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LWW
12-22-2007, 05:01 AM
The truth.

As the neolibs are unfamiliar with how to cogently present an argument I will be using a few tactics that they are unfamiliar with. These would include, but not limited to, presenting evidence to support the statements made, The most common means of doing this will be my use of LINKS.

These LINKS will be words highlighted in blue. If you click them they will take you to another page where the evidence is contained for your perusal.

I will try to do 12, but may not because I'm not sure that they can take 12 all at once. If I get to 12 it may take past Christmas.

Enjoy.

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 05:07 AM
The first truth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

The Democratic Party's High Command was in on WATERBOARDING (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html) from the start. They seem to have wanted even stronger measures and it may in fact turn out that the EEEVILLL BUSHIES were in fact the voice of reason.

The Dems, even after seeing the evidence and deciding they were in agreement that this was the best policy for public safety, when presented with the chance to weaken national security for political reasons chose to do so.

Let it be known that their brainwashed minions have ran from this undisputable fact in horror and have as yet to admit it's existence.

That's what happens when you let others think for you however.

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 05:10 AM
The second truth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

The reason our school system sucks has nothing to do with how much money we spend per pupil. The reason our educational system sucks is that we hire the LEAST COMPETENT (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2007/12/19/academic_slums) college grads to teach and then protect them to the point that they have almost zero accountability.

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 05:13 AM
The third truth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

GLOBAL WARMING (http://www.ncpa.org/globalwarming/GlobalWarmingPrimer.pdf), as taught by neolibs, is a lie and nothing more.

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 05:16 AM
The fourth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

William Jefferson Clinton was GUILTY (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/10/01/politics/main313109.shtml) as charged and in fact was disbarred by the SCOTUS for that guilt.

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 05:21 AM
The fifth truth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

The average person here hating all things Bush and repeating all moonbat tripe have no clue what the definition of a WMD even is and, instead, prefers to have someone redefine it for them after the fact and then repeat the lie because they were too mind numbed to actually think anything through.

For those of you who have never read what the UN banned Saddam from having, and you know who you are, here is the UN RESOLUTION (http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/596/23/IMG/NR059623.pdf?OpenElement).

Enjoy.

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 05:46 AM
The sixth truth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

My favorite so far.

Now that we all, or at least those brave enough to view a non moonbat link, know the definition of a WMD as defined by the UN Cease Fire of 1991, how do we know what reasons we used to go into Iraq?

The answer is read the AUTHORIZATION TO USE FORCE (http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf).

Now, those of you who just did that now know not only why we went in but what we said we would find. Using non neolib redefinitions, or IOW using the actual language and definitions as defined in the legal documents, you will find that we found exactly what we said we would find and exactly where we said we would find it.

Readers of the UN defs will also know that Iraqi missiles were considered WMD's and according to THOSE IN THE KNOW (http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jmr/jmr041019_1_n.shtml) Iraq was way out of the rules.

They will also find that WMD's (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122311,00.html) were found in junkyards as far away as Rotterdam.

They will in addition have found that WMD's (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-72772376.html) were used against Kuwait in the early stages of the war.

Now, the WMB deniers will try again to redefine the term away from the legalities and argue that chemical weapons were never found.

They will, of course, be wrong as OVER 500 (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918) shells have been found. They will deny they meet the definition. It will be a lie.

Next they will then claim that no bio weapons were found. They will be flagrantly denying that we found multiple live strains of bio weapons which merely needing mass production and loading into aerosol dispersion shells which Blix and company had found.

They will also argue Saddam wasn't a threat. That will also be a lie. The TRUTH (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/27/114102.shtml) is that the US inspectors conclusion was that Iraq was in fact even more dangerous than we had expected.

LWW

Qtec
12-22-2007, 09:11 AM
UNITED NATIONS — U.N. weapons experts have found 20 engines used in banned Iraqi missiles in a Jordan scrapyard along with other equipment that could be used to make weapons of mass destruction, an official said Wednesday.

The discoveries were revealed to the U.N. Security Council (search) by acting chief U.N. inspector Demetrius Perricos during in a closed-door briefing. The text was obtained by The Associated Press.

The U.N. team was following up on an earlier discovery of a similar Al Samoud 2 (search) engine in a scrapyard in the Dutch port of Rotterdam. Perricos said inspectors also want to check in Turkey, which has also received scrap metal from Iraq.


SCRAP is a WMD?

[ QUOTE ]
They will also argue Saddam wasn't a threat. That will also be a lie. The TRUTH is that the US inspectors conclusion was that Iraq was in fact even more dangerous than we had expected.

LWW <hr /></blockquote>

Where have I heard that one before?
Oh yeah,
Bush- "OK, Iran stopped its WMD program in 2003 but that makes THEM even more dangerous?!!"
Kay finds no WMDs or WMD program so "that makes THEM even more dangerous?!!"

Deja Vu ?

Q

Qtec
12-22-2007, 09:17 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LWW:</font><hr> The first truth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

The Democratic Party's High Command was in on WATERBOARDING (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html) from the start. They seem to have wanted even stronger measures and it may in fact turn out that the EEEVILLL BUSHIES were in fact the voice of reason.

The Dems, even after seeing the evidence and deciding they were in agreement that this was the best policy for public safety, when presented with the chance to weaken national security for political reasons chose to do so.

Let it be known that their brainwashed minions have ran from this undisputable fact in horror and have as yet to admit it's existence.

That's what happens when you let others think for you however.

LWW <hr /></blockquote>

If this is so, Pelosi is just as guilty as the rest of them.
Also, some Dems knew about the Govt's spying on US citizens but could not say anything publicly because it was top secret.

Q

Qtec
12-22-2007, 09:27 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LWW:</font><hr> The fourth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

William Jefferson Clinton was GUILTY (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/10/01/politics/main313109.shtml) as charged and in fact was disbarred by the SCOTUS for that guilt.

LWW <hr /></blockquote>

Wow. The definition of pathetic should be someone on the internet who can't get over BC and his BJs!
News flash- Pres Bush was planning to attack Iraq in 2001. Even when the US intel was proved to totally wrong, he still went ahead.
Fact.
Iraq was NEVER a threat to the US.
If you claim justification for the war on finding pre-1991 rusty old shells buried in the desert- long forgotten- then you are mad.
Q

Qtec
12-22-2007, 09:30 AM
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They will, of course, be wrong as OVER 500 shells have been found. They will deny they meet the definition. It will be a lie. <hr /></blockquote>


[ QUOTE ]
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.

"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.

The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added. <hr /></blockquote>

This is from YOUR link!

Q

hondo
12-22-2007, 09:54 AM
Q, I like the one about hiring the least competent
teachers. I know when I applied for my 1st teaching job, there was a sign outside the board office stating that
competent teachers need not apply.
Wonder what happens to all those competent teachers
coming out of college who can't get a job because they're
competent?
Wonder how many years ago the Democrats got together
and vowed never to hire competent teachers?
Why does anybody bother to respond to this buffoon?
This is the 1st time I've even responded indirectly to
one of his posts in a while.
I feel so much cleaner since I started ignoring him.

LWW
12-22-2007, 10:09 AM
Yes, scrap was a WMD.

By using the naive Euros it is quite apparent what was being shipped out to avoid detection and probably be reimported if Saddam survived.

But, of course, you new that. Heck, your country even aided and abetted it.

Don't worry about that pesky blood, I've heard it washes off without staining tour conscience.

LWW

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 10:10 AM
Cut with the obfuscation dutchboy. It's true and from the mouth of a man the neolibs assured us cannot lie.

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 10:12 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote LWW:</font><hr> The fourth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

William Jefferson Clinton was GUILTY (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/10/01/politics/main313109.shtml) as charged and in fact was disbarred by the SCOTUS for that guilt.

LWW <hr /></blockquote>

Wow. The definition of pathetic should be someone on the internet who can't get over BC and his BJs!
News flash- Pres Bush was planning to attack Iraq in 2001. Even when the US intel was proved to totally wrong, he still went ahead.
Fact.
Iraq was NEVER a threat to the US.
If you claim justification for the war on finding pre-1991 rusty old shells buried in the desert- long forgotten- then you are mad.
Q

<hr /></blockquote>
Nice try.

1-I knew you would say that, keep reading.

2-The charge was perjury not oral sex ... but you knew that and as usual expect that if you repeat the lie enough someone will believe it. Hey, it worked when someone did it to you!

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 10:14 AM
Very good ... and your point was what? They were banned since 1991.

Is your pont that if I shoot you with a 27 year old gun I'm guilty of nothing?

LWW

LWW
12-22-2007, 10:16 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> Q, I like the one about hiring the least competent
teachers. I know when I applied for my 1st teaching job, there was a sign outside the board office stating that
competent teachers need not apply.<hr /></blockquote>
I had often suspected this, /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Try an argument that isn't made of straw my friend.

