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jjinfla
06-21-2007, 06:53 AM
Do you think people would prefer to watch the pros play 8-ball rather than 9-ball?

I personally think 9-ball is pretty boring. Not really that much thinking involved. The player is obligated to play a certain ball and pattern.

I know I enjoyed watching the pros play 8-ball in the IPT.

Besides, 8-ball really is the game played by most people in the States.

So why are the pros fighting the obvious?

Jake

Rich R.
06-21-2007, 07:16 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote jjinfla:</font><hr> Do you think people would prefer to watch the pros play 8-ball rather than 9-ball?

<font color="red">I think pool players would prefer to watch 8-ball. Non-players may prefer 9-ball, because it is easy for them to figure out which ball is the next shot.
Of course, there are some players who don't know much, other than 9-ball.
Personally, I would prefer to watch 14.1 or one-pocket. </font color>

I personally think 9-ball is pretty boring. Not really that much thinking involved. The player is obligated to play a certain ball and pattern.

<font color="red">The only interesting thing about 9-ball, is how the player moves the cue ball around the table to get position. In some cases, it requires some creativity. </font color>

I know I enjoyed watching the pros play 8-ball in the IPT.

<font color="red">I did too. I have also enjoyed watching them play 8-ball, live, at Valley Forge. Watching them play 8-ball reminds me just how bad I play. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif</font color>

Besides, 8-ball really is the game played by most people in the States.

So why are the pros fighting the obvious?

<font color="red">I don't think the pro players are fighting the obvious. I think the pro players will play any game that someone will put up prize money for. The promoters seem to like 9-ball better and, if you expect to get a tournament on ESPN, it has to have quick games, like 9-ball.
Can you imagine trying to attract an audience of non-players, with a one-pocket match? </font color> <hr /></blockquote>
<font color="red">I vaguely remember watching 14-1 on the Wide World of Sports, on ABC, many years ago. That helped me form a real interest in the game of pool. Unfortunately, the powers that be will not follow that lead today. </font color>

Deeman3
06-21-2007, 07:18 AM
Jake,

I have to agree, that eight ball is less boring than nine ball but I never bought the fact that nine ball would be that much of an appeal to the short attention spans of the younger players anyway. I think, in the end, even average to poor players could appreciate games like 14.1 or one pocket. Its not like nine ball has made pool into a spectator sport or anything. Probably women's pool is the only thing that has, at least, kept the game from obscurity over the last decade.

So yes, give 8 ball a chance, at least everyone knows the game if they ever played at all. I'm still holding out for "Strip Pool" but what the heck, they'll never listen to me! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

canadan
06-21-2007, 10:33 AM
ya if you think about it maybe over 70% of north america has played 8 ball. If you think of all the bangers out there at bars and pool halls just tryn to kill time. They all know some sort of rules for the game. but 9 ball I would have to say is only played by pool players. dont realy see any bangers that play once or twice a year playing 9 ball. I'd also have to say at the pro level a 8 ball game cant last to much longer then a 9 ball game. just no quick wins. I.E break the 9. but all in all 8 ball would be easyer to follow for the masses. also most non players dont know the ball by the colours any way so it would be harder for them to follow. thats what i think maybe thats why pool for tv has not taken off, for as long as I can remember 9 ball the only game seen here on tv in Canada (also trick shots but...) the one time i saw 8 ball on tv was a scotch trips. and it was more for fun then anything. All I have is you tube with crap quality IPT game that last only 8-10 min. before I have to get up and go find another game to watch.

Jager85
06-21-2007, 10:52 AM
I would really like to see 8-ball played alot more. 9-ball is run until you can't, then play safe. 8-ball requires alot more strategy and different safe play. I would like to study how pros run an 8-ball rack. What happens when there are clusters right after the break will they break them out, play safe instantly, or run 3 balls and then play safe? I would really like to see a more strategic game played. I don't learn much from watching 9-ball anymore. Very seldom do I not know how they are gonna play there shape.

Curtis

KellyStick
06-21-2007, 11:33 AM
I was in Holland a while back (The Hague) and I flipped on the TV when I got in the hotel to see what was available. They were playing Snooker. They showed every shot! Not like in the states where it's recorded and we miss whole games, partial games and so on. I found this fascinating as well as very humbling. Now snooker is action packed compared to one pocket. My gut feel is that there can't be a lot of non-players watching pool so not sure I can buy the boredom factor too much. So it seems to me that there must be a money angle to 9-ball. I'm thinking if the Europeans get to watch every single shot (even the safety battles, especially the safety battles!!) of snooker we should get to watch 8-ball or any other game. Don't know how to get there.

Incidently I found a Snooker Cafe nearby the hotel while I was over there. Only 12 foot snooker tables, quiet, clean. We used to have one snooker table in Baton Rouge. Now it's gone. Worse than that the place that had it has put in several of the tiniest coin op tables I have ever seen. Feels like a toy table. When I got back home after two nights of playing on 12 foot tables I went to my table. The table looked so small. The balls were HUGE! I got over it.

canadan
06-21-2007, 12:22 PM
also no commercials in holland every 15 mins

Deeman3
06-21-2007, 12:46 PM
Having lived in Europe for a quite a while, I enjoyed the snooker broadcasts very much, not just the shot by shot viewing but the intellegence of the commentators, like not having to fill every available second with catch phrases and exciting statements like, "How good did she hit it?" and "So and so is making a statement here by winning the opening rack!" and "64 players showed up and you never know who will win a match now." She's going to go two rails around, wait she must have had an angle on that one." UGH!!

