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Vapros
03-12-2007, 02:37 PM
Gayle, I usually abstain from the political discussions (??) on this board, but I have to comment now and then on your nasty and high-handed attitude toward the other posters who do not see things your way.

You began a recent post by inquiring 'Don't you get a bit tired of taking the same ol' pot shots, week after week, . .' What a colossal nerve that you, of all people, would ask that question! A condensation of your last four thousand posts would not cover a yard of toilet paper, written in cursive. The pot and the kettle, so to speak.

Why don't you take your Cadillac and go to a country where there are no Republicans and no corruption, and where you might be better appreciated? A word of caution, however; be careful what you say about their president, even if you don't like him. In many countries you would already be doing time for your bitter attacks, as seen here. I suspect that you don't fully appreciate the many freedoms you enjoy in the USA.

I was tempted to make some additional comments about your spelling and punctuation, but I will save them for another day. Be well.

DickLeonard
03-13-2007, 07:07 AM
Vapros if you ran your head into a brick wall as often as Gayle has your posts would read the same. For the life of me I can't see why she is wasting her time writing posts that have been researched extensively to a bunch of.

There is more to life.####

hondo
03-13-2007, 11:24 AM
Why don't you take your Cadillac and go to a country where there are no Republicans and no corruption, and where you might be better appreciated? A word of caution, however; be careful what you say about their president, even if you don't like him. In many countries you would already be doing time for your bitter attacks, as seen here. I suspect that you don't fully appreciate the many freedoms you enjoy in the USA.

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I'm always amused when I see this kind of response.
What you are really saying is that you wish this country
was like those countries so we could shut up loud-
mouthed dissidents who don't think the way you do. Am I
right? Be honest, Vapros.

Vapros
03-13-2007, 11:58 AM
Glad to amuse you, Hondo. What I was really saying was exactly what I said. I have many faults and shortcomings, but I'm honest as hell. Few people are more honest than I.

My complaint with Gayle is not in what she believes or what she may agree with, but rather with her attitude. I don't fault her for being a dissident, if that is what she is, but for being so intolerant and spiteful. That's just ugly.

hondo
03-13-2007, 12:34 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Vapros:</font><hr> Glad to amuse you, Hondo. What I was really saying was exactly what I said. I have many faults and shortcomings, but I'm honest as hell. Few people are more honest than I.

My complaint with Gayle is not in what she believes or what she may agree with, but rather with her attitude. I don't fault her for being a dissident, if that is what she is, but for being so intolerant and spiteful. That's just ugly. <hr /></blockquote>

The edge has come from those who disagree with her
constantly beating her down with sarcasm over the
past couple of years. She actually left the forum once
in exasperation. I used to enjoy debating with the neo-cons
on AZ but it got so nasty I've pretty much given up.
Each of my comments prompted comments about how stupid
I was,dumb hillbilly, sheep f***er, Klansman.
The only reason it's not as bad on here is because the
bushies are out-numbered on here.
When you criticise the war, they call it " spewing your
hatred for the Republicans." We're un- American.
We LOVE taxes. We're baby killers. We're too dumb to
realize global warming is a conspiracy by liberals to
raise taxes.
I'm sure Gayle, who feels very strongly about the needless
loss of life in Iraq, feels disgusted by the spinning on
here and is responding accordingly.

Gayle in MD
03-13-2007, 12:51 PM
HA ha ha...this isn't the first time you have attacked me. The way I see it, I write things about this administration, things that they do which I know are illegal and immoral, impeachable offenses, destroying our country, our Constitution, our privacy rights, our international policies, the treatment of our troops, just to name a few. That is usually followed by an attack from a Republican, who is among that roughly 30% of nutty people in this country who would prefer watching it go down the drain than to acknowledge the facts. The ones who say things like, they don't care if our government spies on us, because they don't have anything to hide. This is our Constitution we're talking about.

