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Gayle in MD
04-11-2007, 01:04 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001776.html

eg8r
04-11-2007, 01:21 PM
They were pretty smart. Who in their right mind would take that job and allow themselves to have to answer to the terorrist appeasing Democrats in Congress. If he does not fix things in 5 days the Dems will call for his head. If he does not demand the withdrawal of troops next week, the Dems will have his head. Why would someone want that job when the President wants to send more troops to help the US (and allied) forces to be successful and the Dems will only do it if we help our spinach farmers. Why would someone want that job when the President says no to terror and Pelosi goes over and says, "terror is bad but lets talk about it over tea (and oh yeah, i spoke with Israel and I am going to lie to you about the what was discussed)."

eg8r

Gayle in MD
04-11-2007, 01:38 PM
The Baker Hamilton Commission was very critical of the Bush Administration for failing to keep the dialog open with the countries, all of the countries, with which we have problems.
We kept the dialog open with Russia, the North and South Vietnamese, Carter kept the dialog open with Egypt, and Isreal, and settled an age olddispute between them. Your friends,Republicans, sold plenty munitions and arms to
Iranians, probably the same ones killing our troops, two Republicans were over in the Middle East, talking to the same countries, BEFORE Pelosi, and her BI-PARTISAN Representatives, both Republican and Democrat...but STILL, you buy into the White House Talking Points!

Unbelievable....

We all know one thing for sure...George Bush sure as hell can't run this war!!!!

Also, Ed, the bill is designed to protect our troops from George Bush's out of touch, unrealistic, policies in the Middle East, which have failed miserable, so say all but the nutty 30%!!!

It's been four years, not 5 days, and the situation is dire and degrading, and now he wants to send back the entire 147,000 to their death and destruction because he's too damn hard headed and stubborn to admit that he failed, and this war cannot be won. This is guerilla warfare, in the midst of civil war. NEVER in history, have such occupations succeeded.

Gayle in Md.
OMG, I am so proud that I didn't vote for George Bush!!!
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eg8r
04-11-2007, 03:38 PM
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It's been four years, not 5 days, <hr /></blockquote> If you are referencing my post it has been zero days. I was referring to the time period the loony dems will give the poor fool that gets stuck with the job.

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OMG, I am so proud that I didn't vote for George Bush!!! <hr /></blockquote> I am so proud you only get one vote. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif I am ever more proud that our founding fathers had enough vision into the future to know a true democracy would never work.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
04-12-2007, 07:05 AM
I'm proud they had the good sense to put safe gaurds into the Constitution requiring that the congress has oversight, and control over money, during war time, the right to declare war, and the right to end it, and to provide checks and balances, in case we got stuck with a decietful, unrealistic, incompetent president, who put us in the middle of a mess, for worng and hidden reasons, and couldn't handle the aftermath, and thought he was King, instead of President, answerable to other oversight branches.

In the Constitution, the president’s war-related powers (”the President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy”), the Constitution outlines expansive congressional wartime powers, and they have been upheld by the Supreme Court. Congress is expressly empowered to declare war (and, implicitly, to declare an end to a particular war). Congress has the power to “raise and support Armies” (“no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years,”) which was intended to ensure precisely the accountability the administration seeks to evade. Congress also has power “To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces.” With its Iraq bills, Congress isn’t micromanaging; it’s just fulfilling its constitutional responsibilities.

Bush, and his spin machine, have twisted their power and rights, over and over, calling this a war on terror, when it is an occupation of another country, and an illegal occupation, at that. War on Iraq, was never declared, and Bush decieved the world about the necessity to invade Iraq, something that no one would have even considered had Bush and Cheney and Rice not mislead everyone in the world about the WMD's.

No four star general is dumb enough to allow Bush to insert him as a new scape goat for how own incompetence, in an unwinnable war, knowing that bush refuses to do the things that could provide our country with SOME for of success in Iraq.

