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Qtec
07-14-2007, 10:21 PM
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How’s this for “supporting the troops” and respecting their families?

Seattle Times:

The White House has refused to give Congress documents about the death of former NFL player Pat Tillman, with White House counsel Fred Fielding saying that certain papers relating to discussion of the friendly-fire shooting “implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests.”

Reps. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., and Tom Davis R-Va., the leading members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, objected to the refusal Friday in letters to the White House and the Defense Department.

White House and Pentagon officials have turned over about 10,000 pages of material, but Waxman and Davis said those papers lack critical documents that would show communications between senior administration officials and top military officers shortly after Tillman was killed in Afghanistan in 2004. <hr /></blockquote>

This really shows the depth to which the WH has sunk.
They have no shame.
This action is almost a blatant admission of guilt. They manipulated his funeral, decieved his family and presented Tillman in a light that suited THEM for their own purpose.
Absolutely total disrespect for a fallen soldier- one of their own.

Q

nAz
07-15-2007, 11:06 PM
Q why do you hate the United states so much?

Gayle in MD
07-16-2007, 08:45 AM
Here's a question for you Q.

After Republicans made such complete fools of themselves, taking such extreme measures with their right wing illegal impeachment proceedings against Clinton, which ultimately highlighted their own extramarital affairs, financing of personally convenient abortions, Prostitutes, inteernet sexual preditors, and massive corruption through bribes, do you think the people who contintue to support Bush, and the Republicans, do so strictly for their measley tax purposes, or just because they hate what they believe is liberalism?

It is incomprehensable to me, that there are still roughly 30 % in this country, who still do not see through this bunch of crooks in the White House. Defending things such as the subject of your post, outing a CIA, covert agent, being in bed with the oil cartel, the Arabs, using fear to control public opinion, going constantly around the laws of this country, using torture, continuously using propaganda to distort reality, how can people continue to defend an administration, which goes so completely against our Constitution, breaking our laws, and destroying American values.

Our international respect has been destroyed. Our soldiers, have been abused, our privacy invaded, and checks and balances, removed, systematically, by Bush, and his Republican defenders, as they have run up masive debt, and increased the number of terrorist franchizes around the world.

I don't understand how we can have 30 % who still support Bush, and refuse to acknowledge such outrageous anti-American law breaking.

John Dean calls it an authoritarian mentality. That might be part of it, since organized religion is involved in their numbers, but it's hard for me to understand how they don't see the connection to fascist threats, which I believe, are a real and present danger to our country. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
07-16-2007, 11:21 AM
not to mention that our own Border Patrol agents are out manned and out gunned by para-military gangs, escorting illegal immigrants into this country...."guest workers".
It seems that everything, everything that is said or done, by this admin, is highly classified.....and in the unlikely (sic) event that criminal activity took place...we have the Pardon in place.
Doesn't this secrecy remind anyone of some ruling elite society, and not a democracy?
On another note....since Bush/Cheney are immune to subpoenas, and now advise anybody connected with them to also ignore them....why didn't Bill Clinton tell Congress to just shove it where the sun don't shine?
Maybe because we were still under the covenants of the Constitution back then...back before it became a "piece of paper"
I have to agree with the authoritarian mentality...it explains why every new exposure/scandal/ is ignored. It also explains how easily the reason and justification for this war, went from...Saddam and 9/11...Saddam and WMDs, to Iraq being the seat of power for Al Qaeda.....
Fire has long been thought of as a purifying agent....I say we compile a list and burn them all at the stake....

Qtec
07-16-2007, 09:35 PM
LOL
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Here's a question for you Q.

After Republicans made such complete fools of themselves, taking such extreme measures with their right wing illegal impeachment proceedings against Clinton, which ultimately highlighted their own extramarital affairs, financing of personally convenient abortions, Prostitutes, inteernet sexual preditors, and massive corruption through bribes, do you think the people who contintue to support Bush, and the Republicans, do so strictly for their measley tax purposes, or just because they hate what they believe is liberalism? <hr /></blockquote>

IMO, GW and this Govt have divided the people of the US. They have polarised the nation- not because of the issues but because of their lack of ethics and morals!
Americans who are against this war have been called unpatriotic.
If you want the war to end because its going nowhere then you are deemed not to be supporting the troops.
Govt secrecy is mow more important than Congress carrying out its Con duties as oversight of the Executive.

This Govt is confrontational. They don't consult, they dictate and if you don't agree with them then YOU are the ENEMY.

Its as simple as that.

There are still some people who contend that the lack of WMDs found in Iraq shows that they were removed before the weapons inspectors came in!

The real truth is [ lol] that the right now realise they WERE wrong but they just can't bring themselves to admit that they got conned.

Q

Qtec
07-16-2007, 09:51 PM
Notice the distinct lack of response to this thread, they know its wrong but won't say so. They can't reply to anything that puts this Govt in a bad light without saying, "but Clinton............ëtc
Q

wolfdancer
07-17-2007, 12:43 AM
you have to wonder why the Tillman documents are top secret?
"Friendly fire" deaths are an unfortunate by-product of war...and it wasn't political until GWB jumped on Tillman's enlistment, and ultimate sacrifice to bolster support for both the war and himself....
Withholding the relevant documents is either paranoia ...or they prove that the WH was trying to hide the real story...

eg8r
07-17-2007, 05:53 AM
Don't for a second assume silence to mean agreement with you.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-17-2007, 06:14 AM
Hiding the truth is their only consistant policy, regardless of the issue.

