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1Time
11-09-2007, 01:22 AM
Don't go to A-1 Billiards in Las Vegas for a tip replacement. I received my new Viking cue back to find its ferrule scratched up, a dent in the shaft, and the shaft bent. Fortunately the shaft somehow straighted out on it's own after a couple days, wierd, but good. And nothing against the business A-1 Billiards otherwise provides, but the guy they have for their tip work sucks.

BigRigTom
11-09-2007, 06:55 PM
If I was in Vegas I would take the $25 that you probably paid for a bad tip replacement and put $5 on the pass line of the Craps table at the Paris Casino, then back that with the other $20 once the point was established.

Repeat til satisfied with results.

Best tip I have for you.

1Time
11-09-2007, 07:12 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr> If I was in Vegas I would take the $25 that you probably paid for a bad tip replacement and put $5 on the pass line of the Craps table at the Paris Casino, then back that with the other $20 once the point was established.

Repeat til satisfied with results.

Best tip I have for you. <hr /></blockquote>

I gave the guy 2 spare tips I had and got the 3rd one replaced on my cue for free.

But even if I did pay for it, it's not that expensive, something like $8 or $10 at most.

Thanks to the all those who consider gaming advise such as yours to be sound, Vegas does pretty well economically, something in the millions in every quarter.

Here's my best tip for you. Vegas odds don't change by betting that way. The odds are still in the favor of the house. It's a loser's bet.

BigRigTom
11-10-2007, 10:16 AM
Vegas didn't get rich on the crap tables.
They got rich on those slot machines and the roulette wheels.
That is why every casino has a million of them.
Craps is still the best and most intelligent game in the casino and if you enjoy gambling you have a better chance of winning when you play craps intelligently than any other of the games they offer in casinos.
Unfortunately for that same reason a lot of casinos don't have craps tables and those that do will have only a few then they try to manipulate the situation thru the minimum and maximum bets allowed.

1Time
11-10-2007, 07:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr> Vegas didn't get rich on the crap tables.
They got rich on those slot machines and the roulette wheels.
That is why every casino has a million of them.
Craps is still the best and most intelligent game in the casino and if you enjoy gambling you have a better chance of winning when you play craps intelligently than any other of the games they offer in casinos.
Unfortunately for that same reason a lot of casinos don't have craps tables and those that do will have only a few then they try to manipulate the situation thru the minimum and maximum bets allowed. <hr /></blockquote>

No. Vegas got rich from gamblers. The odds are in favor of the house regardless of what game is played.

Vegas provides the games based on supply and demand for those games and on what will maximize their profits. And so, for example, if the demand for slot machines decreased enough and the demand for crap tables increased enough, then the ratio of slot machines to crap tables would be more even. And it's as simple as that.

BigRigTom
11-11-2007, 11:03 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr> Vegas didn't get rich on the crap tables.
They got rich on those slot machines and the roulette wheels.
That is why every casino has a million of them.
Craps is still the best and most intelligent game in the casino and if you enjoy gambling you have a better chance of winning when you play craps intelligently than any other of the games they offer in casinos.
Unfortunately for that same reason a lot of casinos don't have craps tables and those that do will have only a few then they try to manipulate the situation thru the minimum and maximum bets allowed. <hr /></blockquote>

No. Vegas got rich from gamblers. The odds are in favor of the house regardless of what game is played.

Vegas provides the games based on supply and demand for those games and on what will maximize their profits. And so, for example, if the demand for slot machines decreased enough and the demand for crap tables increased enough, then the ratio of slot machines to crap tables would be more even. And it's as simple as that. <hr /></blockquote>

It is that simple...you are absolutely correct.
Nothing personal just business. /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

1Time
11-11-2007, 11:23 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr> Nothing personal just business. /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Oh, I meant my comments to be taken personally, so you and others could better benefit from them. Craps is a losing bet just like slots and roulette. And there's no money management scheme like the one you suggested that will change the odds in Vegas. To clarify, for example, if everyone eventually switched to playing craps and used your money management scheme, Vegas would still thrive. The house would still have the odds and gamblers would still make Vegas rich. You come back soon now, you hear?

BigRigTom
11-11-2007, 11:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr> Nothing personal just business. /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Oh, I meant my comments to be taken personally, so you and others could better benefit from them. Craps is a losing bet just like slots and roulette. And there's no money management scheme like the one you suggested that will change the odds in Vegas. To clarify, for example, if everyone eventually switched to playing craps and used your money management scheme, Vegas would still thrive. The house would still have the odds and gamblers would still make Vegas rich. You come back soon now, you hear? <hr /></blockquote>

1time!
Nothing is ever one time for you is it?
1st of all though I never described MY money management scheme for you or anyone else.
I like to gamble and I like to play craps.
Of course the odds are in the house's favor, that is why there is a "house" and you are correct about Vegas being successful because of the odds being in their favor.
You seem to be suggesting however that people are fools for gambling and you may be partly right there too but I gamble for fun and if I win I will usually blow the money on foolish things. I know that ahead of time and I accept that as my cost of the entertainment I choose to enjoy.
Some people play pool for entertainment and even bet on that occassionally, I am one of those people.

Gambling is fun for some of us and is a real problem for others as are most of the vices of the world.
If you don't enjoy it don't do it.
That is pretty simple isn't it?

bradb
11-11-2007, 11:50 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr> If I was in Vegas I would take the $25 that you probably paid for a bad tip replacement and put $5 on the pass line of the Craps table at the Paris Casino, then back that with the other $20 once the point was established.

Repeat til satisfied with results.

Best tip I have for you. <hr /></blockquote>

Tom, I used to play the crap tables a bit, and occasionally tried roulette but I found over the long run I still was on the short end. So now when I go to Vegas I play the slots downtown in the old casinos. I think the machines are loser there as they need to draw players from the strip. I've found I've actually come out better so far. Big emphasis on so far.

My wife is an accountant so she loves 21, but I get a drink, a good gar and tour the slots. Its the last place anywhere you can do that. -brad

Warbler
11-11-2007, 11:58 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
Craps is still the best and most intelligent game in the casino and if you enjoy gambling you have a better chance of winning when you play craps intelligently than any other of the games they offer in casinos.<hr /></blockquote>

I always thought blackjack was the game you had the best chance of winning. I prefer betting on the horses to anything the casinos have to offer.

BigRigTom
11-11-2007, 12:02 PM
21 is fun but I get bored just sitting there. I like the energy and the us against them camaraderie of the crap table. I sometimes win and sometimes lose but either way I enjoy the game.....

Wait...did that sound like playing pool?

bradb
11-11-2007, 12:16 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr> 21 is fun but I get bored just sitting there. I like the energy and the us against them camaraderie of the crap table. I sometimes win and sometimes lose but either way I enjoy the game.....

Wait...did that sound like playing pool? <hr /></blockquote>

Yeah whenever there's big excitement its usually from the craps table. I was at the Belaggio and saw a guy running pass after pass, it was sheer bed lam! The crowd was screaming like crazy.

For me though I like the quiet side.... unless I'm in a nine ball game!!!

BigRigTom
11-11-2007, 12:34 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bradb:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr> 21 is fun but I get bored just sitting there. I like the energy and the us against them camaraderie of the crap table. I sometimes win and sometimes lose but either way I enjoy the game.....

Wait...did that sound like playing pool? <hr /></blockquote>

Yeah whenever there's big excitement its usually from the craps table. I was at the Belaggio and saw a guy running pass after pass, it was sheer bed lam! The crowd was screaming like crazy.

For me though I like the quiet side.... unless I'm in a nine ball game!!! <hr /></blockquote>

That is really true.
When you hear the yelling in a casino it is almost always from the crap table.
I was at the Sands a few years ago and the shooter parlayed a $25 hard 8 bet at the maximimum allowed while shooting for a point 10. He proceeded to hit the hard 8 four times before also hitting his point.
The Sands paid him over $22,000 on that 4th hit, they closed the table and the pit boss told us they lost $66000 on the session.
There was quite a crowd around that table when it was over and everyone boo'ed the house for closing the table but they closed it anyway.

BigRigTom
11-11-2007, 12:48 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Warbler:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
Craps is still the best and most intelligent game in the casino and if you enjoy gambling you have a better chance of winning when you play craps intelligently than any other of the games they offer in casinos.<hr /></blockquote>

I always thought blackjack was the game you had the best chance of winning. I prefer betting on the horses to anything the casinos have to offer. <hr /></blockquote>
I have read a couple of books about the odds and they are better at craps when the game is played correctly.
Of course the odds are based on the bet.
There are a lot of sucker bets on the crap table just like there are a lot of sucker bets on the blackjack table (example splitting a pair of face cards hoping for 2 black jacks [21])
The dealers will sometime encourage people to make those sucker bets but at a good house the dealer will caution you about the lack of wisdom on those and encourage you to play a smarter choice. It is still gambling and you have to remember what 1time said.....the odds are always in the house's favor no matter how close the bet.