Our Army, is broken, according to our Generals, and our safety here at home is at risk, because we do not have enough Reserves to meet a disaster on our shores. The best and brightest, because of what they have witnessed this administration doing, so incompently, and dishonestly, are ending their service to the country at the at the greatest rate since 1977...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/04/11/west_point_grads_exit_service_at_high_rate/

The great damage cuased our country, and the world, by George Bush, is already immeasurable, and cannot be full appreciated yet.

This war was about OIL, Halliburton, and others, and creating an unending war, called the war on terror, for the purpose of expanding Bushps powwers, in the eyes of the people, so that he could provide for his elite, Corporate Fascists, the opportunity for riches beyond your woldest imagination. In the process, he has, with all his raging incompetence, put the entire world at great risk, He's a maniac, and needs to be stopped, immediately. Declaring war, on a tactic, is ridiculous. The tactic, is fear, used by terrorists, and the power reach by Bush, was also fear. Which has done the most damage to America????

I hope you will think about this question, and not just strike back with an attack on liberals, or Democrats, Ed. I don't attack George Bush, for partisan reasons. Any President, who had behaved the way he has, would be under attack from me. Any Administration, which promoted such lies and distortions, for such underhanded purposes, would be recieving my wrath. Any Administration, which treated our soldiers the way I have witnessed them being treated, I would be demonstrating and calling for impeachment. I give you my word on that.

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
04-12-2007, 11:51 AM
There was a time in the recent past, when the U.S. and China were not exactly friendly....
"Ping-Pong diplomacy"...led to Richard Nixon, visiting Beijing, and now a few decades later....if we're short a few bucks, and need a payday loan....we borrow from our new friends. (not sure if they use Paypal to transfer the funds)
Our player gave his Chinese counterpart a T-shirt with a red, white and blue, peace emblem flag and the words "Let It Be".
My point is that any attempt to establish a dialogue, should be applauded...

Gayle in MD
04-13-2007, 07:35 AM
Absolutely! The Bush slander machine was quite silent when a Republican group spoke with the same leaders a few days prior to Nancy's diplomatic talks.

Can you imagine how this incompetent, bomb happy bunch would have handled things if Iran had captured OUR people, instead of British people! OMG, I shudder to think about it.

Recent news articles of both Bush and McCain, still harping on 9/11, while justifying their illegal occupation of Iraq, and Cheney, last week, still lying about alQaeda connections, I've always said that this Administration thinks the American People are really dumb, but this weeks' statements of vanished e-mails, really does prove that the Administration, is completely out of touch with reality, or, they really do think we're all stupid.

It is quite ironic, now that there is mumbling of giving Monica protection from prosecution in the AG scandal, we would have a rather clear comparison of how Republican Monicas, match up, in their law breaking, to Democratic Monicas, LMAO!!!

I have visions of Bush, waving the Victory sign from the hellicopter, remenicient of Nixon, and Nancy, in her beautiful suit, looking appropriately saddened, as they load Dick and Krl into the paddy wagon!!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Funny how the RNC, is always right in the middle of the illegal action! Shows how the corruption flows straight from the election process, through the presidential appointees, the aides, to the Congress, DOJ, W.House.. also facing possible firing from the World Bank for giving his mistress an illegal pay raise, Wolfowitz-and the DC Madam has just released the name of her best Republican born again customer!

Given the Republican version of restoring honor to the government, LMAO, I'm sure glad I stay out of those churches! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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eg8r
04-13-2007, 07:46 AM
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Can you imagine how this incompetent, bomb happy bunch would have handled things if Iran had captured OUR people, instead of British people! OMG, I shudder to think about it. <hr /></blockquote> I would hope we would have started with bombing all their nuclear plants.

