View Full Version : The reality of the Kyoto scam exposed!

12-15-2007, 08:08 AM
You can't trust anyone who doesn't believe in Al's fantasy because they work for EXXON. Right. Why, EXXON has sponsored some of these people to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars in research money.

OTOH the IPCC/Kyoto claims have been that this has nothing to do with money on their end. They are only interested in the pure science and saving humanity from him/her/itself.

WELL (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_ id=d5c3c93f-802a-23ad-4f29-fe59494b48a6&Issue_id=) all of a sudden it's floated that maybe it isn't all so bad ... as long as the UN can tax it with a tax bill binding upon all nations.

Global Carbon Tax Urged at UN Climate Conference
BALI, Indonesia – A global tax on carbon dioxide emissions was urged to help save the Earth from catastrophic man-made global warming at the United Nations climate conference. A panel of UN participants on Thursday urged the adoption of a tax that would represent “a global burden sharing system, fair, with solidarity, and legally binding to all nations.”

“Finally someone will pay for these [climate related] costs,” Othmar Schwank, a global tax advocate, told Inhofe EPW Press Blog following the panel discussion titled “A Global CO2 Tax.” Schwank is a consultant with the Switzerland based Mauch Consulting firm

Schwank said at least “$10-$40 billion dollars per year” could be generated by the tax, and wealthy nations like the U.S. would bear the biggest burden based on the “polluters pay principle.”

The U.S. and other wealthy nations need to “contribute significantly more to this global fund,” Schwank explained. He also added, “It is very essential to tax coal.”

The UN was presented with a new report from the Swiss Federal Office for the Environment titled “Global Solidarity in Financing Adaptation.” The report stated there was an “urgent need” for a global tax in order for “damages [from climate change] to be kept from growing to truly catastrophic levels, especially in vulnerable countries of the developing world.”

The tens of billions of dollars per year generated by a global tax would “flow into a global Multilateral Adaptation Fund” to help nations cope with global warming, according to the report.

Schwank said a global carbon dioxide tax is an idea long overdue that is urgently needed to establish “a funding scheme which generates the resources required to address the dimension of challenge with regard to climate change costs.”

'Diminish future prosperity'

However, ideas like a global tax and the overall UN climate agenda met strong opposition Thursday from a team of over 100 prominent international scientists who warned the UN that attempting to control the Earth's climate was "ultimately futile."

The scientists wrote, “The IPCC's conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions." The scientists, many of whom are current or former members of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), sent the December 13 letter to the UN Secretary-General. (See: Over 100 Prominent Scientists Warn UN Against 'Futile' Climate Control Efforts – LINK)

‘Redistribution of wealth’
The environmental group Friends of the Earth, in attendance in Bali, also advocated the transfer of money from rich to poor nations on Wednesday.

“A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources,” said Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth. (LINK)

Calls for global regulations and taxes are not new at the UN. Former Vice President Al Gore, who arrived Thursday at the Bali conference, reiterated this week his call to place a price on carbon dioxide emissions. (LINK)

In 2000, then French President Jacques Chirac said the UN’s Kyoto Protocol represented "the first component of an authentic global governance." Former EU Environment Minister Margot Wallstrom said, "Kyoto is about the economy, about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." Canadian Prime Minster Stephen Harper once dismissed Kyoto as a “socialist scheme.” (LINK)

'A bureaucrat's dream'

MIT climate scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen warned about these types of carbon regulations earlier this year. "Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life," Lindzen said in March 2007. (LINK)

In addition, many critics have often charged that proposed tax and regulatory “solutions” were more important to the promoters of man-made climate fears than the accuracy of their science.

Former Colorado Senator Tim Wirth reportedly said in 1990, "We've got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing — in terms of economic policy and environmental policy." (LINK)<hr /></blockquote>


12-15-2007, 10:39 AM
We read these type articles all the time....and don't truly understand them...so what we implore from you, oh magnificent one, is for you to explain the article, and guide us as to a course of action.
Isn't that what you came over here for in the first place....to inform, and to instruct?

"LWW is a ****** idiot" quote, wolfdancer

12-15-2007, 01:39 PM
Wolfdancer,let the Bug ejaculate,he can't explain what he writes,can't give what he don't have. I hope you meant in his own words. Quote the Bug "WHAT ARE WE"

12-15-2007, 09:03 PM
I'm not surprised that the UN has co-opted the Global Warming scheme.
The first mandate of any bureaucracy is to increase its size and reach.
With the taste of the oil for money for Kofi's friends and relatives still on their lips, the UN has seemingly concocted another sham to enrich themselves. And they've got Saint Al, who's reportedly making a fortune investing in carbon offsets, as their point man.
The message, "all we need to make the world right is a huge tax on the evil United States" will resonate with the Nations exempted. The Euro-geezer nations have too many domestic issues ( Muslim immigration, unemployment , low productivity, low fertility) to be relevant on the world stage. And China, who's hundreds of coal fired generators are mega-polluters, will essentially get a pass.
Who does that leave to take it in the shorts? Take a guess.
Just another reason why the UN has become an unworkable embarrassment.

12-16-2007, 04:19 AM
Actually I am quite confident in my writing and explanatory skills.

I must, however, apologize to you and Wolfie. You both are victims of public education. I will try to tone down my post to a lower IQ level for the 2 of you.
The claim by the U N that people are behind all the heat is bull crap by their own words. They don't care any more as long as we pay them a tax. All of you Gorebots have been played for fools. They admit it. I wish you good see it.


12-16-2007, 11:17 PM
Don't look now Bug,but you are on ignore.
Quote the Bug: "What are we"?

12-17-2007, 05:35 AM
Yet you remain fascinated by me enough to shadow post.

Yer funnee!


12-17-2007, 11:45 AM
Glad to see you,agree with me Bug, I would not call Kyoto a scam, because there is no collective malicious state of mind,to deceive.What exists,are conclusions. Not enough is known,and the various countries,are formulating there response for 2009.
Quote The Bug,"What are we"?

12-17-2007, 12:53 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> Glad to see you,agree with me Bug, I would not call Kyoto a scam, because there is no collective malicious state of mind,to deceive.What exists,are conclusions. Not enough is known,and the various countries,are formulating there response for 2009.
Quote The Bug,"What are we"? <hr /></blockquote>

Kyoto is, and has always been, a wealth transfer scam.