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Gayle in MD
02-17-2007, 04:42 AM
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01.23.2007
My Testimony on Iraq to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (73 comments )
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Today I delivered the following testimony on Iraq to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. My plan calls for (1) the redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq, (2) the execution of a robust diplomatic effort and the restoration of our international credibility, and (3) the repairing of our military readiness and the rebuilding of our strategic reserve to face future threats.







TESTIMONY OF CONGRESSMAN JOHN P. MURTHA

Before the

SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE

110th Congress

Tuesday, January 23, 2007

Mr. Chairman, Senator Lugar and distinguished members of this Committee,

For the past five years, the U.S. has had, on average, over 130,000 troops on the ground in Iraq. The Pentagon reports that the Iraqi Security Forces have grown in number, nearly reaching their goal of 325,000 trained and equipped. The Iraqis have a Constitution and have held national elections. These milestones have been met, yet security in Iraq continues to deteriorate. The past four years of the Iraq War have been plagued by mischaracterization based on unrealistic optimism instead of realism. Reality dictates that conditions on the ground are simply moving in the wrong direction.

There are limits to military power. There is no U.S. military solution to Iraq's civil war. It is up to the Iraqis.


Beginning in May 2005, after two years of mischaracterizations and misrepresentations by this Administration, the Defense Appropriations sub-committee required the Department of Defense to submit quarterly reports to Congress on the facts necessary to measure stability and security in Iraq. Since July 2005, we have received these reports. They are dismal and demonstrate a clear lack of progress in vital areas of concern. Electricity, oil production, employment and potable water remain at woeful levels.


The average weekly attacks have grown from 430 in July 2005 to well over 1000 today. Iraqi casualties have increased from 63 per day in October 2005 to over 127 per day.


The latest polls show that 91 percent of Sunni Iraqis and 74 percent of Shia Iraqis want the U.S. forces out of Iraq. In January 2006, 47 percent of Iraqis approved of attacks on U.S.-led forces. When the same polling question was asked just 8 months later, 61 percent of Iraqis approved of attacks on U.S-led forces.


The support of the American public continues to erode and there is little confidence in the current strategy. Today less than 30 percent of Americans support the war and only 11 percent support the President's plan to increase troop levels in Iraq. A February 2006 poll showed that 72 percent of American troops serving in Iraq believed U.S. should exit Iraq within the year and 42 percent said their mission was unclear.


Wars cannot be won with slogans. There must be terms for measuring progress and a clearly defined purpose, if success is ever to be achieved. General Peter Schoomaker, Chief of the United States Army, said in a recent hearing that in order for a strategy to be effective we "have to be able to measure the purpose." Yet the President sets forth a plan with no defined matrices for measuring success and a plan that in my estimation is simply more of the same plan that has not worked. A new strategy that is based on redeployment rather than further U.S. military engagement, and one that is centered on handing Iraq back to the Iraqis, is what is needed. I do not believe that Iraq will make the political progress necessary for its security and stability until U.S. forces redeploy.




In order to achieve stability in Iraq and the Region, I recommend

1) The redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq

2) The execution of a robust diplomatic effort and the restoration of our international credibility

3) The repairing of our military readiness and the rebuilding of our strategic reserve to face future threats.



Redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq

To achieve stability and security in Iraq, I believe we first must have a responsible phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq. General William Odom (U.S. Army, Retired) recently testified, "We are pursuing the wrong war."


Stability and security in the Region should be our overarching strategy, not a "victory in Iraq." I agree with General Odom and believe that Regional Stability can only be accomplished through the redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq.


Who wants us to stay in Iraq? In my opinion, Iran and Al Qaeda, because we intensify the very radical extremism we claim to be fighting against, while at the same time depleting our financial and human resources.


As long as the U.S. military continues to occupy Iraq, there will be no real security. Maintaining U.S. troop strength in Iraq or adding to the strength in specified areas, has not proven effective in the past (it did not work recently in Baghdad) nor do I believe it will work in the future. The Iraq war cannot be won by the U.S. military, predominantly because of the way our military operates. They use overwhelming force, which I advocate to save American lives, but it is counter to winning the hearts and minds of the people.


How to Re-deploy

I recommend the phased redeployment of U.S. forces, first from Saddam's palaces, then from the green zone. Next, from the prime real estate of Iraq's major cities, out of the factories and universities, and finally out of the country all together. We need to give communities back to the Iraqis so they can begin to self govern, begin economic recovery and return to some type of normality. I recommend the adoption of a U.S policy that encourages and rewards reconstruction and regional investment and one that is dictated and administered not by the United States, but by the Iraqis themselves.


