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eg8r
01-12-2007, 11:21 AM
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GOP hits Pelosi's 'hypocrisy' on wage bill
By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
January 12, 2007

House Republicans yesterday declared "something fishy" about the major tuna company in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco district being exempted from the minimum-wage increase that Democrats approved this week.
"I am shocked," said Rep. Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican and his party's chief deputy whip, noting that Mrs. Pelosi campaigned heavily on promises of honest government. "Now we find out that she is exempting hometown companies from minimum wage. This is exactly the hypocrisy and double talk that we have come to expect from the Democrats."
On Wednesday, the House voted to raise the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 per hour.
The bill also extends for the first time the federal minimum wage to the U.S. territory of the Northern Mariana Islands. However, it exempts American Samoa, another Pacific island territory that would become the only U.S. territory not subject to federal minimum-wage laws.
One of the biggest opponents of the federal minimum wage in Samoa is StarKist Tuna, which owns one of the two packing plants that together employ more than 5,000 Samoans, or nearly 75 percent of the island's work force. StarKist's parent company, Del Monte Corp., has headquarters in San Francisco, which is represented by Mrs. Pelosi. The other plant belongs to California-based Chicken of the Sea.
"There's something fishy going on here," said Rep. Patrick T. McHenry, North Carolina Republican.
During the House debate yesterday on stem-cell research, Mr. McHenry raised a parliamentary inquiry as to whether an amendment could be offered that would exempt American Samoa from stem-cell research, "just as it was for the minimum-wage bill."
A clearly perturbed Rep. Barney Frank, the Massachusetts Democrat who was presiding, cut off Mr. McHenry and shouted, "No, it would not be."
"So, the chair is saying I may not offer an amendment exempting American Samoa?" Mr. McHenry pressed.
"The gentleman is making a speech and will sustain," Mr. Frank shouted as he slammed his large wooden gavel against the rostrum.
Some Republicans who voted in favor of the minimum-wage bill were particularly irritated to learn yesterday -- after their vote -- that the legislation did not include American Samoa.
"I was troubled to learn of this exemption," said Rep. Mark Steven Kirk, Illinois Republican. "My intention was to raise the minimum wage for everyone. We shouldn't permit any special favors or exemptions that are not widely discussed in Congress. This is the problem with rushing legislation through without full debate."
A spokeswoman for Mrs. Pelosi said Wednesday that the speaker has not been lobbied in any way by StarKist or Del Monte.
<hr /></blockquote> Well that did not take long did it. No wonder they are trying to push all this crap through as fast as possible.

Washington Times Link (http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070112-120720-2734r.htm)

eg8r

pooltchr
01-12-2007, 07:50 PM
Less than two weeks into her term as SOH! I guess we are starting to get an indication of what to expect. Thank goodness the Republicans aren't in charge! We finally have a group that will be accountable! /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Steve

Chopstick
01-13-2007, 06:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr>
Some Republicans who voted in favor of the minimum-wage bill were particularly irritated to learn yesterday -- after their vote -- that the legislation did not include American Samoa.
"I was troubled to learn of this exemption," said Rep. Mark Steven Kirk, Illinois Republican.
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<font color="blue">Yeah, well I am troubled every time I hear of yet another example of law makers signing stuff they aren't even reading. It's all this piggy back legislation that has the system all screwed up. They will write a bill about one thing and then tack on all this other stuff, which may or may not have anything to do with the main part of the bill, in the fine print. It all goes through because 99% of the Congress is not doing their job. If you are going to pass a law, read the freakin thing first! </font color>

moblsv
01-13-2007, 08:22 AM
What happens when you oppose a bill for these reasons?

HEADLINE: Dem votes to kill kittens.

REALITY: Bill to fund Animal Shelter contains tax breaks for Exxon and opens ANWR for drilling.

What do you think they would be posting if this failed? Certainly not, "Pelosi is so great because she is insisting on perfect bill".

If we only passed perfect bills, nothing would ever get through.

Gayle in MD
01-13-2007, 09:06 AM
That's why I wish all earmarks would be done away with completely. Regardless, few but the blind followers could disagree with the facts about a President, and Republican led congress, doing any more damage than Bush, and the Republican led congress of the last six years.

