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S0Noma
10-27-2007, 02:57 PM
I'm dressing up as a melting polar ice cap

Because that's scary. Almost as scary as the possible reelection of the party of the scaremonger in chief.

By Bill Maher

Oct. 27, 2007 | New Rule: This Halloween, every time you see something that's supposed to scare you, like a skeleton or a severed head or the ingredients in diet pudding ... take a moment and think about fear: What are you afraid of; what should you be afraid of. What's really scary this Halloween is that the same group of idea-free losers who won the last presidential election could win the next one by making us afraid of the wrong things. Which is why this year for Halloween, I'm going as something truly horrifying: a melting polar ice cap.

This week -- as every week -- all the Republican candidates talked about was who was toughest in the war on terror. While the country's most populous state literally burned. The Democrats, as usual, said nothing, because they didn't want to offend fire.

The Republicans, including the scaremonger in chief, sell themselves as protectors of our safety. But since they're all, except for McCain, armchair warriors, they're only comfortable protecting us from fears they made up. Like the way Iran is itching for a war with the United States now. Ahmadinejad is pure evil! Terror has a new name, and it's nearly unpronounceable.


At the Republican debate this week, Mike Huckabee said, "Islamofascism is the greatest threat we ever faced." Really? More than the Nazis? And the Russians? And the Redcoats?

In his latest ad, Mitt Romney warns eerily that Muslim jihadists want to establish an Islamic caliphate covering the whole world, including America.

And I thought the people scared of gays and Mexicans were paranoid. Islamic terrorists taking over America? They can barely get across the monkey bars. Our defense budget is 600 billion a year, they're using guns they took off a dead Soviet in 1981 -- I think we can hold Charleston.


We're the most powerful nation on earth with the largest economy and the best military, and we're made to act the fool by a few thousand cave dwellers who still put out their video on VHS.

And that's because over the last seven years, because of the incompetence that goes by the name George Bush, we've become the most insecure, paranoid superpower ever. We don't think we can get anything right anymore. We can't take care of our own citizens after a hurricane, or plan for our wars, or maintain our infrastructure, and our celebrity rehab facilities obviously aren't working at all.

Some people looked at this fire and saw not a dangerous phenomenon brought on by man's activities and requiring a scientific solution, but a cleansing catharsis sent by God to punish liberals. Even though it mostly burned Orange County.

As a species, we're failing at survival trick No. 1: prioritize the threats. Environmental catastrophe will visit all of us in the coming decades, in one way or another, and when it does I hope people like ... oh, I don't know, Lou Dobbs, says to himself, "Hmmm, maybe if I was going to spend my whole career obsessing about one issue -- it should have been global warming. The skin just fell off my face, and it turns out that really wasn't the fault of a Mexican."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/10/27/fear/

wolfdancer
10-27-2007, 06:42 PM
I was going to dress up as the most famous chicken hawk of them all.....Bill O'(Really?)
http://giam.typepad.com/cartoons_caricatures/images/oreilly_c.jpg

LWW
10-28-2007, 02:39 AM
Some people saw it as what it is...the inevitable result of neoleftist insanity which prevents the forest service from properly husbanding forests to keep nature from doing what it is doing now.

But, what they hey, logic left the neoleft tent somewhere around 1966.

LWW

wolfdancer
10-28-2007, 06:42 AM
"and our celebrity rehab facilities obviously aren't working at all."
Great line;I'd forgotten how good a read Salon was.Maybe if the rehab centers would stop blaming alcohol as the main cause of celeb crime???
Well now that I've freed up some time, by skipping over the agitator posts....I'll be able to check out that site more often.

S0Noma
10-28-2007, 01:29 PM
I can't decide if your one of those pitiful kids who used to ride the short bus to school or if you actually have a mind of your own buried under all the tired right wing cliche-speak that permeates your posts.

In case you missed it - there's a whole lot of former neo-conservatives who are now neo-convicts. The term 'neo' which sounded so cool six years ago when applied to 'neo-cons' has since seen itself sullied worse than a dainty southern belle turned two-dollar crack whore.

It comes as no surprise that you are now trying to attach it to whatever political viewpoint you wish to smear. Thanks to the conservative phuckups who once wore it so proudly it has indeed become a term of derision - and rightfully so.