Restoration of International Credibility

I believe that a responsible redeployment from Iraq is the first step necessary in restoring our tarnished international credibility. Since the U.S. invasion of Iraq, our international credibility, even among allies, has plummeted. Stability in Iraq is important not only to the United States, but it is important to the Region and to the entire world. Just this morning, the BBC released a poll showing that nearly three-quarters of those polled in 25 countries disapprove of U.S. policies toward Iraq. More than two-thirds said the U.S. military presence in the Middle East does more harm than good. Just 29 percent of respondents said the United States has a general positive influence in the world, down from 40 percent two years ago.


How do we Restore our International Credibility

In order to restore international credibility, I believe it is necessary for the U.S to completely denounce any aspirations of building permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq; I believe we should shut down the Guantanamo detention facility; and we must bulldoze the Abu Ghraib prison. We must clearly articulate and demonstrate a policy of "no torture, no exceptions" and directly engage countries in the region with dialogue instead of directives. This includes allies as well as our perceived adversaries.


Repairing of our Military Readiness and Rebuilding our Strategic Reserve to Face Future Threats

Our annual Defense spending budget is currently in excess of $450 billion. Above this amount, we are spending $8.4 billion dollars a month in the war in Iraq and yet our strategic reserve is in desperate shape. While we are fighting an asymmetric threat in the short term, we have weakened our ability to respond to what I believe is a grave long term conventional and nuclear threat.


At the beginning of the Iraq war, 80 percent of ALL Army units and almost 100 percent of active combat units were rated at the highest state of readiness. Today, virtually all of our active-duty combat units at home and ALL of our guard units are at the lowest state of readiness, primarily due to equipment shortages resulting from repeated and extended deployments to Iraq. In recent testimony given by a high ranking Pentagon official it was reported that our country is threatened because we lack readiness at home.


Our Army has no strategic reserve, and while it is true that the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Air Force can be used to project power, there is a limit to what they can achieve. Overall, our military remains capable of projecting power, but we must also be able to sustain that projection, and in this regard there is no replacement for boots on the ground.


How do we Repair Readiness and Rebuild our Strategic Reserve

We must make it a national priority to re-strengthen our military and to repair readiness. I advocate an increase in overall troop strength. The current authorized level is below what I believe is needed to maintain an optimal military. In recent testimony to the Defense Subcommittee that I chair, the Army and Marine Corps Commanders testified that they could not continue to sustain the current deployment practices without an adverse effect on the health and well-being of service members and their families.


For decades, the Army operated on a deployment policy that for every one year of deployment, two years were spent at home. This was considered optimal for re-training, re-equipping and re-constituting. Without relief, the Army will be forced to extend deployments to Iraq to over one year in country and will be forced to send troops back with less than one year at home. The Army reported that a 9-month deployment was preferable. Medical experts testified that in intensive combat, deployments of over 3 months increased the likelihood for service members to develop post traumatic stress disorders.


We must invest in the health and well being of our service members by providing for the right amount of troops and for appropriate deployment and rotation cycles.

Our military equipment inventories are unacceptably low. The Services report that at least $100 billion more is needed to get them back to ready state. In doing so, we must not neglect investment in military technologies of the future. While we remain bogged down in Iraq, the size and sophistication of other militaries are growing. We must not lose our capability to deter future threats.


Let me conclude by saying historically, whether it was India, Algeria or Afghanistan, foreign occupations do not work, and in fact incite civil unrest. Our military remains the greatest military in the world, but there are limits to its ability to control a population that considers them occupiers. I have said this before and I continue to say that there are essentially only two plans. One is to continue an occupation that has not worked and that has shown no progress toward stabilization. The other, which I advocate, is to end the occupation of Iraq, redeploy and re-strengthen our military and turn Iraq over to the Iraqis.

Let's hope Republicans will end the endless BS that Democrats have no Plan. Democrts have the only reasonable plan, and without false egoism which afflicts Bush, and other Republicans who still refuse to admit the truth.

Bobbyrx
02-17-2007, 09:30 AM
i.e. .... cut and run

pooltchr
02-17-2007, 06:00 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Murtha

In order to achieve stability in Iraq and the Region, I recommend

1) The redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq
<font color="red"> Cut and Run </font color>

2) The execution of a robust diplomatic effort and the restoration of our international credibility
<font color="red"> Let's try to talk with them so we can understand why they hate us. It must be something we said! </font color>

3) The repairing of our military readiness and the rebuilding of our strategic reserve to face future threats.

