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nAz
05-28-2007, 11:18 AM
Fox news has given a good review of Moore's new doc. so it is ok for you to watch it.

'Sicko' Shows Michael Moore's Maturity as a Filmmaker

Sunday , May 20, 2007
By Roger Friedman

Filmmaker Michael Moore's brilliant and uplifting new documentary, "Sicko," deals with the failings of the U.S. healthcare system, both real and perceived. But this time around, the controversial documentarian seems to be letting the subject matter do the talking, and in the process shows a new maturity.

Unlike many of his previous films ("Roger and Me," "Bowling for Columbine," "Fahrenheit 9-11"), "Sicko" works because in this one there are no confrontations. Moore smartly lets very articulate average Americans tell their personal horror stories at the hands of insurance companies. The film never talks down or baits the audience.

"This film is a call to action," Moore said at a press conference on Saturday. "It's also not a partisan film."

Indeed, in "Sicko," Moore criticizes both Democrats and Republicans for their inaction and in some cases their willingness to be bribed by pharmaceutical companies and insurance carriers.

In a key moment in the film, Moore takes a group of patients by boat to the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba because of its outstanding medical care. When they can't get into the U.S. naval base, Moore proceeds onto Havana where the patients are treated well and cheaply.

This has caused a great deal of controversy, with the federal government launching an investigation into the trip, which officials say was in violation of the trade and commerce embargo against the Communist country.

"This administration flaunts the law, flaunts the constitution," Moore said at the press conference, explaining the flap over the trip to Cuba.

Moore now claims the U.S. government says his Cuban footage may be illegal, and Moore said he made a second master copy of "Sicko" and had it shipped it to France immediately just in case of potential government issues.

""Hell has frozen over, First Murdoch announces that he believes in global warming, and that foxnews will start reflecting that in its programming. And now this..""

Drop1
05-28-2007, 11:58 AM
You can't go to Cuba,for rum cake,but eighty thousand Americans go on cultural exchange programs,or family emergencies. As long as Castro is alive,who can forget the missles. Cuba is going to spend eighty five billion dollars,on bracing up tourism. Thousands of people from all over the world go there. I don't agree with the embargo,it kept Communism alive in Cuba,and the door open for Chavez. As far as medical care for the elederly goes,a buck is a buck,and profit is profit.

wolfdancer
05-28-2007, 12:57 PM
Fox news has given a good review of Moore's new doc...
"What hath God wrought?" (and we just missed the anniversary of that first telegraph message...May 24,1844)
Maybe murdoch came across Abe's old speech "you can fool some of the people, all of the time...if'n they're right-wingers" ..and decided he might want to report the news, unvarniished...some of the time???
I'm not sure though, that he'll completely abandon newthink, groupthink, or doublethink....otherwise he'll lose his 27% core viewers

nAz
05-28-2007, 01:24 PM
I think someone will get canned for this one.

Bobbyrx
05-28-2007, 10:54 PM
So what's your opinion of Cuban healthcare??

nAz
05-28-2007, 11:48 PM
It's fu@ked up... then again that is cause of the greedy bastards over there who take care of the higher ups, but Cuba is one of 39 countries that have better infant mortality rates than the U.S. as a matter fact it has gotten worse since what 2002 or 2003. and for a country like ours thats is "rich and powerful" that is a damn shame.

Now i know how some of the lost right love to compare people to commies when ever they hear them say that "universal health coverage should be given for free to all legal Americans" what is wrong with that? shouldn't a truly free and compassionate society help it's citizens with something as basic as health coverage for the poor and working middle class?
or maybe this is not as important as spending $300 million for a single F/A-22 Raptor jet fighter.

Gayle in MD
05-29-2007, 06:47 AM
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shouldn't a truly free and compassionate society help it's citizens with something as basic as health coverage for the poor and working middle class?
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Naw...the right is afraid some of the beneficiaries might just be poor, black or gay, and as usual, anyone who dares to care about them, must be a commie socialist! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif If our money isn't going for war, bombs and oozies, they don't like it. they'd rather see us all continue to be financially raped by the government, to benefit the billionaire CEO's in the Oil and pharmaceutical industries.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
05-29-2007, 11:46 AM
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or maybe this is not as important as spending $300 million for a single F/A-22 Raptor jet fighter.
<hr /></blockquote> If we did not have the military to defend us, your last worry would be about free healthcare.

eg8r

cushioncrawler
05-29-2007, 04:18 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> You can't go to Cuba,for rum cake,but eighty thousand Americans go on cultural exchange programs,or family emergencies. As long as Castro is alive,who can forget the missles. Cuba is going to spend eighty five billion dollars,on bracing up tourism. Thousands of people from all over the world go there. I don't agree with the embargo,it kept Communism alive in Cuba,and the door open for Chavez. As far as medical care for the elederly goes,a buck is a buck,and profit is profit.<hr /></blockquote>Harry -- I had a billiard mate n hiz wife and their friend from Venezuala at my joint for a few days. She (the young lady from V) nearly fell over when i replied (to her question) that i liked Chavez. And i nearly fell over when she replied (to my question) that allmost everyone in Sth America dislikes Castro. madMac.