The quoted information below is from one of those Impeach Bush and cheney mass e-mails which I seem to recieve more and more of lately...some of the Arab news sources I follow have taken note of it. I haven't found anything in our papers. Do either of you have any information on this? I've been at the Ocean, and a bit out of the loop.

And BTW, Did either/any of you see last sunday's Face The Nation, or Meet The Press?

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July 16, Iraqis took to the streets of Basra, Iraq, in opposition to the Oil Law that the US government is pressuring the Iraqi Parliament to pass. Led by the Iraqi Federation of Oil Unions (IFOU), this demonstration charged that the proposed Oil Law surrenders Iraq’s economic sovereignty to multinational oil companies and demanded that the Iraqi Parliament reject it.

The people of Iraq are united in opposition to the Oil Law, but the Iraqi Parliament continues to face intense pressure from the Bush Administration. The law would open two thirds of Iraq’s oil to foreign control through contracts that could last as long as 30 years. Originally written with the assistance of US officials and contractors, the law is also one the benchmarks imposed by the US that the Iraqis must meet in order to receive continued reconstruction aid.

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Have either/any of you ever looked into which corporate entities have been the most generous contributors to the American Enterprise Institute over the years?

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
07-17-2007, 06:37 AM
So does that mean that you agree that the White House is justified in hiding their involvment in covering up the truth about Tillman?

Eg, it's time for you to admit that Q has been right about everything he's written about this immoral bunch of liars in the White House, and the Republican demons who've been enabling them all along. It's time to face some facts, instead of being critical of the truth and those who have written the truth all along. Insults, Clinton rhetoric, and denial, are no longer defensible when it comes to Bush and your party. Our troops will be dying for Iraqi freedom, while their parliament is on vacation in August! And the White House's response, (Tony Snowjob, last week) is that it's 130 degrees in Baghdad in August! He defended the Iraqi Parliament! Good God, how can any American not be outraged over this?

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
07-17-2007, 06:38 AM
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Gayle in MD
07-17-2007, 06:50 AM
And it started with the likes of Newt Gingrich, Rupert Murdoch, and the American Enterprise Institute idiots like William Kristol, of the Weekly Standard. The right wing press has played a huge role in the assault against America.
I doubt the Republicans could have pulled it off without them. Coulter, for example, is one of those who still insist that we DID find WMD's and that there WAS connection
between Saddam H and alQ.

Also, all those who testified in the AG firings, insisted that Bush was out of the loop, but he still tries to claim executive priviledge to block their testimony.

Impeachment is the only way that our country could make the correct statement to the world, preserve our Constitution, and prevent more death and destruction, IMO. The numbwer of impeachable offenses are astounding. I think Democrats are making a huge mistake to take it off the table, but there's still a chance for it, if the public outcry is loud enough, and long enough, and it would have already happened had the draft been in existence, IMO.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
07-17-2007, 07:08 AM
How's this for covering up...?

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DickLeonard
07-17-2007, 07:11 AM
Wolfdancer this thought came into my mind. Do you think it possible that the White House and Blair House sat on the report that Osama was going to attack. To further there plans to attack Iraq. I thought this impossible but the more I see this Nefarious bunch I think it all probable.

Never has our Constitution been bent to the breaking point to further some crazy man's plot. Was Hitler crazy?. Yes. Is George Bush Crazy? Or are we Crazy to put up with this Garbage.

What really offends me is that people are saying there is nosense Impeaching Him and Cheney time is on there side. If we don't Impeach all his underhanded offenses will go unnoticed or proscuted.

The only way the United States will be able to hold it's head high in this World is to expose all the corruption for the World to see that Our Constitution works. If it doesn't work let's get the Hell out of Iraq. Democracy is just a smoke screen for the Powerful. ####

eg8r
07-17-2007, 07:37 AM
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So does that mean that you agree that the White House is justified in hiding their involvment in covering up the truth about Tillman?
<hr /></blockquote> No, like anyone else here my words mean exactly what they say, silence does not mean agreement.

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Eg, it's time for you to admit that Q has been right <hr /></blockquote> Because you say so? Ha. I don't remember him being right about much of anything.

eg8r

eg8r
07-17-2007, 07:39 AM
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Wolfdancer this thought came into my mind. <hr /></blockquote> Now that was funny. They told us you were a pool player not a comedian.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-17-2007, 07:41 AM
Bravo!!!

Dick, check out my new post on impeachment from Bill Moyers Journal. Two impeachment experts weigh in on this issue, and its necessity. I agree completely, that the most important first step in solving all our problems in the Middle East is to impeach both Cheney, and Bush. It is essential for our national security, and for the future of this country. We are already in great danger, and failing to act immediately, will possibly bring about our demise.