<font color="red"> Would someone please remind me who it was that was responsible for cutting military spending and reducing our active duty forces in the first place????? </font color>





[b]Let's hope Republicans will end the endless BS that Democrats have no Plan. <hr /></blockquote>
<font color="red"> Yeah...that's a plan! /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif </font color>
Steve

Drop1
02-17-2007, 08:00 PM
If you think the people who continue to support this war,and that worthless piece of [censored] we call President,will understand the implications of your post,you are pissing against the wind. That being the case,I thank you for the post. To those who call pulling out of Iraq "cut and run," why are you not in Iraq, supporting the eleven percent of the population that agree with you. Leave your jobs,friends,and families,and go to Iraq,where you can show by actions how much you love your country. Some of you might not come back,but you died for a great cause.

wolfdancer
02-18-2007, 03:44 AM
Your argument has no merit....
"points 1 &amp; 2...your idea, but not Murtha's stated goals
point 3.....one would think that with 6 years of a Republican stranglehold.....and after 4 years of this war....this would have been addressed?

While watching the documentary tonite ...
"Nixon, the Presidency revealed"......it was impossible not to draw comparisions to GWB.
Nixon thought his power to be absolute, and above the law...Colsen, Dean, and Haig gave first hand reports.
When George Wallace was shot , Nixon joked about it, and wanted to plant evidence to implicate McGovern....he was willing to pay the $2M "bribe" to quiet the Watergate people..."he knew how to get the money".
I see the same arrogance, the same treachery, the same deceit, in GWB....just on a bigger scale....
Arrogance is an interesting word: "an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions"

"Mission accomplished!"
....(ego te absolvo) "I hereby pardon myself for any past crimes, present crimes, and any future crimes committed during my terms of office"....
but maybe this is better...."excusatio non petita accusatio manifesta" (loosely, "he who excuses himself, accuses himself"—an unprovoked excuse is a sign of guilt. In French, qui s'excuse, s'accuse.)

These old Latin phrases sure are handy to describe GWB and company:

regarding the mounting casualties...."de minimis non curat praetor" (The commander does not bother with the smallest things.)

regarding the ones already indicted, removed from office, or resigned...."damnatio memoriae" (A Roman custom in which disgraced Romans were pretended to have never existed.)

The soldiers chanting to GWB "ave Caesar (Bush) morituri te salutant" (Hail, George! The ones who are about to die salute you!).....(in his fantasies)

re: Bush and Cheney... "Duae tabulae rasae in quibus nihil scriptum est"....(Two minds, not one single thought)

re: the war hawks "dulce bellum inexpertis" (War may seem pleasant to those who have never been involved in it)

re: the faithful that still believe "Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare."
(Anyone can err, but only the fool persists in his fault.)
or maybe...."credo quia absurdum est" (I believe because it is absurd)

and....two years from now...."diem perdidi" (I have lost the day...GWB)

Gayle in MD
02-18-2007, 06:34 AM
You are most welcome. There are, thankfully growing numbers of us in our country who understand that this is exactly what bin Laden's plan has been all along, and represents how Bush's failing and insane policies have played right into his plans.

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Our annual Defense spending budget is currently in excess of $450 billion. Above this amount, we are spending $8.4 billion dollars a month in the war in Iraq and yet our strategic reserve is in desperate shape. While we are fighting an asymmetric threat in the short term, we have weakened our ability to respond to what I believe is a grave long term conventional and nuclear threat.


At the beginning of the Iraq war, 80 percent of ALL Army units and almost 100 percent of active combat units were rated at the highest state of readiness. Today, virtually all of our active-duty combat units at home and ALL of our guard units are at the lowest state of readiness, primarily due to equipment shortages resulting from repeated and extended deployments to Iraq. In recent testimony given by a high ranking Pentagon official it was reported that our country is threatened because we lack readiness at home.


Our Army has no strategic reserve, and while it is true that the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Air Force can be used to project power, there is a limit to what they can achieve. Overall, our military remains capable of projecting power, but we must also be able to sustain that projection, and in this regard there is no replacement for boots on the ground.

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Iraq will remain kaotic for an extended period of time regardless of how many more US troops are killed or maimed. The fact that George Bush is sending them to fight alongside the Shiia majoirty, who are the very same people who plant the roadside bombs to kill them, is complete insanity.

