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08-07-2007, 03:58 PM
the Dems really want to win the war......
Clyburn: Positive Report by Petraeus Could Split House Democrats on War
By Dan Balz and Chris Cillizza
Washington Post Staff Writer and Washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Monday, July 30, 2007; 6:26 PM
House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday that a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party's efforts to press for a timetable to end the war.
Many Democrats have anticipated that, at best, Petraeus and U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker would present a mixed analysis of the success of the current troop surge strategy, given continued violence in Baghdad. But of late there have been signs that the commander of U.S. forces might be preparing something more generally positive. Clyburn said that would be "a real big problem for us."
<font color="blue">So if the news is good then its "a real big problem for us" No, the war is not political to the left at all, they want us to win.....sure... </font color>
It is well known that the Dems cannot afford it if the US won the war. It would completely blow the lies out of the water. They love the doom and gloom stories that they feed to the media. The goal of the left is to portray the positive in Iraq as a negative all in hopes of a quick cut and run.
08-07-2007, 06:58 PM
I thought the same thing when I heard that comment. How can good news in the report create a problem for the Dems? Of course, some of us do know the answer already...but I was shocked to hear one of the Dems admit it.
08-07-2007, 07:33 PM
Oh! those bastards. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Bob I hope it is very positive, good news from Iraq would be most welcomed after the last four years.
I am curious though if all this "good News" is a result of the "Surge" then what will happen when in a few weeks the surge is over? there is no way our military can keep up a sustained "surge" without bUSH initiating a draft, And if he does not do that what will you then think of your beloved Prez and all this good news? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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there is no way our military can keep up a sustained "surge" without bUSH initiating a draft, <hr /></blockquote> We have been hearing about a draft ever since we went into Ashcanistan. The left likes to keep this talking point out there so to scare people. I just wonder how long they will keep it up.
As far as hearing something good out of Iraq, it happens every day. The issue is that you have people every day trying to yell the bad news just a little louder. Every time good news comes out of Iraq it is detrimental to the Democrats.
Gayle in MD
08-08-2007, 08:49 AM
Righties don't think about the facts, or from a principled perspective.
A broken Army, degraded equipment, huge debt borrowed from China, Naval and Airforce Academy Graduates, getting out, after graduation, instead of staying to serve under this President. Our troops dealing with lack of rest, training and proper equipment, with Bush and the Republicans blocking the bills to provide it. Dismal, inhumane medical treatment for our wounded, and our troops, still having to buy their own equipment. Risking their lives to train people who turn around and kill them, none of that can pull the bomb happy uninformed, talking points nuts from the right into admitting that it's time to deal from reality. There is no good solution. There is no military solution, and there is no measurable improvment which will be on-going.
Every single General in Iraq, to a man, according to Senate testimony from General Abasaid, stated that the surge would not work, that it was too late, and that we did not have the equipment, nor enough troops available to bring about any sustained improvement. Bush axed them all. Only the Chicken Hawks, wish to leave our troops in the middle of a civil war, without proper rest, training and equipment, and run up another trillion dollars in debt to China.
Democrats have NEVER called for a precipitous withdrawel. That's just one more lie spread around by the right, taken straight from Bush's mouth.
The first Representative to speak out on behalf of our troops, and their on-going poor treatment by this President, and the Republicans, was a Democrat, John Murtha. Since then, many many more troops have been killed, and have life changing, tragic injuries, for which they are not recieving proper medical treatment. Republicans, and Bush, have blocked many times, the money to improve their situation. Since Murtha began to speak for our troops, more and more Republicans are finally speaking out against this too late escalation, deemed a "surge" by the Republican semantic wizards in the administration.
Most experts who have lived in the Middle East agree that Iraqis are better equipped to identify, and kill the radical terrorists, than our troops are, and will drive them out themselves.
It's long past time to get our people out, IMO. anyone who tries to tell you that they are committed to this fiasco, is a liar. Statistics prove the majority want out, and think this is a quagmire.
