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pooltchr
09-27-2007, 04:11 AM
The Dems have been pushing the administration for an immediate troop withdrawl from Iraq, as in within months. Now the top 3 Dem presidential candidates, Clinton, Obama and Edwards, all say that if elected, they can't guarantee our troops will be out of Iraq before 2013. Why would they demand GW do something that they admit is impossible?
Could someone please explain it to this ignorant southerner?
Thanks
Steve

Gayle in MD
09-27-2007, 06:29 AM
I think they're talking about getting the combat troops out as soon as they can without endangering those who will be last to leave.

They've said all along that they want to change our mission from fighting in the civil war, between Iraqis, to training, and targeting only al Qaeda.

Given the colossal mess Bush has made over there, and the many experts who have stated for years, that there are no good options, what did you expect, a magic wand?

No one knows precisely what will happen between now, and the next inauguration, but we do know that Bush has broken our army, and we cannot depend on it, at this time, for self defense. We also know that Bush and the Republicans have blocked every effort by democrats to force this administration to treat them fairly, remove them now, or previously, before things became dire and degrading, to use the words of the Iraq study group, or even to provide for their financial needs, health and family wise. Estimates are that it will take a year, to get them all out, but Democrats would be crazy to promise they could achieve having every single American troop out in that amount of time. Also, not every Democrat said 2013, and almost everyone thinks that some reduced number will have to stay in case of all out genocide, and regional kaos. Given that Bush used massive attacks, 37,000 air strikes, destroyed 19,000 buildings, and inflamed Iraqi resistance, drawing al Qaeda into an area where they had never been before, and that Bush has basically promised that he's not going to draw down our forces before he leaves office, and the Democrats efforts toward progress on many levels, including health care for sick and hungry children, and proper treatment of our troops, are all blocked by Republicans, there is no telling what we will face in 2009, or how long it will take for the United States to recover from eight years of Republican screw ups.

When your party makes a mess, they don't clean it up, they try to leave it for someone else to figure out. obviously, that surely shouldn't be Republicans! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

DeadCrab
09-27-2007, 10:06 AM
Remember Nixon and Viet Nam?

The purpose of a President's first term, is to create a second term.

If you want to hear the secret plan, you have to elect for a second term. It is in the rulebook.

Vietnamization rocks. Peace is at hand.Ain't no time to wonder why ... we're all gonna die.

wolfdancer
09-27-2007, 10:50 AM
America has only won one war since WWII...Grenada, unless you want to count the Panama/Noriego capture.
N. Korea remains a threat, while S. Korea is slowly taking over Ala. Viet Nam has signed a non-aggression pact with Nike.
After 4 years of fighting, no clear end is in sight. while the Dems, and many Republicans would like to just pull out tomorrow, we can't, and won't be able to for many years to come.
We could get some advice on this war from the French, but they were beaten badly in "Indo-China". We could go to the English, but they were even beaten by passive resistance in India, were never able to cope with the IRA, and as I remember, couldn't even beat a ragtag army here, awhile back. Even had a second try to no avail.
You seem to have had great patience with the "master plan"
all these years of a Republican Majority Congress, under the direction of GWB's inspired leadership.
But now, with a slim Democratic majority....you want all the
Bush problems to be resolved in just a few months?
Bush Senior was clear on why he didn't try to occupy Iraq...and with his own war background, and stint in the CIA, that was good enough for me. But Jr. with experience as CEO of the Texas baseball club, thought he knew better.
Right or wrong...we do need a change of direction....and at least the Dems might not only veer from the course, but right the ship....

pooltchr
09-27-2007, 04:19 PM
Wolf,
I hear what you are saying. I just think that all the time the Dems spend demanding a withdrawl timeline that was talking about months, not years, is now changing when they are comfronted with coming up with an actual timeline if they were in office. It's much easier to make demands when you aren't the one that is supposed to carry them out. Now that they are facing the actual possibility of making those decision, it seems the song is changing.
Steve

wolfdancer
09-27-2007, 04:29 PM
Well, we all know about campaign promises...
If we leave too soon,it's even more bloodshed...Iragi against Iraqi, with Iran waiting to fight the eventual winner?