Bobbyrx
05-29-2007, 05:43 PM
The poor in this country have great health care coverage. Medicaid. It's the people who just miss qualifying for Medicaid that need the help if they have no health insurance from their employer. Medicare part D is helping many of these folks with drugs but they do need help with hospitalization,doctor's visits, tests,etc but I don't like throwing out the entire system when you just need to include this relatively small group of people into the system we have now.

nAz
05-29-2007, 06:32 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
or maybe this is not as important as spending $300 million for a single F/A-22 Raptor jet fighter.
<hr /></blockquote> If we did not have the military to defend us, your last worry would be about free healthcare.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

cmon Ed did i say the entire Military?
even you have to admit that 300 mil a pop is way over board someone is getting very rich off of that. whats the matter scare your military contracts will run out? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I think maybe health care and better education will help us more in any future wars.

Drop1
05-29-2007, 09:57 PM
Like most people,Chavez is a mix,and I don't like this recent closing of the T.V. station. However I like his idea that the natural resources of the Country, should first serve the people of the Country,and the excess should be exported. Castro just chose the wrong side to lean on. He should die,or step aside.

Deeman3
05-30-2007, 03:05 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> Fox news has given a good review of Moore's new doc...
"What hath God wrought?" (and we just missed the anniversary of that first telegraph message...May 24,1844)
Maybe murdoch came across Abe's old speech "you can fool some of the people, all of the time...if'n they're right-wingers" ..and decided he might want to report the news, unvarniished...some of the time???
I'm not sure though, that he'll completely abandon newthink, groupthink, or doublethink....otherwise he'll lose his 27% core viewers <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> Wolfdancer,

I see the light. Cuba has the answer to healthcare as well as the other answers to free enterprise. Just make everything belong to the government and people will have what they need. Do you believe Michael Moore will trade his three homes for the medical care he would get in Cuba? How does Castro pay for the outstanding healthcare he provides? Wander about a half block from any major hotel and you'll see Castro's real Cuba and the way it's citizens live. Oh! That's America'a fault. Without the embargo, Cuba would be prosperous. Wait, hasn't the other communist countries flooded Cuba with money and supplies? Why did that not work?

Now, Chavez is going to do the same for his country on the backs of oil profits. Want to bet me a steak dinner where the south American Oil Industry will be after nationization in a few years? and maybe this new found healthcare with it. I believe we should provide basic health care to all Americans but now we are defining any "Americans" as anyone, who might be a future left voter, no matter their history, place of origin, motives or criminal history.

It is now clear, we owe all Americans a living, no matter their motivation or their willingness to contribute in return. Are we now to expand that to all illegal immigrants, even the ones who want to kill us? Yep, it sure sounds like that to me. Chavez is a hero, Cuba a model for the U.S. You are right, I have outlived my useful life.

I also, still wonder, with all of Mr. Moores astonishment with Castro's vast advantages over the U.S. why all those silly people keep climbing into leaking boats and floating over here. it would seem the flow would be in the opposite direction! I am baffled...</font color>

wolfdancer
05-30-2007, 04:09 PM
I hope Moore was not giving a blanket endorsement, of Communism under Castro...just commenting on the lack of health care here, for many.
As for the "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free....".....it looked good on paper....

eg8r
05-31-2007, 02:07 PM
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cmon Ed did i say the entire Military?
even you have to admit that 300 mil a pop is way over board someone is getting very rich off of that. <hr /></blockquote> If you did not pick the Raptor you would have found something else in the military that was expensive. It really did not matter. As far as someone getting rich, our shareholders are not to pleased that the purchase quantity has been drastically reduced from the previous numbers.

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whats the matter scare your military contracts will run out? <hr /></blockquote> Brand loyalty. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I think maybe health care and better education will help us more in any future wars. <hr /></blockquote> I could not disagree more. Since we are talking about government funded areas, I completely disagree. I think government needs to get out of the healthcare and education business and do what they are supposed to do. Socialized medicine has never been successful and I cannot think of anything positive the government has done for education in the past 40 years.

eg8r

Deeman3
05-31-2007, 03:18 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> I hope Moore was not giving a blanket endorsement, of Communism under Castro...just commenting on the lack of health care here, for many. <font color="blue"> Me too... </font color>
As for the "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free....".....it looked good on paper.... <font color="blue"> Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to live off free medical care, free schooling that communism really has not provided, the ability to denounce the same government you could not in the same country you just escaped from...let us burn that flag we have never had to defend and never will. Let's fly the Mexican flag over Kalifornia, just once more....</font color>
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