WE should all be maning the phones, calling representatives, and demanding the removal of these lying law breakers, which have put this country at such greater risk with their idiotic escapades in the Middle East.
202-224-3121 is the number of the Congressional Switchboard. Ask for your Representative.
Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
07-17-2007, 07:44 AM
You really are repulsive. Should be no surprise you're a Republican. /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif

eg8r
07-17-2007, 11:54 AM
I find it confusing that out of the same mouth which you call me repulsive spews your hatred and vulgarity. Once again though, I am not interested in opinion about myself. If I had an interest in what you thought of me, I would ask. Surely you know by now that I am direct enough to do that.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-17-2007, 02:31 PM
I'm sure everything confuses you. Your nasty comments to Dick Leonard are rude and impertinent. In fact, you are incapable of anything above disgusting bahavior. As for being direct, your only ability for directness, is more rude, impertinent statements to and about the kind of people who stand head and shoulders above someone like you. /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif

DickLeonard
07-18-2007, 07:29 AM
Gayle that was easy, I, got thru on the first ring. Now if I could wake up Bob Dylan.

Just a little more humor for Eg8r.####

Qtec
07-19-2007, 03:35 AM
Which part of my post do you disagree with?
What do you think is so secret about Tillman's death?


Q..........although the headline. "GW's recruitment poster boy gets shot in the back by his own troops", could be awkward. [ Better just to try and cover it up and lie to his parents.]

eg8r
07-19-2007, 07:31 AM
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Which part of my post do you disagree with? <hr /></blockquote> For the most part, what I disagree with is your approach. You come across as the all-knowing, "care for the troops",con man. When you begin a post with "How’s this for “supporting the troops” and respecting their families" it is clear that you are not interested in hearing anything that contradicts your opinion.

You act like the White House is out to screw everyone and you don't care about their reasoning. Just because you don't agree with some actions does not mean they are purposefully "screwing" anyone.

You don't fully understand (you egotistically think you do) why they are doing these things so you are just believing and perpetuating conjecture. By doing this day in and day it out makes irrelevant and it is easier to just ignore you (read not reply) than the fuel your fire. Once again, silence does not mean agreement.

eg8r

DickLeonard
07-19-2007, 09:05 AM
Eg8r I really don't believe Qtec gives one flying F&amp;%k about our troops as long as were not invading the Netherlands in search of weapons of mass destructions. Other countries view us as a baby Germany under Hitler.

After WW11 we started the Geneva Convention to protect our prisoners of War when we fought on Foreign Lands. If we never left America why would we need the Geneva Convention.

Now America is breaking away from every treaty that we ratified. In other Words the United States Honor is in the Toilet. Europe suffered under Hitler and we are starting to taste an awful lot like Nazi Germany.

I expect nothing from Qtec but what realists believe. He can call a Spade a Spade. His brain isn't sugar coated with a 28% tax cut.####

eg8r
07-19-2007, 09:19 AM
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Eg8r I really don't believe Qtec gives one flying F&amp;%k about our troops <hr /></blockquote> Great. You are not the only one to notice this and it is just another reason why he is a non-issue when discussing our politics.

eg8r

Qtec
07-19-2007, 09:32 AM
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For the most part, what I disagree with is your approach. <hr /></blockquote>

Not the FACTS?

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it is clear that you are not interested in hearing anything that contradicts your opinion. <hr /></blockquote>
Do you have any information that would contradict my opinion? Why don't you reply to the content of the post, instead of attacking me?

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You act like the White House is out to screw everyone <font color="blue"> Aren't they? Haven't they 'screwed Tillman and his family? </font color> and you don't care about their reasoning. Just because you don't agree with some actions does not mean they are purposefully "screwing" anyone. <hr /></blockquote>

I KNOW why they did it- I thought I was clear on that point.

Do you deny the fact that at Tillman's funeral his family and everyone else was lied to as to the circumstances of his death?
They turned an honourable death into a PR stunt.
They should be spat apon.
If you say you support the troops, you should condem the Govt for what they are doing to them. What used to be a volunteer army is now made up of soldiers who are in Iraq under protest. Leave has been cancelled and tours have been extended. The only ones making the sacrifice are the GIs and the Iraqi people.

Q............[ a 9/11 EVERY month in Iraq- eg 3/4000 Iraqis die every month due to the conflict]


Q..............If they won't release the docs, what do they have to hide [ again].

eg8r
07-19-2007, 09:50 AM
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Not the FACTS? <hr /></blockquote> You don't have facts. Just because you say it is a fact does not make it so. You come with conjecture.

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Do you have any information that would contradict my opinion? <hr /></blockquote> I don't care about your opinion. You are a nobody residing outside the US whose opinion means nothing more than the paper it was wiped up with.

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Why don't you reply to the content of the post, instead of attacking me?
<hr /></blockquote> Because I don't care about your content, I am only reading the words you posted that came from your own brain. Your history is proof that your content is only inclusive of articles and editorials written by people with your agenda. Your content is always biased so why waste the time reading more regurgitated poop?

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I KNOW why they did it- I thought I was clear on that point. <hr /></blockquote> You don't KNOW anything. You only have an opinion. Based on what is available for you to read and what you provide us there is no way you can KNOW anything other than conjecture that you have taken as truth.

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They should be spat apon.
<hr /></blockquote> I don't know what "apon" is but spitting is childish.

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If you say you support the troops, you should condem the Govt for what they are doing to them. <hr /></blockquote> Again, your opinion is not worth the paper it was wiped up with.