The reference was towards an "AVERAGE" and since you don't understand the definition of such multisyllabic words I suspect your post wasn't in jest.

LWW

LAMas
12-22-2007, 05:11 PM
Breaking news on G.W..

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_ id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb
U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007
December 20, 2007

Posted By Marc Morano - Marc_Morano@EPW.Senate.Gov - 9:47 AM ET

U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

Senate Report Debunks "Consensus"

Complete U.S. Senate Report Now Available: (LINK)
Complete Report w/out Intro: (LINK)

INTRODUCTION:

Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.


The new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee’s office of the GOP Ranking Member details the views of the scientists, the overwhelming majority of whom spoke out in 2007.



Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears “bite the dust.” (LINK) In addition, many scientists who are also progressive environmentalists believe climate fear promotion has "co-opted" the green movement. (LINK)


This blockbuster Senate report lists the scientists by name, country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies and original source materials as gathered from public statements, various news outlets, and websites in 2007. This new “consensus busters” report is poised to redefine the debate.


Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution. Atmospheric scientist Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, author of almost 70 peer-reviewed studies, explains how many of his fellow scientists have been intimidated.

LWW
12-22-2007, 06:33 PM
Preach on brother LAMas, preach on!

The seventh truth of Christmas, there is no damned consensus and never was and Al Gore is a frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraud!

LWW

Drop1
12-22-2007, 10:09 PM
Silence everyone, the Beatle,is going to bring us the greatest gift of all,which would be silence from El Dubya.

Quote LWW,AKA El Dubya "If only they would listen"

Qtec
12-22-2007, 10:40 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Senators Call for Investigation of Altered Climate Report

It's nice to see that there are senators who care about preserving the integrity of scientific investigations:

Democratic senators seek retraction of climate change report written by former oil lobbyist, Raw Story:

After reviewing federal laws that prohibit obstruction of Congress and false statements, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) and asked the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to determine the legality of actions taken by a former top Bush administration official who altered government scientific reports on global warming ... They have also called on the U.S. Climate Change Science Program to retract the report until an investigation is completed. Bush hired Philip Cooney, a onetime lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute (API), to be Chief of Staff of the White House’s Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) in 2001. He resigned his post to join ExxonMobil Corporation after an expose in the New York Times revealed he had hacked apart government reports to remove references to climate change. … <hr /></blockquote>

From your link, one of the scientists.
[ QUOTE ]
Renowned Scientist Defects From Belief in Global Warming – Caps Year of Vindication for Skeptics
October 17, 2006

October 17, 2006

Washington DC - One of the most decorated French geophysicists has converted from a believer in manmade catastrophic global warming to a climate skeptic. This latest defector from the global warming camp caps a year in which numerous scientific studies have bolstered the claims of climate skeptics. Scientific studies that debunk the dire predictions of human-caused global warming have continued to accumulate and many believe the new science is shattering the media-promoted scientific “consensus” on climate alarmism.

Claude Allegre, a former government official and an active member of France’s Socialist Party, wrote an editorial on September 21, 2006 in the French newspaper L'Express titled “The Snows of Kilimanjaro” (For English Translation, click here: http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&amp;id=264835 ) detailing his newfound skepticism about manmade global warming. See: http://www.lexpress.fr/idees/tribunes/dossier/allegre/dossier.asp?ida=451670 Allegre wrote that the “cause of climate change remains unknown” and pointed out that Kilimanjaro is not losing snow due to global warming, but to local land use and precipitation changes. Allegre also pointed out that studies show that Antarctic snowfall rate has been stable over the past 30 years and the continent is actually gaining ice.

“Following the month of August experienced by the northern half of France, the prophets of doom of global warming will have a lot on their plate in order to make our fellow countrymen swallow their certitudes,” Allegre wrote. He also accused proponents of manmade catastrophic global warming of being motivated by money, noting that “the ecology of helpless protesting has become a very lucrative business for some people!”

Allegre, a member of both the French and U.S. Academy of Sciences, had previously expressed concern about manmade global warming. "By burning fossil fuels, man enhanced the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which has raised the global mean temperature by half a degree in the last century," Allegre wrote 20 years ago. In addition, Allegre was one of 1500 scientists who signed a November 18, 1992 letter titled “World Scientists' Warning to Humanity” in which the scientists warned that global warming’s “potential risks are very great.” See: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/sciwarn.html

Allegre has authored more than 100 scientific articles, written 11 books and received numerous scientific awards including the Goldschmidt Medal from the Geochemical Society of the United States. <hr /></blockquote>

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Allegre wrote that the “cause of climate change remains unknown” <hr /></blockquote> ie, he does not know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, 400 is probably only about 1 % of all prominent scientists in the world.

