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S0Noma
11-10-2007, 02:19 PM
Down in Alabama, vibrators seem to pose a greater threat than firearms to the safety and morality of citizens.

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Female orgasm = more dangerous than a semiautomatic weapon?



Last month, the Supreme Court refused to hear the "Alabama sex-toy case," ending an almost 10-year battle since the law's enactment in 1998, which banned the sell of sex toys. Sherri Williams, a plaintiff and Alabama sex shop owner, refuses to give up hope. "They are going to have to pry this vibrator from my cold, dead hand," she told The Associated Press.

While states like Colorado, Kansas, and Louisiana have deemed similar laws unconstitutional, Alabama joins other states such as Georgia, Mississippi and Texas who have upheld sex-toy bans, citing concern for the "morality of the state" in doing so. Texas has a limit on the number of "obscene devices" one can own, because the government says owning too many indicates the intent to sell.

Those residents of Alabama desperate to find certain vibrating objects of pleasure in their state can still satisfy their desires, albeit without any blatant sex labels. Regular vibrators and body massagers remain on the shelves because they are not marketed specifically for sexual purposes. As long as the product doesn't look particularly phallic, lawmakers are not concerned.

According to Alabama's Anti-Obscenity Enforcement act, the commercial distribution of "any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs for anything of pecuniary value" is prohibited. However, only the sale of such items is forbidden, so one can use, possess or "gratuitously distribute" to their heart's content. The law excuses sales of sexual devices for any "medical, scientific, educational, legislative, judicial or law enforcement purpose." It isn't immediately clear why law enforcement might need sex toys. But while the Alabama court may not want everyday citizens enjoying the thrill of their hot pink vibrator, perhaps Alabama's law enforcement will add a new kind of holster to their gun belt.

The medical exemption can be applied in several ways, such as those who are handicapped or sexually dysfunctional. To a certain Catholic priest in Wisconsin, however, that is no excuse. Earlier this year, he dismissed his church's organist and choir director for her involvement in selling sex toys on the side. Although she said she was involved with the business to help other women, as she became sexually dysfunctional after her brain tumor and treatment, the priest said her behavior was "not consistent with Church teachings." As The Associated Press suggests, her attention certainly did seem to fall on the wrong organ.

The penalty for disobeying the Alabama ban includes a $10,000 fine and up to one year in jail for a first-time offender. Selling a pistol to a minor, on the other hand, results in a maximum fine of $500. So hand a child a Heckler & Koch handgun and pay the few hundred-dollar fine, but forget selling the latest Adam & Eve Chameleon [censored] unless you wish to wear handcuffs … of the non-furry variety.

The vibrator was first used in the late 1800s as a way to cure "hysteria" in women who were unable to achieve orgasm through sex alone. The medical use faded in the 1920s when the vibrator began to be used in the porn industry, now seen as something "sexy." Legislators in these Southern states still fear these sexy stimulation devices, failing to realize the foreboding return of such hysterical, anorgasmic women … but "moral" citizens nevertheless.

web page (http://media.www.vanderbiltorbis.com/media/storage/paper983/news/2007/11/07/Newsfeatures/SexToy.Hysteria.In.Alabama-3087245.shtml)

wolfdancer
11-10-2007, 05:11 PM
Would banging a blow up doll be considered a safe alternative to the dangerous sex toys?...in Ala?
web page (http://www.break.com/index/caught_banging_blow_up_doll.html)

S0Noma
11-10-2007, 05:30 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> Would banging a blow up doll be considered a safe alternative to the dangerous sex toys?...in Ala?
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Jack, they have to keep em out of the State or good old boys like Bamadog run the risk of being out-competed!

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wolfdancer
11-10-2007, 05:41 PM
Say, that little gal still has a chance to live...at least she didn't violate any miscegenation laws down there, with a pink toy.

wolfdancer
11-10-2007, 06:16 PM
So, no Kabukicho district in Ala? How droll
web page (http://www.radaronline.com/features/misc_content/060908_japan/index.php)

DickLeonard
11-11-2007, 03:49 PM
Sonoma I pray for our Dear friend Deeman getting caught up in this Scandal.####

S0Noma
11-11-2007, 04:17 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr> Sonoma I pray for our Dear friend Deeman getting caught up in this Scandal.#### <hr /></blockquote>

Well, Dick, truth is that I hold our friend Deeman in the highest esteem. In fact there's not a conservative on this board that I didn't grow to like back when I used to posted here regularly.

It's the three a-holes from AZB whose professed purpose for coming here was to ride roughshod over this forum with whom I take offense.

Sonoma

ps. Good to hear from you Dick - glad to see you're not dead yet.

Bobbyrx
11-11-2007, 04:25 PM
Hey, our Anti-Obscenity Enforcement act has been shown to keep these type people out of our state.....and if we can do that, we don't need our guns so much......web page (http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/) San Francisco is still in California isn't it??

wolfdancer
11-11-2007, 04:54 PM
It speaks volumes against the wrecking crew, that both Deeman, and Ed, have offered no support for them. As I wrote it's one thing to debate the news...it's another to believe you are the news...looks like it might be "veni,vidi, vamoose" time.
Yeah, i know I wrote something similar in an earlier email...but
" a line is a terrible thing to waste"...
The Smoky the bear cartoon was a great put down on our resident forest fire expert

S0Noma
11-11-2007, 05:23 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Bobbyrx:</font><hr> Hey, our Anti-Obscenity Enforcement act has been shown to keep these type people out of our state.....and if we can do that, we don't need our guns so much......web page (http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/) San Francisco is still in California isn't it?? <hr /></blockquote>

It sure is - same as the Westboro Baptist Church is still in Kansas City and Kansas City is still in America's heartland.

You think the good, wholesome, God fearing, Baptist folks who picket military funerals across the Nation have a leg up on those sinners in SF?

I don't.

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wolfdancer
11-11-2007, 06:15 PM
You have to admit, they are pretty avant-garde in SF, light years ahead of any mid-America protest groups. I think one guy though, should look into them there penis enlargement ads.
Weighing the two groups of photos....I'd have to say your's were the most troublesome...I don't know what brand of religion would post those signs, but maybe the Rev.Wally World knows???? web page (http://www.welcometowallyworld.com/affiliate-elite/)

SKennedy
11-11-2007, 07:06 PM
SONoma,
You and I agree 100% on this one. These people may call themselves baptist, but they do not represent me or any decent christian. They are a complete disgrace to themselves, organized religion and to America, imho.

SKennedy
11-11-2007, 07:09 PM
Good grief...
I gotta admit we also agree on the vibrator issue....I don't care how many you own and what consenting adults do with them. That is their business and it has nothing to do with me....All I can say is.....change batteries when needed!

SKennedy
11-11-2007, 07:14 PM
SONoma,
Since we are 2 for 2 on agreement, does this mean I am becoming more moderate? Please....will one of my conservative fellows please pull me back???

wolfdancer
11-11-2007, 07:20 PM
change batteries when needed!
I agree....nothing ruins that scenario like a power failure.
Maybe they'll come out with a solar powered one
web page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stZuKReSoRU)

SKennedy
11-11-2007, 07:31 PM
Now wolf? When you talk about power failures are you talking about our aging bodies or batteries? You and I are old enough to know that vibrators can be useful....or at least when I feel lazy.

wolfdancer
11-11-2007, 07:47 PM
"I know nothing, nothing " Sergeant Schultz
and I ain't admitting nothing either....

wolfdancer
11-11-2007, 07:49 PM
you're yielding to the power of the dark side....
Repent, before you are caught in it's vortex

S0Noma
11-11-2007, 08:02 PM
Skennedy we are willing to make you an offer you can't refuse.






Jack, it's time to make the traditional offer to SKennedy. Remember how well it's worked in the past?

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SKennedy
11-11-2007, 08:50 PM
You guys are too much fun! It's nice to not take things too seriously!

SKennedy
11-11-2007, 08:50 PM
You guys are too much fun! It's nice to not take things too seriously!

wolfdancer
11-11-2007, 09:21 PM
Hey, that cracked me up.....lol

wolfdancer
11-11-2007, 09:22 PM
don't tell Ed that

sack316
11-11-2007, 09:49 PM
hmm, interesting. I knew of the law in a general sense, but have since assumed something had changed about it... as the Montgomery and Prattville (my town) area have seen a bit of a boom in "sex shops" over the last few years.

And when I've been in there... oh let's just say for educational research shall we... I did not notice a shortage of phallic representation. Granted there were plenty of "massage wands" and such, some of them were pretty **ahem** lifelike.

*note: said "research" was being done with a female counterpart, not for my own personal use lol*

Also, the shelves are lined with porn of the hardcore variety. "Why mention this" you may ask? Because up until these places started popping up, the only pornography that was legal here in Bama was softcore (such as what you may see in Cinemax). So I'm thinking the law may be different than what is reported in the article posted. I could be wrong as far as what the law actually is these days, but rest assured many places here can outdo the backroom of a Panama City Beach Novelty shop now.

Plus, as I mentioned, one of these places is in my home of Prattville... the city that fought for about a decade to eventually force our lone strip club out of town... the place that has more churches than some towns three times it's size... and I'm not even mentioning the hell they put you through just to get a liquor license here. So IF such a place were deemed illegal in Bama, I think our lovely X-Mart would likely be the first place to go.

But perhaps I've said too much /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sack

Deeman3
11-12-2007, 08:20 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DickLeonard:</font><hr> Sonoma I pray for our Dear friend Deeman getting caught up in this Scandal.#### <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue">Dick,

Now I'm getting suspicious about DeeWoman tossing that 20 pack of "D" cells into the grocery caret every week! Hum? </font color>

Bobbyrx
11-12-2007, 09:46 AM
Oh I see. You post something making fun of Alabama, so I show that although we are far from perfect, we don't hold a candle to the wonderful citizens of California. Then you come back with something about Kansas? I guess now I'll have to bash Rhode Island....

S0Noma
11-12-2007, 10:45 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Bobbyrx:</font><hr> Oh I see. You post something making fun of Alabama, so I show that although we are far from perfect, we don't hold a candle to the wonderful citizens of California. Then you come back with something about Kansas? I guess now I'll have to bash Rhode Island.... <hr /></blockquote>

Well, Bobby, if you want to be entirely accurate the original link I posted was poking fun at an absurd law.

If you wished to stay on target (and on topic) and you wanted to redeem your State by comparing it's dumb laws to those of California - you should have responded with an example of an equally absurd law that had been recently passed here in California (BTW: I'm betting that we have our fair share.)

Instead you chose to change the topic to war protesters -

Maybe you can help me out here? What's the connection between war protesters in San Francisco and a ridiculous law against the sale of sex toys in Alabama?

I responded to your effort to turn the thread into an attack on war protesters in California by comparing the SF protesters to Baptist war protesters in the Bible Belt.

Which was basically my way of showing that, in spite of your efforts to prove otherwise, we Californians don't have a corner on radical war protesters.

Now you want to hold me to blame for the fact that you chose to stray off-topic? No way, bro.

The original topic had little to do with the wonderful citizens of either of our States and everything to do with stupid laws.

Now, if you want to redefine this argument and make a claim that stupid laws are allowed to get passed in your State because of stupid citizens and that Alabama doesn't have a corner on either?

I'm ready to listen.

Until then, stop you're misdirected finger pointing and try to stay on track, ok?

Hope this helps.

Sonoma

Bobbyrx
11-12-2007, 11:26 AM
Sorry, I guess I'm being too sensitive. Since your earlier post of "Did you ever wonder where racist, uneducated Southerners in the 19th century got the idea that slaves were just property and not people? " without mentioning that Blacks along with Chinese and Indians were inslaved in California and then "Down in Alabama, vibrators seem to pose a greater threat than firearms to the safety and morality of citizens" , I thought I saw a pattern, But I guess I over-reacted, sorry...

S0Noma
11-12-2007, 12:13 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Bobbyrx:</font><hr> Sorry, I guess I'm being too sensitive. Since your earlier post of "Did you ever wonder where racist, uneducated Southerners in the 19th century got the idea that slaves were just property and not people? " without mentioning that Blacks along with Chinese and Indians were inslaved in California and then "Down in Alabama, vibrators seem to pose a greater threat than firearms to the safety and morality of citizens" , I thought I saw a pattern, But I guess I over-reacted, sorry...
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Thanks for the response Bobby. It was rational and well thought out.

You are correct that there were slaves in California just as there were slaves in both Southern and Northern States prior to the Civil War. The difference, although it may seem minor, is that California wasn't a State at the time.

If you want to look deeper into how the Bible was used to justify slavery in the Southern States - check out the history of the Southern Baptists as one example. Read up on why it was that they split from the 'main' Baptist Church back when they did. You might find it interesting.

Here's an excerpt from a wikipedia site regarding 'Southern Baptists' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Baptist_Convention#The_SBC_is_formed) :

Birth pains

By the early 1800s, numerous social, cultural, economic, and political differences existed between the business owners of the North, the farmers of the West, and the planters of the South. Three separate Baptist national societies existed by 1840: The Triennial Convention, the Home Mission Society, and Baptists in the South.

Slavery was the "most critical" issue among Baptists. They believed that the Bible supported the practice of slavery, and they also wanted to preserve the rights of ministers to own slaves.[2] The Triennial Convention and the Home Mission Society reaffirmed their neutrality concerning slavery. Georgia Baptists decided to test the claimed neutrality by recommending a slaveholder to the Home Mission Society as a missionary in the South. Home Mission Society's board decided that they would not appoint a slaveholder as a missionary, a decision that the Baptists in the South saw as an infringement of their equal rights.[3] This position on slavery and racial superiority was not officially denounced until June 20, 1995 when a formal "Declaration of Repentance" was issued by the SBC.[4][5]

A secondary issue that disturbed the churches in the south was the perception that the American Baptist Home Mission Society (org. 1832) did not appoint a proportionate number of missionaries to the southern region of the U.S., a likely result of the the Society not appointing slaveholders as missionaries. [6]

In addition, Baptists both north and south preferred different types of denominational organization: the Baptists in the north preferred a loosely structured society composed of individuals who paid annual dues, with each society usually focused on a single ministry. Baptists in southern churches preferred an more centralized organization of congregations composed of churches patterned after their associations, with a variety of ministries brought under the direction of one denominational organization.[7]

[edit] The SBC is formed

The discontent of Baptists from the south eventually led to their withdrawal from the national Baptist organizations. At an Augusta, Georgia meeting in May 1845, they formed a new convention and named it the Southern Baptist Convention. They elected as its first president William Bullein Johnson (1782-1862), who had served as president of the Triennial Convention in 1841.

The consequences of the decision to separate from other Baptists in defense of the institution of slavery have been long lived. A survey by SBC's Home Mission Board in 1968 showed that only eleven percent of Southern Baptist churches would admit Americans of African descent.[8] During the SBC Conservative Resurgence/Fundamentalist Takeover the Southern Baptist Convention of 1995 voted to adopt a resolution renouncing its racist roots and apologizing for its past defense of slavery.[9] The racism resolution marked the denomination's first formal acknowledgment that racism played a role in its founding. Today there are many diverse and even self-consciously ethnic churches within the convention.

Looking forward to further discussion with you if you're interested in pursuing this particular topic.

Sonoma

Chopstick
11-12-2007, 12:16 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Bobbyrx:</font><hr> Sorry, I guess I'm being too sensitive. Since your earlier post of "Did you ever wonder where racist, uneducated Southerners in the 19th century got the idea that slaves were just property and not people? " without mentioning that Blacks along with Chinese and Indians were inslaved in California and then "Down in Alabama, vibrators seem to pose a greater threat than firearms to the safety and morality of citizens" , I thought I saw a pattern, But I guess I over-reacted, sorry...
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Slavery was practiced in all states back then. Thomas Jefferson, "Mr. All men are created equal", owned lots of them. Yet, when someone says slavery they immediately think of the South. Ain't history convenient?

SKennedy
11-12-2007, 01:10 PM
The Bible has often been used by those with evil intentions. It's men that are bad, not the Bible. The enslavement of another human being is evil. Racism is evil. I grew up being told that Cain, in punishment of slaying his brother, was turned black by God and that all black men descended from Cain. Cain = bad, hence all black men are bad? Most members of the KKK will tell you they are Christians. My daughter goes to a very small private college with a high ratio of blacks and hispanics becuase of their athletic programs. Her roommate's Mother, who knows us, said she is very disappointed in my daughter since she saw my daughter talking with a group of black guys. That's right...just talking. Yet, she is a "fine, upstanding Christian lady?" She can be glad I haven't run across her yet! She can sit in church and act all "righteous," but she is still a bigot.
Religion and the Bible are not the problems. It's human nature and the way we are that's the problem.
I believe in Heaven and I also believe I will be there one day....I expect some will look around and be surprised at who else is there and even standing beside them (a black guy, the guy who frequented the pool hall and also drank, etc.), while they will also be surprised at who is not there (the church deacon, the one who was always at church and tithed heavily, the President of the baptist council, etc.).

I am also a Mason....32 degree Scottish Rite Mason, Shriner, and Past Master of a Lodge. I know that some of you will have issues with that as well.....but....I wanted to make one more point. I'm sitting at a Grand Lodge meeting (state level) and an issue came up about black youths and the masonic orphanage. A fellow Mason actually stood up and stated that as a consequence of allowing teen-age black boys into the orphanage, white tee-age girls would be getting raped. I could not believe my ears! I was embarrased by such a statement. What is more surprising is the number of people who would agree with such a statement.....including fellow christians. And organized religion wonders why some people view us as hypocrites. It's because we are human and we are hypocrites.
Sorry for the venting....

wolfdancer
11-12-2007, 01:28 PM
Her roommate's Mother, who knows us, said she is very disappointed in my daughter since she saw my daughter talking with a group of black guys. That's right...just talking.

That's how my family felt when my sister married an Italian
We've since forgiven her....

LAMas
11-12-2007, 01:49 PM
SK',
Whats the difference between a Mason and Freemason. I found Freemason on Wiki and find it's tenets admirable. Are people of any religeous persuasion allowed to join?
Adios

Deeman3
11-12-2007, 02:21 PM
Yes, as long as they profess faith in a surpreme being.

SKennedy
11-12-2007, 04:16 PM
A good hoagie and some pasta and I can forgive...

SKennedy
11-12-2007, 04:26 PM
They are the same. Masons include christians, jews, and muslims. As far as any "religious" requirement, you have to declare a belief in diety. Once you become a 3rd degree mason, you can "advance" further by participating in the Scottish Rite or the York Rite. The Scottish Rite is likely less offensive to a non-christian.
And contrary to what you may hear...Masonry is not a religion..and should never interfere or influence your religious beliefs.

DickLeonard
11-12-2007, 04:30 PM
Sonoma the AZB boys are a lot of fun, just don't pay any attention to them. Remember laughter is the best medicene and they provide us pure entertainment.

Now Hilliary is getting Blasted for planting a Question but this smacks of a Karl Rove trick. Planting a dummy in the press room to ask Limited Brain a series of questions. I think he still stumbled thru them.

I would demand to see the staffer that tried that. Karl probably planted her too.####

DickLeonard
11-12-2007, 04:35 PM
SKennedy "if they could mow the lawn there would be no need of us".####

nAz
11-12-2007, 05:48 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Chopstick:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Bobbyrx:</font><hr> Sorry, I guess I'm being too sensitive. Since your earlier post of "Did you ever wonder where racist, uneducated Southerners in the 19th century got the idea that slaves were just property and not people? " without mentioning that Blacks along with Chinese and Indians were inslaved in California and then "Down in Alabama, vibrators seem to pose a greater threat than firearms to the safety and morality of citizens" , I thought I saw a pattern, But I guess I over-reacted, sorry...
<hr /></blockquote>

Slavery was practiced in all states back then. Thomas Jefferson, "Mr. All men are created equal", owned lots of them. Yet, when someone says slavery they immediately think of the South. Ain't history convenient? <hr /></blockquote>

i don't know Chop, when i think of slavery i think of the south too... but mostly because when just about every northern state wanted to abolish it, the southern state refused to go along with it... that is probably why most everyone thinks it was a southern thing. besides TJ was about 50 years earlier and we all know he "whipped the women just around midnight"

SKennedy
11-12-2007, 05:52 PM
They gotta have somebody to nag at....Women nag men....Gayle nags Republicans....sorry Gayle..couldn't resist..meant only as a joke.