International damage probably irreversable, especially in the Middle East. Emboldened ememies, which the National Security Estimate says plainly have been emboldened by Bush's policies...Even when our own 16 National Secuirty Agencies report that terrorism, anti American sentiment, loss of allies, circumstances in Iraq dire and degrading in a civil war, 81 percent of Iraqis want us out, almost that many think they are correct to kill our troops, there are still sadly some, roughly 30%, (almost all from the right) in this country who continue to deny the truth, and support Bush's devastating resulting destruction, and the on-going dangerous implications of what George Bush and the neocon philosophies have done to us, thereby putting us at greater risk, with more enemies than ever, and increased threat from radical Muslim groups.

I am greatly encouraged by the Republican back lash which has finally surfaced thanks to the overall public awareness that George Bush, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld have been lying to us for years, and their recent demands that they stop lying, from Republicans, as well as Democrats, right down to the Bakers report, it is undeniable, they have been lying from the start.

Funny how the worst of the worst in the denial camp, can zero in on an earmark, but overlook all the more dangerous lies and failures of bush and friends.

Dire and degrading, militarily unwinnable, increasing the threat and danger to our country, emboldening our enemies, in need of diplomatic efforts and talks with enemies Bush refuses to talk with, and what does he do??? Send our people to more slaughter, and waste more billions. But!!!! Let's not take our eyes off that earmark~!!!

What collosal stupidity!

Gayle in Md...or...Mary in Ga, either way, not dumb enough to support George Bush!!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Chopstick
01-13-2007, 09:34 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote moblsv:</font><hr> What happens when you oppose a bill for these reasons?

HEADLINE: Dem votes to kill kittens.

REALITY: Bill to fund Animal Shelter contains tax breaks for Exxon and opens ANWR for drilling.

What do you think they would be posting if this failed? Certainly not, "Pelosi is so great because she is insisting on perfect bill".

If we only passed perfect bills, nothing would ever get through. <hr /></blockquote>

Why can't a bill just be about the one thing that is in the title of the bill? I know that it has evolved as part of the give and take of the political system. If you want this then you also have to vote for stuff I want. I just think it has been taken too far.

When you add in the fact that on more than one occasion congressmen have admitted that they do not read every bill they vote on, it has just gotten out of control.

Here's another scenario based on the animal shelter bill. A senator is having a press conference when some reporter pops up and asks why he voted for tax breaks for Exxon and opening ANWR for drilling. He probably never even knew he did. He can't say that out loud so he launches into this psycho-babble about he did but he really didn't and blah, blah, blah and people call him a flip flopper. Better to be called that, than to be called incompetent at his job.

If Nancy P. wants to improve the quality of the bills they write, I am all for it.

Gayle in MD
01-13-2007, 09:48 AM
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<hr /></blockquote> Earmarks in all federal spending bills have grown from just over 4,000 in 1994 to nearly 16,000 in 2005, while the value doubled from about $20 billion to $41 billion. [ QUOTE ]
<hr /></blockquote>

Is there any other President who has never vetoed a single spending bill? Just wondering...

The Republican led Congress has brought Earmark Pork Barrel spending to a whole new level, that's for sure.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
01-13-2007, 11:41 AM
http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-printable.cfm?doc_name=fs-108-2-72

Yeh, Like Republicans made Bush accountable??? check the link on how he treats our troops. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

President George W. Bush, New York Times, 3/17/04

President Bush has repeatedly asserted that he strongly supports our troops and is committed to ensuring that they receive the equipment they need and the pay and benefits they and their families have earned. Unfortunately, the President's record does not match his rhetoric. This report provides a fact check on the President's record on three issues of critical importance to our troops: body armor, health care, and combat pay.

Body Armor

The Bush Administration's failure to adequately prepare for the Iraq war and its aftermath left thousands of our troops exposed to enemy fire without sufficient body armor and heavily armored Humvees. Tens of thousands of soldiers deployed to Iraq were outfitted with Vietnam-era flak jackets incapable of stopping an AK-47 round instead of the Army's best body armor because the Bush Administration had failed to procure and provide them with the needed armor kits prior to their deployment. As of December 2003, nine months after the invasion and more than a year after U.S. forces were deployed to the region, 40,000 of the 130,000 soldiers in Iraq still lacked the best body armor.

