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Gayle in MD
09-06-2007, 01:11 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-cornell-du-houx/the-lives-that-begin-and-_b_63285.html


Alex Cornell du Houx
The Lives That Begin and End at Age 21
Posted September 6, 2007 | 10:10 AM (EST)




This week, there are two compelling reasons for me to write this post.

As an Iraq War veteran, watching Charles Ferguson's documentary, No End in Sight, left me frustrated at those such as Donald Rumsfeld whose arrogance cost American and Iraqi lives. As an officer in the College Democrats of America, the GAO's report stating that Iraq has hardly made any political progress left me again questioning a flawed and failing policy.

When I joined the Marine Reserves in 2002, I did not expect to be deployed to a war I disagree with; but it was my duty and honor to serve alongside my fellow Marines in Iraq last year. From my experiences in the Marines and the College Democrats, I must say that the past two years have given me a whirlwind of an education. It is and will always be my duty to serve at the pleasure of the commander-in-chief, despite my personal opinion. But it is also my duty as an American to learn how our policies reflect on the ground, and whether we are making headway. After spending a deployment patrolling the streets of Fallujah, I learned a great deal. I learned a great deal every time I watched a Humvee get blown up by an IED. I learned a great deal every time I saw Iraqis identify themselves as Sunnis and Shi'ites, not Iraqis. I learned a great deal every time children raised their hands and asked for water, not candy.

It was those experiences that guided me to where I stand on the war today. When I was on post with many of the Iraqi Army soldiers, I noticed they had propaganda on the inner linings of their uniforms promoting Moqtada al-Sadr and the Mahdi Army. One of the men we worked with asked me why the Marines were hunting al-Sadr and was trying to explain why al-Sadr was such a great person. I also spent a good deal of time with the Iraqi police and had to guard their police station from attacks since they would not show up for work when they felt danger. However, what's more disturbing is that the Iraqi army is mostly Shi'ite, while the police are mostly Sunni. As a result, we had to prevent and break up fights between the army and police at jointly run checkpoints.

It takes moments like these for any soldier serving in a dangerous, hostile foreign land to ask themselves the true purpose of the mission. Iraq's sectarian divides are so thoroughly ingrained that even those who fight in the name of Iraq do not claim allegiance to a central government, but to local religious leaders. When the incompetence and disorganization of al-Maliki's government is so obvious after over four years, it is easy to see why so many are turning to local radical leaders for protection, revenge and basic needs.

Amid the chaos, the sectarian divisions, the lack in basic necessities and hostility towards American forces, I wondered why our nation's finest youth are being sent to fight this war. The young people I've met serving our country are of the highest honor. With the average casualty age in Iraq at 21, the price they pay for this war so stubbornly mismanaged can only be described as tragic.

As I return to Bowdoin College to finish my senior year, I look at the faces of the young people who at age 21 are picking their majors in college -- deciding how they want to begin their adult lives and make a difference in the world. I look at their excitement and their love towards life, and I think about the ones, at the same age, whose lives are ending in a foreign land thousands of miles away.

I don't think I can ever put to words the toll of that tragic contrast. But it's time we honor those who passed by bringing those still there home.





<font color="red">We see already the handwriting on the wall. No General will be sent to Iraq by George Bush, unless he agrees to continue to allow our youth to be slaughtered in Iraq for as long as the DECIDER insists. To continue the slaughter, provides us no security from terrorist attacks here, and serves only to continue to destroy our armed services and reserves, putting our own homeland at great risk, as has been stated by many national Security Experts, and retired and active military Generals.

The GAO's report, the only completely independent report our government offers us, is clear, that the only strategy Bush has ever had, lies and deceit, is still the modus operendi on Iraq, and that the failed "Surge" for which Bush insisted extending our troops, without proper equipment, rest or training, to die and be mained, although it has clearly failed miserably to succeed, will be justified by more of the same Republican Spin which got us into this immoral, illegal war.

There has been no political reconciliation, supposedly the reason for the surge, to provide "Breathing Space" for the Iraqi Parliament, which promptly mostly were vacationing since the onset of the surge began. The Iraqi Police Force is corrupted beyond repair, and the Iraqi Army is still years away from independence. al qaeda is growing, our ports and borders, are still open, and the infrastructure in this our country, is crumbling, as horrendous debt threatens our country.

In the midst of the political efforts of George Bush to skew the truth about the circumstances in Iraq, and the failure of the "Surge", Republicans, as they have done all along, are spinning the cherry picked information to try to create a political advantage, and mask their on-going deceit on behalf of George Bush, and Bush's (un-necessary)war, in preparation for the coming election.

