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FatsRedux
03-04-2007, 09:18 AM
Think global warming is real? Think it's about the environment? Think again.

Global Warming is a socialist bid for global power.

There is no dearth of good solid science out there that exposes the fact twisting, spin, and outright deception of the left.

I previously posted a ten part series with ten different highly distinguished scientists refuting the global warming alarmists. The absolute lack of responses spoke volumes.

Global warming is nothing more and nothing less than the biggest wealth redistribution scam ever.

Here's another article. Perhaps someone might actually read it.:
Climate chaos? Don't believe it! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml)

Fats

pooltchr
03-04-2007, 09:38 AM
Fats,
IF anyone reads it, don't expect any response other than to claim it's all lies. The libs on here would rather follow Gore and the doom and gloom picture he paints. This is the basic fault of liberalism. They must have a crisis in order to have an excuse to raise taxes to battle the crisis. When things are going well, they have no solid platform to stand upon. Just read any post from the number one Lib on this forum....nothing positive...just crying about how bad everything is....except for Polosi and Murtha...both of whom are seen as the saviors of the country.
Steve

BRussell
03-04-2007, 11:44 AM
Someone once said that you're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts. It is a fact that the earth has been warming recentky. And it is accepted by ~99% of scientists that humans are causing this global warming to occur. The evidence supports it, and what we know about the way we are affecting the atmosphere, and the role the atmosphere plays in the earth's temperature, supports it.

We need conservatives to engage in the debate over what to do. Should we raise gas taxes? Should emissions reductions be voluntary or mandatory? What kinds of treaties with other countries, if any, should be signed? Maybe there's nothing we can do and we should just accept it and start planning to move people out of potential flood areas, if necessary.

Conservatives provide a balance to this debate. But not if you just deny the evidence and decide to say "it's a lie." Then you just abdicate any serious role. Don't do that. It just harms you, and all of us.

moblsv
03-04-2007, 01:36 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote pooltchr:</font><hr>IF anyone reads it, don't expect any response other than to claim it's all lies.<hr /></blockquote>

I didn't read it, it's not worth my time. It's all lies.

Happy?

pooltchr
03-04-2007, 05:16 PM
BR,
This is why much statistical information is useless. You can use statistics to back up either point of view. If the average temperature in 2006 was warmer than in 2001, that supports global warming. But if the temp in 06 was lower than in 96, that doesn't!
The earth's temperature has always run in cycles. It was probably much warmer before the ice age. There are warm cycles and cool cycles. We can't just look at the last 50 years or the last 100 years. We need to consider the last 3000 years or more, to get a better understanding of what we are dealing with. And if there is a way to determine what exactly factors into the changes, we might find out that humans are very insignificant in the scheme of things. Personally, I think the sun is the major player here. Maybe we need to figure out how to control it.
I am by no means saying we shouldn't care for the environment. Only that our contribution, good or bad, is going to be minimal at best, unless we are willing to give up our homes with air conditioning and heat, our cars, our roads, our office buildings, our power plants, our entire transportation system, etc.
Are we ready to return to the stone age?
From what I read, I don't think Al Gore is!
Steve

Gayle in MD
03-04-2007, 06:38 PM
Steve writes...
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Only that our contribution, good or bad, is going to be minimal at best, unless we are willing to give up our homes with air conditioning and heat, our cars, our roads, our office buildings, our power plants, our entire transportation system, etc.
Are we ready to return to the stone age?
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Don't you ever have anything positive to say?
/ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Forgive me if I don't think things are going great presently, given our debt, and this costly, pointless war. I do, however, believe these problems with climate change, and the threats they pose to the earth, can be solved, and solved in a way which could create jobs, inusure our environment, and purify our water and air. Your scenario, in quotes, seems very gloomy, to me, atleast.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Oh, and do keep us posted on your progress in controling the sun...I'm sure we can trust Cheney, and Bush, to level with Americans on just about everything, and particularly, threats. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Gayle in Md.




When niny-nine percent of the Scientists say we MUST address this problem immediately, and we have a president who has had policies throughout his tenure which ignore and also mask the problem, even using intimidation, and censoring of our scientists, and their reports, I think it's safe to say that George Bush will not be leading the way in saving the planet.