George Bush is an egotistical tyrant, living in a self serving illusion. He is not mentally fit to lead this country, and does not make his decisions from realistic factual information, nor from expert advice. To bash Democrats for addressing the situation from a realistic point of view, is both partisan, and unsupportive of the on-going inhumane treatment of American Troops, who have already given more than enough, in the service of George Bush's ego, and on-going lies. The radical right has cost this country more than could possibly be calculated at the moment. We will be paying for generations, for what they have wrought against America. Threads like this one are proof of the complete lack of factual information from which righties chose to escape. Our troops pay the price for their ifnorant partisan tactics.
Gayle in Md.
Gayle in Md.
Gayle in MD
08-08-2007, 09:02 AM
No military solution. All agree on that, Repubs, Generals, and Democrats, even Patraeaus. Greatly degraded equipment. Declining political progress. A fact. Not enough troops to support an on-going surge, unless tours are further extended, and we send people without training, Rest, and proper eqipment. Another fact. Majority of Americans, both Republican and Democrat, want a time line for a phased withdrawel. Another fact. Majority of Iraqis want us out. A fact.
Only the Democrats brought the dire circumstances of how our troops are being abused to the forefront.
The partisan nuts who try to promote that BS about not getting the good news from Iraq, are all like you. Ignorant and uninformed. Michael Ware has been there throughout. His statements are that there is no measurable, sustained improvement, and what little there is is being greatly exaggerated by the Administration. He's a journalist, who has risked his life for four years to bring us the truth. Not a partisan. bush has been lying for seven years. Only a mental case would continue to take his word for anything.
Gayle in Md.
08-08-2007, 09:08 AM
If the Iraqi people can win this war it will be despite this incompetent administration. Bush created this mess and now America has to face up to the responsibility of getting that madman out of office and repairing this fiasco. No doubt, there will be people who can't connect the endless stream of information they get from TV into a coherent picture of reality and will credit the Republicans. And, of course, this will be bad for America, but our first responsibility is to do what is right.
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Only the Democrats brought the dire circumstances of how our troops are being abused to the forefront. <hr /></blockquote> I guess those same Dems are patting themselves on the back for a job well done. You remember all the military budget cuts, yeah those Dems have sure been good for our military.
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The partisan nuts... <hr /></blockquote> LOL, this comes from the same person that just bragged about the Dems bringing BS to the forefront. LOL, you are more partisan than anyone on the board.
Gayle in MD
08-08-2007, 10:22 AM
Very true, wouldn't you think Republicans, who have spread around all the arms and munitions in the Middle East in the first place, and propped up despots like Saddam for decades, would have better sense than to continue selling arms to to the countries located in the most violent hot spot of the world? But NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Bush is out there still doing the same damn thing. Spreading around those bombs and guns. when will they get it? None of them are our allies. For every one we prop up, will be a future one we will have to take down later, after his power leads to slaughter.
Impeachment is our only hope to restore America to the law abiding, honorable nation of peaceful negotiations and diplomacy, compassion and assistance, truthfulness and high ideals. Bush has destroyed all of that.
It was against our own international agreements to occupy a foreign country, for regime change. We all know it was the oil, and not any idealistic goal, that promoted this disaster. Hence, bin Laden is still free, and Bush's photo opt, standing on the rubble of the WTC, after 9/11....
"They can run, but they can't hide" Yeah right, tell it to bin Laden...
"We're going to get the people who brought these buildings down"
Yeah right, we all know they were all straight out of Iraq!
Saddam put the whole thing together. How can anyone believe anything that comes out of Bush's mouth. He's a joke, both here, and all over the world.
There are still righties out there blaming Democrats for the cut in Military spending to aid our troops! That's how dumb and uninformed and partisan they are. That's how hard they work to spread lies around about their arch enemies, anyone who won't drink the cool aid!
Gayle in Md.
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