I read the militant posts on here for years from the right, all the hullaballou and outrage over a lie, not hundreds of lies, not a lie that kills, not a lie that destroys, one lie about a man's personal life, between himself, and his wife. Now, after numerous impeachable offenses have been committed by Bush, and lie after lie, the all out slaughter of our troops, resulting from lies that led us to war under false pretenses, they don't want to be reminded about their piss poor choice of a President. Well that's just too bad. Apparently you are the one who doesn't appreciate our freedoms in this country, since you are one of the people who would prefer to look the other way while George Bush, and his fascist neocons, destroy them.


I make you angry? Good. Maybe you'll care enough about what this idiot is doing to our troops, and our country, to do your own research and prove my statements wrong. I welcome it.

You'd better take a look at your own posts, before you critisize anyone's spelling and punctuation. I think I get my ideas across very well,... obviously, you get my points. I'm not writing for the national archives. You don't like it, stuff it!

Gayle in Md.
Thankful for oversight at last, and lovin' it! AND so proud I din't vote for George Bush

Gayle in MD
03-13-2007, 01:05 PM
Gee, thanks Hondo. From now on I'm going to let you answer to my attackers! You do a much better jos of it than I.

People who stop in here now and then, don't know the history. Also, people who know me, know for sure, the last thing I am, is spiteful. I've never held a grudge against anyone in my life. It is my right to write what I feel. When others attack me personally, rather than offer anything of substance to prove my statements wrong, it's just the Republican way. I don't hate Republicans, just the things they say and do, and their overwhelming apathy!

BTW, Bill Maher had a funny line about them on Larry King, something about... "Republicans are always telling us about how big Government IS the problem, then they get into office, and prove it!" /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gayle in Md.
Thanks again, friend

Vapros
03-13-2007, 03:58 PM
Thanks for your response. I have checked to be certain it already appears on my yard of paper, and sure enough, there it is - second sheet from the top.

Also, you are indeed fortunate to have so stout a supporter as Hondo, who is ready, on short notice, to endorse your politics and also to justify your practices. Good on you both.

Anyway, I thought I was among the people you were ignoring, as being unworthy of your attention. Does this mean that I am back in your good graces?

I, for one, would like to see political subjects banned from this forum. Nothing is ever accomplished, unless you count ill will. And most of the posters have demonstrated that, on other topics, they are quite reasonable and likable people. I include you in that observation. Besides, the acrimonious exchanges that appear here cannot be very encouraging to the good folks at Billiards Digest.

DebraLiStarr
03-13-2007, 05:58 PM
Vapros

A lot of people agree with you entirely, but will not say so publicly to avoid the types of responses you have already received. FWIW, most of the people that used to post on the NPR forum on a regular basis hardly log in here anymore because of the atmosphere and the people responsible for it.

I remember when the NPR forum was a lot of fun, filled with jokes, links to funny web sites, good natured teasing with each other - but that was replaced by the fun &amp; joy that you are experiencing now.

The people responsible for this will claim their right to free speech &amp; the right to voice their opinons - but they don't realize that most of the time they are just arguing with each other.

I find it funny that some people ( no names - but I'm sure you can figure it out) go on and on about their right to have their opinion while at the same time they slam others for having their's. It makes for a very hostlile atmosphere with people on both sides trying to drill their ideals into the heads of those that don't share their point of view. In the end, this has turned into a political forum, not a non-pool related forum - and its definitely not a fun place to visit anymore.

Gayle in MD
03-13-2007, 11:29 PM
Then why were you here in the first place?

Gayle in MD
03-13-2007, 11:40 PM
Thanks for your response. I have checked to be certain it already appears on my yard of paper, and sure enough, there it is - second sheet from the top. So, is this your version of personable?

Also, you are indeed fortunate to have so stout a supporter as Hondo, who is ready, on short notice, to endorse your politics and also to justify your practices. My practices do not require justification. Good on you both. Thanks, I love and respect Hondo, and fin his kind words very meaningful.

Anyway, I thought I was among the people you were ignoring, as being unworthy of your attention. Does this mean that I am back in your good graces? I try to avoid returning posts to people when reasonable communcation seems impossible. I do consider others here, though it may not seem so to you.