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What used to be a volunteer army is now made up of soldiers who are in Iraq under protest. <hr /></blockquote> Your statement does not make any sense...it is still a volunteer army.

eg8r

Qtec
07-19-2007, 10:33 AM
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Do you have any information that would contradict my opinion? Why don't you reply to the content of the post, instead of attacking me? <hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for once again proving my point. You RANT on about me but ignore the post - just as you always do.

I support justice for Tillman and his family, how about you? I think if the guy was PATRIOTIC enough to serve and DIE his country then he should be respected for that, do you agree?

Q [How many times will this Govt block an investigation into its practices? Personally I have lost count.]

eg8r
07-19-2007, 03:54 PM
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Thank you for once again proving my point. You RANT on about me but ignore the post - just as you always do. <hr /></blockquote> You have no point you are only acting foolish. I thought it was already clear from my post that I was ignoring your post. Quit the dumb act. I already stated I was ignoring you. Only a fool would try to "prove a point" after everything was already explained in black and white.

Don't you remember the reason I started posting in this thread...Let me remind you so that you don't hurt your head trying to remember. <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Q:</font><hr> Notice the distinct lack of response to this thread, they know its wrong but won't say so. <blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> Don't for a second assume silence to mean agreement with you. <hr /></blockquote> <hr /></blockquote> Now so you don't twist that around even though it was given to you in plain english...You were trying to make it sound like we agreed with you because we were IGNORING your post. You were being ignored from the onset of this thread and now you are trying to tell me that I was ignoring your post and I proved your point. HELLO Q WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, NO KIDDING I WAS IGNORING YOUR POST I WAS NOT EVEN REPLYING TO IT UNTIL YOU MISREPRESENTED IT.

If you are reading this and find it redundant, that is done by design. I am hoping some of this will trickle through your thick head.

eg8r

Dagwood
07-19-2007, 06:42 PM
Just for the record, I happen to agree for once with Q on this issue. What the WH is doing is utter rubbish. And as far as the troops go...I would say that easily 75% of the people I've served with are totally against what is happening in Iraq, and the WH's policy in that arena. Unfortunately we aren't in a position to do anything but give a good "yessir" when they give the order to forward march. I can't wait until this administration is out of office before they do something that would totally destroy our country beyond repair, if it isn't already there. (i.e. invade Iran, or something of the like) I really do wish that they would start impeachment proceedings, but even if they don't, getting rid of this sorry bunch of power hungry politicians in office will suit me just fine.

Dags

Gayle in MD
07-19-2007, 11:01 PM
Bravo, my friend. I talk with the troops all the time. May I say, they can't stand Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Franks, and think this misadventure in Iraq, is a total waste.

This is the most decietful, lying bunch of crooks our country has ever seen. What they did to Tillman's family, was a complete disgrace. What they've done to our country, is treason, plain and simple.

I hope they get what they deserve for all the lies they've told, and the people they've hurt.

Ed would defend them if they were hanging children under the White House Portico. It could be televised live, the entire country could be watching, and Ed would be telling all of us that we don't know what we're talking about, and doing so with his usual insulting smug, pompus arrogant attitude.

Like I said, roughly 28 to 30 percent of the people in this country are delusional at best, nuts at worst, and mealy mouthed partisan jerks, who don't give a damn about our troops, and are beholden to one thing only, their measly tax cut, and the corrupt Republicans who give it to them while they're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Too bad so many others must pay for the poor judgement of the nutty right, who contributed to this mess with their votes, and must now deny reality to save face. It's absolutely disgusting, especially when our troops are paying such a devastating price. Had I voted for George Bush, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
07-20-2007, 05:50 AM
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hanging children <hr /></blockquote> You really are sick and demented.

eg8r &lt;~~hopefully that was smug enough for jGayle's trashy mind

Gayle in MD
07-20-2007, 08:57 AM
LMAO!!!! Coming from you, that's a real joke. You've maintained complete denial about these crooks, and what they're doing to our troops, for no possible reasonable benefit to America.

Sick and demented means voting a liar and crook back into the White House after he stood by and allowed us to be attacked, so that the sick Neocons could have their excuse to rob all of us in Iraq, and protect bin Laden's family and the Saudis, the Bush families business partners.

Sick and demented is when people deny proven facts in order to avoid taking responsibility for their part in the ultimately worst foreign policy disaster in history, while they take their blood money in the form of a measly tax cut, and look the other way.

Sick and demented is thinking that you have the right to dictate the actions of other adults, according to your personal religious beliefs.

Sick and demented is refusing to admit that Valarie Plame was a covert NOC CIA Secret Agent, in spite of the fact that is has been proven over and over, just because you're too small to admit that you were wrong.

Sick and demented is taking up for the President, while dead bodies are floating in New Orleans, and blaming everyone but the top man in the country.

Sick and demented, is being critical of all those who are trying to break out of poverty, or need emergency help from our government after a disaster, while all the while banking on a hand out to get your own kids through college.

Sick and demented is not giving a damn about the POTUS, poisoning our air and water to give his corporate fascist friends a bye on the environment.

