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Righty
02-22-2007, 04:30 AM
Right now my stomach is in knots, I am so worried I don't know what to do. Here is the story. About 2 years ago my doctor put me on Ultram for chronic neck pain. Ultram is a narcotic pain reliever. I was on it for about a year, and then later he added Codeine to take with the Ultram.

After a few months on that, the meds just werent doing anything for the pain anymore. It was getting too severe. I guess I built up a tolerance to the pain meds so they stopped working. He referred me to a place where the doctors are all pain management specialists. I told them that I was on Tylenol with Codeine and Ultram. They prescribed me this long acting drug called Kadian, and Vicodin 3 times a day for pain flare ups. After I switched, I told them that the stuff wasn't strong enough. I was still in alot of pain. They told me to give it a few weeks so my body could get used to it. In those few weeks, I had to keep taking days off from work. I couldn't function. My body had built a dependency on the codeine and ultram. The vicodin and kadian helped, but not enough. I felt sick all the time, and was in pain still. They had a policy where after they write a prescription, they can't change it until my next visit, which is once a month.

So I go back in a month, and tell them that I need to at least double the dosage, because the pain is just too great and the withdrawals. Instead of doubling the dosage, they raised it just a little bit. I begged them, telling them that I have a really high tolerance to narcotic pain meds, and that I could handle it if they gave me a much higher dosage. They refused to, so I got stuck with that.

For the next week or so, I was still miserable. It really just wasn't helping. I knew they couldn't change the prescription. To manage the pain and suffering, and literally so I could FUNCTION NORMALLY, I started taking double what they prescribed me. Instead of 4 vicodins a day I took 7 or 8, depending on how bad the pain was. Instead of 2 Kadians per day, I took 3 or 4. Well here's what happened. Of course since I was taking more than I was supposed to, my prescription ran out early. I got the kadian and vicodin at one pharmacy, because the other one didn't carry the kadian when it was prescribed. The other pharmacy was the one that prescribed me Ultram and Codeine. I looked at my old prescription bottles of the Codeine and Ultram, and it said I had some refills left. Since I was out of the new meds, I went to the old pharmacy and got the Codeine and Ultram refilled.

Now heres the bad part- my doctor from the pain management place called me this morning. She told me that there is this agency that checks on people that are getting prescribed narcotic pain meds from more than one doctor. She told me that the pain management center would not treat me anymore.

The thing that I'm worried about, is I didn't know that you are not supposed to get pain meds from two different doctors. Is it illegal? Is it possible that I might face jail time for this? And will my medical and prescription drug insurance drop me for this? I am so worried I feel sick.

Please, if anyone knows anything about this, please let me know. I am at my wit's end.

Sid_Vicious
02-22-2007, 07:50 AM
That's one hellacious situation, and I don't have any direct advice except to present both doctors with this saga and recent occurances asap for this untangling. Maybe someone here with more medication related experience can help. I seriously doubt jail is your worry, yet some BS with these services in the future may be a tester. Your getting the relief for your condition today is imperative, so there may have to be a legal advisor, lawyer I suppose, who may have to be involved, but that is blind-founded advice.

I'm concerned, wish I could help more. .sid

Bobbyrx
02-22-2007, 09:52 AM
It's not illegal unless you lied to one of the doctors to get the narcotics. But many pain doctors will drop you as a patient if you get meds from another doctor at the same time. By the way Ultram is NOT a narcotic and the Kadian and Vicodin are much much much stronger than the Ultram and Tylenol with Codeine so that's probably why they are questioning you on this. They see a lot of drug seekers. Your biggest problem is taking too much of the Kadian and Vicodin. The Kadian is a sustained release morphine and will build up in your system if you take too much and the Vicodin contains a lot of Tylenol which can shut down your liver and kidneys over a long time at such high doses that you are talking about.

hondo
02-22-2007, 10:19 AM
If what you are saying is true, it sounds like our
buddy Righty definitely has a drug problem.
Either way he needs help. I would get into my doctor
IMMEDIATELY, tell him what he told us, and ask his
doctor what to do.
I suspect we haven't quite gotten the whole picture.


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Bobbyrx:</font><hr> It's not illegal unless you lied to one of the doctors to get the narcotics. But many pain doctors will drop you as a patient if you get meds from another doctor at the same time. By the way Ultram is NOT a narcotic and the Kadian and Vicodin are much much much stronger than the Ultram and Tylenol with Codeine so that's probably why they are questioning you on this. They see a lot of drug seekers. Your biggest problem is taking too much of the Kadian and Vicodin. The Kadian is a sustained release morphine and will build up in your system if you take too much and the Vicodin contains a lot of Tylenol which can shut down your liver and kidneys over a long time at such high doses that you are talking about. <hr /></blockquote>

Bobbyrx
02-22-2007, 10:45 AM
exactly right

Righty
02-22-2007, 07:05 PM
I do have a drug problem, but its because I've been on pain meds for so long because of my neck. And Ultram most definately is a narcotic pain med. It's considered a mild narcotic. It used to say it was non-narcotic, that's why I started taking it in the first place. After I got withdrawals when I stopped taking it, I questioned my doctor about it and he told me that they said that they found that there is some narcotic in it. So yes, Ultram is narcotic and addictive just like all the other ones. My body has a dependency on these because I've been on them so long. I asked them for alternative treatment, I want to get off the stuff. They told me its better to stay on it. I don't understand why...but that's what they said. Anyways, I didn't lie to my doctors, I just never told them. Does anyone know if I can go to jail or get fined for this???

And will my insurance stop covering me??? I am worried sick to my stomach!! I'm in my late 30's and this is ruining my life!!!

hondo
02-23-2007, 08:19 AM
I REPEAT. You need to IMMEDIATELY schedule an appt.
with your current doctor and tell him exactly what
you told us. Jail? No. Lose insurance? Not likely.
Insurance doesn't cover the drugs you need? Damn
likely.
Your doctor can help with this but you need to lay
all your cards on the table.

FatsRedux
02-24-2007, 03:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Righty:</font><hr> I do have a drug problem, but its because I've been on pain meds for so long because of my neck.

<font color="red"> What is the cause of your neck pain? Is it due to a pinched nerve / herniated disc? If so, the best treatment (judging by my own experience) would be epidural cortisone shots.

I was in excruciating pain for six months due to a pinched nerve / bulging disc in my spine (neck). I tried physical therapy, chiropractic, and was taking Oxycontin. Three cortisone shots spread over six weeks got rid of the pain completely and I regained full mobility in my neck. I no longer have to use any painkillers at all (including NSAID's like Tylenol, Advil, etc.).
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And Ultram most definately is a narcotic pain med. It's considered a mild narcotic. It used to say it was non-narcotic, that's why I started taking it in the first place. After I got withdrawals when I stopped taking it, I questioned my doctor about it and he told me that they said that they found that there is some narcotic in it. So yes, Ultram is narcotic and addictive just like all the other ones. My body has a dependency on these because I've been on them so long. I asked them for alternative treatment, I want to get off the stuff. They told me its better to stay on it. I don't understand why...but that's what they said. Anyways, I didn't lie to my doctors, I just never told them. Does anyone know if I can go to jail or get fined for this???

<font color="red">Stop worrying yourself so much. Speak to your doctor frankly and openly and by all means ask him about the cortisone shots. You're not going to lose your coverage nor are you going to be visited by the cops. </font color>

And will my insurance stop covering me??? I am worried sick to my stomach!! I'm in my late 30's and this is ruining my life!!! <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="red">I know what you're going thru, hang in there. </font color>

Fats

Ralph S.
03-14-2007, 01:38 AM
Okay Righty, here we go. I recently had a spinal-disc fusion surgery and have been on many different pain killers. I still hurt daily and will for life, it is a given. I have been officially declared 20% permanantly disabled because of said problem.

The list of meds I have been on include: Vicodin, Percocet, Norco, Kadian, Ultram, Methadone and several weaker ones. The hard painkillers that contain codeine like Vicodin and Percocet are very addictive. They are very hard on the liver and kidneys which is why you are reqired or atleast warned to drink plenty of water to keep the kidneys flushed. My kidneys hurt immensley if I don't drink atleast several glasses of water per day because of the pills.

As far as the Ultram goes, it is not codeine based. Ultram is a time released synthetic morphine. Incase your curious, I am on the Ultram now. It doesn't work well for me as it doeasn't seem strong enough, mainly because it is a time release. And yes, I am currently under the care of a pain management specialist.

As far as jail goes, only if you get caught buying-selling on the black market. The reason your doctor cut you off or wouldn't change the dosage is because so many people will do what is called "doctor shopping". They find several doctors to write scrips so they have enough pills to feed the addiction.

Also, according to Indiana laws, the doctors are only allowed to write ex amount of scrips per person for these controlled substances, unless proven to be a long term medical problem or terminal problem. We also have to show a valid state issued picture ID when getting these scrips filled.