:31 AM
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I'll bet that if you asked most Americans to name a famous pool player they would say Minnisota Fats. <hr /></blockquote>

Yes and no. It depends on whether they've seen the movie 'The Hustler' or whether they're over 40. 20 Years ago, I'd say you're definitely right, but even Minnesotta Fats' name is losing steam these days. That's what happens when time passes. It's like kids who say, "Who are the Beatles?".

Believe me, everyone's been trying to find the secret marketing formula to bring pool to the forefront but frankly, you can't squeeze blood from a stone. We've tried it all....we've involved movie stars, all kinds of famous people---you name it, in the game. People just aren't interested beyond occasional amusement.

Times are different now and I suspect that even with perfect tv coverage with no expenses spared, we won't be very far from where we are now. I know it sounds gloomy, but I think it's true.

Fran

bradb
01-16-2007, 11:12 AM
Efron Reyes. Now don't tell me you can spell the names of the top ten Asian players without going to the sheet.

As to Fran Crimi's reply, you are right, it does sum it up. I believe the only thing that will elevate pool on this continent is to change its long standing hustler image. It never had that stigma overseas. I believe with a good marketing strategy it can become a respected sport. Its in the advertising the PR and control over promotions where you do that. They did it with cigars of all things??? Hire those guys!!!!

Rich R.
01-16-2007, 11:36 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bradb:</font><hr> Efron Reyes. Now don't tell me you can spell the names of the top ten Asian players without going to the sheet. <hr /></blockquote>
You screwed it up again. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif
It is Efren Reyes.

As far as the other point goes, IMHO, currently the most recognizable pool player is Jeanette Lee.

bradb
01-16-2007, 12:04 PM
Just came from the web and there are 3 pages of sites spelling it with a o? However the tourney sheet on this site spells it with an e. I'm sure that's correct.

You still missed my point. I'm talking about general populace recognition. When Lee wins a big tounament is it sports page news...or is it a small toss off note in the back?

Rich R.
01-16-2007, 03:04 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bradb:</font><hr> You still missed my point. I'm talking about general populace recognition. When Lee wins a big tounament is it sports page news...or is it a small toss off note in the back? <hr /></blockquote>
In general, pool is not sports page news. That is the sad fact. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Jeanette Lee is one of the very few pool players that is know by the general public, non-players included.

bradb
01-16-2007, 05:39 PM
If there is any news on pool there is no other place to put it but in the sports pages, thats where its listings are now. I think pool suffers from lazy marketing, no ads announcing events, no writeups, nothing.
Lee must have done some cross over advertising. If she did...thats how promoting should be done. A writer above mentioned they have tried big events but I don't think they promoted them to broacasting well enough.

Fran Crimi
01-17-2007, 08:01 AM
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If there is any news on pool there is no other place to put it but in the sports pages, thats where its listings are now. <hr /></blockquote>

Not necessarily true, brad. Articles about pool are more often in the 'special interest' section of the papers which show unusual lifestyles of people. At least, that's the way it is in this country. We're all just a freak show to the general public.

Fran

bradb
01-17-2007, 09:08 AM
I see what you mean, I keep appyling my situation to you in the states. Its dismal for all pool fans here but at least if anything it will be in the sports section. This is the time of the year when we get our meager dose of billiards. By Feb it will dwindle out. So only the print media and the web will be there for us.

I sent Alan Morrises message on snooker braodcast to my friends. I think my pool buddy stayed up all night to catch it live!!! hope hes up for work this am.

I've been railing on and on about poor promoting thats hurting pool, I have some experience there as I am in advertising and have been involved in selling events, so I know how it should be done. But the issue though is much deeper then just promoting. I talked to the pro player who installed my table and he says its way worse when you are in it. He's still waiting to be paid for a match he played 6 months ago. Hes spent time and trouble traveling to matches only to have them cancelled.

But Pool always be here thanks to great sites like this and us die hard fans who brave the conditions and love the game. -Brad

Rich R.
01-18-2007, 07:55 AM
Just one last thought on this topic, if I may.

As in any sport/game, promotion costs money.
In a sport/game like pool, where there is not enough money for prize funds, it is very difficult to obtain additional money for promotion. In the states, the newspaper and TV sports writers seem to totally ignore pool, so there is no free publicity.
It is a very difficult situation. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif