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Gayle in MD
11-09-2007, 01:20 PM
"But the weird thing is that the grand coalition that has kept Republicans powerful, kept conservatives in control of the American marketplace of ideas for nearly twenty years makes absolutely no sense.



http://realart.blogspot.com/2002_12_01_realart_archive.html#85523268




Why?

The simple answer is that basic, fundamental principles of Christianity (virtually any variety of it) are utterly at odds with cutthroat capitalism, utterly at odds with consumerism, utterly at odds with conservative concepts of “individual responsibility.” Jesus was a progressive leftist. I don’t really mean this in the “eleven long-haired Friends a' Jesus in a chartreuse micro-bus,” smoking the holy marijuana way that C. W. McCall might have meant in his classic song “Convoy.” I really mean quite literally that Jesus was a leftist.

Jesus told a rich man that the way for him to go to Heaven was to "sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor.” When the rich man would not do this and left, Jesus told his followers that it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven. To me this means what it says: the wealthy are too enamored of their things to be able to focus on the spiritual and, therefore, doomed. For some reason, however, I’ve always heard fundamentalist preachers squirm through these verses—they say that what the passage actually refers to is an idiomatic expression that means some sort of small door into a walled city; that is, a camel can, in fact, go through “the eye of a needle,” but it’s very difficult to do so. Whatever. Even with the fundamentalist interpretation (hmm, I always thought that fundamentalists didn’t need to interpret…), it’s clear that in order to get through the door, the camel has to be unloaded and on it’s knees. A rich man cannot go to Heaven with his riches; he must unload them and bow down before God! It is undeniable: according to Christ, individual wealth is so immoral that it will send a wealthy individual to the eternal torment of Hell.

Hmmm…wealth is immoral. Kinda sounds a bit Marxist to me.

And, of course, there is the incident in the temple with the moneychangers. This Biblical passage is often cited in fundamentalist circles to demonstrate that Jesus could get angry and therefore anger is not necessarily sinful. But I don’t seem to remember any of my Sunday school teachers or ministers that referenced the passage ever go into much detail about why Jesus was so outraged by the encroachment of the realm of finance into the realm of the spiritual. Perhaps fundamentalist theologians see some tidy line of reasoning that keeps this important moment in the life of Christ from casting a bad light on the world of banking, but I certainly can’t see it. A plain, literal understanding of the moment clearly illustrates some kind of Godly animosity toward the finance industry—that is to say, Jesus seemed to have some sort of problem with the concept of making a profit without actually producing anything, so much of a problem, in fact, that he angrily ordered that the money changers be kept away from the temple. (Is that like the city councils of today restricting strip bars and porno shops to a certain distance away from schools and churches? I wonder...)

Again, I’m not trying to make Jesus out to be a Communist or anything, but…

You know, it’s interesting to note that while Jesus seemed to be uncomfortable with the moneychangers, he seemingly had no discomfort with the tax man. It’s almost a conservative joke now, “tax and spend liberals.” But when you think about the concept of “render unto Caesar,” Jesus clearly shows that he believed that the state has an obligation to levy taxes in order to conduct the people’s business; this concept is mentioned in the same breath that he speaks of humanity’s obligation “to render unto God.” That is to say, he seems to give equal importance to both ideas.

(Okay, I know it’s a stretch to call the business of the Roman Empire “the people’s business,” but they did build damned fine roads. Also, it’s hardly radical to declare that the state needs to be able to levy taxes, but in this day and age where Bill Clinton is the liberal poster child…)

Jesus owned nothing. Jesus slept in the homes of friends and followers. Jesus recruited his Apostles from the ranks of the working class. Jesus was loudly critical of his era’s institutions of power. Jesus championed the poor. Jesus healed the sick. Jesus fed the hungry. Jesus was imprisoned and executed because he challenged the powerful elite.

“What Would Jesus Do?” says the trendy Christian commercial phrase plastered on tee shirts, key chains, and bumper stickers.