Sick and demented is voting for an unconvicted felon, twice, whose family made their fortune doing business with Hitler.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
07-20-2007, 11:12 AM
I stand by my comment.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-02-2007, 09:10 PM
That's because you're sick and demented. /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Drop1
08-02-2007, 09:59 PM
What is it about the war in Iraq you are most proud of,in your opinion why are we there? What was GWB's greatest moment as President?

eg8r
08-03-2007, 07:31 PM
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why are we there? <hr /></blockquote> Chatting with you is about as intelligent as talking to a brick wall. If you have to be continually told why we are in Iraq then it is probably because you have no interest in knowing.

eg8r

wolfdancer
08-04-2007, 01:42 AM
It's often overlooked, but I thought GWB's finest moment was during the 9/11 attack. It ranked up there with the greats.
FDR..assuring the nation "we have nothing to fear, but fear itself"
Winston Churchill rallying his country "Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour..."
George calmed us not so much with words, but with actions, or maybe non-action, depending on one's viewpoint and party affiliation.
He let the enemy know, that nothing they could do would disrupt his photo-shoot..and calmly, reassuringly, continued reading to the little monsters. Some people found the blank look on his face troubling,and thought he looked lost and confused....but now we know that he was already formulating his master plan to deal with these Iraqi terrorists...
It's a page out of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War"
"the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose."
And we know our George can calculate with the best of them
"It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on."
The key word there being profitable....that Sun Tsu was a smart feller...probably a Republican.....

DickLeonard
08-05-2007, 06:54 AM
Gayle nice to see your back I thought your posts were gone forever.

I hate to be a Republican nit picker but shouldn't your last entry have read for Hitler instead of with Hitler.Rip Van Winkle####

Drop1
08-05-2007, 10:37 AM
You talk to brick walls a lot? Thats one step away from rubbber. Thanks for your insightful answer.

Gayle in MD
08-06-2007, 06:46 AM
In response to

Poster: eg8r
Subject: Re: WH claims Ex Privilege on Tillman Docs


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Which part of my post do you disagree with?
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For the most part, what I disagree with is your approach. <font color="red">LMAO, yeah, your own approach is consistantly insulting, void of facts, or any form of debate. Q's statement, "How's this for supporting the Troops?" is accurate. Bush and the Republicans got caught yet again lying to the American People. Although their lies go completely un-noticed by the nutty right, and particularly by the religious nutty right, the rest of us take note, since we aren't bought off by other Republican lies, Like smaller government, reduced spending, honor in the White House, an end to government corruption, accountability, no nationa building, none of which were delivered by Bush, and the Republicans. They were so successful in BSing you righties, and distracting you from their true intentions, you're all still twirling around in denial, which is all you have left, other than your vast misconceptions, and love of dictatorship, also dispelled by statistics, such as a thimble full of cells being as important as a woman's health, and religious fanatics having a right to dictate to all women what they can and can't do with their own bodies, and like abstinence being a logical educational program to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies. We have the facts, which prove that those poor brain washed little teen girls are indulging in oral and anal sex instead of vaginal sex, huge improvment, I'm sure! </font color> You come across as the all-knowing, "care for the troops",con man. <font color="red">Quite the opposite, Egrivator, it's the Republicans who are the con men when it comes to supporting our troops. Everyone of the Republican candidates, including your beloved idiot president, support our troops dying in Iraq, supposedly to create a peaceful arena for the Iraqis to reach some political agreement, and progress with the Benchmarks which they themselves listed, only they're not even there. Guess you haven't heard, they're on vacation, while our people are carrying around seventy to eighty pounds in 115 degree heat, to provide the parliament some "Breathing space".... Bush yaps about supporting the troops, when no other American President has ever abused our troops the way he has, a fact readily available for study in the Army Times, and from every General George Bush has axed for speaking out against his abuse of our army and reserves. </font color> When you begin a post with "How’s this for “supporting the troops” and respecting their families" it is clear that you are not interested in hearing anything that contradicts your opinion. <font color="red">When you make statements like that it is clear that the truth is your enemy, but then, you accuse everyone else of cherry picking according to their opinions, while at the same time you continuously deny facts proven, and accepted by the rest of the world. But you just go right ahead insulting everyone on here who writes logical, truthful statements, Egrivator, it fits your illusional, delusional personality, and is certainly the harmonious with the immediate, automatic response from every single Republican responsible for the complete mess created by you bomb happy neocons who got us into the mess in Iraq, for no good reason, on lies, and to the detriment of our country, and Iraq. Six hundred more dead troops, since the "Surge" which the rest of us knows is a vast escalation, for the purpose of rescueing the Bush ego, and the secret oil deals, while the Sunnis have dropped out of the government, Bush is out there selling more arms to more back stabbing arabs in the M.E., there is talk of sending another thirty thousand more troops, 70% of Iraqis want us to get the hell out, 70% of Americans say we're on the wrong track, and Bush has mishandled the war, but we're all just cherry picking to suit our pre-conceived opinions, and you and the other ill informed Bush lovers on here were right all along about everything. LMAO. </font color>

You act like the White House is out to screw everyone <font color="red">Act like? Hey, you act like the White House didn't screw everyone, the majority of Americans know that's not the case. Fact is, they did screw everyone, and especially the nutty 28%, and you just can't admit it. </font color> and you don't care about their reasoning. <font color="red">LMAO, now this is funny. Their reasons for screwing over everyone justify their acrewing over everyone? LOL.... </font color> Just because you don't agree with some actions does not mean they are purposefully "screwing" anyone. <font color="red">Awe, they just made a lot of mistakes, we know. They don't do it on purpose. They can't help being lying crooks, with lousy judgement. It's beyond their control. </font color>

You don't fully understand (you egotistically think you do) why they are doing these things so you are just believing and perpetuating conjecture. <font color="red">It isn't conjecture that they lied us into this war. It isn't conjecture that they tortured people. It isn't conjecture that they F. up in Iraq. It isn't conjecture that they've run up more borrowed debt than all the previous presidents put together. It isn't conjecture that they lied about Tillman, for propaganda purposes. It isn't conjecture that the Iraqi Parliament is on vacation, while our people are dying, for NOTHING, in Baghdad. It isn't conjecture that Kristol, Wolfowitz, Feith, Cheney, Rice Bush Rumsfeld were all wrong, lied from the start, and are still lying to this day. </font color> By doing this day in and day it out makes irrelevant and it is easier to just ignore you (read not reply) than the fuel your fire. <font color="red">Quite a sentence. Where is the post police when we need them? </font color> Once again, silence does not mean agreement. <font color="red">Carnack the Great, with yet another rhetorical nugget of nonsense. Flipping the truth is truly a Republican expertise, never before so perfectly accomplished on such a massive scale, until the birht of the neocon movement. Congratulations! You get the boobie prize for being the most simultaneously ineffective, and nationally damaging political party in the history of American Politics. Never before has one party, accomplished so many screw ups, while perfecting only excuses, deciet and denial along the way. We need more double talk! More Boms and arms spread around the Middle East! More illegal, mishandled occupations! More Terrorists, and enemies! Vote Republican!

Gayle in Md.</font color>

eg8r

wolfdancer
08-06-2007, 11:36 AM
Gayle, I think that we are both wrong here.We have taken improper liberties in addressing "Ed" by his first name. This form of greeting is usually reserved for family and friends.
I believe I am 100% Irish, but who knows for sure that an ancestor didn't cross any ethnic or racial lines in the distant past...one thing for sure though...we never inter-bred with no Republicans...
Friends?....I've heard about people that have rattlesnakes for pets....but as soon as they trust them, they get bit.
So after ruling out the friends and family thing...I decided we should use the more formal "Mr.Ed"
Now, as you know there was an old TV show by that name....but to avoid any confusion, just remember that the original Mr.Ed was a whole horse.....
http://www.timvp.com/mred2.jpg

Gayle in MD
08-06-2007, 01:57 PM
LOL, true! /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DickLeonard
08-06-2007, 02:00 PM
Wolfdancer are you implying that Ed might belong to the Jackass family? I am getting senile in my old age.####

wolfdancer
08-06-2007, 03:17 PM
Dick, I wouldn't do that....I'm trying to work out an agreement with Ed...I'll promise not to read any of his posts, and then point out the obvious mistakes, false assumptions, grand illusions,etc...if he'll just apologize to Gayle, and agree to vote for Hillary!!!
I've also asked him to abstain from his usual banal comments on my posts....

Gayle in MD
08-07-2007, 03:56 AM
Don't be offended, friend. It's just his standard, non intelligent way of insinuating that you're not intelligent, as he opts for insulting people, in preference of any reasonable discussion.

IOW, he can't defend his position, or his party, intelligently, so he just insults everyone who speaks the truth, or asks pertinent questions.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
08-07-2007, 03:59 AM
Hi Sweetie,
Hey, I could never leave for good. I'd miss all my friends too much. I couldn't deal with this administration without the straight thinkers here.

You're right, shoulda said for Hitler! Keep me straight, friend.

Love,
Gayle

eg8r
08-07-2007, 10:50 AM
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LMAO, yeah, your own approach is consistantly insulting, void of facts, or any form of debate. <hr /></blockquote> Unlike you, I was quite able to completely comprehend Q's question. Since your elementary ability is failing you, let me help you out, Q asked me what (of his post) I did not agree with. I answered him. He in no way asked me what your preception of my posts were. Class dismissed, again you failed.

eg8r &lt;~~~never meant anyone that so closely resembled a little barking chihuahua than Gayle

eg8r
08-07-2007, 10:54 AM
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Gayle, I think that we are both wrong here.We have taken improper liberties in addressing "Ed" by his first name. <hr /></blockquote> You are right, since you don't act like an adult in any of your posts, why address someone by their name like an adult. You don't act like an adult so no one expects you too.

I also noticed you have gone back on your word to no long refer or think about me. LOL, just another example.

eg8r

eg8r
08-07-2007, 10:59 AM
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Gayle nice to see your back I thought your posts were gone forever. <hr /></blockquote> What would make you believe that? Gayle never leaves for good, she will just lurk a while and then come back when her energy is renewed. Mind you, you will never hear anything new or original so just go ahead and watch the news shows on Sunday morning and you will get everything you will ever read from Gayle.

eg8r

eg8r
08-07-2007, 11:02 AM
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IOW, he can't defend his position, or his party, intelligently, so he just insults everyone who speaks the truth, or asks pertinent questions. <hr /></blockquote> I don't need to defend anyone which is why I don't do it. Why post something and wait for you guys to twist it around?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-08-2007, 12:15 PM
FYI, I've been cruising on my yacht, not lurking. I never miss the Sunday morning shows, other than Faux News, of course. If you watched them yourself, once in a while, you'd understand why you expose your own ignorance so consistantly. Like for example, the fact that Bush vetoed the bill that had the additional funds for our troops. It was a Democratic effort to suspend his on-going abuse of American Troops, against the will of Americans, and Iraqis.