While the Defense Department now claims to finally have distributed body armor in sufficient quantities to protect all troops, the Bush Administration has still failed to provide other equipment that could make our troops more secure. For example, more than 10,000 of the 12,000 Humvees in Iraq are currently without adequate armor. The Bush Administration's Fiscal Year 2005 budget would provide funding for the construction of 818 new armored Humvees, but provides zero funding for upgrading the 10,000 vulnerable vehicles already in Iraq. The Army does not expect a full compliment of heavily armored Humvees to arrive in Iraq for more than a year.


Democrats voted to increase funding for protective gear, including body armor. In an effort to address this problem, on October 2, 2003, Democrats supported an amendment to the Fiscal Year 2004 Supplemental Appropriations bill, introduced by Senator Dodd, that would have provided an additional $322 million for safety equipment, including body armor. Republicans united to defeat this amendment, tabling it by a 49-37 vote (Vote No. 376).

Democrats also strongly supported an amendment to the Fiscal Year 2003 Supplemental Appropriations bill, offered by Senator Landrieu, that would have appropriated $1.047 billion for National Guard and Reserve procurement. Despite the fact that National Guard and Reserve troops serving in Iraq are the most likely to lack appropriate body armor, Republicans tabled this amendment on April 2, 2003, in a 52-47 vote (Vote No. 116). Finally, during the course of last year's appropriations process, Senator Leahy successfully worked with his colleagues on the Appropriations Committee to add $220 million to the National Guard and Reserve discretionary equipment account.


Health Care

President Bush opposed providing health care to soldiers serving on the front lines in Iraq and the War on Terrorism and their families. Despite his recent rhetoric, President Bush has clearly and repeatedly opposed providing reservists and their families with access to military health care. On July 8, 2003, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld stated "If the President is presented a bill that...expands TRICARE, then I would join other senior advisors to the President in recommending that he veto the bill."

An October 16, 2003 Statement of Administration Policy asserted that "The Administration strongly opposes...an amendment that was accepted by the Senate to provide for expanded benefits under the TRICARE program." Finally, OMB Director Bolton wrote, on October 21, 2003, that "The Administration strongly opposes...the provision that would expand benefits under the TRICARE program."


Even after Congress overrode the President's objections and passed legislation, the Administration continues to deny reservists access to military health care. On November 6, 2003, Congress overrode the President's objections and passed legislation opening the TRICARE program to National Guard and Reserve soldiers and their families for one year. Even though the President signed this legislation, his Administration has refused to implement the law, and thousands of reservists and their families have been denied access to health care. In fact, the Military Officers Association of America (MOAA) reports that "the Pentagon has yet to offer any timetable for implementation or give any indication that implementation planning has even begun. Apparently, they're clinging to the hope that they can somehow get out of this responsibility." (Legislative Update, 2/27/04).

MOAA further argues that "it's disgraceful that Pentagon leadership is slow-rolling implementation of the new statutory requirement to provide fee-based TRICARE coverage for Selected Reserve members who have no health coverage through a civilian employer....It's time for Pentagon leaders to stop dragging their feet, start supporting the troops, and get busy delivering this much-needed coverage."


Democrats have consistently pushed to provide citizen soldiers and their families with affordable health care. Over the last year, the Senate overcame the Administration's opposition and passed several provisions to provide reservists with access to health care. Last year, Congress passed legislation to provide health care for one year to those reservists who either are unemployed or have no employer-based health insurance. On March 10, 2004, the Senate adopted a Daschle amendment to permanently provide health care to reservists and their families and to cover a portion of the health care costs for those reservists who choose to retain their private health insurance.


Combat Pay

President Bush actively opposed combat pay increases. After having failed to request increases in family separation allowance and imminent danger pay for all soldiers serving abroad and facing hostile fire, the White House then opposed congressional efforts to provide these increases. On August 14, 2003, during debate on the Fiscal Year 2003 Supplemental Appropriations bill, Undersecretary of Defense David Chu announced that the Defense Department opposed extending increases past the end of Fiscal Year 2003. One month earlier, the Defense Department sent Congress an interim budget report calling for the expiration of the increases.


Democrats support increases in combat pay bonuses. On April 2, 2003, Senate Democrats helped pass an amendment to the Fiscal Year 2003 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill that increased family separation allowance from $100 to $250 per month and imminent danger pay from $150 to $225 monthly for eligible military personnel. On November 6, 2003, Congress then passed a provision in the Fiscal Year 2004 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill that extended the increases permanently to all those soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

SpiderMan
01-15-2007, 08:04 AM
Are we saying that, because "Bush is Bad", it's OK for the incoming Democratic congress to practice wholesale theft and dishonesty? Didn't they just promise to "do better"?

I wonder how much body armor could have been bought for the value of this disgusting barrel of pork Pelosi just fired back to the folks pulling her strings?

As I've noted over and over again, there's no significant difference between the left (Democrat) and right (Republican) wings of the American Socialist Party.

SpiderMan

Qtec
01-15-2007, 08:56 AM
So 300 million plus Americans now have a better wage and 5,000 people , who live 1-000s of miles from the US, are exempt.
Do Samoans have an equivilent cost of living threshhold as someone living in NY or LA? Do they need $7 bucks an hour just to live because thats what the Min Wage its all about.

Q........didn't hear you complain about the sweatshops, forced abortions, slave labour etc when DeLay- top man by the GOP- sought exemptions for the Mariana's!
The Dems will have to go some to reach the level of corruption shown by the last Admin. [IMO its an impossible task.]

news (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/12/AR2007011201966.html)

eg8r
01-15-2007, 09:57 AM
All that hot air wasted and you never said one thing that had anything to do with the subject.

eg8r

eg8r
01-15-2007, 10:01 AM
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So 300 million plus Americans now have a better wage and 5,000 people , who live 1-000s of miles from the US, are exempt.
Do Samoans have an equivilent cost of living threshhold as someone living in NY or LA? Do they need $7 bucks an hour just to live because thats what the Min Wage its all about.

Q........didn't hear you complain about the sweatshops, forced abortions, slave labour etc when DeLay- top man by the GOP- sought exemptions for the Mariana's!
The Dems will have to go some to reach the level of corruption shown by the last Admin. [IMO its an impossible task.] <hr /></blockquote> If you are going to state you are better than the outgoing crowd and you promise to what is right, do not do everything in your power to prove you are a liar during your first week on the job.

eg8r

eg8r
01-15-2007, 10:02 AM
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Yeah, well I am troubled every time I hear of yet another example of law makers signing stuff they aren't even reading. <hr /></blockquote> I hear ya. They don't get to naysay after the fact, they had their chance to say something with their vote. I seriously doubt any of the politicians actually read this stuff.

eg8r

eg8r
01-15-2007, 10:06 AM
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What do you think they would be posting if this failed? <hr /></blockquote> You know what, I don't care what you think they would be posting. It all comes down to the fact that they stated they would be doing the right thing. They would stand up to all the crookedness of the Right and do the right thing. Well, when the rubber hits the road we find out they are no different and now you are sitting here giving excuses. You guys have been mouthing off about the Cons on this board for giving W and company excuses, and now you go and do the very same thing. Hilarious.

eg8r

eg8r
01-15-2007, 10:08 AM
Hey Gayle what do you have to say about your little hero and her pork barrel spending? Hypocrites. Scary to say this is just the beginning.

Say you are going to do the right thing and trip up trying to get out the gate. Plain sad.

eg8r

hondo
01-15-2007, 11:15 AM
I know I feel a lot better about the Republicans
by knowing that the Dems are ALMOST as bad. LOL!
Thanks, eg.
BTW, I have little illusions about either party.
I just hope and pray that things get better than
they've been the last 6 years. Have to wait and see.
It seems rather un-American to jump up and down with
glee once the Dems get caught in something.
It's about time Americans get disgusted with all
corruption in government and quit blindly trying to
defend their particular party. Don't you agree, EG?


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> Hey Gayle what do you have to say about your little hero and her pork barrel spending? Hypocrites. Scary to say this is just the beginning.

