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Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 09:02 AM
So, Murdoch's people tried to get Bernie Kerick's mistress to lie to Federal Investigators about her affair with Kerick, (while his wife was carrying his baby, btw) in order to protect Rudy Giuliani from being discredited during his presidential bid.

I'm no fan of Judith Regan, the woman who was going to publish OJ's "If I Did It" confession, but obviously, anyone who would be listening to any election information on Faux News, The White House Propaganda Channel, should be advised that Murdoch has already chosen our next President, Giuliani, and has set about to cover up the dirty little secrets of his close comrad, Kerick, our almost Homeland Security Director!

Someone ought to run Murdoch out of the country, same guy who bilked his own mother with his tax bill!

What a POS!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/business/14regan.html?ex=1352696400&en=4637deb2edcc6047&ei= 5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 09:27 AM
While I don't like Rudy, he would make a much better President then Der Bush, and he seems to be the front runner among the Republican Candidates. It's always been said in the past that being Mayor of NYC is a dead end job, politically, so it'll be interesting if he wins the nomination.

Deeman3
11-14-2007, 09:29 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>Someone ought to run Murdoch out of the country, same guy who bilked his own mother with his tax bill!

<font color="blue">I agree, what is this guy thinking? He has no right to have a POV in a Democratic country like America! Next thing you know, we'll be giving these evil people from overseas driver's liscenses and such.

It is just not fair, I agree, that Fox News is unfairly holding viewership in numbers that are dangerous to the "real" news networks and must be stopped. If we can't even suppress this kind of opinion, what will we ever do now that Bush has taken all our free speech rights away and is hauling off journalist pell mell to prisons as our rights have disappeared.

Down with Murdock, ideas are dangerous, get him out of America, Now! Let's get this message of the left out! No more right wing news....

The left, "Let's have our cake and eat everyone else's too."</font color>

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SKennedy
11-14-2007, 09:39 AM
What? How dare a "voice of reason" challenge the elite!!
I hope you are packing to leave the country as I'm writing this.

Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 09:41 AM
A good amount of what is aired on a channel that pretends to be fair and balanced news, is fiction. Unfortunately, some people aren't aware of it, and hence, WMD BS influences important issues such as whether this country has a reason to launch a war.

A lie travels round the world before truth gets its pants on. The lies that have been aired on Fox, are still believed by large numbers of people in this country. You can make fun of it if you like, but I don't think it's a good thing for our country, and I might add, that Reagan's actions when he was in office, are part of the reason why we deal with so much propaganda, without any real fairness involved at all.

Keith Oberman, not that you'd be interested, exposes the Fox News lies nightly on his program, along with Lou Dobbs.

And yes, I think Rupert Murdoch is a pos, and a dangerous person.

Gayle in Md.

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 10:02 AM
It's not so much your opinions, but the crap you spew along with them that taints everything you have presented. Your views on Fox, Murdoch, Rudy, etc. are fine and dandy, but you don't do yourself or your positions any favors when you preach intolerance and hatred against those who do not agree with you. You'd be much more effective if you would just tone it down....but it wouldn't be nearly as much fun!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 10:03 AM
I don't mind it that this news mogul, hails from a third world, undeveloped country, and is now producing Newspeak and Doublethink on Fox news...not while we have Comedy Central as an alternative news source.
What I do mind is that he has purchased MySpace, and will soon be copying the...
" Nazi tactics for molding young minds and teaching group conformity. Perhaps today's psychological manipulations are simply a modern expression of human "wisdom" without biblical guidelines. However, it seems clear that U.S. and Nazi change agents share one tragic trait: the dearth of the kind of honesty and integrity that once made America safe for children.

That propaganda and indoctrination were two of the cornerstones of Nazi education is no secret. Hitler's goal was National Socialism, a fascist state that would subdue the world. Learning his lessons from Soviet revolutionaries, he knew that only cloaked promises and misleading visions could win the support of the unsuspecting masses -- and build a compliant army of young radicals"
Down with Rupert!!!!!

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 10:36 AM
That's right Deeman! Colleges have had the sole monopoly on influencing and shaping young impressionable minds for the leftist cause. This guy wants to come in and provide an alternative viewpoint? If only we had a man like Chavez running our country. He could fix this nonsense quickly! Chavez/Sheehan 2012!