What an idiotic thing to do when your soldiers are captured. Negotiate? Dumb. All that did was prove to Iran the Brits are weak and they can continue capturing soldiers illegally to get their own countrymen freed from British prisons. The ridiculous left will never learn until they free everyone in peace talks and then someone walks in and blows everyone up.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
04-13-2007, 07:50 AM
LMAO, spoken like a true conservative, /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif....why talk when you can play with your bombs?

I just hope we can impeach this jerk before he blows up the world, in time for the great revelation. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

eg8r
04-13-2007, 07:56 AM
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I just hope we can impeach this jerk before he blows up the world <hr /></blockquote> It would not be a surprise, Pelosi has lied about everything else she promised.


eg8r

Sid_Vicious
04-13-2007, 10:45 AM
"impeach this jerk"

DITTO! Soon. sid

Gayle in MD
04-14-2007, 05:30 AM
I hope you're only writing that for your own amusement, the rest of the world knows the facts, Pelosi has pushed through every single promise she made during the campaign. Again, you're not entitled to your own facts, Ed. Here's one for you, the cost of providing our troops with humvees properly equipped to prevent their completely vulnerable present circumstances regarding IED's blowing them up, and blowing off their limbs, causing brain damage, etc., is a little more than 8 billion dollars, yet, we are presently only manufacturing a few dozen a month, and an even longer lag time to get them overthere. Bremer LOST more money than that. The billion dollar oil industry, gets more subsidies from your fellow Repubs, than THAT! This Administration's incompetence handling Katrina, WASTED more money than THAT! So don't give me that BS about Nancy's lies, when George Bush has done nothing BUT LIE for six years, and our troops die every day because of HIS LIES.

It's no accident, that the latest polls show that 38% in this country call themselves Independents, 33% Democrat, and only 28% say they are Republican, interesting, the same number of nuts that still believe Bush's lies.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
04-14-2007, 06:30 AM
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As the new Democrat-led House rushed to complete its business before adjourning for spring break this week, Representative Ferguson was marveling at the many bills that had been passed in Congress’s first 100 days, including one that would make it easier for unions to organize and another that would increase the minimum wage.

“Under the Republican majority, those bills would have never gotten to the floor,” he explained before heading back to his district. “Now they have been brought to the floor, and I’ve voted for them.”

Mr. Ferguson’s enthusiasm captures a peculiar political reality in the Capitol: many Republicans from swing districts in the Northeast are finding that life under Democratic rule has its advantages.

During the 12 years that Republicans controlled the House, moderate Republicans were the stepchildren of their party, expected to vote with their conservative leadership on crucial issues, even if it meant taking positions that could anger centrist voters back home.

In fact, the Democrats made some of their deepest inroads last year in the Northeast. A total of 10 Republican incumbents in the House were defeated in four states — New Hampshire, Connecticut, New York and Pennsylvania — where the challengers aggressively tried to tie the incumbents to President Bush and his conservative allies on the Hill.

Now, with those losses still fresh in their minds, Republican moderates remaining in the House are vowing to pursue their centrist positions more assertively, even if it means endorsing Democratic initiatives.

And the new Republican House leadership, concerned about losing even more seats in 2008, appears to be showing a pragmatic streak by allowing moderates to stray more freely from the party fold.

“If there’s a good idea, we should work to get it done, regardless of whether it’s a Republican or a Democrat who came up with the idea,” said Mr. Ferguson, who was re-elected last year with just 49.5 percent of the vote.

Since taking control of the House in January, Democrats have pushed through bills that would raise the federal minimum wage, overturn President Bush’s restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, cut interest rates on college loans and implement Sept. 11 commission security recommendations.

Many moderate Republicans joined the Democrats in supporting those measures, including Representative Christopher Shays of Connecticut, who won his own re-election campaign with 51 percent of the vote.

“Democrats basically grabbed the center and ran with it politically,” Mr. Shays said, adding that he would continue working with the Democrats provided they did not veer from the political center.

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Ed, everything you write here, is a lie. Those of us who care enough about our troops, and our country, to educate ourselves about what is happening, certainly know that of all on this forum, your posts are cannot be supported with any documentation. The denial of factual information which you display continuously, is surely evident to me.

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wolfdancer
04-14-2007, 08:45 AM
Gayle, Slate has a nice take on the Czar refusals. It explains why nobody wants the job,and summarizes the article with:
".....The problem with the war in Iraq isn't that we don't have a war czar. The problem is that the war is in Iraq and that George W. Bush is the president."
Ed seems to have all the answers....maybe he'd be interested???

web page (http://www.slate.com/id/2164058/?GT1=9330)

Gayle in MD
04-14-2007, 10:04 AM
If only the Iraqi war were the only act of treason against our best interests. Now that Scientists overwhelmingly declare that the true visionairys' of our times are Charles, Prince Of Whales, and Vice President Al Gore, the informed among us know just how much we lost in the election frauds of 2000, and 2004.

The rolling back of 30 years of environmental protections, over 400 environmental protections laws in all, censorship of Scientific studies that we as taxpayers finance, and the placement of Oil lobbyists and executives in government environmental directorships, who when their illegal activities are disclosed, go right back to their originating families, the Fascist Oil conglomerates which are destroying the globe, and robbing us blind in Iraq, and New Orleans, just to name two ways, and we're SUBSIDIZING THEM!!!!

One of the point men in the effort was a former oil-industry lobbyist named Philip Cooney, who was given free range to edit mentions of global warming contained in government scientific reports. When he was found out, Cooney left the administration and moved to the safe waters of ExxonMobil. The American Enterprise Institute- the Exxon Mobile-backed think tank where 20 former Bush-Administration officials have served as consultants-developed an oil friendly strategy in addressing global warming. It offered economists and scientists here and in the U.K. $10,000.00 each to write articles undermining the I.P.C.C. report-even before it was fully released.

Not too hard for people, other than the nutty 28%, to connect the dots between the hidden agenda of the Bush Administration for War with Iraq, the cherry picked intelligence, the American Enterprise Institutes' pro war agenda, of which Ledeen is a member, and Wolfowitz, and the rest, Ledeen also the suspect involved in paying the Intelligence thugs in Italy, who create and sell intelligence, and their break in at the Niger Embassy which culminated in the phoney Niger Documents. The financial supporters of the A.E.I., Namely...Big Oil. The names of the no-bid Corporations who are making all the money off the blood of our troops, and just happen to be footing the bills for A.E.I, aka, friends of W., Cheney, and W's Daddy, aka fascist corporate pigs! When a Bush is in the White House, the price of oil goest through the roof. It's as reliable as flies on ****.

I'm going to send my original idea in to Bill Maher,

New Rules...
Republicans will not be allowed to vote in the next presidential election, unless they can create a complete picture on a McDonald's "Children's paper placemat" FOLLOW THE DOTS MENU WITH A CRAYON! /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
04-17-2007, 05:04 PM
Now this is the dumbest of all your posts to date. Didn't your man, Ronald Reagan, negotiate for the release of our prisoners....(and had them held captive until his election?)

You keep making these issues a left/right thing...and with your usage of derogatory terms for the left....further proof that you feel smugly superior in your belief that God is guiding the right, thru GWB.
There are good men on both sides of politics, as well as opportunists on both sides. Each side in the past has balanced out the excesses of the other.
If you realise....if you can accept the fact that the approval ratings for Bush and this war...are down in the 30% range.....and if the country is about 50/50 Dems and Reps.,
then it should be obvious, unles you are just a Cretin, that even the right has turned against this admin.
Why don't you just admit that the biggest mistake you have made was to put your trust in this man, and vote for him?
I hope that God will forgive your continued support for this
caricature of a President