I, for one, would like to see political subjects banned from this forum. I don;'t agree at all. Nothing is ever accomplished, unless you count ill will. I know of no ill will among the people here who post about political issues, however, I could name many grudges which have exisrted on the pool related side of the board, for years, and still going strong. Maybe we should outlaw pool discussions? And most of the posters have demonstrated that, on other topics, they are quite reasonable and likable people. I include you in that observation. Besides, the acrimonious exchanges that appear here cannot be very encouraging to the good folks at Billiards Digest.

OIC, this is really all about Billiards digest? My, they certainly have no shortage of saviors.

Look, here how I feel about your pointed post to me, deal.

pooltchr
03-14-2007, 05:26 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Then why were you here in the first place? <hr /></blockquote>

I believe this is exactly the kind of response that Debra was talking about...argumentative, and not really adding anything to the discussion. Only posted to evoke a return that can elevate to a full blown arguement. I suspect you are a good person, but posts like this would cause one to wonder if you really enjoy arguing just for the sake of arguing.
Steve

Gayle in MD
03-15-2007, 01:07 AM
Your post, fits your description very well, Steve, and I might add, that it fits just about every post you write to me. I think that Debra would like to suggest that others don't read this board because of me, yet whenever she sees the opportunity to join into an attack on me, she is Johnny on the spot. I'd guess she reads this forum regularly, which was my point, which, BTW, wasn't made with sarcasm, and was an observation.

Almost every post you write to me is

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argumentative, and not really adding anything to the discussion. Only posted to evoke a return that can elevate to a full blown arguement.
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I don't have to defend myself, and especially to DLS, or you, since you both have written some of the nastiest posts on here, and DLS has posted most of the pornographic pictures over years, which I find very offensive, but have never spoken out, given I don't try to dictate how others may post, so I just scrolled by the graphics as quickly as possible. When she is posting regularly, I have to remind myself not to get on this site when my grand-daughter is visiting, but I handle it.

You can continue to accuse me of you own posting style, have at it, but I know that your contempt for my political views is really behind the criticism. I suppose if I were interested in winning some sort of popularity contest, imaginary or otherwise, I would refrain from posting my views, here, or anywhere. I could sit in a chair with my hands folded in my lap, and smile/nod for the rest of my life. I could never utter an opinion for the rest of my life, and be fairly certain that I would offend no one, and be liked by all, and my life would shrink, along with my spirit.

As long as our troops are dying, I will continue to speak out against this evil and corrupt administration, and as long as I live, I will continue to be who I am, regardless of criticism. Too bad some of you are so ill equipped to handle that. Deal. This thread was launched from contempt, and a desire to achieve some sort of public humiliation. Guess you didn't get enough of that over on the PR side, where it abounds. That's interesting, since I don't have that feeling about people here, just for officials of my government whom I believe are a threat to the country.

Gayle in Md.

hondo
03-15-2007, 08:44 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Vapros:</font><hr>

I, for one, would like to see political subjects banned from this forum. Nothing is ever accomplished, unless you count ill will. And most of the posters have demonstrated that, on other topics, they are quite reasonable and likable people. I include you in that observation. Besides, the acrimonious exchanges that appear here cannot be very encouraging to the good folks at Billiards Digest. <hr /></blockquote>

I agree 100%. BTW, I'm looking for a new cue and I only
have $3.50 to spend. I've been looking at a used Meucci
and a used Cuetec cause I heard they are the best. Help!
Also, when I want to use follow english, should I hit
it high or low. I have only been playing pool for 43
years. i asked Dr. Dave on the regular forum but I couldn't
understand his answer.

Vapros
03-15-2007, 10:23 AM
Yours is an excellent question, but it belongs on the other board. And where in the world did you get $3.50?

hondo
03-15-2007, 10:30 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Vapros:</font><hr> Yours is an excellent question, but it belongs on the other board. And where in the world did you get $3.50? <hr /></blockquote>

Well, I got this HUGE raise from Governor Manchin.
I think we should eliminate political discussions and
combine the two boards so we would have at least 3 posts
a day.