Deeman3
11-14-2007, 11:14 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr>
" Nazi tactics for molding young minds and teaching group conformity. Perhaps today's psychological manipulations are simply a modern expression of human "wisdom" without biblical guidelines. However, it seems clear that U.S. and Nazi change agents share one tragic trait: the dearth of the kind of honesty and integrity that once made America safe for children.

<font color="blue">Wolfdancer,

I really don't think it is fair to the memory of millions of victims of Nazis that you pile Murdock and Fox News into that category where people were stripped of their rights, murdered, raped and starved to death. Nothing you have as valid information, even form the far left, supports that any such activity has been done by Murdock, by Fox News or even by the Bush Administration.

My America is still safe for children out side some states that activly protect child molesters and a permissive, "it's o.k. to do a drive by, Johnny." culture. By all standards of behaviour and law, even you should be willing to admit that the security policies of GWB pale in comparison to even Democratic Presidents both during war and outside war in the past. The very fact we have a Fox News and CBS, ABC and the public charity radio (NPR) is a voice for real freedom, not the very chasing out of America the people with opposite views as Gayle has advocated. Who are the real people against open dialog and discussion? Certainly not ones who advocate that I can't hear opposing views to the left. I think this forum proves my point every day. </font color>

That propaganda and indoctrination were two of the cornerstones of Nazi education is no secret. Hitler's goal was National Socialism, a fascist state that would subdue the world. Learning his lessons from Soviet revolutionaries, he knew that only cloaked promises and misleading visions could win the support of the unsuspecting masses -- and build a compliant army of young radicals"

<font color="blue"> This is especially misleading as the very fact that Gayle notes that a majority of the American people do not support the war is a celebration of our freedom, much different than you describe as "winning the support of unsuspecting masses." You mean, you know, much better than the masses, what they need? Is that not the true description of the National Socialism you describe? I don't believe I'd ever describe Hitler's goal as National Socialism (Social Equity?). My belief is that it was twisted ideals and an iron boot that crushed all who did not agree. That is not happening in our democracy, at least not from the right.

I know you hate Bush, and I have never said you do not have that right. I do think it is not fair to brand him and others with Nazi tags and link things they clearly are not doing to that name calling. Again, I believe, if you were a victim of the Nazi regime in WW II, you might notice that difference and not liken our present situation to their's. Ask a survivor of the concentrations camps about the differences. They might think we have it better and are even free to say so, or not. </font color>

Down with Rupert!!!!! <hr /></blockquote>
<font color="blue"> Wow, you could not have said "Down with Hitler!" in Germany, under your Nazi example. </font color>

bamadog
11-14-2007, 11:24 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> A good amount of what is aired on a channel that pretends to be fair and balanced news, is fiction.
A lie travels round the world before truth gets its pants on. The lies that have been aired on Fox, are still believed by large numbers of people in this country.


Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

So it should be real easy for you to list some of these "fictions".
Shouldn't it?

Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 11:29 AM
Bull****. Murdoch wants to use his power to influence elections, with lies, and slander, in order to assist the corrupt Republican Party, who exist for the purpose of exploiting Americans, to benefit the rich, without conscience, and to enhance their own bottom line profits.

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 11:31 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Bull****. Murdoch wants to use his power to influence elections, with lies, and slander, in order to assist the corrupt Republican Party, who exist for the purpose of exploiting Americans, to benefit the rich, without conscience, and to enhance their own bottom line profits. <hr /></blockquote>

Does this scene never end?

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 11:34 AM
News isn't "news" if it is slanted....then it becomes propaganda. And one only has to look at the numbers of Americans that still think Saddam bombed NYC, to see how detrimentally effective, that style of reporting is.
as to your charge that left wing, liberal Professors are corrupting the minds of our youth...how then did GWB get elected, and reelected? There's a reason why Teachers, and the like are the first to be singled out during a purge. They don't buy into the two reasons a repressive Government rules by....fear and greed...they usually speak out against the Government, and for the people...an anathema to the die -hard supporters of the current "regime"
I hope there'll always be a "left", to oppose the right.
Keeps the excesses of each party in check...although the "K" St. project is trying to install a one party system.
Warren Buffett is testifying right now before Congress....he is in favor of keeping the estate tax intact....that's got to be a liberal idea.....

Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 11:34 AM
I think Jack's statements are right on target. He wasn['t referring to violent actions, he was referring to psychological methods of authoritarian regimes, and those same methods have clearly been used throughout this administration. Propaganda, lies, torture, hidden government, exploitation of the military for corporate gain, fixed intelligence, partisan Department of Justice, use of Government Agencies for partisan purposes, and above all FEAR, IOW, TERROR, in order to scare and exploit the masses.

Jack is absolutely correct to link all of these actions to this administration.

Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 11:48 AM
You started up on here pretending to be non partisan, didn't you? I had my doubts about that from the start. You don't have to read my posts. And this will probably be the last time I read one of yours. You're not interested in anything but the right wing party line. Fine, go vote for perpetual war, and make all your corporate neocon heroes, happy. Slurp up all the propaganda you like, and call it news. Just don't view your own redundancy as anything apart from the same accusations you fling around at me.
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SKennedy
11-14-2007, 11:52 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> News isn't "news" if it is slanted....then it becomes propaganda.

[I've been listening to propaganda from all news sources long before Fox existed]

And one only has to look at the numbers of Americans that still think Saddam bombed NYC, to see how detrimentally effective, that style of reporting is.

[You can't blame people's stupidity on Fox News]

as to your charge that left wing, liberal Professors are corrupting the minds of our youth...how then did GWB get elected, and reelected? There's a reason why Teachers, and the like are the first to be singled out during a purge.

[I have a problem with conservative teachers who do the same thing. Teachers should teach.]

They don't buy into the two reasons a repressive Government rules by....fear and greed...they usually speak out against the Government, and for the people...an anathema to the die -hard supporters of the current "regime"
I hope there'll always be a "left", to oppose the right.

[I agree with you 100%]

Keeps the excesses of each party in check...although the "K" St. project is trying to install a one party system.
Warren Buffett is testifying right now before Congress....he is in favor of keeping the estate tax intact....that's got to be a liberal idea..... <hr /></blockquote>

[Don't know about K Street thing....and as for Buffett...just because you are rich, or a good actor, or good-looking, doesn't make you right (just usually left).] /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Note to Gayle....Wolf's posts are much more effective....at least to me, because he doesn't sound full of hate. I know you say you are not, and I believe you, but you still sound and come across that way. (And yes, this is a ploy to plant envy among the lefties here and split the group into factions.)

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 11:55 AM
I think you took me much too serious...my post was about Murdoch buying MySpace, obviously for the advertising revenue it will generate....and I was making a wild comparison that he was attempting to control the minds of our youth as Hitler tried to do in Germany...that was the only Hitler quote that I could find, to make a comparison.
I don't like a few of the commentators on Fox news...and think Fox "manages" the news...therefore, don't like Rupert. And the law had to be changed to allow him to own media here. I still believe that law should have remained on the books
Not being as smart as the rest of the folks on this board, I am reduced to writing parodies ...and they are not to be taken at face value....
The kids would run Rupert off his own board faster then they would run you off....I'm allowed to post there because I fudged a bit about my age...
Not sure how you could read into that post that I was mocking the victims of that war....but then, we all read the worst into each other's posts, and only see what we want to see

Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 12:05 PM
Well, there you have it, Jack, righties, defending propaganda. Need we say more?

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 12:10 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> You started up on here pretending to be non partisan, didn't you? I had my doubts about that from the start. You don't have to read my posts. And this will probably be the last time I read one of yours. You're not interested in anything but the right wing party line. Fine, go vote for perpetual war, and make all your corporate neocon heroes, happy. Slurp up all the propaganda you like, and call it news. Just don't view your own redundancy as anything apart from accusations you floing around at me.
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WTF? You are joking...right? Just in case you are not, I never indicated I was non-partisan. I have always made it very clear who and what I am. And, I don't automatically tow the party line 100% as you think I do. I am also against war of any type. I am not for perpetual war, nor am I an advocate of war. Unfortunately, war is a necessary evil. Also, my heroes are not corporations; they are everyday people. And, none of my heroes happen to be rich, CEOs, actors, politicians, singers, rappers, etc.
And because I do not agree with you, you won't read my posts anymore? Gonna take your ball and go home? At least you are not making me leave the country with Murdoch!! I guess you would though if I owned sufficient media to get my message and opinions out to the masses? And as for redundancy.....you are the absolute worst. You write and proclaim the same old liberal party line stuff over and over and over again. While I am conservative, I am not on the far right. However, you, by contrast, would make anyone appear to be.
Your above quoted post is too immature for you and I find it very disappointing. I'm sure you'll do better next time. As long as you post, I will continue to read them. It reminds me of how life could be like on the other side, and makes me very thankful that I'm exactly where I'm at.

Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 12:16 PM
I am against propaganda, and think that foreigners, who come over here and use their money to influence our National discourse, and foreign affairs, and particularly regarding the decision to go to war, which Murdoch admitted using his "News" channel to accomplish, should not be allowed to do so, IOW, this is an example of another REPUBLICAN action, which hurts the country in general, implemented in the interest of partisan politics.

If you are all for lies and propaganda, fine, it's certainly no surprise, since your are Republican, but accusations of hate, are out of order, IMO, as I don't hate anyone. I do hate the things that some people say and do, particularly when they have hidden agendas, tell lies to the country, and use propaganda in their mission.

Since my posts are so upsetting to you, and you obviously can't handle my opinions, you might want to sconsider scrolling past them, as I intend to so as regards yous, in the future.

Gayle in Md.

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 12:29 PM
So, you are for illegal immigration, but against legal immigration, especially those who have opinions counter to yours?
All hail Queen Gayle!!

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 12:32 PM
P.S. Your posts do not upset me. On the contrary...I find them highly entertaining. I relish the thought of reading your future posts.

Also...Im against propoganda as well. We just have a different definition of the word.

Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 12:40 PM
This has nothing to do with immigration, it has to do with who owns the media, how much of it one person should be allowed to own, and what kind of improper influences, could result, and the resulting power, which a foreigner should be allowed to have ownership of, and its potential influence in our country, elections, and political discourse.

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 12:44 PM
From Walter Cronkite:
[ QUOTE ]
Objective journalism and an opinion column are about as similar as the Bible and Playboy magazine. <hr /></blockquote>
[ QUOTE ]
In seeking truth you have to get both sides of a story. <hr /></blockquote>
[ QUOTE ]
Our job is only to hold up the mirror - to tell and show the public what has happened. <hr /></blockquote>

[ QUOTE ]
We are not educated well enough to perform the necessary act of intelligently selecting our leaders. <hr /></blockquote>
[ QUOTE ]
The perils of duck hunting are great - especially for the duck. <hr /></blockquote> (unless of course, you are hunting with Cheney)

Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 12:45 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Also, I'm against propaganda as well. We just have a different definition of the word. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="red">Yes, well that's the Republican way. Hunger is now food challenged, Covert Agents, are mere secretaries, Torture is nothing more than enhanced interrogation methods, and a War On Terror, is really an illegal occupation of another country, which was no immediate threat, and never attacked America, performed by terrorists in the White House, who use FEAR to get their way. I'd be truly alarmed if we had the same definition for propaganda.</font color>

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 12:50 PM
Fox's news rewrites are known as republic(an)ations
"All the news that's fixed to print"

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Chavez excluded of course?

Deeman3
11-14-2007, 01:37 PM
Wolf,

All news media distorts what we read, not just Fox. I guess it's more a question of which distortion best fits your views and mine. I agree that Fox does lean right as most of the other media leans in the opposite direction. The beauty of the free press is that we can select that which we beleive best represents our views.

I think you beleive I am fairly rational. You may or may not know that I watch more than one news show each night. I watch CBS, O'reilly, then pick another show based on what or whom they may have scheduled. I, personally, don't find, for instance, Hannity and Combs balanced. As well, while I don't watch every show, I think several of the cable based shows outside Fox are perfectly fine while I will disagree at times. On Sunday, I never miss Meet the Press and several other non-Fox news discussions.

Are they all fair? No, but if you are halfway sharp, you can determine the value of the content. Unlike Gayle, I welcome opposite views, not just one side to the exclusion of the other. I would never ask that Huffington be banned despite inflamitory reporting and an ongoing outright political attempt to make the U.S look bad in any situation they can.

Again, I made some simple statements to Gayle about the freedoms we have now and the actions of past presidents and got her normal answers, not any of which addresses the things I brought up. I should know beter by now but, like all sane people, I believe, beyond reason and in the face of evidence to the contrary that most persons want discussion. All she wants is a platform to spout the same garbage as usual. I know you believe much the same as she but you can be reasoned with on rare occasions. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

"Hey, what do you think about the imporvements in the Iraqi war lately?" Answer: We have now found out that soldiers commit suicide at a rate much larger than the general population! Bush does this because he is sending them back too often! How is that for Christian values? Laura Bush once murdered her boyfriend, Ann Coulter looks like a dog, Soldiers, despite their claims, don't really support this war....ha, ha, ha......This is what reasonable, respectful discussion passes for these days. The same old hate....and some of us get angry and fling it back. That's to my discredit. My mother would be ashamed of me on occasion.

I yield the battlefield to you and the guys from AZ. It's getting to be a better match than you might think. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If they ever come up with a NPR side that presents questions and comment and actually answers questions in a reasonable fashion without hate, and no F/L's in any form, let me know. This has become even worse, if you can believe that! So let's get Murdock out of the news and it will all read exactly as the left wants it to. I know that'll make everyone happy. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

My final swat. Did you know you (a private citizen) are 130 times more likely to be wiretapped by the government (Dutch Gov. Den Haig) in Holland than in the U.S.A.????? Read that on the MSNBC, so the left on occasion reports the truth....Evil Dutch, I knew Q was a plant......You guys stuff him in a car and give him a Jersey Ride....

I demand my wooden shoed freedom.....

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 01:49 PM
This is a perfect example of what I was trying to communicate to Gayle. Deeman and Wolfie have opposing viewpoints, yet they remain civil and respectful. It's not an all or none proposition. Life is not just black and white.
And Deeman...we're sure your Mother is very proud of you. Please...just don't tell mine about the "pot" and the Boone's Farm.

Gayle in MD
11-14-2007, 02:04 PM
<font color="blue"> </font color>


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Again, I made some simple statements to Gayle about the freedoms we have now and the actions of past presidents and got her normal answers, not any of which addresses the things I brought up. I should know beter by now but, like all sane people, I believe, beyond reason and in the face of evidence to the contrary that most persons want discussion. All she wants is a platform to spout the same garbage as usual. I know you believe much the same as she but you can be reasoned with on rare occasions.

<font color="blue">Right, you portray youself as being so patronizing about the opinions of others with a different point of view. You were the first person on this board to attack me when I made my first political post, Deeman, calling me a wannabe elitist, among other things, and on and on. Take this thread, for example, a post, about Fox News people trying to get a women to lie to federal investigators in order to protect Giuliani, who is apparently Murdoch's choice for president. and this is the dribble I get from you... </font color>

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I agree, what is this guy thinking? He has no right to have a POV in a Democratic country like America! Next thing you know, we'll be giving these evil people from overseas driver's liscenses and such.

It is just not fair, I agree, that Fox News is unfairly holding viewership in numbers that are dangerous to the "real" news networks and must be stopped. If we can't even suppress this kind of opinion, what will we ever do now that Bush has taken all our free speech rights away and is hauling off journalist pell mell to prisons as our rights have disappeared.

Down with Murdock, ideas are dangerous, get him out of America, Now! Let's get this message of the left out! No more right wing news....

The left, "Let's have our cake and eat everyone else's too."

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<font color="blue">No opinions about a media mogal, who is buying up the media left and right, and just happens to be known as the White House Propaganda channel, FAUX News, and you assert that the press is full of liberal slant? Murdoch admitted that he intentionally supported bush's policies for invading Iraq, with his power. Reagan removed the legal barricades to fair and balanced news programming. It really isn't possible for a person to post a news item, that isn't Bush/Republican friendly, on this forum, without nothing back but sarcasm, and slander from the right. Since when do you seriously address the issues I bring up? </font color>

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 02:24 PM
Hannity and Combs are unbalanced?...I thought they was a little odd, but....
I hope you don't give up on this side of the site, because I find your posts to be pretty fair, well written, and an insight for me on why people support things that I disagree with (in a perfect world, everyone would think like me)
Now that doesn't mean we can't put our hands on the other guys throats once in a while, given the nature of political "debates"
Sure Gayle is opinionated a bit, and slightly favors the left, but I see equal ardor on the other side, with the same accusations. By voting Democrat, I found out I am unpatriotic, don't support our troops, seditious, anti-
Christian, and waiting to welcome my Islamic brothers with open arms, also expect the right only, to be unfairly taxed so that I can afford that second automobile....and the list goes on.
I'm against the war, against the current admin, other then that I don't believe that anybody that votes Republican is necessarily a "bad guy"...but they also don't hold the monopoly on morality either.
By the way, it's too bad you missed Warren's speech today.

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 02:30 PM
Wolf's right Deeman...don't give up yet. We (I bet most of us anyway) respect your posts. Just like Wolf's....except when he starts cursing at Wally....

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 02:34 PM
except when he starts cursing at Wally.
That wasn't me....just my evil alter-ego that appears after a few libations....I'm then forced to try to drown him in alcohol, until he passes out, and I can regain control.

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 02:43 PM
you may be right....it just may be time for me to give up on this side of the board, as well.
It's changed from debating facts to wild accusations.....
AND I not only can from my own opinions about world events, from a more respected news source then the CCB, I also have no fantasies that whatever I post here will influence anybody else.
It's all turned into a Punch &amp; Judy show

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 02:46 PM
Obviously then you are a catholic. Us baptist are forced to live with our evil alter-ego more consistently since we can't drink in public....or at least around another baptist. Fortunately, I not a true "baptist" in the sense that I do drink..in moderation of course.

Deeman3
11-14-2007, 02:52 PM
Earl Warren? Warren G. Hardy, Warren Oates, Warrent Beatty, Warrant for Arrest? I guess I did miss it.

I believe you are patriotic, would shoot any Muslim that crossed you without regard to his/her faith if they played through without asking, are a non-practicing Catholic, a Retired Semi-Slugger Golfer, a Good Story Teller, a sometimes voice of reason among your crazy Brethren, a guy who cries when he watches Brokeback Mountain, a guy who selflessly would re-distribute the wealth as long as he get's his slice /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif, a pool bum, a wizard at AVI's the technical like, a man who could "pass" in Mississippi as a good old boy 'til he has to say, "Un-hand that poor Liberal, what did he/she ever do to you?"

I do reserve the right to hold a firm yet slippery grasp on morality at least until I get caught.

You may, in fact, embrace fewer Islamic Brothers than I but, when they do put out a bounty on the bad ones, I'll be more prepared to help them find Allah.

I have never been evangellical and might not trust a women who thinks a man could live in a whale, but I'll forever believe a man can live in Alabama.

I observe 7 or 8 of the commandments but bought indulgences from your guys long ago on the others before Martin Luther screwed up your scam. Only my covert secretary knows which ones are paid for.

I do profess unrequieted dreams of Hillary saying, "Gayle, we gotta have the boat, Baby! It's for the greater good you know."

I know you have a good heart and that it takes Joy liquid to get really tough grease out of our hair.

I know that I was foolish to think that accumulating for old age was a personal responsibility, not a governemnt function. That the weak minded were lured into poor home loans and that we must bail out both the lender and the borrower or, perish the thought, the free market will function.

I believe you will shoot your lifetime best round the next time you play and that LLW will name a child after you.

By the way, loved your movie, too bad Kevin Costner got all your good lines.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I know universal health care will include Viagra and all the Botox the law will allow. "Lifts" will be free, buy one, get two.

Wally_in_Cincy
11-14-2007, 04:13 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SKennedy:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Bull****. Murdoch wants to use his power to influence elections, with lies, and slander, in order to assist the corrupt Republican Party, who exist for the purpose of exploiting Americans, to benefit the rich, without conscience, and to enhance their own bottom line profits. <hr /></blockquote>

Does this scene never end? <hr /></blockquote>

It's like Groundhog Day isn't it? /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
11-14-2007, 04:15 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> ...how then did GWB get elected, and reelected? <hr /></blockquote>

Take a look at what your side put up against him /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gore and Kerry? Gimme a break.

Chopstick
11-14-2007, 04:17 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SKennedy:</font><hr> Obviously then you are a catholic. Us baptist are forced to live with our evil alter-ego more consistently since we can't drink in public....or at least around another baptist. Fortunately, I not a true "baptist" in the sense that I do drink..in moderation of course. <hr /></blockquote>

See, I told you guys. This was before your time Mr. Kennedy.

The secret to going fishin' with a Baptist is you have to take two of em. If you take just one, they'll drink all your beer. If you take two they won't drink any. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
11-14-2007, 04:20 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SKennedy:</font><hr> Wolf's right Deeman...don't give up yet. We (I bet most of us anyway) respect your posts. Just like Wolf's....except when he starts cursing at Wally....
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But I deserved it /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Chopstick
11-14-2007, 04:24 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> except when he starts cursing at Wally.
That wasn't me....just my evil alter-ego that appears after a few libations....I'm then forced to try to drown him in alcohol, until he passes out, and I can regain control. <hr /></blockquote>

I'm just the opposite. The more I drink the nicer I get. If I really get bombed then I love everybody. I know, it's disgusting. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 05:25 PM
I'm the same way...a real [censored] cat. I hate a mean drunk! I supect Wolf is mostly bark though and we'd be OK drinking with him, provided I'm the only baptist there.

wolfdancer
11-14-2007, 05:45 PM
We Irish Catholics have never been known to turn down a free drink....it's either an ethnic or a religious tenet, I forget which

pooltchr
11-14-2007, 06:42 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SKennedy:</font><hr> Obviously then you are a catholic. Us baptist are forced to live with our evil alter-ego more consistently since we can't drink in public....or at least around another baptist. Fortunately, I not a true "baptist" in the sense that I do drink..in moderation of course. <hr /></blockquote>

I hear that the only difference between Catholics and Baptists is a Catholic will speak to you in line at the liquor store! /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Steve

SKennedy
11-14-2007, 09:21 PM
A friend of mine's son worked at a liquor store. On Friday night about 15 minutes after closing time, the good baptists, preachers, and "known" teetotalers would show up at the back of the store and the goods would be loaded in the trunks. To make matters worse, I live in a dry county. This bible-thumper thinks it is ridiculous. I expect to actually share wine with Christ in Heaven.

Chopstick
11-14-2007, 10:32 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote SKennedy:</font><hr> I expect to actually share wine with Christ in Heaven. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue">"It is not what goes into a man that defiles him. It is what comes out of him."

That's what he said when he was questioned about his drinking wine. Whatever else he was, I don't know, but he was a smart man, and a fellow could do a lot worse than taking a little time to consider what he said.</font color>

nAz
11-14-2007, 10:48 PM
Hey Dee, I think what bothers Gayle and a lot of folks too is that if most Conservative could go back in time knowing all they know now... they would still vote for bUSH over say Gore. Now that is scary.

Deeman3
11-15-2007, 08:41 AM
Naz,

That's a hard one for all of us. To admit that we would do anything different is always hard and we can't change the past either the good nor the bad.

The odd thing is none of us know where we would be had the election been different. Do I question my vote, yes. Would I change it? That's a much harder question, honestly, than my decision to vote for him or anyone else, in real time.

When I clear away all the political mud slinging and look at my criticisms of Bush, I am much more disappointed in his prosecution of the war, his slow response to domestic concerns and his abandonment of core financial responsibility in spending.

So, in the end, we may have had no war but the same political blasting from the right we now have from the left if Gore/Kerry were in office. The real question is where would we be in the Middle East? Fighting terror, talking fighting terror or just waiting for the next offensive move by them? I really do not know and believe others don't as well.

If anyone wants a "gotcha" moment with me, I'll admit it's the one question I can't answer honestly and I have thought about it, more than most would believe. Many things Gayle and others have brought up such as the dicotomy of faith and killing, war and peace, rich and poor are topics I think we all need to think about more. However, I think many of us are beyond rational discussion as we had rather yell across the fence than mend that fence. To me, that is worse than no discussion at all.

We lose the common ground we should all share. I have done my part to escalate the discussion beyond repair myself.

Maybe one day we'll all get better at this.

DickLeonard
11-15-2007, 08:57 AM
Wolfdancer as an Irish Catholic I'll drink to that.####