Qtec
04-17-2007, 07:11 PM
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Now this is the dumbest of all your posts to date. Didn't your man, Ronald Reagan, negotiate for the release of our prisoners....(and had them held captive until his election?)
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Reps like eg8r have a short memory span, They can't remember anything before Clinton! LOL /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Actually, there is evidence to suggest that it was GW's daddy who did a deal with Iran on holding the prisoners/hostages until after the election!
They seem to forget that Reagan provided WMDs to Iran thru Israeli middle men ,DIRECTLY defying the will of congress.
Q

Qtec
04-17-2007, 07:14 PM
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Now this is the dumbest of all your posts to date.<hr /></blockquote>

In eg8r's defence, I would question that statement. I'm sure I could easily find a few recent posts to equal this one! LOL

Q /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

eg8r
04-18-2007, 09:38 AM
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Now this is the dumbest of all your posts to date. <hr /></blockquote> I am happy that I continue to out do myself. You on the other hand are old hat regurgitated responses.

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Didn't your man, Ronald Reagan, negotiate for the release of our prisoners....(and had them held captive until his election?)
<hr /></blockquote> Didn't it have the same response, it showed we were weak? They came around and bombed us during Clinton's reign, whom did nothing which proved we were definitely weak. Then they tried to do it again. W stopped that line of thought. He bombed the crap out of them. When will you wake up and see reality, get your head out of your rear.

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and if the country is about 50/50 Dems and Reps., <hr /></blockquote> You better watch your stats or Gayle will come over and slap you back to the left.

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Why don't you just admit that the biggest mistake you have made was to put your trust in this man, and vote for him? <hr /></blockquote> I won't admit it because you are wrong. It was a vote for what is right in this country. Kerry and Gore were wrong for us. If they were in power we would probably have seen Bin Laden renting out the Lincoln bedroom.

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I hope that God will forgive your continued support for this
caricature of a President <hr /></blockquote> I don't need your help with the big man up stairs. Thank goodness he makes up his own mind and does not look to get the opinion of a terrorist appeasing liberal.

eg8r

wolfdancer
04-18-2007, 11:33 AM
"....terrorist appeasing liberal."
again, further proof of your warped view on people who's political beliefs differ from yours.
I'm a life long Democrat, as were my family, friends, and neighbors. They had a proud history of serving in the military, during a time of war. Most families that I knew had lost a loved one in combat.
We supported the Democratic Party, because at that time, they reached out to the working "man"...unlike the Republicans, who supported big business, and were anti-labor.
My cousin just sent me a DVD that he made about the Destroyer's role in WWII. We enlisted together, he ended up in the Tin Can Navy; I qualified for Submarines...he made copies available to the Naval War college, and received a nice letter of commendation for that. He'd be surprised, as my family and friends would be...to know that by opposing Bush,by voting Democrat; we were now terrorist supporting liberals. Amazing, from a family of fallen soldiers to supporting terrorism...and just by voting, and speaking out against this war

I didn't like our involvement in Viet Nam, but bought into the Domino Theory, and didn't oppose it.
This is sheer madness, however, as Iraq is not our only enemy in the Middle East.....

Gayle in MD
04-18-2007, 11:41 AM
I'd lay you money that neither Ed, or his father, has ever fought for their country. I wonder if he has a single relative in his immediate family, who has. I'll lay you money, he doesn't.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
04-18-2007, 12:00 PM
I don't have anyone in my immeadiate family that is in politics at all but that does not preclude me from having an opinion on it.

However, to indulge, I do have 3 cousins who are active military right now. I have lost an uncle (whom I never met) in Vietnam, and all my grandparents were in the military in one war or another. Nearly all the men in my entire family were in the military except for my father, brother and I. Kind of like the hotel commercial, I was in JROTC. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif I hated JROTC but still had the opportunity to attend the US Naval Academy. I ended up turning it down for reasons unknown any more. They were probably good reasons at the time but I just don't remember them. Instead I chose the University of Florida. We don't kill terrorists but Ohio State is certainly afraid to see us roll into town. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r