His use of Quotes from despots like bin Laden, in our own State Of The Union addresses, increase bin Laden's power in the eyes of his followers. Draining our resources, both financial, and in terms of our military strength, in an unwinnable war, is exactly what our enemies hope us to do.

To ignore the fact that our country could have been well on it's way to avoiding our dependency on foreign oil, well into a new industrial revolution away from the causes of global warming, and employed, after 9/11, the support from other foreign nations in an intense effort to use special forces to destroy the far fewer, at that time, terrorist cells around the world, instead of being led into an unsolvable quagmire, flies in the face of any reasonable policy. A policy in support of the Oil Cartel, is truly anachronistic, IMO, and the roughly 26 to 30 % of liberal haters in this country, have not only played into the hands of terrorists along with their party, and their Decider, and mostly for the benefit of those whose desire it is to keep us grabbing for their oil, also the antithesis of progress, but they have bought into the hateful rhetoric of the right, regardless of how completely false their premises obviously are.

By using political hot topics to divide Americans, like gay marriage, and abortion, the right manages to vail critical issues like unchecked growing poverty here, the absurd deficits, the pressing risks of global warming, our broken armed forces, the unchecked issue of growing numbers of illegal aliens here, breaking our laws, taking part in violence and theft against Americans, and the on-going failures of this administration, and the great damage they have done to our country.

Bush's decision, based on lies, to occupy Iraq, has, according to every single national security estimate, both national, and international, emboldened terrorists, incresed violence around the world, and destroyed over fifty years of progress in diplomacy and international agreements.

Those are the facts. I fully believe, that unless we continue to push the truth of our true circumstances in the faces of the blind believers, the ill informed, the deniers of facts, to the forefront, they will continue to assist the false ideology of this incompetent, criminal administration, and that effort can only be won if we refuse to allow them to cloud the truth, with unimportant arguments over unimportant issues like gay marriage, plane trips, and other absurd non issues and pretenses used to drive attention away from issues like broken armies, absurd deficits, exporting of American jobs, failing to oversee those who are in this country illegally, securing our own borders, removing terrorist cells which exist right here and now within our borders. Every time George Bush uses his threat, "They will follow us home" one wonders if he even knows,...THEY are ALREADY HERE! They are plotting, and planning right here, in their safe haven, carved out for them by Bush, and Cheney, whose more pressing goal was to get drilling rights for Halliburton in Iraq. All one has to do to see through their lies is look at what happens to the price of oil everytime there is a Bush in office. And look whose friends, friends they hold hands with, are supplying weapons and bombs to kill our troops in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the surrounding Sunni countries, on the one hand, and Iran, supporting Shiia death squads, on the other hand. I'm sure they are thrilled to see our deficits climb, our country divided, our troops killed, our army broken, and our continued addiction to oil supported by the President Of The United States, who censors every shred of truth he can get his dirty, greedy hands into.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
02-18-2007, 12:38 PM
Murtha

In order to achieve stability in Iraq and the Region, I recommend

1) The redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq
Cut and Run
How is this cut and run. We got Saddam, they voted, they have their new government in place. Please show me where American's ever signed up to fight Iraqi's Civil War
2) The execution of a robust diplomatic effort and the restoration of our international credibility
Let's try to talk with them so we can understand why they hate us. It must be something we said!



3) The repairing of our military readiness and the rebuilding of our strategic reserve to face future threats.

Would someone please remind me who it was that was responsible for cutting military spending and reducing our active duty forces in the first place?????

[b]Bill Clinton did not brake our military, but when he sent them in to do a job, he made sure they had everything they needed. Bush is responsible for that, not Clinton. This is one reason why we are in tremendous debt now, where we had a surplus under Clinton. You're blame of Clinton For what Bush has done, is dishonest. Clinton has been gone for years, and Bush has had years to build our resources, instead of destroying them. Clinton has been gone over six years. Try to stay up to date on current events.


This morning on Meet The Press, Hagle, A Republican stated...
"This very week, the outgoing Chief Of Staff of the Army testified before Senator Reid's Armed Services committee that "this is just the tip of the iceburg, the damage that we're doing to our force structure because of these 3rd and 4th rotations back into Iraq - We're decimating our national Gaurd, the equipment of the marines, the gaurd and the Army puts our country at great risk, and Murtha is right in the points he makes. The President makes yet another false debate by framing thiese facts in terms of ending funds for our troops, what we're doing is holding the President to maintain standards which our Army demands. Please explain how Bill Clinton is responsible for how our troops have been treated by this administration.