We now listen at my house with the sound off, much more enlightened commentary....

scaramouche
06-21-2007, 01:26 PM
You mean you guys would spend hours and days watching a match like this if it was available?

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Deeman3
06-21-2007, 02:08 PM
Yes,

Exactly. I remember many of these matches well, about the time Hendry took over from Davis and was about unbeatable although Jimmy White should have beaten him in that first one. Thanks, nice memories....wish our commentators would watch these broadcasts...

HarryDC
06-21-2007, 02:54 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote jjinfla:</font><hr> Do you think people would prefer to watch the pros play 8-ball rather than 9-ball?

I personally think 9-ball is pretty boring. Not really that much thinking involved. The player is obligated to play a certain ball and pattern.

I know I enjoyed watching the pros play 8-ball in the IPT.

Besides, 8-ball really is the game played by most people in the States.

So why are the pros fighting the obvious?

Jake <hr /></blockquote>

Jake,

The only people in the United States who watch pool on television are people who play it. Everyone else could care less. Doesn’t make any difference what game you play. I do like 8-Ball as 9-Ball is a brain dead game.

The prize money is so miniscule in pool as to be an embarrassment to the players and industry when they try to negotiate with fortune 500 companies. The Fortune 500 companies just laugh at pool and say no thank you. No one is going to negotiate with a bunch of league oriented Neanderthals who have a game no one watches.

Just what we need a ton of snooker Spam in a thread which topic is “what pool game to watch” Could you find a snooker championship any older? 17 years old is enough to evoke my “yawn” LOL

jjinfla
06-21-2007, 08:18 PM
I watched the first one - ten minutes and nobody made a ball. I guess snooker players just don't know how to pot balls.

Ha Ha

Quite a few 147's on youtube. They make it look easy.

Sid_Vicious
06-21-2007, 08:35 PM
Simple, and one main reason I like playing 9-ball...it is quick to the next game, and yet not like 7-ball where it's more or less a gimme with talent for two innings tops. 8 takes up too much attention span, AND tv time, hence, 9's the game. I'll tell ya though, if it was me, I'd prefer seeing 15 ball rack played in suit-rotation if given a choice for a spectator sport. The next ball aspect is there, safeties there, and ball movement for position. jm2c...sid

mantis
06-22-2007, 08:19 PM
I do not like watching 8 ball nearly as much as 9 ball. 9 ball requires a higher level of skill, and better position play. I believe it showcases the players talents of ball making and cue ball control much better than 8 ball.

jjinfla
06-22-2007, 08:52 PM
I do like the 9-ball point system that the APA uses. I think it would be interesting to watch the pros play using that point system without a handicap where the first one to reach 100 wins. It might even add some excitement to the match.

Jake

Puck
06-23-2007, 12:35 PM
Mantis, I'm not sure how competitively you play 8-ball...but it can certainly be a very challenging game that requires a different skill set than 9-ball.

9-ball is challenging in that you have to pocket the balls in rotation, but in 8-ball you have to maneuver around your opponents balls. 9-ball gets easier as you run the rack, but 8-ball can actually get more difficult if there are a lot of clusters...or if you need to play a safe when your opponent still has many balls on the table. When played at a high skilled level, 8-ball becomes a "movers" game that requires caroms and good manipulation of both yours and your opponents balls. It's part of what made the IPT entertaining to watch.

Jake, I also like the APA version of 9-ball since it's a little more like traditional rotation pool. It's similar to a high scoring basketball game where a hot scorer can run a way with the game...or you can have nail-biter finishes. APA 8-ball scores a little more like hockey where you might need to put in a tremendous effort just to get one win. I try to have at least one 8-ball team and one 9-ball team each session.

As far as watching the pros play that APA format, I think I'd rather watch the pros play a 14.1 race to 150. Either way you still have the same problem for TV, that the match would just take too long. They would have to be edited down to 60 minutes.

Hopefully we'll start seeing 8-ball or something different on TV. Anything else to show that there are different skill sets in pocket billiards. :-)

mantis
06-24-2007, 08:51 PM
Puck, I am not saying that 8 ball does not have its own challenges. I just think that 9 ball shows off the skill set of great players better. I can miss position on a ball in 8 ball, and still have other shots to make. Not generally so in 9 ball. They are different games with their own merit, I just like watching 9 ball better. I also think the general public finds it more amazing to watch, as the average casual banger has little chance to run even a few balls in 9 ball, while they may put together 4 or 5 in 8 ball with the right setup.

Deeman3
06-25-2007, 07:52 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Puck:</font><hr> As far as watching the pros play that APA format, I think I'd rather watch the pros play a 14.1 race to 150.<hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif Puck, you da man! Sadly. it will never happen as you point out. </font color>

MrLucky
06-25-2007, 08:52 AM
<font color="green"> Yes a good player can miss position on one shot in 8 ball and possibly have another available but will in that situation you be able to get out? I think most of the time the answer will be no! My point is that in 8 ball the table read is much more complex due to the numbers of balls and the more likely hood of clusters! </font color> <font color="red"> also the game is continually changing if you do not run out since your opponent is changing the table layout!! </font color> /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Cydpkt
06-25-2007, 11:35 AM
I'd like to see 8 ball with rotation. You have to shoot your solids or strips in order.