Gayle in MD
03-04-2007, 07:00 PM
Good post, and right on target. One would think such an important issue could be addressed without partisan slurs and attacks. We do, after all, have to face the fact that our scientific community is in world-wide agreement that global warming is a threat that must be addressed. Our country should be the leader in doing so. Unfortunately, I don't think the present administration, given it's history, and policies, will lead.

Gayle in Md.

moblsv
03-04-2007, 07:16 PM
Did you catch all of this on CSPAN? The amazing parts were after the initial presentation when the EPA had the talking head interupt every question to try and point out how Bush has always been on top of the problem (Oceania has always been at War with Eurasia), and then in the Science Committee when Rohrabacher went on the attack, as if the scientists were out to destroy our way of life.

The good news is that several Republilcans, in the Science Committee, admitted that they were one time skeptics but now realize that this is for real.

IPCC report slideshow.
http://www.ipcc.ch/present/WMEF_FINAL.ppt (dial-up warning - large download)

Qtec
03-04-2007, 07:36 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote FatsRedux:</font><hr> Think global warming is real? Think it's about the environment? Think again.

Global Warming is a socialist bid for global power. <font color="blue"> /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gifLMAO </font color>

There is no dearth of good solid science out there that exposes the fact twisting, spin, and outright deception of the left.

I previously posted a ten part series with ten different highly distinguished scientists refuting the global warming alarmists. The absolute lack of responses spoke volumes. <font color="blue"> Go figure. </font color>

Global warming is nothing more and nothing less than the biggest wealth redistribution scam ever. <font color="blue"> Eh! I thought it was about saving the planet and US! </font color>

Here's another article. Perhaps someone might actually read it.:
Climate chaos? Don't believe it! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml)

Fats <hr /></blockquote>

Years ago the forests of Norway and Sweden were dying and nobody knew why.

Acid Rain.
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Evidence for an increase in the levels of acid rain comes from analyzing layers of glacial ice. These show a sudden decrease in pH from the start of the Industrial Revolution of 6 to 4.5 or 4. Other information has been gathered from studying organisms known as diatoms which inhabit ponds. Over the years these die and are deposited in layers of sediment on the bottoms of the ponds. Diatoms thrive in certain pHs, so the numbers of diatoms found in layers of increasing depth give an indication of the change in pH over the years[citation needed].

Since the industrial revolution, emissions of sulfur and nitrogen oxides to the atmosphere have increased.[9] Occasional pH readings of well below 2.4 (the acidity of vinegar) have been reported in industrialized areas.[9] Industrial acid rain is a substantial problem in the People's Republic of China[10], Eastern Europe, Russia and areas down-wind from them. These areas all burn sulfur-containing coal to generate heat and electricity[citation needed]. The problem of acid rain not only has increased with population and industrial growth, but has become more widespread. The use of tall smokestacks to reduce local pollution has contributed to the spread of acid rain by releasing gases into regional atmospheric circulation. Often deposition occurs a considerable distance downwind of the emissions, with mountainous regions tending to receive the most (simply because of their higher rainfall). An example of this effect is the low pH of rain (compared to the local emissions) which falls in Scandinavia.[citation needed]

Acid rain was first reported in Manchester, England, which was an important city during the Industrial Revolution. In 1852, Robert Angus Smith found the relationship between acid rain and atmospheric pollution. The term "acid rain" was used for the first time by him in 1872.[5] Though acid rain was discovered in 1852, it wasn't until the late 1960s that scientists began widely observing and studying the phenomenon. Canadian Harold Harvey was among the first to research a "dead" lake. Public awareness of acid rain in the U.S increased in the 1990s after the New York Times promulgated reports from the Hubbard Brook Experimental Forest in New Hampshire of the myriad deleterious environmental effects demonstrated to result from it[citation needed].

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What is indisputable is that small changes in temp can have drstic effects of the climate.
Put it this way, NASA is launching a rocket [ you are in command] and 99 guys say its a ' no go'. One guy say's ' you are clear to launch".
What do you do?

One of the Govt's reasons for invading Iraq was that they " coundn't take the chance".
If there is even a remote possibility that the human race is affecting the climate , I don't see how they can GAMBLE on the fate of mankind's very existence when 99% of the world's experts disagree with them.

Its no co-incidence that the world's biggest polluter denies that GB exists.
Q

wolfdancer
03-05-2007, 01:07 AM
"This is the basic fault of liberalism. They must have a crisis in order to have an excuse to raise taxes to battle the crisis. When things are going well, they have no solid platform to stand upon."

When you make a declarative statement like this...shouldn't you qualify it with a couple of examples?....or are we supposed to accept it on face value??? and it's now gospel, or set in stone?
Steve, I'm not sure why you are so positive that there is no global warming, or that if there is we are not contributing to it. AND,Do you really think liberals enjoy paying taxes more then the right? (maybe you even think the Bush tax cut, and trickle down theory, will pay for this war?)
I once sat on a jury panel to decide a monetary award to an accident victim.....one Expert Witness, an orthopedic surgeon testified to the plaintiff's injuries, another testified against her....thing was, they shared the same office and made a good portion of their money just from testifying.....Look had enough and pay enough....you can get an expert to swear to the flat earth theory....
You really want the unvarnished truth about global warming?....go to the poles and ask the Eskimos....then tell them they are just a bunch of God-Damn liberals....
Thing is...that the preponderance of scientists....even some former Bush advisers....now are supporting the idea of global warming.....
140 Nations signed the Kyoto Accords....must be a whole lot of "liberals" out there. Check out some of the things they were taking into account:(link at the bottom)
It really doesn't matter if you do and Redux, don't..... believe....it's out of your hands......(Thank God)

It doesn't fit in with your political idealogy? You can't be a true Conservative Christian Republican....and give the idea some credence? I'm not sure why Christians, or conservatives would object..and hope it's not just a party line? Reminds me of your stance against smoking regs....and then I see the ad where a woman that never smoked is dying of lung cancer, because her workplace environment was smoke-filled....(sure she should have found another job, and kept that until they hired a few smokers, then moved on again)

....I remember the first time I flew into Los Angeles...from Hawaii...a nice bright sunshine day...until we dropped into the smog layer.
And driving east to Reno....it could also be a nice day....until you hit Donner Summit....and see the smog layer below you....sure looked like unhealthy pollutants to me....Asthmatics and children were warned to stay indoors(they would have regs against certain types of fires during the bad smogs....yeah, more liberal Government interference)
So, without any scientific background...I'm thinking...what if there is no thermal inversion layer to trap these contaminants, where we can see them....they don't do
diddly-squat elsewhere?

But, here's another "problem" that I'm sure you'll denounce as just another urban legend....
As though we didn’t have enough to worry about weather-wise, what with global warming, the ozone hole, and the new El Niño season, UN scientists have now identified this new threat to the world’s climate.

It is a vast cloud of smog three kilometres deep, enveloping the whole of southern Asia — a soup of industrial pollutants, carbon monoxide from vehicle exhausts and particles of soot from burning forests and millions of rural cooking fires. It blocks 15% of sunlight, which reduces crop yields. It also creates acid rain, leads to respiratory illnesses, reduces rainfall and causes extreme weather events. Because the cloud is capable of being dispersed rapidly around the world, it may affect a much wider area than just Asia.

The term "Asian Brown Cloud" seems to have been around for a couple of years in scientific circles, but came to prominence in August 2002 in a report prepared by climatologists at the UN Environment Programme in preparation for the World Summit on Sustainable Development in Johannesburg that month. The good news, they say, is that unlike other causes of pollution and climate change, this one is curable if Asians can shift to more efficient ways of burning fuels.

The “Asian Brown Cloud,” a 2-mile-thick blanket of pollution over South Asia, may be causing the premature deaths of half a million people in India each year, deadly flooding in some areas and drought in others, a new U.N.-sponsored study indicates.
Summary....there is no global Warming...mission accomplished!!!!

[Los Angeles Times, Aug. 2002]

A UN-backed study released on Friday said the “Asian Brown Cloud” — a vast haze of pollution stretching across South Asia — is damaging agriculture, modifying rainfall patterns and endangering the population.

[Agence France Presse, Aug. 2002] web page (http://mindprod.com/environment/kyoto.html)

Gayle in MD
03-05-2007, 02:10 AM
Key words, "several republicans" /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif there are always so few of them willing to speak truth to power. What you describe is exactly how the republicans treated the 9/11 families. The facts, are the enemy of the right, hence, truth speakers must be attacked.

Yes, I saw it, and it proved to be another day, out of many, many days, when I became furious over the corruption of the Bush administration. The evil empire, is here, and watching C-Span, live, and listening to the so called compassionate conservatives, a true Oxymoron, BTW, reveals the horror, and sheer evil which premeates the entire thrust of this administration.

There is a trickle down phenomena, alright,... corruption, lies and denial of the factual information, is the only thing trickling straight down from the oval office, throughout every branch of our government.

Nothing could have hurt America more, and untimately the world, than Bush and Cheney in positions of power. As long as they can rely on ignorance, and apathy, they can continue their course of complete destruction. They were paid to get into office, and lie, and a quick accounting of how few Republicans are honest enough, and responsible enough, to take a stand against the destructive lies, and incompetence of this administration, lends more than enough proof why voting republican is the ultimate unpatriotic act.

What is so disturbing is that it is the same damn thing, regardless of the subject, Global Warming, the war, health issues, 9/11, election fraud, name any subject, and the evil facsist empire, with the assistance of their right wing media and historical ignorance of religious ideology, respond in unison, with the same modus operendi, Lies, lies and more lies.

"People just don't see how well things are going in Iraq, because they see the one bomb going off in Baghdad on the news every night...." /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Nice try, Laura /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

If everyone in this country watched the live coverage of C-Span, Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld would have been run out of town long ago.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
03-05-2007, 08:35 AM
[ QUOTE ]
140 Nations signed the Kyoto Accords....must be a whole lot of "liberals" out there. Check out some of the things they were taking into account:(link at the bottom)
It really doesn't matter if you do and Redux, don't..... believe....it's out of your hands......(Thank God)
<hr /></blockquote> How many of those 140 nations really matter (as far as the Kyoto treaty and its finacial success should the US ever get stupid and sign)? I believe many stand to benefit financially from signing the treaty? You have no idea what the intentions are of those nations signing the treaty and quite a lot of them would love for the US to sign and it has NOTHING to do with solving global warming.

I agree with you that it does not matter if Steve or Redux believe, or myself for that matter, it is out of our hands. The beauty of it is that it is also out of the hands of the libs. W will never sign it and at the pace the Libs are going they have no chance of getting in the WH in the next election. You are right, Thank God.

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You can't be a true Conservative Christian Republican....and give the idea some credence? <hr /></blockquote> I don't think anyone is saying there is no global warming, I just believe that we are going through very normal temp cycles.

eg8r

eg8r
03-05-2007, 08:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle:</font><hr> One would think such an important issue could be addressed without partisan slurs and attacks. <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle:</font><hr> Key words, "several republicans" <hr /></blockquote> <hr /></blockquote> Until Gayle can choose one side of the fence (partisan or not) how can we move forward? She tells us that at least on this subject we should be above that,however two posts later she contradicts herself.

Maybe what is happening is that the polar ice caps are melting and the equator is going to begin getting colder? Who knows, the scientific community is guessing here and the Northeast had quite a frigid month last month.

eg8r

Deeman3
03-05-2007, 09:41 AM
Jack,

Maybe you guys are right. I saw a program last night where a leading biologist was citing the devastating fact that Polar Bear numbers had dwindled from 5,000 in the 1960's to a paltry 25,000 today and are threatenting to be near extinction numbers of 50,000 to 55,000 in ten to twenty years! /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

DeeMan

wolfdancer
03-05-2007, 10:03 AM
have you added zoology to your repertoire?
With the ice caps melting and the Eskimos forced to travel by water over areas that they could once walk upon....the bears should continue to thrive, as they add Eskimo pie to their diet.
More open water though..more access to the seals?

FatsRedux
03-05-2007, 12:38 PM
As usual everything devolves into idiotic statist "us vs. them" political BS. It doesn't matter whether or not something is true as long as it allows for statist morons to attach themselves to their side of the political aisle.

Go on, left and right wing warriors, keep supporting people and parties who hurt you, and coerce you. The politicians will continue to enrich themselves at your expense while your rights continue to erode.

BTW did I mention that Global Warming is sheer unadulterated horse sh*t? Oh and can someone explain why temperatures on Mars have been creeping upwards? Is it due to all the Martian SUV's and/or the Martian cow farts? Perhaps the Martians aren't lucky enough to have their own Algore (TM) to bring them into the light.

Democrats suck, Republicans suck, socialists suck, fascists suck, liberals suck, and conservatives suck. Want a real change? Try Libertarianism.

Fats

FatsRedux
03-05-2007, 01:00 PM
Here's something to consider: (This was sent to me by a friend, you can verify the information for yourself.)

One report from National Geographic News asserts, "Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet’s recent climate changes have a natural — and not a human-induced — cause, according to one scientist’s controversial theory.”

Data from NASA’s Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey mission in 2005 disclosed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps” near Mars’ south pole had been shrinking for three consecutive summers.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the shrinking provides evidence that the current warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun, according to the National Geographic article.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars,” he said. "Manmade greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance.”

The other report offers a mechanism behind the changes in the sun — variations in its magnetic field.

Compiled by scientists at the Danish National Space Center, it maintains that the Earth’s climate is strongly influenced by cosmic rays from exploded stars.

The cosmic rays help make ordinary clouds, and high levels of rays and cloudiness cool the planet, while lower levels of radiation lead to milder temperatures, according to the Danish report, which is cited by Marc Morano, communications director for the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment &amp; Public Works, on the committee’s Web site.

"Cosmic ray intensities — and therefore cloudiness — keep changing because the sun’s magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the galaxy before they reach the Earth,” the Danish report by Henrik Svensmark, head of the Space Center, explains.

Whenever the sun’s magnetic field was weak, cosmic ray intensities were high and the climate cooled, most recently in the little ice age that climaxed 300 years ago.

Several scientists cited in the report believe that changes in the Earth’s climate are linked to "the journey of the sun and the Earth through the Milky Way Galaxy. They blame the icehouse episodes on encounters with bright spiral arms, where cosmic rays are most intense.”

wolfdancer
03-05-2007, 01:40 PM
Near the end of life as we know it, on the planet....when mankind is forced to live underground and in caves to escape the heat and radiation....it'll be the global warming heretics...that we harvest for our soylent green. fortunately you won't be around to be processed, and I won't be around to "rake you over the coals" so to speak.
Well, if a country of 300 million citizens can be duped into a George Walker Bush as it's President....no reason why 140 nations, and a majority of scientists couldn't have been duped into believing the Global warming myth...maybe even L.Ron Hubbard, hisself....started the rumor ..are we clear?.....let me turn up the voltage on this E-meter to "crystal clear"

pooltchr
03-05-2007, 05:43 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> Maybe what is happening is that the polar ice caps are melting and the equator is going to begin getting colder?
eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

This is great news for the Jamacian Bobsled team!!!!!!
/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Steve

eg8r
03-05-2007, 09:51 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote fats beginning of post:</font><hr> As usual everything devolves into idiotic statist "us vs. them" political BS. It doesn't matter whether or not something is true as long as it allows for statist morons to attach themselves to their side of the political aisle.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote fats end of post:</font><hr> Democrats suck, Republicans suck, socialists suck, fascists suck, liberals suck, and conservatives suck. Want a real change? Try Libertarianism. <hr /></blockquote> <hr /></blockquote> So which is it? We now have a 3d political aisle. To the left is the left and the right is the right and off in no man's land is the libertarians. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

DickLeonard
03-06-2007, 07:28 AM
Gayle please Abstintence is a Science, well at least in the minds of the idiots in the White House. The WHO refused to give a platform for the hand picked Religious Fanatic sent to Preach that Cause. Of course the US withdrew its funding for Condoms to stop the spread of Aids. ####

DickLeonard
03-06-2007, 07:54 AM
Gayle I saw Ralph Nader on a talk show being interviewed and it was mentioned about he was the person who put GWB in the White House by running on the Green Party Ticket. His reply was I didn't put GWB in the White House. Gore won the election. Election fraud and the Supreme Court put GWB in the White House.

There was a law in place that the Pres and Vice Pres couldn't come from in the same state. Chenney Switched his residence to Wyoming solving that problem. Of course that gave us two Oil Thieves running the Govt. They did reward the Oil Co. with the greatest returns on investment that could be imagined in 6 years.

Their behavior in office has been a blight on this country that will take years to rid the Country of the Stench.####

FatsRedux
03-06-2007, 04:54 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> So which is it? We now have a 3d political aisle. To the left is the left and the right is the right and off in no man's land is the libertarians. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

The dominant political parties are determined to use government to advance their agendas. As the government’s power grows, the power of “we the people” wanes, and it’s all because “we the people” have forgotten what it truly means to be free.

The left certainly has its kooks and misguided ideas, but presently the greatest danger stems from the neo-crazies (neo-conservatives). The neo-crazies engineered a takeover of the conservative movement, they began by suppressing internal dissent from true conservatives and are now using blackmail to silence opposition from within and without.

Ask yourself why does the administration refuse to follow the FISA statutes?

Ask yourself why are there 80,000 people on the “no fly” list? Why was Ted Kennedy placed on the list? Are there 80,000 known, or probable terrorists in the US? And as for Sen. Kennedy—as much as I personally dislike him, he is not a terrorist, and should never have been placed on that list.

In the absence of debate there is no Democracy. But unfortunately, people just want to hear what they want to hear. All we have now, from both sides, is faux-debate packaged for the faithful.

I got fooled once and I bought into the madness. But I’ll be damned if I ever let it happen again. That is why I have chosen to stop supporting statist political parties and embrace the Libertarian alternative.

Fats

Gayle in MD
03-07-2007, 02:24 PM
All very true. If we survive the neocon attack against our country, all that it formally stood for, and all the damage done to it by Bush, and the rest, it will be a miracle. The damage is so wide spread, affecting to many aspects of American life, one begins to wonder just how horrible and evil the real truth behind this administration's decisions may really be, probably much worse than even you or I imagine.

Gayle in Md.
So Proud I didn't voter for George Bush!

cushioncrawler
03-07-2007, 07:37 PM
Fats -- I have read or heard a number of such scientific arguements. We need more of this sort of thing, to help keep everyone honest. But nonetheless (allmost) the world is a mess. Over-population, poverty, pollution. The actions urged by the UN etc are all good things in their own right. And, i karnt see how most of the needed actions are in any way socialist. Sure, the existing "rich" would be affected, but a new "rich" would be created, i dont see any socialist undertones here at all. Why shood i worry if the current rich are too stupid to get involved with the coming new world.

We are living in the real Dark Ages. The billions of people following us over the next thousand years will hate us for needlessly ruining their world. madMac.

hondo
03-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Fats, I don't know whether it is true or not.
I do know that if the overwhelming majority of
scientists believed something that conservatives
believed and I said it was a plot all the conservatives
on here would laugh me off the forum as a conspiracy
theorist. It's kind of ironic when the shoe is on
the other foot, isn't it?
Who do you trust? Those darn liberals lie to the
conservatives and those darn conservatives lie to
the liberals.
The truth is out there but trust no one. ( Fade to
theme from X-files).


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote FatsRedux:</font><hr> Think global warming is real? Think it's about the environment? Think again.

Global Warming is a socialist bid for global power.

There is no dearth of good solid science out there that exposes the fact twisting, spin, and outright deception of the left.

I previously posted a ten part series with ten different highly distinguished scientists refuting the global warming alarmists. The absolute lack of responses spoke volumes.

Global warming is nothing more and nothing less than the biggest wealth redistribution scam ever.

Here's another article. Perhaps someone might actually read it.:
Climate chaos? Don't believe it! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml)

Fats <hr /></blockquote>

hondo
03-08-2007, 01:30 PM
Well, it's certainly chic for conservatives to say
global warming is a liberal plot. I pray you guys
are right and most of the world's scientists are
wrong!!!!!


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote pooltchr:</font><hr> BR,
This is why much statistical information is useless. You can use statistics to back up either point of view. If the average temperature in 2006 was warmer than in 2001, that supports global warming. But if the temp in 06 was lower than in 96, that doesn't!
The earth's temperature has always run in cycles. It was probably much warmer before the ice age. There are warm cycles and cool cycles. We can't just look at the last 50 years or the last 100 years. We need to consider the last 3000 years or more, to get a better understanding of what we are dealing with. And if there is a way to determine what exactly factors into the changes, we might find out that humans are very insignificant in the scheme of things. Personally, I think the sun is the major player here. Maybe we need to figure out how to control it.
I am by no means saying we shouldn't care for the environment. Only that our contribution, good or bad, is going to be minimal at best, unless we are willing to give up our homes with air conditioning and heat, our cars, our roads, our office buildings, our power plants, our entire transportation system, etc.
Are we ready to return to the stone age?
From what I read, I don't think Al Gore is!
Steve <hr /></blockquote>

Gayle in MD
03-09-2007, 07:23 AM
Bush Administration Bars Scientists From Discussing Polar Bears In Public

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070308/ts_nm/polarbears_scientists_dc

How can anyone support this bunch of fascist crooks! /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

wolfdancer
03-09-2007, 03:08 PM
Unreal, so,if you don't talk about it....then the problem will disappear, maybe?
there was an old (very old) Phil Harris song....this "either support the President, or the Polar Bears" directive...reminds me of that song:
"Lord, if You can't help me....then please don't help that bear"

eg8r
03-10-2007, 07:23 PM
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Bush Administration Bars Scientists From Discussing Polar Bears In Public
<hr /></blockquote> I think the polar bears would like their private lives left private. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

sack316
03-11-2007, 04:14 AM
I've been reading up on Climatologists' studies of the history of Earth's climates. I do admit that I do not know if Climatologists are more "left" or "right"... nor am I a climatologist, therefore I cannot verify any data first hand. So *disclaimer* I am not posting this as fact, I am simply posting the numbers I found as researched by "sum dem smart folk that put them there words into fancy textbooks and such". So here goes what I found...

1) During most of the Earth's history, global temperatures are estimated to be 8-15 degrees celcius warmer than they are today (please remember that as much as we like to think we aren't, we are only a small part of the history of the world).

2) over billions of years of climatic history, warmer periods have been broken by 6 glacial periods.

3) We are still undergoing the most recent glacial retreat (which began 14,000 years ago). It was interrupted by a short cooling period between 10000 and 8500 BC (likely due to release of fresh water from behind the ice on North America into the north Atlantic). Warming resumed by 8500 BC.

4) by 3000 BC global temperatures reached their highest during this warming period and were 1 to 2 degrees warmer than today. This time was called the Climatic Optimum, and it was then that many of the great ancient civilizations began and flourished.

5)Between 3000 and 2000 BC a cooling trend occured, sea levels declined, and many islands and coastal areas emerged above sea level that are still above sea level today

6)We again warmed from the period of 750BC to 150BC. During the Roman empire (150 BC - 300 AD) a cooling began and lasted until 900 AD.

7) the period between 900 AD and 1200 AD represented the warmest climate since the 5000-3000BC era. There were great droughts and floods reported throughout this time, and extreme climate fluctuations through the 1400's

8) From 1550 to 1850 was what we call "the little ice age". The average annual temperature for the northers hemisphere was about 1 degree celcius colder than today.

9) from 1850 to present day is a trend of general warming. 1998 was estimated to be the warmest year globally in twelve hundred years, until la nina developed, dropping temperatures slightly.


So what does it all mean? Hell, I don't know... the point is that nobody really does. There have been thriving human civilizations during warmer times than this, as well as cooler times. Earth's climate has changed and evolved drastically and chaotically long before we developed any of these technologies in question today. Who knows if we are warming the Earth ourselves, or if this planet is still simply coming out of the last little ice age through it's own environment? Perhaps we'll all continue as is and burn ourselves off the face of the earth. Or perhaps we'll "clean up our act", only to find we bring ourselves into another ice age and freeze our butts off until we are wiped out. Who knows... nobody really... that's the point.

Sack

Gayle in MD
03-11-2007, 09:21 AM
Very true, and remember, his first act as President, was to deep six all the info on Reagans Administration, and his Dad's. he didn't want the dirt on Reagan to come out in the midst of his own faux administration. Regan, remember, was the first to attack and destruct the American Workers Unions, in this country, not to mention how he let our Marines be slaughtered as they slept, 244 Marines, by Hezbnollah, in Lebanon, IIRC, some call it our first M.D.terrorist attack, and he did absolutely nothing about it. I always wonder how many of our troops have been killed by the weapons he sold to the Iran Contras. Ollie North, was the first to mention bin Laden...

Gayle in Md.