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S0Noma
12-18-2007, 03:28 PM
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Given the absence of evidence for God, and the stupidity and suffering that still thrives under the mantle of religion, declaring oneself an “atheist” would seem the only appropriate response. And it is the stance that many of us have proudly and publicly adopted. Tonight, I’d like to try to make the case, that our use of this label is a mistake—and a mistake of some consequence.

My concern with the use of the term “atheism” is both philosophical and strategic. I’m speaking from a somewhat unusual and perhaps paradoxical position because, while I am now one of the public voices of atheism, I never thought of myself as an atheist before being inducted to speak as one. I didn’t even use the term in The End of Faith, which remains my most substantial criticism of religion. And, as I argued briefly in Letter to a Christian Nation, I think that “atheist” is a term that we do not need, in the same way that we don’t need a word for someone who rejects astrology. We simply do not call people “non-astrologers.” All we need are words like “reason” and “evidence” and “common sense” and “bullshit” to put astrologers in their place, and so it could be with religion. <hr /></blockquote>

web page (http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sam_harris/2007/10/the_problem_with_atheism.html)

Gayle in MD
12-19-2007, 10:41 AM
This is pretty good. Personally, I think Christians have given Atheists a bad name. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

heater451
12-19-2007, 05:40 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> This is pretty good. Personally, I think Christians have given Atheists a bad name. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>Personally, I think Christians have given God a bad name. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Hi Gayle--Happy Holidays!


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cushioncrawler
12-21-2007, 02:12 AM
Yep -- Athiests, and, Non-Fiktion too. madMac.
$hit, my new billiardz room iz out of this world -- i am in heaven -- i hope to see u all here one day -- there iz a spare bedroom etc -- give me a call.

Gayle in MD
12-21-2007, 11:19 AM
Well hi there friend! How's it going. All the best to you and your's and a happy healthy New Year.

<font color="red">MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Love,
Gayle </font color>

Drop1
12-22-2007, 09:55 PM
It would appear to me,Christians,have given Christians a bad name. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Gayle in MD
12-23-2007, 09:38 AM
Now isn't that the truth. I've been reading news articles, of late, about a supposed back lash against all this religious interference in our electorial process. I can recall a time when the word, "Christian" didn't have a political connotation at all.

The Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves, my friend.

Gayle in Md.

S0Noma
12-23-2007, 11:09 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Now isn't that the truth. I've been reading news articles, of late, about a supposed back lash against all this religious interference in our electorial process. I can recall a time when the word, "Christian" didn't have a political connotation at all.

The Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves, my friend.

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

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Here are some historical incidents that prove that we were, indeed, founded as a Christian nation:

•In the early 17th century, Sam Maverick, an English immigrant to Boston and an ancestor of the famous Texas Mavericks, was jailed for repeatedly missing church.

•About the same time, Baptist preacher Roger Williams came to Massachusetts to escape religious persecution in England. After being quoted as saying local Puritan authorities "cannot without a spiritual rape force the consciences of all to one worship," he was secretly warned by Gov. John Winthrop that he was in peril.

He fled to live with a group of Native Americans, then purchased what is now Rhode Island from them, setting it up as a colony that honored religious freedom.

•In 1844, a Jesuit priest in Maine advised Catholic families to go to court to block a school board order that required their children to read the Protestant King James version of the Bible in school. The priest was grabbed by a mob while hearing confessions on a Saturday evening, stripped of his clothes, tarred and feathered.

•In 1859, 11-year-old Tom Wall refused to recite the Protestant version of the Ten Commandments in his Boston public school. After consulting with his principal, Tom's teacher hit the boy across the knuckles with a 3-foot rattan stick.

The boy again refused. The punishment was repeated. The boy still refused. After half an hour of the painful punishment, he relented despite fearing that he was betraying his God. His father filed assault charges and went to court to challenge the reading requirement. He lost.

•In 1869, the Cincinnati school board voted 22-15 to honor the request of Catholic parents to end the reading of the Bible in school. Protestant parents filed suit.

A three-judge panel ruled 2-1 for the Protestants, saying the reading of the Bible was necessary for good government.

The doctrine of separation of church and state is not found in the Constitution. It evolved through the courts and through public consensus based on painful experience.

It was not a sop to Jews or Muslims or ACLU atheists. It was developed to keep some Christians from ruling the consciences of other Christians, just as for centuries they had attempted to do in Europe.

Its logic was most forcefully stated by the Christian judges of the Ohio Supreme Court, who overturned the above ruling with these words:

"When Christianity asks the aid of government beyond mere impartial protection, it denies itself. Its laws are divine and not human. Its essential interests lie beyond the reach and range of human governments. United with government, religion never rises above the merest superstition; united with religion, government never rises above the merest despotism; and all history shows us that the more widely and completely they are separated, the better it is for both." <hr /></blockquote>

web page (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/5352710.html)

Gayle in MD
12-23-2007, 11:42 AM
"The separation must be complete, and perfect..."

Thomas Jefferson

LWW
12-23-2007, 11:49 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> "The separation must be complete, and perfect..."

Thomas Jefferson <hr /></blockquote>
Link to the quote in it's entirety please. I'm sure you must have it.

LWW

S0Noma
12-23-2007, 01:40 PM
<font color="blue">"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " – Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813</font color>

<font color="green">"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites" –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.</font color>

<font color="brown">"Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."</font color>

<font color="blue">"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."</font color>

<font color="purple">"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823</font color>

<font color="red">"Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."</font color>

<font color="purple">"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."</font color>

- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat </font color>

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