DebraLiStarr
03-17-2007, 11:17 PM
Gayle...

Why am I here? Hmmmm. Every few weeks I peek in to see if you are still beating people over the head for not sharing your political views. Other than that I avoid this forum completely, and yes - many people blame the political discussions and arguing for driving people away. That is not meant as a slam towards you or anybody, its a fact - own up to it.

Pornographic pictures? WTF are you talking about? The ponly pictures I have posted to this forum were of the CCB Mickey Mouse Club - and any and pornography that I have ever had on my computer was sent to me via e-mail by Wendy (lol) - it viewed, rated, viewed again for educational purposes, put to good use and properly sent to the recycle bin afterwards. lol.

You need to understand that we all have opinions. Its not so much that you are right and I am wrong or vice versa - it is having respect for people that have differing opinons. My views vary from yours because I see the world and experience the world differently than you do - differently than Steve does. Steve and I have gone a few rounds in the past, we have not always gotten along with each other but throughout all of that I believe that he remained very respectful. With the exception of Fast Larry, Drivermaker, and John Barton I have very few problems on this or any other forum. I am of the belief that you can disagree with somebody and still remain respectful and friendly despite those disagreements on certain topics and political views (unless the other person has a flow-bee haircut) /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif. Sometimes you come across as militant with your views (which I believe is your passion on the subject matter) and sometimes it comes across as abrasive and unfriendly. I do however respect your right to have those views, but I do take exception to the way that you openly and blatantly show no respect towards those with opposing viewpoints.

Though I am politically conservative I don't agree with everything that Bush, Cheney, or the GOP does, hell I don't agree with Ed 90% of the time, but I do respect Ed's position and I do give him the respect to share his viewpoint as food for thought as I do with your posts. Its one thing to express your points of view in a way that is thought provoking, and it is completely different to express it as argument provoking. JMO, I am still not sure why you are so hostile towards me after all this time. I think these 2 posts are the only ones I have made to this forum in the past 8 months. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

If you are holding a grudge over something that happened years ago, then it sheds light upon your maturity level and your inablity to resolve conflicts and disagreements. Thanks for painting me out as the forum pornographer (WTF are u talking about /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif )- like I said earlier - if you want to see the good stuff, get with Wendy. rotflmfao @ U

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cushioncrawler
03-18-2007, 03:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Vapros:</font><hr> I, for one, would like to see political subjects banned from this forum. Nothing is ever accomplished, unless you count ill will. And most of the posters have demonstrated that, on other topics, they are quite reasonable and likable people. I include you in that observation. Besides, the acrimonious exchanges that appear here cannot be very encouraging to the good folks at Billiards Digest. <hr /></blockquote>I agree 100%. BTW, I'm looking for a new cue and I only have $3.50 to spend. I've been looking at a used Meucci and a used Cuetec cause I heard they are the best. Help! Also, when I want to use follow english, should I hit it high or low. I have only been playing pool for 43 years. i asked Dr. Dave on the regular forum but I couldn't understand his answer. <hr /></blockquote>The cue i am uzing now cost me $2, i won it in a raffle, later i hollowed out the butt to looz wt, later i sanded it to get rid of wt nearer the tip and to make it whippyr, but the main reazon that i uze it (instead of my other 6 cues) iz that it is the only one with a slight bend. Love that bend.

At close quarters, to get follow, u must aim for the center of the qball, then uze an upwards follow-throo (the qtip ends up pointing to the ceiling), here u karnt uze a loop-bridge. Most players (wrongly) aim really high on the qball, but, from there the qtip haztago downwardz a bit, ie u get weaker follow, and there iz more chance of a foul. bentMac.