Poor forestry management led to the SoCal fires? Uh huh, right. What color is the sky on your planet? Please don't say red, white and blue - being a mindless patriotic zealot isn't an answer it's a mental condition.

wolfdancer
10-28-2007, 02:42 PM
R, wish that I had your way with words....right about now, LWW is probably wishing the same.
While I know you'll get easily bored with the "debate" (I didn't even want to dignify it with a name, but...)I have you at about 10/1 odds to win.

hondo
10-28-2007, 03:44 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote S0Noma:</font><hr> I can't decide if your one of those pitiful kids who used to ride the short bus to school or if you actually have a mind of your own buried under all the tired right wing cliche-speak that permeates your posts.

In case you missed it - there's a whole lot of former neo-conservatives who are now neo-convicts. The term 'neo' which sounded so cool six years ago when applied to 'neo-cons' has since seen itself sullied worse than a dainty southern belle turned two-dollar crack whore.

It comes as no surprise that you are now trying to attach it to whatever political viewpoint you wish to smear. Thanks to the conservative phuckups who once wore it so proudly it has indeed become a term of derision - and rightfully so.

Poor forestry management led to the SoCal fires? Uh huh, right. What color is the sky on your planet? Please don't say red, white and blue - being a mindless patriotic zealot isn't an answer it's a mental condition. <hr /></blockquote>

Hilarious. Very well put, Sir.

LAMas
10-28-2007, 04:02 PM
Do you gamble?
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=12401
GAO Forest-Thinning Study Sparks New Controversy


Written By: James M. Taylor
Published In: Environment News
Publication Date: July 1, 2003
Publisher: The Heartland Institute



Supporters of President George W. Bush’s Healthy Forests Initiative have a new study to cite as proof reforms are needed in the federal government’s forest management effort. Opponents of the President’s plan disagree, saying the study proves current procedures are working.

The study, released by the General Accounting Office (GAO) on May 15, found most federal forest-thinning proposals subject to third-party comment were appealed by environmental activists.


59 Percent Appealed

The GAO examined 762 U.S. Forest Service (USFS) proposals to thin forests and prevent fires during the past two years. According to the study, slightly more than half the proposals were not subject to third-party appeal. Of those proposals subject to appeal, third parties challenged 59 percent.

Appeals were filed most often by anti-logging groups, including the Sierra Club, Alliance for Wild Rockies, and Forest Conservation Council. According to the GAO, 84 interest groups filed more than 400 appeals of Forest Service proposals. The appeals delayed efforts to treat 900,000 acres of forests and cost the federal government millions of dollars to address.

Forest Service officials estimate they spend nearly half their time, and $250 million each year, preparing for the appeals and procedural challenges launched by activists.

“The report demonstrates that the appeals needlessly delay federal efforts to prevent wildfires, and if the process is not streamlined, millions of acres will be lost this summer,” said Senate Energy Committee Chairman Pete Domenici (R-New Mexico).

“The American people will no longer tolerate management by wildfire,” Domenici added.

“This finding is nothing short of appalling, especially when you think of the catastrophic losses suffered in last year’s horrific fire season alone,” said House Resources Committee Chairman Richard Pombo (R-California).

“These were not only losses of forest, endangered species, and wildlife habitat, they were losses of human life and family property,” Pombo said.


Timber Sales Declining

Sean Cosgrove, a national forest policy specialist with the Sierra Club, defended the appeals. “We see these [forest management proposals] as outright commercial timber sales the Forest Service wants to call ‘fuel-reduction’ projects,” said Cosgrove. Any attempts to restrict the appeals process would be “a ridiculous abuse of public trust,” he claimed.

Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth disputed that the Forest Service programs are designed to maximize timber sales. Speaking at an April 22 Earth Day event in San Francisco, Bosworth reported that timber cutting in the U.S. has fallen roughly 84 percent during the past two decades, from 12 billion board feet to just 2 billion board feet per year. Bosworth called anti-logging arguments a “bogus debate” and a “diversion” designed to divert attention away from the true issues.


Inaction Causing Wildfires

Rep. Jim Gibbons (R-Nevada) put the GAO study in the context of a forest-thinning bill sponsored by Colorado Republican Scott McInnis and passed by the House on May 20. According to Gibbons, the GAO findings should provide sufficient evidence for the Senate to similarly pass the bill, “although watching millions of acres of our precious forests turned into charcoal last year should have been evidence enough.”

“Communities such as Flagstaff, Arizona, and Klamath Falls, Oregon, no longer can afford to have sound forest management plans stifled by extremists and their frivolous challenges until fire season arrives and it’s too late to help,” said Charli Coon, an energy and environment analyst with The Heritage Foundation.

Adding support to the GAO study, Arizona’s East Valley Tribune reported on April 29 its findings from an examination of 10 years of court records and Forest Service documents.

“Almost every major forest-thinning project in Arizona has been blocked by a near-constant chain of lawsuits brought by environmental groups,” the newspaper noted. Catastrophic wildfires, such as last year’s Rodeo-Chediski fire, have devastated forests while USFS thinning projects have languished in court because of activist group challenges.

“You’ve created a situation where there is unlimited opportunity to challenge things successfully, at least to the extent that you can delay it for two, three, or four years,” Pat Jackson, an appeals and litigation officer for the Forest Service, told the Tribune.

“We can remove some of the trees and lower the risk of catastrophic fire, or we can do nothing and we can watch them burn,” said Forest Service Chief Bosworth.

James M. Taylor is managing editor of Environment &amp; Climate News. His email address is taylor@heartland.org.

wolfdancer
10-28-2007, 04:27 PM
Sorry, my forestry knowhow ended with me buying PCL, below $20, and selling way too soon. It's 43.38, up 1.03 on fri, and pays a 1.68 div &amp; yield.
If I'd have just hung on, and averaged UP....I might have made enough $$ to become concerned about the Dems stealing my money.
Now I'm reduced to buying crap like VG (2.13) ...but up .60 on Fri though.
I'm a "babe in the woods" when it comes to protecting our forests....but if the noted conservationist, GWB is taking a position on it....you can bet there's a quick buck in it for someone....and then a nice donation to the cause afterwards.
Now that I would bet on...

S0Noma
10-28-2007, 04:48 PM
Both you and LWW would be well served to take a closer look at the recent catastrophic fires in Southern California - if you did you would learn that they were largely BRUSH fires and not FORREST fires.

Prez Bush (as to be expected) is not nearly as interested in culling brush as he is in serving commercial timber interests with bogus conservation policies.

Funny how that works.

LAMas
10-28-2007, 06:15 PM
You know that Lake Arrowhead is in a Forest that continues to burn in what is called the Slide and Grass Valley Fires that are total losses of over 300 homes and counting. In an interview with one of the owners, She said that they wanted to remove the dry Bark Beattle infested trees (per the Law) but were thwarted by environmentalist lawsuits. She knew the danger, but was prevented to clear the dry trees. She didn't mention the other brush fires.

http://www.disasternews.net/news/article.php?
articleid=3491

In the Lake Arrowhead area, two separate fires – the 11,675-acre Slide fire near Running Springs and the 1,100-acre Grass Valley blaze – continued to challenge firefighters.


The Slide fire, which has destroyed 200 homes and was threatening 10,000 others, was 15 percent contained. The entire community of Green Valley remained evacuated; the fire was also threatening at least eight other communities in the area. All roads into the mountain communities have been closed.


The Grass Valley fire, northwest of Lake Arrowhead, has burned 100 structures and was threatening 6,000 others. Mandatory evacuation orders remained in place throughout the area as more than 1,000 firefighters battled the flames. The fire was 40 percent contained.

S0Noma
10-28-2007, 07:12 PM
LAMas - I checked the link you supplied as well as running a Google search for the 'she said - bark beetle' quote and came up empty. Are you implying that if the trees killed by bark beetles had been cleared the Lake Arrowhead fire would never have happened?

Just curious - hoping you can provide more complete information?

LAMas
10-28-2007, 10:55 PM
A tree that isn't there cannot ignite and add fuel to the fire. That they were there - they didn't help matters.

I was watching the devastation of the Slide and Grass Valley Fires on TV when the reporter interviewed a lady victim of the fire who had lost everything to the fire and that's what she said. It raised my awareness of the Bark Beetle's effect on the fires.