The weather is an incredibly complex mechanism and we don't know for sure exactly how it works. Lets not forget that that it has only been recently that we have had the technology to more accurately measure and compute the vast amount of data.
What we do know is that co2 levels are way off the scale. Anyone with half a brain must realise that we have been polluting the earth in a big way for the last 100 years.

Imagine if exhaust fumes spewed by autos was not clear but colored pink. If you were downtown any major city in the US, you would not be able to see your hand in front of your face.
Think about it.

Isn't it better to be safe than sorry?

Q

Qtec
12-22-2007, 11:06 PM
[ QUOTE ]
By using the naive Euros it is quite apparent what was being shipped out to avoid detection and probably be reimported if Saddam survived. <hr /></blockquote>

It was SCRAP. Have you forgotten that after the invasion the Iraqis were ALLOWED to run riot and steal everything in sight? Everything from Museum works of art to hospital beds were stolen and sold.
web page (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3003393.stm)

These damn terrorists with their IEDs and car bombs killing innocent people- where did they get all these explosives from?
[ QUOTE ]
Bombshell for Bush: 350 tonnes of explosives go missing in Iraq
by Rupert Cornwell in Washington

George W. BushIn a massive pre-election embarrassment for the Bush administration, nearly 350 tons of lethal explosives — which could be used to trigger nuclear weapons — have vanished from a military facility in Iraq supposed to have been guarded by US troops.

Hardly had the disappearance come to light than John Kerry, the Democratic presidential challenger, seized on the episode as proof that George Bush was incapable of keeping America safe. The material could already be in terrorist hands, he warned yesterday.

This was “one of the great blunders of the war,” Mr Kerry said on the campaign trail in the swing state of New Hampshire. A statement from the Kerry/Edwards campaign lambasted the “unbelievable incompetence of this President,” saying that George Bush, “who talks tough and brags about making America safer, has once again failed to deliver.”

According to The New York Times, which broke the story in a lengthy front-page story, the missing stockpiles — some 342 tons in all — are of HMX, RMX and PETN, extremely powerful, conventional explosives that are used to blow up buildings, fill missile warheads or detonate nuclear weapons. So devastating are they that just one pound of a similar explosive was enough to destroy Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie in December 1988. HMX, RMX, or explosives like them have been used in car and apartment bombings in Moscow and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in recent years.

At the time of the US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the explosives were being stored by the Saddam regime, under United Nations control at the al-Qaqaa military facility south of Baghdad, which was mentioned in the Government’s September 2002 dossier as a source of possible chemical-weapons production. Some time after the fall of Saddam the explosives disappeared, but their loss was not formally notified to the Bush administration and the IAEA nuclear watchdog agency in Vienna until two weeks ago. <hr /></blockquote>

You can see the video report here. (http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=all&amp;edition=d&amp;tab=av&amp;recipe=all&amp;q =iraq+looting&amp;x=0&amp;y=0)


This Govt wants US troops in Iraq for as long as possible. Its the only logical explanation for the way they handled the situation after deposing Saddam.
Q

bamadog
12-22-2007, 11:42 PM
Sorry Q, this story has been debunked. Those munitions were never under US Military control. Us intelligence sources now concede those munitions were moved before the invasion. There is a thorough discussion of this matter in the book "Shadow Warriors", by Kenneth Timmerman, pgs. 189-194.

Qtec
12-23-2007, 12:05 AM
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There is a thorough discussion of this matter in the book "Shadow Warriors", by Kenneth Timmerman, pgs. 189-194. <hr /></blockquote>
5 pages in a book written by one person is a "thorough discussion"?

If its common knowledge why can't you link it on the web.
Q

LWW
12-23-2007, 04:21 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bamadog:</font><hr> Sorry Q, this story has been debunked. Those munitions were never under US Military control. Us intelligence sources now concede those munitions were moved before the invasion. There is a thorough discussion of this matter in the book "Shadow Warriors", by Kenneth Timmerman, pgs. 189-194.

<hr /></blockquote>
Q knows that from AZB ... but as we have all witnessed, when you are a moonbat you need lies to stay in business.