There are only two possible results in this surge, peace for a short time as the radical elements in Iraq go underground and hide, and renewed violence after our troops are redeployed out of Iraq, or heightened violence when our troops arrive. Either way, heightened violence is sure to come, with or without sacrificing our troops. How many more years do you want to play wack-a-mole in iraq, at over a hundred dead Americans every month, and over 8 billion dollars a month? And FOR WHAT!

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
02-18-2007, 01:11 PM
Gayle, a couple of noteworthy items in there....the desert sand raises hell with our equipment....and who would now want to enlist in the active service or even the National Guard, given the continuous rotations back to Iraq....where even your
age and family status does not excuse you.
If anybody brings up enlistment quotas that are being met.....in the Civil War...it was them $300 signup bonus's that lured them in...for this war...$40k is a lot of money to a poor young man, or woman......wonder if it's worth losing a limb, eyesight, or one's life though?) By the way, i was reading over on Military.com about the cuts in medical treatment at VA Hospitals....this at a time where "Operation Desert Fiasco" wounded, make up now, for 5% of patients...
I'm sure Iran is applauding us on the sidelines....weakening their natural enemy, and waiting for us to eventually withdraw (Korea, Viet-Nam)...so they can march in and take over....

Gayle in MD
02-18-2007, 01:46 PM
You should hear the stories I hear from those Veteran"s families who are trying to get the resources they need to survive. No President has ever treated our own troops and veterans with such bismal lack of support and concern. There is no compassion or redeeming qualities in the man. His big beautiful White House, has clouded his ability to stay abreast of whether or not there is a civil war in Iraq? What a trememdously revealing statement that was.

Rice, yet again, proven a liar by her own aid, who remembers the Iran ovature to talks, while she doesn't remember them? Like she also didn't remember the 9/11 warnings, or even Bremers warnings about the increasing insurgency? She lied, yet again, and over and over during her last appearances before the Senate. Republicans called her down on her lies, right to her face.
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I'm sure Iran is applauding us on the sidelines....weakening their natural enemy, and waiting for us to eventually withdraw (Korea, Viet-Nam)...so they can march in and take over....
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If only they would have waited until we left. Problem is, we are fighting a proxy war, between Saudi Arabia, and their terrorist allies, and Iran, and their terrorist allies. All the things the administration uses to build a case for staying, have already occured. Tony Snowjob was on Meet The Press this morning, and gave a list of reasons why we must stay in Iraq, warnings of what would come if we left, every single one of them is already existing conditions on the ground at present, and have been so for over a year. Leaving Iraq as a terrorist training ground? Already happened. Iraqis destablizing surrounding countries through an influx of refuges? Already happened. Iran using it's influence to change the face of the Middle East? Already happened. Emboldening the cause of the terrorists? Already happened. Terrorist here on our shores? Already happened. Bush is the axis of evil, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz, Hadley, Rumsfeld, Feith, Evil liars all.

Sending the wrong message? Already happened...Bush sent it long ago, to the whole world, whe he proved to them that the United States cannot be believed, cannot be trusted, supports torture, occupies other countries, and does not keep it's agreements. Bush long ago sent the wrong message!
Every time he starts with his fear mongering, one wants to scream...Then why don't you re-institute the draft??? He knows he's got to keep the same poor souls overthere for the duration. The more Americans who are affected by this inhumane war, the more people will take to the streets in outrage. That is why every one of us who see through George Bush, his War Of choice, his lies, his failed policies, must demonstrate against him and this war. We must do it for our troops.
Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
02-18-2007, 02:25 PM
tap! tap! tap!
It was pretty obvious from his "Mission Accomplished" satement,wearing his Fighter Pilot "drag" that he thought the war would only take a few weeks, he would be considered an heroic, great leader..."the War President"...and that there were no contingency plans beyond that time frame.
Using wrestling as a metaphor:
George sees himself as Macho Libre, Rey Mysterioso,



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Rey3_WrestlemaniaRevenge.JPG/180px-Rey3_WrestlemaniaRevenge.JPG

We see him as Nacho Libre, Jack Black

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/35/Nachopost.jpg/200px-Nachopost.jpg

as for his net worth going up, in tune with the war....George senior said "you can't knock the boys for
trying to earn a little money" and George W(arbucks) Bush is doing just that!!!

Bobbyrx
02-18-2007, 05:54 PM
So much B.S.......Cliff notes version...we are the evil one and those poor terrorists would leave us alone if we would just leave them alone. Blame America first..Evil oil sucking America.......typical typical........As far as Dr.Rice in concerned:
In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.
From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors.