To be honest, I think that if he were around today, he would do exactly the same thing. He would be killed for it, of course, and Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell would testify against him at his trial, and stadiums full of Promise Keepers would be screaming righteously for his blood.

This is kind of a no-brainer argument, actually, and many others have made such observations before me—the Catholic liberation theologists of Central and South America, for instance, have, in fact, embraced the concept to some extent and I am now beginning to hear about fundamentalist movements against consumerism and SUVs. But I believe that this point of view really needs to be repeated again and again very, very loudly. Ronald Reagan’s grand coalition is not only extremely dangerous to the future of the United States and, it seems increasingly, the world, it is also founded upon weird lies about and distortions of Christianity’s holy scriptures. The aims of the neo-liberals and the aims of Jesus are fundamentally at odds with one another.

If only we could get the fundamentalists to do what they say they do and interpret the Gospels more literally!

I no longer really believe the Bible to be the word of God, although I do still value the Bible for various reasons. That doesn’t really matter. Jesus was a leftist. This really ought to be the wedge that drives the conservative movement into obsolescence."

LWW
11-09-2007, 01:40 PM
So, in your august opinion, the like of Michael Moorecheeseburgers and Soros and Pelosi and Feinstein and Rockefeller and Kennedy and Hillary and Billy Jeff and most of the DNC hierarchy will burn i Hell forever?

Glad to see you are coming around.

I knew you could do it.

LWW

wolfdancer
11-09-2007, 01:41 PM
The money-changing Temples are now located at both the United States Senate Washington, D.C. 20510 and 1600 Penn. Ave. in D.C.
I see your favorite internet troll, has already decided to enlighten you.
It's kind of like in Pavlov's experiments....he follows you around like a puppy dog....wonder if you can teach him to "sit" "stay" "rollover"?

Gayle in MD
11-09-2007, 04:16 PM
Scroll by him my friend. It has already proven to us, it isn't worth stopping. It continues to call myth, fact. It has no thought process beyond the consistant suspension of any critical thinking. It is nothing more than a pile of unconnected damaged brain cells, without conscience. It is an obvious bubba, void of reality, cherry picking its way through the vast unknown. It is what is commonly known as a bad joke.

He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool.

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cushioncrawler
11-10-2007, 12:58 AM
Gayle -- Yessireee. Jezus woz anti -- organized religion, priests, priests houses, the rich, etc etc. Jezus woz for -- women, the individual etc etc. Of course, Jezus didnt really exist, allmost a total fabrikation. But guess i karnt have it both wayz. madMac.

LWW
11-10-2007, 03:54 AM
Actually I took your points to their logical conclusion ... largely to help because you never do ... but you know that.

LWW

Wally_in_Cincy
11-10-2007, 07:08 PM
Gayle,

It's not a sin to be rich if you share it with the needy (notice I did not say "poor". Poor can be the result of lazinesss. "Needy" is the result of bad luck-think widows and orphans).

The Christians you deride so much play a great part in taking care of the needy.

Please let me know if there are any more questions you need answered.

Drop1
11-10-2007, 07:28 PM
Most of the money,for Catholic Charities money,comes from the government. The great Church based institutions,were created in the nineteenth century,but not so today,with the government support given to Faith based charities. In 2006,the budget for the Boston Archdioceses was $40 million,most from the government. The myth of separation of Church and State continues.

nAz
11-10-2007, 07:43 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> Gayle,

It's not a sin to be rich if you share it with the needy (notice I did not say "poor". Poor can be the result of lazinesss. "Needy" is the result of bad luck-think widows and orphans).

The Christians you deride so much play a great part in taking care of the needy.

Please let me know if there are any more questions you need answered. <hr /></blockquote>

Wally let ask you something im not clear on... those people who are deemed needy by you would they have to convert if they are not Christian or at least entertain the the thought of converting to receive your charities?

i only ask because it does not make sense to me to give to the "needy" if their gonna keep worshiping a false god.

eg8r
11-10-2007, 10:00 PM
[ QUOTE ]
The Grand Coalition? Where is Jesus?
<hr /></blockquote> Don't you worry, he is everywhere.

eg8r

eg8r
11-10-2007, 10:01 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Wally let ask you something im not clear on... those people who are deemed needy by you would they have to convert if they are not Christian or at least entertain the the thought of converting to receive your charities? <hr /></blockquote> If you really want to know, just read the Bible. If you think your are funny, well then keep it up, sooner or later you will get one in.

eg8r

eg8r
11-10-2007, 10:04 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Of course, Jezus didnt really exist, allmost a total fabrikation. <hr /></blockquote> Usually the dumb spelling cracks me up, but nothing beats this quote. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif He did not exist and his story is "almost" a total fabrication? LOL, you need to quit letting that website think for you.

eg8r

wolfdancer
11-10-2007, 10:20 PM
nAz, there are no poor anymore...LWW has cited a study( on AZB) that shows they are getting richer...most now have cable, tv, a/c and two cars in their garage....all this on the money they make from pan handling, or feeding a family of four on Wal Mart wages. Soon they'll have season tickets to the Opera, Ballet, Symphony.
I was going to go back to the Bay Area and tell the people in line for food, for a room for the nite, for just to be able to use the toilet, or the ones with all their worldly possessions in the stolen shopping cart....how lucky the were with this new enriched quality of living....

nAz
11-11-2007, 03:29 AM
uh Ed this was a serious question on my part... i would have welcomed an honest answer.

as for funny...

http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/images2/bilicki.jpg

http://cagle.com/news/PopeRemarks/images/wolverton.jpg

nAz
11-11-2007, 03:31 AM
hey jack let me ask you something... do you think Jesus was a communist or more of a socialist?

Gayle in MD
11-11-2007, 08:26 AM
I think I can answer that for you my dear friend. he was neither, he was a liberal. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Gayle in MD
11-11-2007, 08:42 AM
Oh really? Is it a sin if you steal your money from hard working people, for your own greedy little purposes, and then use the profits to set yourself up to advance more stealing in your future?

Wally, you, Ed, Steve, Deeman, are all good folks, I'm sure, but you're all the last people whose ideas about charity and compassion would hold any wieght with me, and in fact, I don't think any of you have a grasp on Democracy, either.

As for Jesus, He wouldn't have questioned how or why a person became hungry, or cold, or ill, he would have just given his cloak, and emptied his cupboards, to share with them what he had.

Of all president's of my adulthood, and those before, whose histories I have read, this so called Christian, is the least in line with the philosophies of Jesus.

I'd like to remind you, Jesus did not write any of the Bibles. Men wrote them. Ask any woman, and she will tell you that men are the biggest gossips on the earth, hence, the bible has little importance to me. It is chock full of inhumane, contradictory, and pious Bull****.

When we used to take ou little drives to Florida, my Dad had the trunk full of food and clothes. When he pulled up in a driveway where he saw little kids running around in the cold, without coasts, and sometimes, even without shoes, he never asked the parents why they were not able to provide. He hardly ever went to church, btw. Nor did my Mom. If there is a hell, I'm quite sure they're not there.

Also, I've read the history of Christianity. It's a real horror story, for sure.

Gayle in Md.

hondo
11-11-2007, 09:51 AM
LOL! Their favorite line from Jesus was " There
will always be poor"

wolfdancer
11-11-2007, 12:05 PM
I had an economics teacher once that proclaimed, Christ and the Apostles were the first Communists....but I think Socialists would be a better label.
He was also the first one to explain the "two Cows" theory to me....It may have been revised since...but here's the modern version:
A description of the different types of government:

FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.

BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as the regulations say you should need.

FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk.

PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.

DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

SINGAPOREAN DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment.

MILITARIANISM: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.

PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.

REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.

AMERICAN DEMOCRACY: The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it. After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures. The press dubs the affair "Cowgate".

BRITISH DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. You feed them sheeps' brains and they go mad. The government doesn't do anything.

BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows..

ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows.

CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

HONG KONG CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly - listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother - in - law at the bank, then execute a debt / equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows. The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company. The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the fung shiu is bad.

ENVIRONMENTALISM: You have two cows. The government bans you from milking or killing them.

FEMINISM: You have two cows. They get married and adopt a veal calf.

TOTALITARIANISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and denies they ever existed. Milk is banned.

COUNTER CULTURE: Wow, dude, there's like... these two cows, man. You got to have some of this milk.

SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

LIBERTARIANISM: You have two cows. One has actually read the constitution, believes in it, and has some really good ideas about government. The cow runs for office, and while most people agree that the cow is the best candidate, nobody except the other cow votes for her because they think it would be "throwing their vote away."

DickLeonard
11-11-2007, 03:37 PM
Wally in Cinci The Christians Gayle derides are making People in Iraq needy, for our greed of Oil. Lied us into a War not a Sin in their book. Killed thousands of Innocent people not a sin in their Book. They give to the Rich and #### the poor not a sin in their book. Pray for Peace not a solution in their book just give them an AK47. ####

Chopstick
11-12-2007, 08:58 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> I think I can answer that for you my dear friend. he was neither, he was a liberal. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>


<font color="blue">Really? How many neo-leftist carpenters have you ever met? </font color>

Gayle in MD
11-12-2007, 09:16 AM
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Gayle in MD
11-12-2007, 09:24 AM
FYI, Joseph was the carpenter. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Deeman3
11-12-2007, 09:39 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>
Wally, you, Ed, Steve, Deeman, are all good folks, I'm sure, but you're all the last people whose ideas about charity and compassion would hold any wieght with me, and in fact, I don't think any of you have a grasp on Democracy, either.

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> It is not unusual to see you questioning a group of us on our charity and compassion while holding up your father's reported good works decades ago as an example of his good works getting him into heaven. Your assumption that we have built our success off the backs of others "stealing money from hard working people for your greedy little purposes."

You leave us a picture of yourself a self proclaimed saint daily ministering to the wounded soldiers while we sulk in hatred of the poor and our il gained wealth? What gives you the right to judge how we accumulated our wealth while you are off on your yacht when not ministering to the needy and Bush harmed soldiers?

Do I ask the faith of the people I give to? No, I don't!

Have I ever shown you that I do not understand democracy? That I don't fully support it?

Thankfully, you are not our judge, no matter how you pretent to "care" more than those who may not feel the need to "sell" their charitible activities to elevate their status as careing people. Your attempts to invalidate their opinions by playing the "I am on higher moral ground" is a typical ploy to stop dialog or to garner support via self elevation.

We are so proud that your father was certainly much more charitable than ours ever could have been. If I saw my father do things that made me proud, and I did, it won't be used as an "example" of my charity. That's certainly between me and my God. Like military service, some do it without need for a spotlight.

Don't assume anything from on high and certainly don't assume you know our hearts.

SKennedy
11-12-2007, 10:17 AM
Wow! Right on the money!
Thanks Deeman.

Gayle in MD
11-12-2007, 03:42 PM
It is not unusual to see you questioning a group of us on our charity and compassion while holding up your father's reported good works decades ago as an example of his good works getting him into heaven. <font color="red">My father never did anything in order to get into heaven, I assure you, he wasn't that self motivated. </font color> Your assumption that we have built our success off the backs of others "stealing money from hard working people for your greedy little purposes." <font color="red">I wasn't talking about any of you personally, regarding stealing money from the poor, to give it to the corporate fascist pigs, I was talking about George Bush, his tax policies, and his foreing policy to invade another country, in order to get oil contracts for his former business partners, under the false pretenses of mushroom clouds, you recall that, right, and then you went back out and voted for him a second time? </font color>

You leave us a picture of yourself a self proclaimed saint <font color="red">LOL, that's a good one, I believe my description was that I was a bawdy old bird, chock full of opinions, and without concern for the condemnation of others who bash me for them. </font color> daily ministering to the wounded soldiers <font color="red">Again, I've never said that. </font color> while we sulk in hatred of the poor and our il gained wealth? <font color="red">hey, kool it, Deeman, I've never said a word about your money, or how you made it. I couldn't care less, frankly. I am disgusted with the Republican policies of taking our tax dollars, and them reducing any services, right down to a decent education in public schools, so they can subsidize the filthy rich CEO's in this country, and particularly in the oil arena. </font color> What gives you the right to judge how we accumulated our wealth while you are off on your yacht when not ministering to the needy and Bush harmed soldiers? <font color="red">Again, should have been obvious after my other posts, that my stance is against this administration's use of tax dollars, and subsidies, and breaks, that go against what is best for Americans, you know, the little people? The only ones who actually pay any taxes, as Leona said. </font color>

Do I ask the faith of the people I give to? No, I don't!

<font color="red">I really couldn't care less what you do. </font color>

Have I ever shown you that I do not understand democracy? That I don't fully support it? <font color="red"> Why yes, you have, as a matter of fact, since you call abortion baby killing, and have stated that you go to meetings which seek to remove aall women's rights of choice, according to your religious philosophies, I don't think you do understand our democracy, nor do I think any of the Republican party does, and particularly the Christian Coalition. </font color>

Thankfully, you are not our judge, <font color="red">but you are mine, correct? LMAO...chill. </font color> no matter how you pretent to "care" more than those who may not feel the need to "sell" their charitible activities to elevate their status as careing people. <font color="red">right, I've always been so concerned about how I come off around here. </font color> Your attempts to invalidate their opinions by playing the "I am on higher moral ground" is a typical ploy to stop dialog or to garner support via self elevation. <font color="red">I'm sure you'd never do such a self serving things as that. We all know how devoted to humility you are, given that you bashed me first, for my own ideas, after I made my first political post, and continued for months to do so, but it didn't get you anywhere, did it. </font color>

We are so proud that your father was certainly much more charitable than ours ever could have been. <font color="red">O dopn't recall mentioning your fathers' ever. </font color> If I saw my father do things that made me proud, and I did, it won't be used as an "example" of my charity. <font color="red">It was used as an example of what charity is all about. don't try to tell me that the right on this forum hasn't framed those in need, over and over again, as being lazy, stupid, dumb, ignorant, over and over. The minute antything comes up about money for sick kids, the poor, the victims of a hurricane, it's always the same damned thing, it's their own fault, right? </font color> That's certainly between me and my God. Like military service, some do it without need for a spotlight.

Don't assume anything from on high and certainly don't assume you know our hearts. <font color="red">As you have from the very beginning, you assumed you knew mine? Get the hell off your own high horse, Deeman, wassamatta, bad hair day? </font color>

Gayle in MD
11-12-2007, 03:57 PM
Right, and with their votes, they make damn sure.

Oh, and all these people who were hustled by the RE agenst, and the loan officers from the banks who sold them all the no interest loans, and then sold the loans to others, who then further bilked them, well, as we know, according to the right, it was all their own fault.

WE have a system. Corporations can do ANYTHING! As long as it enhances their botoom line. they can sell us poison toys for our kids, pollute our air and water, help to launch un-necessary, illegal occupations with their contributions to their fascist friends, sell us poison toothpaste, and use their political connections to keep the illegals flowing across our borders for their cheap labor, and it's all our own fault for buying their products. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif On top of that, they get to select which political candidates have a shot at the presidency, and pay off our politicians so they con continue to poison us, and send our troops to die for their opportunities at being war profiteering pos. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

SKennedy
11-12-2007, 04:07 PM
I hope all roads where Gayle lives are 1-way, don't think she can handle a 2-way street. And, hopefully I won't have to explain that comment to her. Maybe Deeman will take the time to do so, if necessary.

Deeman3
11-12-2007, 04:07 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>

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Have I ever shown you that I do not understand democracy? That I don't fully support it? <font color="red"> Why yes, you have, as a matter of fact, since you call abortion baby killing, and have stated that you go to meetings which seek to remove aall women's rights of choice, according to your religious philosophies, I don't think you do understand our democracy, nor do I think any of the Republican party does, and particularly the Christian Coalition. </font color>

<font color="purple"> You'll have to refresh my memory about my attending meetings to remove women's rights as I clearly remember saying while I don't personally like abortion, I do not support taking that choice away. My faith has never caused me to take anything away from women. Again, I believe you are lumping all people right of you into a right wing box. Just what you accuse many others of doing.

I think you are having lapses of memory. </font color>

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SKennedy
11-12-2007, 04:10 PM
Call it what it is...senility?

Gayle in MD
11-12-2007, 04:34 PM
Knowing you it was probably a joke, only mentioned to annoy me, whom you once stated was your favorite person to go after, or annoy, remember? That was around the time you called me a wannabe elitist, among other things. You also said, in a post, that you were attending an anti baby killing meeting over the weekend. A disgusting remark to make about women who have had abortions. Very much like insisting that gay people are the way they are because they WANT to be. Another disgusting "Christian" point of view. Such comments certainly don't lead me to view people in a light of compassion, tolerance for the circumstances of others, or empathy, regardless of how much they profess to be Christains. That is just the kind of exclusion and judgmental ideology which make this world more difficult for others, not more loving. It is also what every person who tries to give understanding and accpetance to others, in the interest of a better world for all, should speak out against, IMO.



[ QUOTE ]
Again, I believe you are lumping all people right of you into a right wing box. Just what you accuse many others of doing.

I think you are having lapses of memory.
<hr /></blockquote>

I think you (And SKennedy) are lumping all people left of you as dangerous, radical liberals, a ideological circumstance which you once so pomposly stated that you outgrew, and also, you're having lapses of memory. /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Here's a question for both of you, why aren't you mad at George Bush, for the lies he told to all of us, and all the lives that have been lost because of it? Instead of being mad at people who speak against such outrageous incompetence, and deciet?

Deeman3
11-12-2007, 04:48 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>
Here's a question for both of you, why aren't you mad at George Bush, for the lies he told to all of us, and all the lives that have been lost because of it? <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> A am mad at George Bush, just not for the same reasons as you. </font color>

Gayle in MD
11-12-2007, 05:08 PM
Gee dick, I'm glad atleast a few here understood where I was aiming my comments. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I guess we old dried up senile SOB's still have some reading ability left, huh? /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

wolfdancer
11-12-2007, 05:12 PM
I don't know where Jesus is, but he sent me an email the other day...Jesus K Jenkins.
It seems that Jesus was concerned about my size, and wants me to try MegaDik....
Well, I just can't go out and buy something, even on Jesus word...so I Googled and found this product endorsement:

TESTIMONIAL:

"I have tried on and off with pumps and other pills. I even tried stretching my penis, but nothing I did added any decent length to my already 12" of man pipe. After taking Megadik for 6 months...I am now 36" long down there, and the ladies usually pass out once they see my penis. This has greatly increased my sex-life because now there is no struggle...they simply lay there unconscious as I finish up. Thank you Megadik"
Think about the danger there... most urinals and toilets don't allow for that much clearance...you could drown your...
And another tragic case:
A guy tried Viagara, but the pill lodged in his throat, giving him a stiff neck

SKennedy
11-12-2007, 05:36 PM
Speaking of e-mails......have you got the ones about the new legal "buds?" I could grow out my hair, smoke a few doobies, and join the anti-war crowd....all over again! Gayle! Quit bogarting that legal "bud" joint! LOL...

hondo
11-12-2007, 10:17 PM
I understand that guy's problem.
I've always found the water in toilets to be cold &amp; deep. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif