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S0Noma
01-13-2007, 10:53 AM
Video (http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/264)

Chopstick
01-14-2007, 07:33 AM
I like this one better. It's on the same page. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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FatsRedux
01-14-2007, 01:14 PM
Ah..the joys of T.R.O.P (TM)!:

Wife beatings, honor killings, genital mutilation, beheadings, infidel killings, backwardness, general hatred, intolerance, and the reduction of women to mindless slaves.

What an amusing bunch of primitives. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Fats Redux

FatsRedux
01-14-2007, 01:53 PM
A Discussion on Wife Beating in Islam
http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=455

The following is a discussion on wife-beating in Islam:

Host: I want to ask Dr. Yusri something. You are among those who defend wife beating. You yourself beat your wife and you defend your beliefs. Why do you beat your wife? How many times…

Dr. Yusri: We are getting sidetracked. The honorable sheikh is talking about violence. First of all, let's clarify the meaning of the word "violence". Violence is forbidden from the social, religious, and traditional perspectives.

Host: Beatings are also forbidden.

Dr. Yusri: No, no. One moment. When we define the meaning of the word "violence"… In the language, "violence" is when I do something or when I act in a harsh and brutal manner, when the same could have been done in a less harsh manner. The Prophet Muhammad said: "Allah rewards gentleness than He rewards violence." For instance, if there is a door that I can open with one finger, but I hit it hard or punch it, them I'm violent.

Host: Do you give your wife "light" beatings? I wish you would answer.

Dr. Yusri: I just told you - the term "violence" does not apply to beatings.

Host: It doesn't?!

Dr. Yusri: No. It doesn't. The term "violence" does not apply to beatings.

Host: So what would you call beatings then?

Dr. Yusri: Beatings are in some cases called "violence," and in other cases they are not. In those cases, they are termed "treatment", or "remedy".

Host: Yusri, you are beating around the bush. She asked you a question: Why do you beat your wife? Why do you beat your wife?!

Dr. Yusri: If there are cases in which (beating) is required by logic, by reason, or by religion… Allah said, regarding women: "Admonish those of them on whose part you fear disobedience and leave them alone in their beds and beat them." What should we do with the words "beat them"? I have an interpretation of the word "beat". What is the meaning of the word "beatings"?

Al-Jundi: The problem here is even more serious. The problem is that this is a justification for aggression against others based on a Koranic verse.

Dr. Yusri: This isn't aggression.

Al-Jundi: Beatings are aggression. Beatings are aggression, since they inflict bodily pain. It is inflicting bodily pain on another. Whatever term is used, this is the meaning. The word "beating" means inflicting pain.

Dr. Yusri: So what should we do with this verse – "and beat them"?

Al-Jundi: Are there any prophetic traditions saying that the Prophet punched 'Aisha, or punched Hadija, or poked Hafza's eye or… Such things never happened, and we will not allow this offense against Islam. The problem is more severe than the beating of a wife. The problem is that Islam is being beaten up from all directions. It is Islam that is being beaten up. Why? It is because of this savage behavior that we call "wife beating". Savage behavior in which people treat their wives like slaves at the slave-market, and beat them. The Prophet forbade this. He said, "Don't beat your wives as you would a slave."

Fats

S0Noma
01-14-2007, 02:21 PM
Yeah, and getting a blow job ain't the same as having sex.

Where have I heard this before?

Chopstick
01-15-2007, 07:54 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote FatsRedux:</font><hr>
Dr. Yusri: No, no. One moment. When we define the meaning of the word "violence"… In the language, "violence" is when I do something or when I act in a harsh and brutal manner, when the same could have been done in a less harsh manner.

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So, I guess if you can't think of a less harsh manner to knock a building down than to crash a plane into it, then that is not considered violence. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Qtec
01-15-2007, 09:16 AM
Do you really think we in the West are so much better?

[ QUOTE ]
Wife beatings, <font color="blue"> Like it doesn't happen in the good ol USA? </font color> honor killings, <font color="blue"> How about totally senseless killings. ie for no reason at all. Does that happen in the USA? </font color> genital mutilation, <font color="blue"> How many in the US are FOR castration for rapists?</font color> beheadings, <font color="blue"> How about frying the criminal until his brains boil? The Elecric chair? </font color> infidel killings, <font color="blue">How about hanging people because they are a different colour? </font color> backwardness, <font color="blue">Watch ANY episode of Jerry Springer! </font color> general hatred, intolerance, <font color="blue"> Pat Robertson? </font color> and the reduction of women to mindless slaves. <font color="blue"> How many prostitutes are there in the US? How many kids are sold each day for sex in the US? </font color>

What an amusing bunch of primitives.

Fats Redux <hr /></blockquote>

Yes, very amusing.

Q...he who casts the first stone...etc

FatsRedux
01-15-2007, 11:28 AM
Funny how you say "we in the west" and then go off only on the US.

1.)Wife beating is not sanctioned by theological jurisprudence or government policy in any part of the US. Same goes for murder. Can you provide any kind of proof that honor killings are an accepted form of homicidal behavior any where within the US? Where are all the American castratis? Where are all the American women who have been subjected to clitoral excision and infibulation? C'mon Q you're laying down the bs and talking smack here. May I suggest a strong laxative followed by a refreshing enema to empty you of all the anti american sh*t you're full of?

2.) As for your whining about people calling for castration..what proof do you have to back your assertion of some kind of massive outcry for castration in the US. Oh yeah that's right..YOU HAVE NONE! LOL OTOH, honor killings are quite common in Arab countries. But then you already knew that didn't you?

3.) OK let's see legal execution of murderers is the same thing as religious zealots beheading innocents and then reveling in it. Uh huh right.

4.) Yeah, lynchings are still taking place every day. In fact they are the highlight of our social calendars here in the US. And hordes of Klansmen and Neo-Nazis are running rampant all over the streets of American cities while defenseless blacks and hispanics (like me) cower under our beds.

5.) Jerry Springer? Bwahahahahahaah! You seize on a staged show designed to appeal to the bottom strata of society and paint that as indicative of the overall backwardness of our society? How many medical, scientific, cultural, and educational advances has the US produced? Go on Q, I'll give you time to look them up.

4.) Pat Robertson doesn't call for the type of violence the Islamists do and I don't know of one single individual who claims to take his marching orders from Mr. Robertson.

5.) How many prostitutes are there in the entire world. It's not called the "world's oldest profession" for nothing you know. Perhaps you'd care to come over to the US and tabulate the number of ho's for us?

6.) Children being sold for sex? Oh yes I remember there was a huge sale at WalMart. WalMart sources the child sex slaves from China because domestic child sex slaves are too costly for you average working class pedophile. Please stop with the BS, you're killing me here Q.

I find ball-less, pompous, Anti American, pro socialist, pro Islamist twits like you rather amusing. BTW.. go buy some knee pads and KY. you'll need them when it comes time to service your Islamist overlords in the coming Eurabian caliphate.

BTW, I tried real hard to see your point of view...but I just couldn't get my head that far up my azz! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Fats

Qtec
01-15-2007, 01:28 PM
Fats, this post of yours is just one out of a long list of threads that try to tar every Muslim with the same 'Islamic Fanatic' brush. Just because some whacko Imam spouts extreme views it does not mean that the other 2 billion Muslims around the world agree with him.

What you don't seem to realise is that other countries have their OWN culture- just like the US does.
How do you judge whether a country/culture is civilised or not?

Female circumcision[ which totally disgusts me] is not a question of faith but of culture. NOWHERE in the Koran does it advocate this. The same with the Muslim women who cover their entire bodies and face. Nowhere in the Koran does it say that a womans face has to be covered.




BTW, Persia/ Iran was the birthplace of civilisation. When we were building Stonehenge, they already had the Tower of Babylon, maths and libraries!

Instead of hate mongering, you should educate yourself to what Islam is really all about.

Q ...BTW, the Hispanics now are the biggest group in US prisons .
Does that mean they are the most barbaric/uncivilised or dishonest people in America?
Are all Hispanics gang-bangers?
The whites in prison are the minority. I guess thats proof that whites are more law abiding.
Need I go on?

Qtec
01-15-2007, 01:33 PM
[ QUOTE ]
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, [b]and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."[b/]--Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, August 18, 1986

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Fumagation?
He has also suggested the assassination of an elected President, ie Chavez.

Q

Gayle in MD
01-15-2007, 01:46 PM
Yeah, those are all the reasons why it made perfect sense to think they'd be ready for Democracy, and we'd be outta Iraq in three months, and were so worthy of our troops giving their lives to liberate. Brilliant.

Gayle in Md.

Drop1
01-15-2007, 06:05 PM
Huh maybe when you were giving one /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gifsorry man I just had to say it /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Drop1
01-15-2007, 06:09 PM
I bet Mr.Fat Boy knows. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Drop1
01-15-2007, 06:22 PM
Wife beating was regulated in some states,as under English Common Law,wives were property of their husbands,as were the children. The rule was you could not beat your wife with a rod wider than the width of your thumb. The laws no longer exist. Nor does the right to petition the court to have a child that misbehaved on a regular basis hung.

FatsRedux
01-16-2007, 12:33 AM
I said what I had to say, and whether you, or smug azzed Harry agree with it matters not one iota to me. Islam is a religion of backward jerk offs AFAIC, and I won't kow tow to them, or the teachings of their false prophet (may p*ss be upon him). You can gobble all the mooselim sausage you want to and kiss all the mooselim gluteus maximus you want to..hey that's your perogative. I don't give a shiite. Is that sufficiently clear for you?

I bet you've never set foot in the US and gotten to know Americans..yet you sit on your azz and spout judgemental crap about Americans. If you want to take this to a deeper level just shoot me a private message and we can really get down and dirty.

FatsRedux
01-16-2007, 01:43 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Yeah, those are all the reasons why it made perfect sense to think they'd be ready for Democracy, and we'd be outta Iraq in three months, and were so worthy of our troops giving their lives to liberate. Brilliant.

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Gayle, you are absolutely right! Our guys and gals are risking and losing their lives to bring an advanced western concept of democracy to a bunch of backward primitives who are all too content to go on with their 7th century mindset. The only thing they know and respect is force and tyranny.

Fats

FatsRedux
01-16-2007, 01:56 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;

Fumagation?
He has also suggested the assassination of an elected President, ie Chavez.

Q <hr /></blockquote>

Damn, I think I'm starting to like Mr. Robertson!

I would love to see Chavez get his head blown off. Hell I'd love to see all Commies get their heads blown off..it would be justifiable payback for the 100,000,000 human beings those sick bastards have slaughtered.

Fats

FatsRedux
01-16-2007, 02:15 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr>

Instead of hate mongering, you should educate yourself to what Islam is really all about.

<font color="red"> I could spend my whole life educating myself as to what feces is, and at the end of the day it would still be feces and it would still stink.

Go here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MSFbhIG-sk&amp;eurl=

and here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoi5DWt3b0w&amp;eurl=

and here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TjzCcTkE8&amp;eurl=

</font color>

Q ...BTW, the Hispanics now are the biggest group in US prisons .
Does that mean they are the most barbaric/uncivilised or dishonest people in America?

<font color="red">If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
</font color>

Are all Hispanics gang-bangers?

<font color="red">No, just a lot of Mexicans (Vatos Locos,etc..), Central Americans (MS13), Puerto Ricans, and Dominicans (Latin Kings)..not all of course but quite enough.
</font color>

The whites in prison are the minority. I guess thats proof that whites are more law abiding.

<font color="red">Works for me. BTW Q, white is a race, hispanic is an ethnicity. I assume you meant non-hispanic whites in which case the answer is still the same. </font color>

Need I go on? <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="red">Only if you want to Q, only if you want to. </font color>

Fats

Drop1
01-16-2007, 09:21 PM
You twisted fat bucket of slop,waiting for a new liver,because you didn't have the balls to handle your life,are you calling Harry Swiver smug,if so piss on your rotting mother's grave. If you were not,ignore this reply.

FatsRedux
01-17-2007, 12:49 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> You twisted fat bucket of slop,waiting for a new liver,because you didn't have the balls to handle your life,are you calling Harry Swiver smug,if so piss on your rotting mother's grave. If you were not,ignore this reply. <hr /></blockquote>

Harry,

I contracted Hepatitis C as a result of blood transfusions I received in 1986 due to trauma from a car accident. Prior to 1992 there was no way to test for the virus in blood that was donated. Hepatitis C attacks the liver causing cirrhosis and is also the leading cause of hepatic (liver) cancer. Hep C is transmitted by blood, and there are many people who contracted it from tattoo needles, and IV drug usage. 10,000,000 Americans are infected and health authorities believe there may be as many as 20,000,000 infected folks who are currently asymptomatic and have no idea they are infected. Your comment speaks volumes as to the content of your character.

I have managed my life quite well and I have no money problems, a stable marriage, and very good friends.

My mother is a 70 year old woman in a wheelchair due to advanced rheumatoid arthritis. She has done nothing to you. Anyone with even one iota of shame or decency would never stoop so low as to direct filthy comments against another person's family.

You are not only smug, you are a repugnant, insensate, jerk. You had better pray that our paths never cross. The world is a small place Harry...remember that.

Fats

Drop1
01-17-2007, 09:46 PM
I responded in that fashion,because you did not read my post. I never said I approved of wife beating,I said in some states a law exhisted detailing the width of a stick,allowed to be used when beating,flogging, your wife or what ever you want to call it. These were laws in the United States,and if you read the post,you would have seen that. Truly I feel badly about your health,as the average recipient lives eight years after the transplant. I take back what I said about your mothers grave. However after reading your posts,I think you are a self centered blow hard,with nothing to offer other than your own self love.And I don't care what you think about that. You have nothing to say,and you don't say it very well. I don't worry about the size of the world. Take care Fat man.

Chopstick
01-18-2007, 06:51 AM
He's right about that law. I have heard of it too. I think the Puritans started it up in Maryland of somewhere in New England. Obviously, they don't do it no more. I guess that's how Mary in Ga. got so spoiled. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Chopstick
01-18-2007, 07:16 AM
Wow, what a tough break. I knew you were having some health problems from past threads. I didn't know how bad it was though. Hope you get to feeling better.

Drop, the FatMan can be fierce and I think maybe both of you can be a little too quick to drop the hammer on somebody at times. The truth is, you're both good guys and I hope ya'll work it out.

S0Noma
01-18-2007, 08:43 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Chopstick:</font><hr> .

Drop, the FatMan can be fierce and I think maybe both of you can be a little too quick to drop the hammer on somebody at times. The truth is, you're both good guys and I hope ya'll work it out. <hr /></blockquote>

Very well said. It's way too easy to fling insults in cyberspace. We rarely see the 'whole person' on the receiving end of our posts. I have no doubt that if we did there would be fewer spontaneous outbursts. Comments would be tempered more by empathy than passion.

I consider both of these men to be worthy contributors to this forum and honorable men in their real lives. As a forum group we stand to lose much more than we could ever gain by this kind of futile butting of heads.

Stretch
01-18-2007, 10:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote S0Noma:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Chopstick:</font><hr> .

Drop, the FatMan can be fierce and I think maybe both of you can be a little too quick to drop the hammer on somebody at times. The truth is, you're both good guys and I hope ya'll work it out. <hr /></blockquote>

Very well said. It's way too easy to fling insults in cyberspace. We rarely see the 'whole person' on the receiving end of our posts. I have no doubt that if we did there would be fewer spontaneous outbursts. Comments would be tempered more by empathy than passion.

I consider both of these men to be worthy contributors to this forum and honorable men in their real lives. As a forum group we stand to lose much more than we could ever gain by this kind of futile butting of heads. <hr /></blockquote>

Good point SONoma. Drop and i had it out some time ago. My oppinoin of him hasn't changed nor will it ever. It's likewize i'm sure but that dosn't mean we both can't contribute here. Iggy is a wonderful thing. St.

Drop1
01-18-2007, 12:16 PM
You ever get the feeling, conversation as an art form has died? I move we agree to beat the crap out of one another,in a more civil fashion. I promise never to call Stretch "Dork Breath" again.

Chopstick
01-18-2007, 02:13 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> I move we agree to beat the crap out of one another,in a more civil fashion. <hr /></blockquote>

I can roll with that. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

cushioncrawler
01-19-2007, 01:34 AM
Hate can be usefull and beneficial. Me, myself, i hate krapamiths, this shitty hi-gloss, light, soft ball is krap, i hate it (them) -- english billiards here. madMac.

Gayle in MD
01-19-2007, 08:56 PM
Well now Chop, you finally wrote something I can completely agree with. I have no doubt, that I am definately one of THE MOST spoiled women east of the Mississippi, and Lovin' it! /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Gayle in Md.

Vagabond
01-21-2007, 07:43 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Yeah, those are all the reasons why it made perfect sense to think they'd be ready for Democracy, and we'd be outta Iraq in three months, and were so worthy of our troops giving their lives to liberate. Brilliant.

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Just for info: in some counties in the State of Texas they still consider women as CHATTEL as per the Bible.
I do not recall the details but I vaguely remember that even in USA wife beating was legally allowed centuries ago but the cane used to beat her should not have it`s diameter larger than the diameter of the little finger of the man`s hand.

Gayle in MD
01-22-2007, 09:05 AM
Thanks friend. I agree, the bible was one of the most degrading books toward women, that was ever written. It provided the beginning of justification for discrimination against women, and is still used for that purpose to this day. Hence, this country began it's Democracy without giving women the right to vote, and included laws which treated women as chattel. This is also present in radical morman sects, and other religions, to this day, as well.

I am proud to be the grand daughter, and great grand daughter of women who fought for women's right to vote, and to use birth control, and eventually marched with my sisters for women's rights many times over the course of my lifetime.

Unfortunately, women are still discriminated against, to this day, and continue to make a fraction of what men are paid for performing the same job. It is greatly encouraging, though, to see for the first time, a woman as Speaker Of The House, and a woman who plans to run for president.

As for Texas, I hope they get some renewed realization that such practices and laws lead to women growing into dull adults, so overly interested in public approval, that they're response mechanisms are reduced to smile and nod reactions to immoral behavior, for the rest of their lives, and living lives devoid of any courageous attempts to speak the truth, work to right the wrongs of this world, or step beyond they're traditional roles, beyond, ofcourse, mowing down former boyfriends on the highway!!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gayle in Md.

SPetty
01-22-2007, 11:04 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Vagabond:</font><hr>Just for info: in some counties in the State of Texas they still consider women as CHATTEL as per the Bible.<hr /></blockquote>I believe you're mistaken.

Chopstick
01-22-2007, 11:37 AM
Half of the girls I've known asked me to spank em. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif