View Full Version : interesting article in the NYT

11-09-2007, 03:10 PM
buried on page 19 for some reason

web page (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/world/middleeast/08iraq.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

11-09-2007, 03:45 PM
Just wait, they'll figure out a way to portray this as a defeat for the Bush Administration.
After all, it was just a few short weeks ago the Dems were lining up to call Petraeus a liar.

Bad news for the Dems. though. They so wanted their dreams of defeat to come true. Now they'll just have to rely on their ideas for the country. And since they are sadly wanting in that dept., could be another Rep. President in '08.

11-09-2007, 06:54 PM
What? You didn't expect something like this to be on the front page, did you? We can't have any good news about the war making headlines. Besides, he's probably just another one of those Generals who panders to whatever the President wants him to say. You know, the only Generals who don't lie, are the ones that disagree with the administration. He's just another puppet of the administration. Just like Petreaus!

There you go...I just saved all the Dems on here the trouble of responding.


11-10-2007, 03:52 AM
Yet not a single moonbat here has the testicular/ovarian fortitude to face the fact that the surge worked.


11-10-2007, 01:33 PM
like i said before i hope it works out over there, enough is enough already.
got to wonder what will happens when the surge is over?

11-10-2007, 02:04 PM
Keep on hoping - it's helping.

Troop Surge, Iraqis’ Anger Puts al Qaeda ‘On the Run’
By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Nov. 7, 2007 – A combination of unceasing pressure by U.S. and Iraqi security forces and citizens’ anger at al Qaeda in Iraq’s brutal tactics have put the terror group “on the run,” a senior U.S. military officer said today. (Video)
“The surge in operations centered in Baghdad and the surrounding belts and up in the Diyala River Valley have driven much of al Qaeda into the rural areas and has caused them to flee northward,” Navy Rear Adm. Gregory J. Smith, a Multinational Force Iraq spokesman, told reporters at a Baghdad news conference.

The recently launched Operation Iron Hammer is designed to prevent fleeing al Qaeda operatives from re-establishing safe havens and networks, Smith said. Three U.S. brigade combat teams and three Iraqi army divisions are participating in the large-scale offensive, which stretches across four provinces in northern Iraq, he said.

Previous operations resulted in the capture of 35 al Qaeda in Iraq insurgents in October, Smith reported, noting six of those detainees are senior terrorist leaders.

“The targeting of (al Qaeda in Iraq) leadership and their networks has contributed to the downward trend in violence we are seeing across Iraq,” the admiral said.

Iraqi security forces are gaining in numbers and effectiveness and are increasingly taking the lead during anti-insurgent operations, Smith said. Iraqi commandos recently captured an entire group of terrorists during a raid west of Ramadi, he said. “The precision operation captured all four primary targets in this cell and four other suspects,” Smith reported.

More than 67,000 concerned Iraqi citizen-volunteers also are contributing in the fight against the terrorists, Smith said. In October, he said, troops from Multinational Division North found and cleared 72 weapons caches, 40 of which were discovered by concerned local citizens.

Ordnance confiscated in these caches “are no longer in the hands of al Qaeda and will not kill innocent civilians or be used to attack security forces,” Smith said.

Iraqi citizens are fed up with al Qaeda-committed murders, beatings, kidnappings and other outrages, the admiral said. “The combination of al Qaeda’s barbaric behavior of torture, execution and car bombings, as well as their extreme Taliban-like doctrine, has persuaded Iraqi citizens to join the fight and defeat these terrorists,” he said.

As the security situation improves, coalition forces continue to assist Iraqi reconstruction efforts, Smith said. Coalition forces invested more than $2.6 million in grants to Iraqi businesses so far this year, he said.

However, al Qaeda in Iraq will continue attempts to commit high-profile attacks against Iraqi citizens and coalition and Iraqi forces, Smith cautioned. The terror group, he added, is attempting to replace its lost leadership.

Meanwhile, U.S., coalition and Iraqi forces are keeping up the pressure on al Qaeda and their networks in Iraq, Smith said, noting there’s still a lot of work to do.

Al Qaeda in Iraq now realizes that it does not have freedom of movement in Iraq, Smith said. The terror group also “knows that the Iraqi people do not trust them,” he added.

As a result, al Qaeda operatives in Iraq are “on the run,” Smith observed. The insurgents realize they have dwindling maneuvering room, he said, and “the Iraqi people are just not going to put up” with them.

Rear Adm. Gregory J. Smith, USN

11-10-2007, 02:44 PM
I'll keep hoping everyone does... just one thing if this doesn't work after the surge is over and the troop number go down i hope you and others will start to ask the current and next admin. to get out of Iraq... either that or start to volunteer for service i think we will need more troops in the coming years.

anyway i believe one of the real reasons the surge seems to be working is that sectarian violence is down, reason that its down has manly to do with that civil war they are having. a lot of these towns and neighborhoods in and around Bagdad have been divided up between Shia and Sunni so it is getting harder for them to kill each other.
for example the Sunni triangle area has been pretty much cleansed of Shia family's and mosques so things have calmed down there... beside that having troops on nearly every corners with 50cal machine guns tends to keep people in check. lets see what happens after they withdrawal hopefully it will work out...
oh yeah if it does work out it will prove that Gen. Eric K. Shinseki was right when he told the POTUS and his minions that Iraq needs more troop after the war, wonder how many American and Iraqi lives would have been saved if they had listen to him and the other proffesionals before the war.

11-10-2007, 03:13 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2CI1_1fILs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2CI1_1fILs)

11-10-2007, 07:25 PM
and Gayle says:

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Bush evil

Thanks for the link Bobby