I'm sorry that you can't find every quote by Googling - nice thought though.

More elaboration:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&amp;id=5725136

Beetles A Major Factor In Lake Arrowhead Fire By Laura Anthony
BERKELEY, Calif., Oct. 24, 2007 (KGO) - The conditions that make for a catastrophic fire vary from place to place. For instance, in the Oakland Hills fire of 1991, the heavy concentration of eucalyptus trees contributed to the totality of the destruction. In Lake Arrowhead, a tiny bug is a major factor and that same pest could play a major role in future fires in the East Bay hills.

Blame the beetle, at least in part, for the extent of the fire damage around Lake Arrowhead, where hundreds of homes have burned since Monday.

The inferno has been fueled by huge stands of beetle-infested pine trees -- dead wood.

"That's the insect that kills Monterey pine," says David Wood, Ph.D., a U.C. Berkeley researcher.

They are the same tiny culprits at work in pine trees all over the Bay Area, including one at U.C. Berkeley.

"That's what we call the top-kill stage. So the next stage is that the tree dies."

And that's where Professor David Wood studies the relationship among beetles, trees and fire.

"We have the potential here for similar kinds of fires," explains Wood.

Like at Lake Arrowhead, in the Bay Area bark beetles have killed countless Monterey pines including in the East Bay hills where pines are mixed in with highly-combustible eucalyptus. With 16 years of re-growth, the vegetation and fuel mix in the Oakland Hills now looks a lot like it did before the fire of 1991.

"It's bringing back the fire danger because the eucalyptus has sprouted from the stumps and the Monterey pines that were big trees up there have come back from seeds," says Wood.

The conditions exist despite efforts to clear away the most dangerous vegetation and create fire breaks in key places.

But once the high winds start blowing, in Southern California they're called Santa Ana winds, all bets are off when it comes to vegetation management to prevent fire.

"Basically, once those winds get going, and if there's an ignition and we get a fire during those winds, the vegetation characteristics do not play as a strong a role," Say Max Moritz, Ph.D., a U.C. Berkeley wildfire specialist.

In short, trees or not, almost everything in the path of a wind-driven fire like the one in Southern California will burn.


Where's the East Bay Hills? South of Sonoma?

S0Noma
10-28-2007, 11:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LAMas:</font><hr>
Where's the East Bay Hills? South of Sonoma?
<hr /></blockquote>

They are very near Oakland. That was a devastating fire too. Fires burning in high winds on steep slopes can be impossible to control.

I agree with you about the dry, dead tree issue. Anything that can be removed safely should be. I think the point about Bush's efforts to thin the forest had more to do with his desire to allow commercial logging interests to harvest live trees - the commercialization of national resources notwithstanding it is doubtful that thinning a forest will prevent a fire from spreading if other conditions (like low humidity, high temperatures, high winds or steep terrain) are present.

LWW
10-29-2007, 03:34 AM
Actually I know it from living for years in a natl forest and still owning land there.

I know it from watching Tellowstone burn years back over the same ignorance.

LWW

LWW
10-29-2007, 03:48 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote S0Noma:</font><hr> Both you and LWW would be well served to take a closer look at the recent catastrophic fires in Southern California - if you did you would learn that they were largely BRUSH fires and not FORREST fires.

Prez Bush (as to be expected) is not nearly as interested in culling brush as he is in serving commercial timber interests with bogus conservation policies.

Funny how that works. <hr /></blockquote>
WOW!

Perhaps you should READ UP (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/24/bush.radio/index.html) on what the policy actually was and where the moonbat left WENT TO COURT (http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/roadless/) to stop the saving of the forests.

So, inclosing, these are the facts:

1-There was a plan i place to stop this.

2-The radical left insisted that the program be stopped.

3-The fires came as predicted would happen if the plan wasn't followed.

4-The neoleft tree nazis will not take ownership of their disaster.

5-They blame Bush.

What else is new?

Not much.

LWW

S0Noma
10-29-2007, 07:02 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LWW:</font><hr>
WOW!

Perhaps you should READ UP (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/24/bush.radio/index.html) on what the policy actually was and where the moonbat left WENT TO COURT (http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/roadless/) to stop the saving of the forests.