Say you are going to do the right thing and trip up trying to get out the gate. Plain sad.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

Gayle in MD
01-15-2007, 11:34 AM
No, what "WE" are saying is this. We have over two thousand Double Amputees from this war, and an unprecedented number of brain injuries. The man who brought national attention to the fact that our troops did not have, and still do not have Truck Armour, or the helmet inserts they need, which would have greatly reduced brain injuries and amputations, was John Murtha, and Republicans refused to institute oversight requested by Democrats for six years on the President, the Iraqi contractors, and Secretary of Defense who refused to provide it. What WE are saying, is that I find it absolutely incredible, that you, or any other American, could be zeroed in on an article from the Washington Times, of all papers, about one lousy earmark in one bill with supposed pork barrel spending, at a time when Bush is escalating this war, and has hinged it's success on a man like Maliki, with a record of refusing to stand up and take any actions that would stop the sectarian violence in Iraq. A man who is in bed with the worst cut-throats in Iraq, and Iran, while he sends more of our troops to the middle of a slaughter in a sectarian war. A war which the national security advisor to the Prime Minister stated was NOT sectarian. a Statement which Rice said just last week. A war for which the President says is a war in Terror, when there are only 1200 alQaeda in Iraq. Apparently, the fact that Rice was called a liar, in so many words, by both Republicans and Democrats, investigating the President's plan to sacrifice more young Americans, but somehow slipped past the right wing attention of Bush supporters.

I don't know if this story about Pelosi, is true, or not, there are other issues which I am presently focussed on, but I hardly think Republican supporters would be the ones to criticise Democrats, given the unprecedented Republicn record on the issue of earmarks. Or the Republican parctice of cutting taxes, and borrowing the money to pay for the cuts from China, at a time when we are in a war that costs 8 billion a month. A war which has shown no progress, with circumstances dire and degrading. A war the costs of which 3 of that 8 billion is going to private companies, like Halliburton, who charge our troops $65 dollars for a six pack of coke!

I am focussed on a President who won't leave Iraq until they can protect their borders, respect international humanitarian rights, uphold their laws, and answers to its people, but doesn't get it that he refuses to do any of that right here in America, and the thirty percent in this country who are either too stupid, or too partisan, to take notice his failing policies, and his obvious deceit.

I am more focussed on the fact that Bush says consequences of getting out of Iraq will be devastating, but at the same time he tries to threaten Maliki that America's committment in Iraq, is not open ended, suggesting that if this escalation fails, we'll leave, since he will have killed thousands moore of our troops while creating his next policy of ...blame and run, because I don't think even George Bush is stupid enough to think it's going to work.

I am more focussed on the fact that NEOCONS want to invade Iran, and Syria, since we can't win in Irqaq, and Bush thinks he has the authority to do so without Congressional, or Senate approval.

I've said already, I think earmarks should be banned, regardless of which party is abusing them, usually the one in power, and I would remind you that I voted for both Ford, and Reagan, and have been Republican, Independent, and Democratic, regardless of certain posters who seem unable to absorb that fact, or to understand that my complete disgust with Bush, and anyone who supports him, has to do with his complete incompetence, lies, and on-going failures which have killed over three thousand Americans, and still has not captured bin Laden, or implemented the safety factors here on our shores to increase our safety, while he subsidizes Oil companies, who are enjoying some of the greatest profits ever recorded, and intimidates and censors Scientific reports on Global Warming.

I am much more focussed on the Scientific statement that this year was the warmest ever recorded, in the same week that Bush lifted the oil drilling ban in Alaska.

Forgive me if one earmark is not my most important concern at the moment.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
01-15-2007, 11:41 AM
It's funny Steve, but I don't recall a sing;e complaint from eith you, eg8r, or any other rightie about lies, or spending the whole time the Republicans were lying and spending us into oblivion! That's not partisan???

Talk about hypocracy!!! Atleast I am against earmarks, all earmarks, and for public financed campaigns. However, I do intend to investigate this accusation, and if it is true, I'll be the first one to speak out against Pelosi.

Gayle in Md.

SpiderMan
01-15-2007, 01:56 PM
Again, as I noted, Republicans vs Democrats = no substantial difference. It doesn't speak well for her brains that she got caught so quickly, though.

Everyone that's so relieved at the "changing of the guard" will soon realize that only the names (and those of the beneficiaries) have changed.

SpiderMan

pooltchr
01-15-2007, 05:36 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> So 300 million plus Americans now have a better wage and 5,000 people , who live 1-000s of miles from the US, are exempt.
Do Samoans have an equivilent cost of living threshhold as someone living in NY or LA? Do they need $7 bucks an hour just to live because thats what the Min Wage its all about.

