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07-30-2002, 05:09 PM
I have a 9ft Gold Crown 4 that came from the WPBA tour stop at the Soaring Eagle Casino in Mt. Pleasant, Mi. The table came with the Simonis cloth that was used during tournament play and it is still in B+ shape after almost 2 yrs of my using it. But, eventually, I will want to replace the cloth.

My question is: Has anyone here used any other kinds of cloth that are comparable to Simonis? I love the way it plays but it is expensive. I see where Mueller's sells Granito cloth for a bit less than I could get replacement Simonis cloth. I've never played on it but if anyone here has any experience with it (or any other type of cloth) I'd love to hear what you think of it.

Paul_Mon
07-31-2002, 04:23 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: longs:</font><hr> I have a 9ft Gold Crown 4 that came from the WPBA tour stop at the Soaring Eagle Casino in Mt. Pleasant, Mi. The table came with the Simonis cloth that was used during tournament play and it is still in B+ shape after almost 2 yrs of my using it. But, eventually, I will want to replace the cloth.

My question is: Has anyone here used any other kinds of cloth that are comparable to Simonis? I love the way it plays but it is expensive. I see where Mueller's sells Granito cloth for a bit less than I could get replacement Simonis cloth. I've never played on it but if anyone here has any experience with it (or any other type of cloth) I'd love to hear what you think of it. <hr></blockquote>

I've got 860 on my own table and have played on Granito and Championship cloth. All three play very similar and IMO they all wear at about the same rate. This is based on the hall I frequent that uses or has used all three. The way I look at it is that the cost is amortized over the life of the cloth. I myself prefer the Simonis and I'm considering 760 when it's time to recover. Supposedly, the hot setup is 760 on the bed, 860 on the rails.

Paul Mon

NH_Steve
07-31-2002, 05:49 AM
What is the difference between 760 &amp; 860? I remember playing on a super fast Simonis a few years back, but the Simonis now seems to be a tad slower. Is the 760 the super fast stuff, and the 860 more standard tournament cloth?

PQQLK9
07-31-2002, 08:19 AM
I've had both on my table...I perfer the 860....the 760 is 87% wool 13% nylon ...the 860 is 10 to 15% slower ,depending on humidy....both are nap-free.

Simonis is imported exclusively by Dufferin,Inc....708-244-4762

07-31-2002, 08:31 AM
Overall, 760 plays faster than 860 so it's a matter of personal preference. My experience in playing on the two cloths is that 760 plays better as a new cloth than 860 does. 860 Slides more when new. However, I've found that 860 ages much better than 760. As 760 gets older, it starts to play like glass where I think 860 holds up much longer.

But overall, a cloth is only as good as the person who installs it. Make sure they pull the cloth tight!

Fran

Paul_Mon
07-31-2002, 08:44 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Fran Crimi:</font><hr> However, I've found that 860 ages much better than 760. As 760 gets older, it starts to play like glass where I think 860 holds up much longer.
Fran <hr></blockquote>

Thanks for that piece of info Fran. I had forgotten how the 760 ages and plays very slick. To be honest there was only one table (in the VIP room) that had 760 on it and most of the regulars avoided playing on it.

Paul

NH_Steve
07-31-2002, 06:44 PM
Thanks, I'm goin' with the 860, then...

dddd
07-31-2002, 07:10 PM
personally to me i prefer the 860 and good rails the speed is good throughout the life of the cloth and the rails dont kill the speed off of them.
true rolls, consistent speed those things that are valuable to your overall play

i think 860 as stress relief and that to me is worth the difference

08-05-2002, 07:37 AM
i agree about 860 cloth it wear is much longer and slides alot but that is no reason why you lost to me we are a even game you might be up a set or 2 but when i win i no i beat the 17 woman player in the world you still jump the balls better than me

08-05-2002, 07:59 AM
As usual, Fran is right. The insallation is very importent. A frend of mine's dad paid $6000 for a top of the line table with 860 cloth. The balls rolled off a little at one corner pocket. The place he bought it from could not find where the slate was unlevel,so they replaced the slate. Then the table had a diffrent spot the balls rolled "funny" at. My friend knew that I used to work as a table mechanic, so he asked me to look at it. I restretched the cloth and the problen was fixed.
Keith