Dagwood
03-18-2007, 05:51 PM
I really didn't want to get involved in this thread. I try to stay away from these, but felt I would just throw in my 2 cents, as little as it's worth. I don't think it'd be the correct thing to do to ban political discussion on this forum. But I think it's each posters responsibility to review what they are about to post. Having a politically fueled discussion/argument is fine and dandy, as long as the arguing is about the politics. What happens all too often on here is people misconstrue someone's opinion, which is probably contrary to their own, as a personal attack on them. The snowball effect starts there. If you all just sit back and make sure that what you post is continuing the discussion/argument, and not taking said discussion/argument to a personal level, things would be much more pleasant on this board. Calling someone ignorant, naive, uneducated, or just plain stupid falls into this category, btw.

The situation in this country with the war in Iraq, big business working behind the scenes, and big gov't getting bigger, just pushes the right more to the right and the left more to the left...the stronger the polarization the more violent the reaction when they come together. So all that's needed is just a little moderation by us posters. Not saying you can't voice your opinion; lord knows upholding our basic rights as given in our constitution is one of the reasons that I spent 9 months in Afghanistan...whether you believe that or not is irrelevant. I believe it.

It's probably beyond the point of repair, but I'd at least like to see this side of the CCB be a little less antagonistic...again...just my 2 cents.

Dags

hondo
03-19-2007, 06:29 AM
Thanks, Mac. I am now ready for Bata. LOL!

hondo
03-19-2007, 06:37 AM
Excellent post. A case in point is a recent thread on
AZ started by Jay Helfert on global warming praising
Al Gore's movie.
The neo-cons immediately attacked, calling him stupid,
and telling him to drink more koolaid.
He never took the bait. He answered every post, thanked them
for their opinion, read articles and watched videos
they wanted him to see, conceded some points, but never
backed down. All the time responding in a calm tone and
avoiding name-calling.
I was impressed. A lesson in class.
BTW, they stopped the insults after seeing his approach
and appeared to be actually reading his posts and thinking
about his answers. And that bunch on AZ make the posters
on here seem like a bunch of pussycats.They are cruel.


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Dagwood:</font><hr> I really didn't want to get involved in this thread. I try to stay away from these, but felt I would just throw in my 2 cents, as little as it's worth. I don't think it'd be the correct thing to do to ban political discussion on this forum. But I think it's each posters responsibility to review what they are about to post. Having a politically fueled discussion/argument is fine and dandy, as long as the arguing is about the politics. What happens all too often on here is people misconstrue someone's opinion, which is probably contrary to their own, as a personal attack on them. The snowball effect starts there. If you all just sit back and make sure that what you post is continuing the discussion/argument, and not taking said discussion/argument to a personal level, things would be much more pleasant on this board. Calling someone ignorant, naive, uneducated, or just plain stupid falls into this category, btw.

The situation in this country with the war in Iraq, big business working behind the scenes, and big gov't getting bigger, just pushes the right more to the right and the left more to the left...the stronger the polarization the more violent the reaction when they come together. So all that's needed is just a little moderation by us posters. Not saying you can't voice your opinion; lord knows upholding our basic rights as given in our constitution is one of the reasons that I spent 9 months in Afghanistan...whether you believe that or not is irrelevant. I believe it.

It's probably beyond the point of repair, but I'd at least like to see this side of the CCB be a little less antagonistic...again...just my 2 cents.

Dags <hr /></blockquote>

Gayle in MD
03-19-2007, 06:44 AM
Hi Dags, how's it going?

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The situation in this country with the war in Iraq, big business working behind the scenes, and big gov't getting bigger, just pushes the right more to the right and the left more to the left...the stronger the polarization the more violent the reaction when they come together. So all that's needed is just a little moderation by us posters

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Very true, Dags...and I thank you again for your service to our country. Vigilence is of utmost importance at this time, IMO, and exposing untruths, told to us by our government, is never more important than when our troops are dying on the battlefield, and should be the concern of all patriotic Americans, who love our country, and the freedoms for which they fight. It is difficult when one is trying their best to correct the vast amount of false information which is purported to be truth, and being called a terrorist lover, for example. In my view, our country is under domestic attack, and our rights and freedoms are being systematically dismantled by this administration, with the help of neocon propaganda. Also, I find it difficult to understand Americans, complaining about political debate, while our troops are being killed and maimed.

Gayle in Md.