BTW, have you EVER read a book, other than the bible, I mean?

Your statements, as usual, is false. I have paraphrased many of the book I have read on this forum. Come to think of it, I've never once heard you reference any book. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

eg8r
08-08-2007, 12:31 PM
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FYI, I've been cruising on my yacht <hr /></blockquote> Facist. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I never miss the Sunday morning shows, other than Faux News, of course. If you watched them yourself, once in a while, you'd understand why you expose your own ignorance so consistantly. <hr /></blockquote> There is not enough room on this board for another person to watch your biased shows and regurgitate it here and pawn that off as research.

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BTW, have you EVER read a book, other than the bible, I mean?
<hr /></blockquote> Sure, I just finished another Ludlum book. I figure if you are going to be reading all these stories, I might as well pick a good story myself.

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Your statements, as usual, is false. <hr /></blockquote> Because you say so.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-08-2007, 12:48 PM
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Because I don't lurk on this sight, or use my computer at all, when I'm traveling.

You're a waste of time, Eg. Things would be better here all around if you could get hold of your addiction to me. Maybe I could provide you with some cash for therapy, just think of it as a schalorship for Da Da, or you could take up some healthy new hobby, like running...or weight lifting. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Deeman3
08-08-2007, 03:27 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> FYI, I've been cruising on my yacht, not lurking. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> Gayle,

The recent decline in the market has saved me from having to purchase a boat (I'd rather not call anything I would buy a yacht). DeeWoman, who may be lurking as we speak had a close Michigan relative get a large watercraft recently and, despite the fact males are supposed to be the ones who measure everything, her only requirements for this new trophy was that is be a few meters longer than the aforementioned relative and a walk in closet, of course. Now, a wife can wear you down over time and I've been hearing about how, an hour from the Florida coast, we simply could not survive the year without a longish boat!

My memory of making a similar "investment" in one of those 50 foot plus rolling motorhomes that suck gas out of service stations as you pass, with a former but equaly needy past wife, and it making exactly three trips in my three years of ownership made me leary of this great buy. I think I paid about $900 for each mile on the former "Rolling Stones" type tour bus and I was weakening when, an act of God made the market tank and I stood my ground. My argument was, of course, we had to be ready by the time the wealth is redistributed in 2008 and, a boat, during these perilous times, would not set well with that plan nor my team at work as we plead poor sales and a stale market.

My safety net is that she never visits the non-pool related side. But, in the odd case that we ever meet and you mention you have a yacht, please tell her it's a 10 foot aluminum john boat with a redneck outboard and I'll never tell her there were no weapons in Iraq, O.K.? /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

As for the news, I have abandoned Fox myself as they have swung much too far to the left and I always thought Hannity was a jerk anyway. I do like O'reilly but when he started covering Paris Hilton and the trailer park girl, Spears, I even gave up on him. I watch other broadcast networks but know it is not news anymore. The funny papers are more serious and more informative.

I now get all my hard news by talking to people at the gas station and pool halls. In homage to my friends here, I never visit a Walmart. I am frightened of the peope who shop there. Sane people can't dress that way! If you buy your groceries there, you must be consuming things shipped in the hold of a ship for months made by people who have not seen running water. Remember, I've lived in China.

The older and more feeble I get, the more liberal I become. You guys must have placed a pod somewhere near me as I slept. I am getting an uncontrolled urge to have dialog with people who want nothing more than to see me dead (aside from my relatives). I understand John from Cincinatti and have visions of hosting The View! It may be the pod or I may have postrate issues, I don't know.

Send me drugs.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Gayle in MD
08-08-2007, 04:17 PM
LMAO...too funny! The only time I call my boat a yacht, is when I'm writing to the Egrivator, lol.

Funny thing is we're looking for a small little run about now, because it takes so long to wash our boat down when we go out in the Ocean, and the sand shifts so much in the bay areas in Ocean City, lots of boaters bend their props when they take their boats in the bays.

Our slip in Ocean City, is the best part of the time we spend there. We have no boats behind us, and a beautiful view of a natural marsh which floods completely over at high tides. We have the slip on the very end of our pier, which is like having our own private deck out there. Everyone wants our slip.

We both love to fish, but I enjoy fishing from a small boat, and catching flounder, rock fish and digging up clams, and crabbing, more than fishing off shore, over water a mile deep, seeing big sharks swim by, and whales.

Our Grand-daughter caught her first fish off the end of the pier a few weeks ago. It's funny how kids always like fooling around on the pier, better than going out in the boat. She had a big time, and launched a competition with her daddy. It turned into a real riot. She was catching fish left and right, just little spot, and poor Tom, couldn't catch one to save his life. They even changed fishing locations, and then Emma started to catch fish right where he had been standing, and he caught none in her former spot. Then he changed rods with her, but alas, the same result, she was pulling them in on his rod, he was catching nothing. It was loads of fun for all of us, and we were in stitches watching this little father-daughter event.