<hr /></blockquote>

Q,
Taking your reasoning a step farther, does someone living in New York City have the same cost of living as someone in Monks Corner, North Carolina? I think probably not. The cost of living changes drastically throughout our country. Applying minimum wage has never been about what is fair. It is about buying votes. Seems to me like the people in San Francisco probably need it more than a lot of people throughout the US. But Nancy is in charge now, and she can do whatever she wants to do.
By the way, I think I made the prediction back in November that this would be the first of many twisted laws the "new" congress would push through. I wish I had been wrong.
You are trying to make excuses for them, but I can guarantee the tax dollars are going to continue to flow...they will just be redirected to those who support the Dems now.
The two party system is badly broken in this country, and neither side seems interested in fixing it. They just want to be in power so they can take advantage of it for themselves.
Steve

Gayle in MD
01-16-2007, 08:30 AM
Well Marty I can't agree with that for one main reason. When this administration took over the White House, they also wiped out two hundred years of institutional tradition and operational standards, IOW, Party trumped Institution. The Vice President had maintained all the way back to the Ford and Reagan Administrations that the framers were wrong and that the checks and balances, set up by our Contitutional Framers, had to be undone.

The Institutional rivalry designed by the framers gave way to Cheney's decades old plan, and a relationship developed, which Dennis Hastard enthusiastically embraced, in whichthat rivalry, intended by our framers, gave way to a relationship in which Congress assumed a position subordinate to the executive. The President set the agenda of congress and made clear he expected Republican leaders in Congress (his "lieutenants") to deliver. Information was blocked from the opposing party, and Congressional oversight was interrupted in unprecedented ways.

While I do agree that while overall human tendency resides in members of both parties, I think that the dangers and results of such extreme partisanship, and unconstitutional actions, and especially when there exists a presidency and administration which has obviously lied throughout their tenure, present a much greater devastation to American life, than the overall problem of Pork Barrel spending, and earmarks.

As I say, I haven't studied the accusations against Pelosi yet, only because it has been such a very busy ten days politically, and internationally. My attention, as regards spending, has been eclipsed by the outrageous actions of Bush, and the Halliburton, and other, contractors, what they have stolen, and how their presence in Iraq, has been a huge part of the reason why our people are being slaughtered over there. When you have Iraqis with a 40% unemployment rate, and you are sending thieves like Halliburton, and others, to do the reconstruction, building hope among Iraqis is greatly damaged. With no electricity, the youths find their way into the Mosques, where they are enlisted to join the insurgency, and kill more Americans. When these contractors hide in the green zone, and the trash mount on the streets, bombs are dropped un-noticed into the trash piles. When no one is protecting and re-building the oil lines, al Qaeda, and the other terrorists have been able to tap into them, and steal oil and sell it to buy more weapons to kill and injure our troops.

I find it revealing that so much is being made by the right, over one earmark, after so much silence over the fact that Republicans have blocked bills to provide protective gear for our people, and incompetence by this administration which had no plan for the occupation, no oversight on all the missing money, no accountability to the country for the collosal mess they have made of this war, and still no reasonable strategy for winning it.

I disagree that only the names have changed, and I think we have seen that in the last week during the investigative committee hearings. And, given that George Bush is making noises and threats against not one, but two other Middle East countries in his on-going saber rattling, I find it greatly encouraging that he will atleast, atlast, have to answer to both Democrats, and apparently, Republicans, for his lies and incompetence, as will Secretary Rice, and others.

Gayle in Md.

jGayle in Md.

Deeman3
01-16-2007, 12:12 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> So 300 million plus Americans now have a better wage and 5,000 people , who live 1-000s of miles from the US, are exempt.

<font color="blue"> Q, Nancy P.'s exemption is far from the only exemption that they have included. Small farms, anything not a major corporate farm, small buinesses and many others are excluded. So instead of impacing 300 million workers it will raise the wages of about 4 million, most of whom are middle class kids working in fast food enterprises. The real working poor will continue to suffer under the democrats plan as they would under any other. Nancy will protect her local political rear if not the needs of the poor. I wish she would have selected to set a good example instead. She is in a unique position to make a difference for a small period of time but the clock is running. </font color>

DeeMan

Bobbyrx
01-16-2007, 04:09 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> So 300 million plus Americans now have a better wage and 5,000 people , who live 1-000s of miles from the US, are exempt.
<font color="blue">So we ALL get a pay raise? (On Tuesday, October 17, 2006 at 7:46 a.m. (EDT), the estimated population of the United States reached 300 million.[Wikipedia] And why not make it 15 or 20 dollars an hour not a measley 7 something

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eg8r
01-17-2007, 06:56 AM
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I know I feel a lot better about the Republicans
by knowing that the Dems are ALMOST as bad. LOL!
Thanks, eg.
BTW, I have little illusions about either party.
I just hope and pray that things get better than
they've been the last 6 years. Have to wait and see.
It seems rather un-American to jump up and down with
glee once the Dems get caught in something.
It's about time Americans get disgusted with all
corruption in government and quit blindly trying to
defend their particular party. Don't you agree, EG?
<hr /></blockquote> The main reason for the post was because of all the absolutely dumb posts on here about Reps being more corrupt and adding more pork to their bills than the Dems. This is basically one of the first bills passed and they have already proved they have no intention of "doing the right thing". Pretty sporty of you to mention the un-American thing. Didn't you and the rest of the dems spoil your panties when the comment was made towards you?

For your last question...I agree to a point. I am disgusted with all politicians. However, pointing out examples of lies from those in charge is not defending a particular party. Frankly, I am not doing anything different than you, Gayle, or wolf have been doing for the past 6 years. The only thing different is that it took quite a few months before W did something that did not sit well with the Dems. It turns out Pelosi took just 48 hours to show her true self.

eg8r

eg8r
01-17-2007, 07:06 AM
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It's funny Steve, but I don't recall a sing;e complaint from eith you, eg8r, or any other rightie about lies, or spending the whole time the Republicans were lying and spending us into oblivion! That's not partisan??? <hr /></blockquote> Alright, I give up, absolute pursuit of denial has been reached. After reading this post of yours I don't find it hard to understand why I think more lies flow through your dirty gutter mouth than W has ever uttered. I would go out on a limb and claim to be one of the first on this board to mention my disdain for W's spending. I even called him a moderate because of it. There is only one of other name more despicable than being called a Moderate and that is Democrat. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif We have all mentioned W's horrible spending at least a million times (sorry for the embellishment). To be quite honest the last time you uttered this lie we posted to say that we agreed with you about W's spending being out of control.

How many times does someone have to agree with you before you quit lying about their answer?

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However, I do intend to investigate this accusation, and if it is true, I'll be the first one to speak out against Pelosi.
<hr /></blockquote> Mighty proud of you to offer your time to "investigate". I am sure everyone is quaking at the knees. Will your investigation be delayed until Meet the Press covers it? LOL, this post of your is hilarious. Watch out Pelosi, Nancy Drew is on the case. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

hondo
01-17-2007, 07:25 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
I know I feel a lot better about the Republicans
by knowing that the Dems are ALMOST as bad. LOL!
Thanks, eg.
BTW, I have little illusions about either party.
I just hope and pray that things get better than
they've been the last 6 years. Have to wait and see.
It seems rather un-American to jump up and down with
glee once the Dems get caught in something.
It's about time Americans get disgusted with all
corruption in government and quit blindly trying to
defend their particular party. Don't you agree, EG?
<hr /></blockquote> The main reason for the post was because of all the absolutely dumb posts on here about Reps being more corrupt and adding more pork to their bills than the Dems. This is basically one of the first bills passed and they have already proved they have no intention of "doing the right thing". Pretty sporty of you to mention the un-American thing. Didn't you and the rest of the dems spoil your panties when the comment was made towards you?

For your last question...I agree to a point. I am disgusted with all politicians. However, pointing out examples of lies from those in charge is not defending a particular party. Frankly, I am not doing anything different than you, Gayle, or wolf have been doing for the past 6 years. The only thing different is that it took quite a few months before W did something that did not sit well with the Dems. It turns out Pelosi took just 48 hours to show her true self.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

" Dems spoiled their panties" ? Judging from the number
of Republicans who have been caught with intern's
penises in their mouth, it would seem they're more likely
to wear panties.
It's mean spirited posts like your last one that make
you so endearing on here, eg.
Trust me, you're nothing like me.

eg8r
01-17-2007, 07:27 AM
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Trust me, you're nothing like me. <hr /></blockquote> So be it.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
01-17-2007, 07:39 AM
I find your posts repulsive. I've never seen either you, or Steve, originate a post complaining about anything Republicans do, from lying us into a war, to giving out no bid contracts to companies like Bektel, one of Bush's huge contributors, and paying them $16,000 dollars per trailer to move each one 60 miles up the road. Unlike you, I don't post for the sole purpose of insulting people. I am angry over the Bush administration refusing to own up to their lies and incompetence, which has cost the lives of over three thousand Americans, and over two thousand of them are double amputees, thanks to Bush's refusal to spend money on redesigning the bottom of their vehicles to protect our troops from the loss of arms and legs, provide helmet inserts to reduce the number of brain injuries, and provide decent treatment for veterans, who have fought in a war that was illegal and immoral, while at the same time he does nothing about Halliburton stealing billions from the a funds for troop protection in this war.

Bush has this country three and a half trillion dollars in debt, and you jump on here in protest one earmark, but not a word to say about a President and Administration which has executed the greatest, most damaging, and most deceitful attack on America that has ever been launched. You can't write a post without insulting me, and dragging my name into everything you write...too bad you don't have the knowledge to debate the issues, instead. We will never have to worry about you forwarding any information from a book, or documentary, that's for sure.

Have at it...you posts continue to reflect your ignorance, and your addiction to insulting me, but if you ever do get to Maryland, let's see how eager and willing you will be to go with me to Walter Reed for a close up view of your hero's handy work.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
01-17-2007, 07:46 AM
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If what you say is true, I agree completely. Hard to imagine she would do as you say, right at the start of her tenure, and think it wouldn't have been noticed and highlighted immediately by the press.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
01-17-2007, 11:31 AM
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I find your posts repulsive. <hr /></blockquote> OK, but so what. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif I don't care.

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I've never seen either you, or Steve, originate a post complaining about anything Republicans do, <hr /></blockquote> This is because you have a selective memory, in this case you have turned it off.

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Bush has this country three and a half trillion dollars in debt, and you jump on here in protest one earmark <hr /></blockquote> Yep. Mainly because of you. You blast W for every single little mix up. You have this mentality that all will be better with the Dems. Well wake lady, nothing has changed and your favorite little lady on the hill screwed up right as she was getting out of the gate. She foolishly thought she would get away with it. Well, when you boldly lie to the nation by stating you will do what is right, you can bet I will show it. If you didn't act like the left was so righteous and they can do no wrong it would not have even been a subject, it was just business as usual, but you decided that you would knock every single little thing that happens, so I thought I would sit around and wait till the Left did something. Who would have known the wait was only going to last 48 hours. LOL, your bunch hasn't even taken their shoes off and they are screwing up.

eg8r

SpiderMan
01-17-2007, 11:56 AM
Gayle,

While there's no lack of evidence that "Bush is Bad", you shouldn't turn a blind eye to the other 50% of self-serving clowns in Washington.

Yes, the names have changed, and yes, the misappropriation of public trust will continue.

I'm reserving final judgement of Bush until we see who he pardons on his way out. That was the last straw for me with Clinton.

SpiderMan

Vapros
01-17-2007, 01:51 PM
Gayle, I'm tired of hearing you belly-ache because the Republicans are lying to you. They are professional politicians, and that's what they do for a living. If you think electing Democrats to replace them will be a solution to that problem, you are dreaming. What will your excuse be when the Democrats lie to you?

Gayle in MD
01-17-2007, 02:23 PM
If they lie to me about sending our people to die in a war that they created their own intelligence for, you'll have to listen to the same $**t!!

Yes, all politicians lie. It's a matter of degree, and resulting damage, in my opinion.

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Gayle in MD
01-17-2007, 02:34 PM
Hey, he's already pardoned over fifty criminals! But, he won't pardon the Border Patrolmen who shot the illegal alien drug dealer??? Please, help me on this one!

Hey marty, we all know, they're all crooks. Most of them go into politics to rub shoulders with the rich and powerful. They do it to line their own damn pockets. Our only hope is public financed campaigns, and even that, would still leave plenty of room for corruption.

What's the answer, I don't know. It's beyond me. I used to think if women ran everything, it would be better. Silly me!

I still maintain, though, that this bunch is the worst ever. That doesn't mean I think the other side is lilly white. I keep saying, it's a matter of degree.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
01-18-2007, 11:47 AM
Her favorite politician already lied to her and it only took a few weeks for it to prove out. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

In another post Gayle answers your question, she basically says it depends on who is doing the lying. If it is a Democrat then she does not care.

eg8r