So, inclosing, these are the facts:

1-There was a plan i place to stop this.

<font color="blue">Great plan: "...allowing forests to be thinned by loggers to reduce fire danger."

"...Bush is also urging Congress to pass the 1994 Northwest Forest Plan, which would allow 1 million board feet of timber a year to be taken out of forests in Northwestern states. He said the plan, which was supported by the Clinton administration but never approved by Congress, would create 100,000 jobs in the region.

"I want our forests healthy, and I want our economy healthy," he said. "Congress needs to pass the laws necessary to implement the plan.""</font color>

2-The radical left insisted that the program be stopped.

<font color="blue">You're calling the Sierra Club the 'radical left'? LOLOLOLOL. Oh my, you're more paranoid than I first imagined!</font color>

3-The fires came as predicted would happen if the plan wasn't followed.

<font color="blue">Interesting how you make the giant leap in logic to assume that logging the National Forests or 'thinning them' as the euphemism is being applied here would have prevented the fires.

On what basis do you reach that conclusion? I mean, surely if we took out most of the trees the few that would be left would be so far apart that if one of them burned it couldn't possibly torch the paltry few that remained. But, otherwise? Drought, heat, low humidity, high winds, steep terrain - those factors don't go away just because you've 'thinned' the forest.

It's absurd that you would think so and even more ridiculous that you would expect people with more than two brain cells to rub together to think so. Opening pristine National forests to logging and development is the not so hidden agenda behind the Bush plan - and you know it.[</font color> ]

4-The neoleft tree nazis will not take ownership of their disaster.

<font color="blue"> Darned tree huggers shoulda let the loggers in to cut down a bunch of those useless old trees an keep the rest of em from burning when mean old Mr. Fire showed up. Now that Mr. Fire burned the forest again it's all their fault? Yeah, uh huh, sure - right. An now they won't cop to it being their fault? Oh my, that's just plain WRONG!

This is just more cliche talk from you. Get back to me when you're willing to drop the bull$hit rhetoric and can express yourself in something other than ridiculous right wing buzz words.</font color>

5-They blame Bush.

<font color="blue"> Whose they? Are you saying that the evil lefties are blaming George for starting the fires? Can you provide a link for this? Or is it just what it appears to be? More bull$hit rhetoric. Time to give it a rest LWW. I know you're trying - but your BS ain't flying.</font color>

What else is new?

<font color="blue">From you? Nothing. </font color>

LWW <hr /></blockquote>

LWW
10-29-2007, 07:25 AM
And you show how you are merely a tool of the system.

1994, the Demss propose it and the Reps oppose it. Later the Reps propose it and the Dems oppose it. In the meantine the Forest Svc has wanted it all along.

So, why hasn't it been implemented?

If the Reps allowed the Dems to do it the Dems can claim a victory. Later the sides are reversed. Neither actually cares what works best. In the meantime the forests burn, the politicians laugh, and the public is reduced to a bunch of semi illiterates pointing fingers at each other.

If every American would actually look at the crap being fed them by the RNC and DNC and investigate it all of our issues could be solved in 1 election cycle.

OTOH, as long as partisans such will stand up for "THEIR SIDE" no matter what we will continue to get what we have.

LWW

Gayle in MD
10-29-2007, 07:38 AM
LOL, yeah, he only addresses brush on his own "Ranch," but then, what's a cowboy to do when he's afraid to ride a horse, and he doesn't have any cattle? the "Ranch" was the best he could do to market himself as the new Reagan, I suppose. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif It's all about the costume, right?

I love Bill Maher.

Gayle in Md.

LWW
10-29-2007, 07:54 AM
So, you admit to being a tool as well and except that the policy was good when Clinton wanted it followed and bad when Bush wanted it followed.

Amazing ignorance of reality at work.

LWW

Gayle in MD
10-29-2007, 08:12 AM
Great post, friend, and beautiful writing.

Bill Maher's show is terrific. Did you see the Islamist fashion show? Hilarious! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

SKennedy
10-29-2007, 08:28 AM
From fires in the west to drought in the southeast....guess those folks in the SE wish the gloom and doom soothsayers had been correct on the number of storms and hurricanes predicted this season. Once again, they were wrong. Once again, mother nature is in complete control. But, we mean well and one day we will conquer!

S0Noma
10-29-2007, 09:04 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LWW:</font><hr> ...you are merely a tool of the system.

If every American would actually look at the crap being fed them by the RNC and DNC and investigate it all of our issues could be solved in 1 election cycle.

<font color="blue"> &amp; if you actually LOOKED at the garbage that you try to pass off in this forum as 'writing'? Your posts might be worth reading. So far, every time I try to plow through one I hear the marching music of John Philip Sousa and picture you at the head of the parade with a baton twirling in your hand.</font color>

OTOH, as long as partisans such will stand up for "THEIR SIDE" no matter what we will continue to get what we have.

<font color="blue"> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.... </font color>

LWW

LWW
10-29-2007, 09:53 AM
So, you choose not to think but remain a tool?

LWW &lt;---Not surprised.

S0Noma
10-29-2007, 10:08 AM
LWW - Spouting Hot Air since 1956.

....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Sonoma &lt;-- would be surprised if LWW can actually dress himself without help.

wolfdancer
10-29-2007, 10:13 AM
Pete Seeger used to do a song along those lines
"I can see by your outfit that you are a cowboy,
see by my outfit that I'm a cowboy too,
you can see by our outfits that we are both cowboys,
get yourself an outfit and be a cowboy too"

Gayle in MD
10-29-2007, 10:15 AM
Although man does not control nature, his actions affect nature. An executive office, full of former OIL CEO's, will surely not be the leaders to expose, and address, the effects of burning fossil fuels, the health effects involved, or the disasterous global results predicted, hence, they censor scientifice studies, which we pay for with our tax dollars. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
10-29-2007, 10:19 AM
"Are you saying that the evil lefties are blaming George for starting the fires?"
They do suspect arson...although I also thought that the fires were punishment from above. so the arsonist could be either????
Bush does have a valid point though....if we didn't have forests, we wouldn't have forest fires....

S0Noma
10-29-2007, 10:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> R, wish that I had your way with words....right about now, LWW is probably wishing the same.
While I know you'll get easily bored with the "debate" (I didn't even want to dignify it with a name, but...)I have you at about 10/1 odds to win. <hr /></blockquote>

Thanks for the vote of confidence Jack - you are right on both counts - neither one of these guys seem capable of anything remotely akin to 'debate'. In fact I have yet to read a single one of their posts that manages to rise above the level of 'insipid'. As you know insipidity is not normally considered worthy of debate much less respect.

As to the odds? It's not been much of a contest so far.

http://i21.tinypic.com/2i0soc9.jpg

Gayle in MD
10-29-2007, 12:34 PM
BWA HA HA HA! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif I love it! Too funny! But hey, where's his flag, his hat, and his red neck?

I think I'm going to be a bumble bee this Halloween. Gee, I guess I'll have to get a buzzzzzzzzzzzz first though, huh?
/ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif Hmm, is that legal? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Vapros
10-29-2007, 12:39 PM
I don't know about Pete Seeger, but the Smothers Brothers used to do that little ditty.

wolfdancer
10-29-2007, 01:02 PM
neat metaphor!!
I'm predicting that a post of yours will soon show up in the "big leagues", the result of a combined effort (one guy copies, the other pastes)....it'll have to be a post though, where LWW can get a few fawning nods of approval...."you really showed him" (hmm, might take awhile)
AND then the infamous challenge...where you have to take one of them online Mensa type tests (that any schoolboy can ace), compare scores and then even if you win, you lose...as you are forced to share drinks and a "My Dinner With Andre" type conversation.
I have a friend who is a member of Mensa, near genius in several fields, and like William Shockley, impossible to get along with.I'm thinking of inviting him here...have him dumb down his posts to LWW's level, bait him into the challenge, and I'll pay for the dinner, if he'll do a "hidden" tape recording.

SKennedy
10-29-2007, 01:03 PM
It is if you don't get caught!

wolfdancer
10-29-2007, 01:13 PM
It's not often that I read something here, and then laugh out loud. A good joke though first needs a set up...I read his post, with the trite banalities, the retreaded quotes, that he believes are impressive....
and then you add the "hot air" remark...
Now that would be funny even if I was on his side....