My favorite thing to do there is dive for lobsters. There are loads of them along the rock jetties, and they're pretty easy to catch, and delicious. I'm no trophy fisherman. If I can't catch something to cook and eat, I'd just as soon skip the whole thing.

Didn't know you had moved to Florida, btw. What part of Florida do you call home?

Well now, it's good to hear that you've sworn off Fox. I still think you'd like Lou Dobbs. Did you ever take me up on that one? Also, Michael Ware, on Wolf Blitzer's Situation room, offers what I think is the best reporting available on Iraq.

As for the pod, Wolfdancer and I didn't think you'd figure it out so soon, but Leonard XXX promised to make an emergency trip to remove it for us if you start to contribute to the Kids of Illegals Foundation. Sorry about the prostate problems, but, well, you know where men's brains are, it was unavoidable. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Believe me, if I had any drugs, I'd use them myself. /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif No one told me that after sixty my body would get the wild idea that I only needed four hours of sleep each night.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Good luck with your book! Haven't read that thread yet, but will get around to it soon.

Take care,
Gayle in Md.

Deeman3
08-08-2007, 04:36 PM
Naw, were still in Southern Alabama but only an hour form the Florida coast. I could do more of my scuba diving if we got the boat but there are easier ways to dive than buy a boat. I like deep sea fishing but as that was my last wife's love, I have not done much lately. Still, boat ownership has its ups and downs I guess. I really would not mind if I really thought she would enjoy it and we would use it as much, for instance, as you do. I was mostly trying to lighten up the mood on this side of the board a bit as we all get our blood pressure up a bit at times.

I know we hold some of these feelings very closely but I still like this board as, for the most part, we are civil to each other.

Now, I know Wolfdancer to be a genuine scoundrel but he and I have agreed we are both tolerable scoundrels at worse and have promised to only snip and not bite.

He and I will, in fact, never completely agree but it would surprise me if he ever felt I had hate toward him or anyone else. Life is much too short for that and, besides, I'd run out of ammo before I could get 'em all. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


It's so hot down here, my brain may fry but as far as I really know, my prostate is still acting about 20 years old. It's the rest of my body that seems 55!

Tell Emma to keep the fishing pressure on dad....

Later,

Dee

eg8r
08-08-2007, 08:58 PM
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You're a waste of time, Eg. Things would be better here all around if you could get hold of your addiction to me. <hr /></blockquote> Your addiction to me is OK, but mine is not? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif You are the only one here that keeps up the posts, so it is no surprise I respond to your posts.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-09-2007, 12:45 PM
That's very disengenuous of you Ed, since you know damn well that I've tried to enlist you in an agreement, several times, that we both stop posting to one another, and YOU couldn't do it.

If you can't post for reasons other then to irritate people, I'd say you need to do some thinking about that. I've told you many times, you go too far in the personal insults, and I'd definately put Vapros in that same category, another one who never offers anything of value, just insults, because he can't accept opinions which conflict with his, whatever they may be, we don't know, he only insults people.

Our country faces great danger, and challenges. I think it's important for each of us to keep up with wht's going on. That isn't as easy to do in these times, when honor and integrity have become so scarce among the media and politicians, but it should be our goal to vigorously sift and cull until we have some reasonable best possible version of the truth. I can tell by your posts, that you do little, if any reading, or research, in an effort to reach your own beliefs. You can deny it, if you like, but you prove it over and over. Hence, your posts by the vast majority, consist of nothing BUT insults. I could say the same thing about Vapros. Wally, also was like that.

I can back up my information, but people like you, deny reality, for the sole purpose of irritating others. That's silly, and immature.

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
08-09-2007, 01:16 PM
Q, every time I look at the heading on this post...I think,
why can't the truth be told about Tillman's death?
He died as a result of enemy fire, friendly fire, or was in fact murdered by his fellow soldiers....I see no national security issues.....
The only reason that I can come up with to withhold documents...is that Cheney accidentally shot him....

eg8r
08-09-2007, 01:30 PM
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That's very disengenuous of you Ed, since you know damn well that I've tried to enlist you in an agreement, several times, that we both stop posting to one another, and YOU couldn't do it.
<hr /></blockquote> I am beginning to notice a trend with you...you don't think you are ever wrong or at fault. It is always everyone else.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-10-2007, 03:49 PM
Really, when I sent you the pm, making the request, I included myself under the bad posting habits column, if you recall, and stated that I thought we should consider others here, and avoid posting to one another. I suppose you'll deny that, also.

eg8r
08-11-2007, 01:37 PM
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Really, when I sent you the pm, making the request, I included myself under the bad posting habits column, if you recall, and stated that I thought we should consider others here, and avoid posting to one another. <hr /></blockquote> Apparently you have not taken your own recommendation.

eg8r

Qtec
08-11-2007, 10:49 PM
Tell me Ed, why has GW claimed Ex P on the death of a soldier?
Its hardly top secret now is it.? It all over the press.

Q

eg8r
08-12-2007, 09:31 PM
I have no idea Q. I surely hope with this reply you will not play some stupid game of saying I am avoiding your question. I am answering it directly, I don't know why W does what he does.

Now, after saying that, I want something else to be perfectly clear, in answering your question, I am also making it known that I don't give a darn what you think his reasons are. Your opinion does not matter.

eg8r