As evidenced by John McCain, and the other Republican contenders, in last night's debate, save the one honest among them, Ron Paul, McCain insisted vehemently, that the surge is working. Surely, he knows that the GAO report, as well as the statements of some of our senior military, in Iraq, are at odds with his, Petraeaus' and Bush's, descriptions of the situation on the ground.

I urge you to read the GAO report for yourself, at www.GAO.gov (http://www.GAO.gov) and contact your representatives to insist that our people no longer die in service to a President who has used and deceived them for his own private agenda.

It is far past time to end this forced Republican slaughter of American Troops, and bring them home. They completed their mission, in April of 2003, and should not have to die for the benefit of American Oil cronies of George Bush, and Dick Cheney. Iraq, can handle it's own problems, and will handle its own problems, when we do as the majority of Iraqis and Americans wish, and get out of their Iraq. We are not yet a dictatorship, in sp[ite of George Bush, who brags about the fact that our opinions do not enter his rhelm, nor the opinions of the majority of Iraqis, but he must be stopped. He has hurt our country, and our soldiers for long enough. We must end the Neocon agenda, replete with false expectations, inaccurate predictions, and ulterior motives, before they launch their hidden plan for war with Iran, and Syria. We cannot afford to allow a man who is removed from reality, nor his supporters, equally removed, to continue to destroy our country.</font color>

eg8r
09-06-2007, 02:17 PM
[ QUOTE ]
As an Iraq War veteran, watching Charles Ferguson's documentary, No End in Sight, left me frustrated at those such as Donald Rumsfeld whose arrogance cost American and Iraqi lives. <hr /></blockquote> OK, no need to go any further. I find it hypocritical for these people to discuss Iraqi lives as if they might care. These are the same fools that do not believe we did the right thing by removing Saddam. These fools want us to believe life was better under Saddam's control and the Iraqi's lives were better. Complete and utter BS. The Iraqi people are definitely better off without Saddam and his murdering sons and don't let anyone tell you any different.

eg8r

hondo
09-06-2007, 09:08 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
As an Iraq War veteran, watching Charles Ferguson's documentary, No End in Sight, left me frustrated at those such as Donald Rumsfeld whose arrogance cost American and Iraqi lives. <hr /></blockquote> OK, no need to go any further. I find it hypocritical for these people to discuss Iraqi lives as if they might care. These are the same fools that do not believe we did the right thing by removing Saddam. These fools want us to believe life was better under Saddam's control and the Iraqi's lives were better. Complete and utter BS. The Iraqi people are definitely better off without Saddam and his murdering sons and don't let anyone tell you any different.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

And you know this how?

Drop1
09-06-2007, 09:24 PM
God told him,and Bush, "no WMDs,go for the old democracy ploy,anyone should be willing to die for a fantasy.

eg8r
09-07-2007, 04:53 AM
I may not be able to provide the example you are looking for but I bet one of your presidential hopefuls, John Edwards, could hold a seance so you could chat with all those dead in the mass graves.

eg8r

hondo
09-07-2007, 06:37 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> I may not be able to provide the example you are looking for but I bet one of your presidential hopefuls, John Edwards, could hold a seance so you could chat with all those dead in the mass graves.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

Yet another tasteless post by Eg!

DickLeonard
09-07-2007, 07:06 AM
Eg8r life under the Saudi regime is as bad as life under Saddam and were going to send them 20 billion in Weapons. Most of 911 terriorist were Saudis and we went to war in Iraq.

George made the mistake of uttering he wanted to bring Democrazy to the Middle East. Saudi 6000 Prince's were heard to Say who is this Idiot Friend of Ours.

Saudia Araba and Iraq were tied for nine or tenth on the list of the most oppressive Regimes in the World. Yet we feel no ill towards them, Go Figure.Rip Van Winkle

eg8r
09-07-2007, 07:08 AM
Which part was tasteless? Was it the part that I was reminding you that one of the presidential hopefuls likes to have seances in the courtroom, or, that Saddam and his murdering children were responsible for all of the mass graves found throughout Iraq? You asked a question as to how I knew life was better now and what better way than to look to one of your presidential candidates for a little help.

eg8r

eg8r
09-07-2007, 07:12 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Eg8r life under the Saudi regime is as bad as life under Saddam and were going to send them 20 billion in Weapons. Most of 911 terriorist were Saudis and we went to war in Iraq. <hr /></blockquote> You are not making a point, just blabbering. After 9/11 we did not go directly to Iraq so what exactly is your point? You keep making these dumb statements and they are pointless.

eg8r &lt;~~~sigh, yet another pointless post from ####

DickLeonard
09-07-2007, 07:15 AM
Eg8r I read where John Edwards was holding seances with Nancy Reagans Horoscopists. John feels if he could run Reagans White House there must be a job for him if he gets elected President.RipVan Winkle

Deeman3
09-07-2007, 07:27 AM
Dick,

I have to admit, you make a very good point here.

hondo
09-07-2007, 08:14 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> Which part was tasteless? Was it the part that I was reminding you that one of the presidential hopefuls likes to have seances in the courtroom, or, that Saddam and his murdering children were responsible for all of the mass graves found throughout Iraq? You asked a question as to how I knew life was better now and what better way than to look to one of your presidential candidates for a little help.

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

On another thread you question my facts and then you
post THIS? Do you ever actually read what you post?

Gayle in MD
09-07-2007, 09:57 AM
This President, who had a personal grudge over Saddam's attempt to kill his own father, promised Americans to "Get the ones who brought down these buildings". Instead, he turned his back on the effort in Afghanistan, allowing bin Laden, and his closest supporters to escape into Pakistan. Due to his poor decisions, they have re-organized, and set up training camps in Pakistan's lawless regions.

Bush's M.O was to deceive Americans, spreading propaganda to all of us, so that he could get Saddam, and get Iraqi oil, for the american Oil Corporations, in spite of the fact thqat Saddam was no threat to America. The real threat to America, is alQaeda, first, and China, Iran, and the Saudis, Iran and Saudi Arabia having had a long business relationsyhip with the Bush's and with Dick Cheney. Anyone who can't see through this isn't informed.

The fact is, that all the warnings from people who knew that going into IRaq would be a disaster, have come to fruition, and for four years, Bush, rumsfeld, Cheney and Rice, have consistantly lied to all of us about the "Progress" in Iraq. They have taken their eye off the true threat, alQaeda, and to say that we did the right thing, is absurd, according to every foreign Affairs expert, other than those corporate fascists in the American enterprise Institute. AEI, is funded by the same people who are making all the money of this war, period. AEI is filled with people of Jewish heritage, whose only interest is in protecting Isreal. What has Isreal done for America? Of all the countries where there is and has been ethnic cleansing, why was Iraq the top on bush's list. OIL, and a Bush family grudge against Saddam, who was no doubt a piece of ****, but not by any means the worst one in the world of all the others, nor was he our greatest threat.

What I find so disconcerting about this entire fiasco is that Republicans, justify a President lying to all of us about security threats, in spite of his abuse of power, his on-going failure to listen to those more knowledgable about National Security, and the way to prosecute a war, pushing for a War, and sending out soldiers into battle without the protection they deserve. while he performs these acts of treason, he continues to ignore our laws, avoid accountability, strike out against those who expose his lies, and attempt to remove elements of our consittutional authorities, checks and balances, protection of our privacy rights, and Congressional in-put into his dealings.

Do they ever think about our troops? Do they even care, beyond partisan interests, and hatred for all things "Liberal/Democrat" that Bush has failed to provide American soldiers with the means to survive the many IED attacks? That they have been mistreated, and abused, through his own failure to give them what they need?

Two to 5 hundred thousand barrels of oil are being stolen a day in Iraq, by insurgents and terrorists. That money is being used to kill our people. This is directly linked to Bush's failure to secure the oil fields. Bush is financing this war from both sides. Complete idiocy.

Twelve to eighteen months before the Iraqi army will be able to step up to the plate, and only seven months of boots on the ground, left, to end ethnic cleansing, arrive at a political solution, and safely remove our present soldiers from battle. This, after four years of lies and alibies. They should be in a process of removal, now, IMO, since removing them will take over a year, according to experts. All of this is the result of an arrogan, stupid, bull headed idiot, who refused to listen to the experts, and refused to get rid of Donald Rumsfeld, the worst Secretary Of Defense in history. Many many Americans, have died because George bush, refuses to tell the truth, and refuses to listen to those who obviously knew a gread deal more about war, and the Middle East, than he did. It is far past time to get out of Iraq, and leave their problems to be solved through their own efforts. Our people have been abused long enough.

Gayle in Md.

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Gayle in MD
09-07-2007, 12:42 PM
yeah Hondo... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif, the Iraqis are so happy now that Saddam is gone. We're so much better off, now that alQaeda has franchised itself, and the Iraqis are so happy, they have no water, little electricity, and their oil is being stolen from them by criminals, and they love it that hundreds of thousands of them are displaced, homeless and refugees, who are leaving Iraq by the droves. They're so happy, now,... that 70% of them want to kill american soldiers! I'll tell ya who's happy, bin Laden, and Iran, and most of all China! bush is robbing us all blind, and Republicans are happy with their measly tax cut!

Sheep are dumb, and they stink!

WOW, bush and the righties are geniuses! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

SKennedy
09-07-2007, 09:46 PM
I shot some good pool tonight! All is right in the world!