She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.
Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, [censored] laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.

<font color="blue"> And after acomplishing all this, and as an African-American woman, she just up and decided to become
a shill for Bush and condone murder, torture yada, yada, yada and become part of the axis of evil for BIG OIL........yeah right..give me a break</font color>

Drop1
02-18-2007, 06:05 PM
Run that by the troops in Iraq,I'm sure they will be impressed with the liar's portfolio.

wolfdancer
02-18-2007, 10:42 PM
"And after acomplishing all this, and as an African-American woman, she just up and decided to become
a shill for Bush and condone murder, torture yada, yada, yada and become part of the axis of evil for BIG OIL"

Impressive credentials, but we all have our price...maybe hers was the Cabinet Post.
I still have the utmost respect for Colin Powell, who wouldn't keep trading in his moral principles to keep his job.

cushioncrawler
02-18-2007, 11:04 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> "And after acomplishing all this, and as an African-American woman, she just up and decided to become a shill for Bush and condone murder, torture yada, yada, yada and become part of the axis of evil for BIG OIL" Impressive credentials, but we all have our price...maybe hers was the Cabinet Post. I still have the utmost respect for Colin Powell, who wouldn't keep trading in his moral principles to keep his job. <hr /></blockquote> Woolfy -- "Big Oil" iz where Dubya found'er. madMac.

Sid_Vicious
02-19-2007, 12:44 AM
"Dr. Rice?"

What a joke.

Bobbyrx
02-19-2007, 08:49 AM
well thought out reply

Gayle in MD
02-19-2007, 09:51 AM
When Bush jumped the gun by rushing into Iraq, on false, rigged information, he set this country up for greater risk, and more attacks here from alQaeda. By doing so, he diluted efforts that should have been expanded in Afghanistan, and in Pakistan, and opened our country up for great loss of allies. Had he remained focused on bin Laden, and alqaeda, instead, we could have obliterated their power, while increasing special forces in the other nations where they still plan and thrive. We were in a good position then, with the world behind us, with even Iran reaching out to us, and could have had realistic opportunities for successful, Middle East diplomacy and negotiations. Instead, he chose Iraq, as some of us wondered, and meanwhile, alQaeda has reinforced itself as we have weakened our resources, both militarily, internationally, and monetarily, he has failed to enforce protective measures along our borders, for which I also blame Democrats for being on the wrong side of that issue, but Republicans DID have the majority then, At the same his policies have weakened our Intelligence services, by doing things in secret, and increasing our country's concerns over our privacy rights, hence, our security here at home has suffered through his decision to operate outside his legal authority, and to lump FEMA into a huge bureaurocratic quagmire.

1http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/world/asia/19intel.html?pagewanted=2&amp;_r=
During a news conference days before last November’s elections, President Bush said of the campaign against Al Qaeda: “Absolutely, we’re winning. Al Qaeda is on the run.”

Obviously, either he was lying for votes, maintaining his normal state of denial, or he wasn't up to date, but that's so hard for him living in that Big Beautiful White House, as he told reporters last week, when he admitted to them that they knew more about conditions on the ground in Iraq than he did, first true statement he's made in years.

When a president's policies weaken his nation to this degree, all Americans should be up in arms. Remaining in Iraq, fighting in a civil war, draining our resources, where there are only a few thousand terrorist, as they grow their power and numbers and influence, and make their future plans for us as they train their many newcomers, will surely lead to our next attack. Our efforts, as the Democrats have stated, should be in Anbar Province, attacking alQaeda, and in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where alQaeda and the Taliban have strengthened. We should definately get out of Iraq, other than as eqauipment back up. Only Iraqis know who to kill in terms of the terror elements, anyway, and most of the Iraqis want to kill our troops. As Murtha says, the Iraqis can take care of getting rid of the terrorist elements there, far better than we can. Iraq has been a distraction we should surely not have taken on, particularly after 9/11.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
02-19-2007, 10:20 AM
Tap Tap Tap! As usual, he only has his insults, no addressing the issue, just a comment completely moot to the subject. That's all they can do these days. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Gayle in Md.

Bobbyrx
02-19-2007, 01:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr>
Impressive credentials, but we all have our price...maybe hers was the Cabinet Post.
I still have the utmost respect for Colin Powell, who wouldn't keep trading in his moral principles to keep his job. <hr /></blockquote>
Maybe so, but I just don't see anything in her past to make me think she would sell out everything she has done her entire life...JMHO