1Time
11-11-2007, 01:58 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>1time!
Nothing is ever one time for you is it?<hr /></blockquote>
It's over when it's over. But if you complain enough, I might show a little sympathy.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
1st of all though I never described MY money management scheme for you or anyone else.<hr /></blockquote>
I referred to it as yours because "you" advised me to use it in your first post. And, I never said you used it. Get a grip.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
I like to gamble and I like to play craps.<hr /></blockquote>
And like I said, Vegas gets rich from gamblers, even the ones like you who play craps.

Thank you, and come again.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
Of course the odds are in the house's favor, that is why there is a "house" and you are correct about Vegas being successful because of the odds being in their favor.<hr /></blockquote>
This is true.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
You seem to be suggesting however that people are fools for gambling and you may be partly right there too but I gamble for fun and if I win I will usually blow the money on foolish things. <hr /></blockquote>

No. Here's where I'm coming from. Gambling in a casino to make money as you advised me to do for a tip replacement, is foolish. And, using "that" money management system that you advised for that purpose is foolish as well. And, it would be irresponsible of me not to set you and the readers of this thread straight.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
I know that ahead of time and I accept that as my cost of the entertainment I choose to enjoy.<hr /></blockquote>
Of course many people accept the "known" cost of gambling and consider it an acceptable form of entertainment. However, that was never at issue, and you just started talking about it here. For an explanation of why this is so, if needed, re-read my previous replies.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
Some people play pool for entertainment and even bet on that occassionally, I am one of those people.<hr /></blockquote>
Welcome to the crowd. So many consider gambling as an acceptable form of entertainment, whether on a pool table or in a casino. Please, do whatever gives you pleasure, makes you feel comfortable, or entertains you. And please, come to Vegas as often as you can. And yes, I am being facetious.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
Gambling is fun for some of us and is a real problem for others as are most of the vices of the world.
If you don't enjoy it don't do it.
That is pretty simple isn't it? <hr /></blockquote>

Yes, that is a very simple and quite popular perspective. However, it is equally superficial, harmful, and terribly short sighted. Gambling in any form is harmful, and it is so to the gambler and to those who do not gamble.

1Time
11-11-2007, 02:58 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr> 21 is fun but I get bored just sitting there. I like the energy and the us against them camaraderie of the crap table. I sometimes win and sometimes lose but either way I enjoy the game.....

Wait...did that sound like playing pool? <hr /></blockquote>

BigRigTom,

For some reason I thought you were a better pool player than that. I always won far more frequently at pool than I did at gambling in the casinos.

1Time
11-11-2007, 03:07 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Warbler:</font><hr>I always thought blackjack was the game you had the best chance of winning. I prefer betting on the horses to anything the casinos have to offer. <hr /></blockquote>

No, for the non-cheating player, the best odds are in baccarat. 21 players usually increase the house's odds by playing poorly, while card counters get caught and booted. But knowing that is not likely to slow down a hard core craps player, horse race better, or slots player. Just keep gambling and coming to Vegas.

1Time
11-11-2007, 03:44 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
When you hear the yelling in a casino it is almost always from the crap table.<hr /></blockquote>

Yelling heard in a casino only means there's a group of people betting on one thing. Craps tables are heard mostly late at night, otherwise it's more so the sporting events in the sports book. And in either case, it's more likely than not the gamblers involved are losing and the casino is winning.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
The Sands paid him over $22,000 on that 4th hit, they closed the table and the pit boss told us they lost $66000 on the session.
There was quite a crowd around that table when it was over and everyone boo'ed the house for closing the table but they closed it anyway. <hr /></blockquote>

Casinos could not care less about pissing off a few winners. They're in it for the money and know those gamblers will be back. And despite losses like this and the many more for thousands less, casinos rake in the money big time. And in part the casinos owe their popularity and fortune to those who talk about winnings such as this one.

Warbler
11-11-2007, 04:19 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr>
No, for the non-cheating player, the best odds are in baccarat.<hr /></blockquote>

shows you how much I know about casino games.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr>
21 players usually increase the house's odds by playing poorly, while card counters get caught and booted.<hr /></blockquote>

I wasn't talking about of the odds of winning at blackjack while playing poor or cheating. I was refering to the odds of winning while playing intelligently and without cheating.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr>
Just keep gambling and coming to Vegas. <hr /></blockquote>

1. I've never gambled at Vegas or any casino.
2. I've only gambled at the track
3. I've only done it rarely and bet very little.
4. I only do it for fun.
5. I see nothing wrong with gambling for the fun of it as long as you only bet what you can afford to lose and don't become addicted.

1Time
11-11-2007, 04:58 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Warbler:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr>
No, for the non-cheating player, the best odds are in baccarat.<hr /></blockquote>
shows you how much I know about casino games. <hr /></blockquote>
You got me there; I was wrong. Quoted from WikAnswers, "The casino game that has the lowest house advantage when making the proper bet is Craps." However, that hardly shows how much I know about casino games.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Warbler:</font><hr><blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr>
21 players usually increase the house's odds by playing poorly, while card counters get caught and booted.<hr /></blockquote>
I wasn't talking about of the odds of winning at blackjack while playing poor or cheating. I was refering to the odds of winning while playing intelligently and without cheating.<hr /></blockquote>
Of course you were. I was talking about Vegas making big bucks from 21 players because they don't play intelligently. But now that you mentioned it, Vegas makes big bucks from all 21 players, including the ones who play intelligently.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Warbler:</font><hr><blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr>
Just keep gambling and coming to Vegas. <hr /></blockquote>

1. I've never gambled at Vegas or any casino.
2. I've only gambled at the track
3. I've only done it rarely and bet very little.
4. I only do it for fun.
5. I see nothing wrong with gambling for the fun of it as long as you only bet what you can afford to lose and don't become addicted. <hr /></blockquote>
I believe you.

However, that does not mean your gambling does not harm you and others.

bradb
11-11-2007, 07:19 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote BigRigTom:</font><hr>
When you hear the yelling in a casino it is almost always from the crap table.<hr /></blockquote>

Yelling heard in a casino only means there's a group of people betting on one thing. Craps tables are heard mostly late at night, otherwise it's more so the sporting events in the sports book. And in either case, it's more likely than not the gamblers involved are losing and the casino is winning.

Casinos could not care less about pissing off a few winners. They're in it for the money and know those gamblers will be back. And despite losses like this and the many more for thousands less, casinos rake in the money big time. And in part the casinos owe their popularity and fortune to those who talk about winnings such as this one. <hr /></blockquote>

1time, your're off track here. We're talking about recreational gambling. You go down to Vegas with a few bucks to have a good time. If you blow it who cares, its part of the fun of playing. Every once in a while somebody hits it big! Thats part of the excitement.

The guy I saw was probably on vacation and having a ball just like me, only he walked out of there with a wad of cash and a big story to talk about.

Nobodys a sucker for going down there, hell I've spent more money on the golf course then I have in Vegas. So lighten up there.

Save up a few bucks and go down, you might like it! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Warbler
11-11-2007, 09:57 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr>But now that you mentioned it, Vegas makes big bucks from all 21 players, including the ones who play intelligently. <hr /></blockquote>

True. But the question is, how much money do the players who play intelligently win as compared to how much they lose, and how does ratio compare to the other games?

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 1Time:</font><hr>
I believe you.

However, that does not mean your gambling does not harm you and others.
<hr /></blockquote>

how could the rare times I've bet on the races possibly harm anyone but myself?? And how could I possibly harm myself when I only bet a few dollars here and there??

New2Pool
11-11-2007, 11:38 PM
As 1Time has already alluded to, a good card counter can shift the odds in blackjack to their favor. However, most people who count cards are not good at it so they just lose more money thinking the odds will catch up with them over time. Those who are good get kicked out of the casino and banned from coming back. Some of the casinos have started to invest in facial recognition (http://www.ecmag.com/index.cfm?fa=article&amp;articleID=3773) software so they can spot the banned players.

Snapshot9
11-12-2007, 10:26 AM
Doesn't the Cue Club do tip replacements?

bradb
11-12-2007, 11:59 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Warbler:</font><hr>
I always thought blackjack was the game you had the best chance of winning. I prefer betting on the horses to anything the casinos have to offer. <hr /></blockquote>

I don't play the horses much myself but my wife loves going down for 2$ bets. She has an uncanny ability at picking winners.

A friend of mine follows horse racing very close, he keeps track of the breeders and knows which of the new horse coming on the scene show the best promise. He really does well in handy cap picks as new contenders have the edge until they post a record. I would say he is probably ahead in bets but he's invested a lot of time to get there. Interesting note, he is a floor manager at a large casino here, but he loves the horses. -brad

Drop1
11-12-2007, 08:41 PM
If you ever get a reply on replacing a cue tip,please post it.