LWW

LWW
12-23-2007, 04:24 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> Silence everyone, the Beatle,is going to bring us the greatest gift of all,which would be silence from El Dubya.

Quote LWW,AKA El Dubya "If only they would listen" <hr /></blockquote>
I notice that you always disagree with my post yet you have never brought forth the slightest shred of evidence to contradisct any of it.

Why is that?

Save the bandwidth, it was rhetorical, we both know why.

Now, save your family further embarrassment and walk into the light of truth brother.

LWW

LWW
12-23-2007, 04:28 AM
That is some of the best obfuscation I have ever seen.

How deep was your govt in Saddam's back pocket my friend.

I know you can't talk much what with your Eurabian masters getting more and more powerful.

LWW

LWW
12-23-2007, 07:37 AM
The eighth of Christmas El Dubya gives to thee:

According to HARRY REID THE SURGE IS WORKING! (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec07/reid_12-21.html)

Truth 8A is that nary a moonbat here will pull their head from the sand to admit their errors!

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/07.09.11.Pullout-X.gif

Wolfie and Dick lay their life on the line to stop the tanks
from crushing Gaylie's remaining credibility which has been
destroyed by her defense of the Petraeus slanderers.

bamadog
12-23-2007, 01:34 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
There is a thorough discussion of this matter in the book "Shadow Warriors", by Kenneth Timmerman, pgs. 189-194. <hr /></blockquote>
5 pages in a book written by one person is a "thorough discussion"?

If its common knowledge why can't you link it on the web.
Q <hr /></blockquote>

First, five pages is more than enough to debunk that unsubstantiated accusation.

Second, although you would, no doubt, prefer Rather or Olberman, Timmerman is a highly respected journalist.

Third, if you are really interested in this matter, go down to your local bookstore and read the pages I cited. With your fascination with the US intelligence community and State Dept., I think you'll enjoy this book.
And it may just be a giant step in your education.

LAMas
12-23-2007, 04:58 PM
CUE, you post minutiae....How about the rest of the story?

The Background: Only 52 Scientists Participated in UN IPCC Summary

The over 400 skeptical scientists featured in this new report outnumber by nearly eight times the number of scientists who participated in the 2007 UN IPCC Summary for Policymakers. The notion of “hundreds” or “thousands” of UN scientists agreeing to a scientific statement does not hold up to scrutiny. (See report debunking “consensus” LINK) Recent research by Australian climate data analyst Dr. John McLean revealed that the IPCC’s peer-review process for the Summary for Policymakers leaves much to be desired. (LINK)

Proponents of man-made global warming like to note how the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) and the American Meteorological Society (AMS) have issued statements endorsing the so-called "consensus" view that man is driving global warming. But both the NAS and AMS never allowed member scientists to directly vote on these climate statements. Essentially, only two dozen or so members on the governing boards of these institutions produced the "consensus" statements. This report gives a voice to the rank-and-file scientists who were shut out of the process. (LINK)

The most recent attempt to imply there was an overwhelming scientific “consensus” in favor of man-made global warming fears came in December 2007 during the UN climate conference in Bali. A letter signed by only 215 scientists urged the UN to mandate deep cuts in carbon dioxide emissions by 2050. But absent from the letter were the signatures of these alleged “thousands” of scientists. (See AP article: - LINK )

UN IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri urged the world at the December 2007 UN climate conference in Bali, Indonesia to "Please listen to the voice of science.”

The science has continued to grow loud and clear in 2007. In addition to the growing number of scientists expressing skepticism, an abundance of recent peer-reviewed studies have cast considerable doubt about man-made global warming fears. A November 3, 2007 peer-reviewed study found that “solar changes significantly alter climate.” (LINK) A December 2007 peer-reviewed study recalculated and halved the global average surface temperature trend between 1980 – 2002. (LINK) Another new study found the Medieval Warm Period “0.3C warmer than 20th century” (LINK)

A peer-reviewed study by a team of scientists found that "warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence." (LINK) – Another November 2007 peer-reviewed study in the journal Physical Geography found “Long-term climate change is driven by solar insolation changes.” (LINK ) These recent studies were in addition to the abundance of peer-reviewed studies earlier in 2007. - See "New Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill Global Warming Fears" (LINK )


With this new report of profiling 400 skeptical scientists, the world can finally hear the voices of the “silent majority” of scientists.

Qtec
12-23-2007, 09:47 PM
Don't need to read the book, I have the videos!
web page (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/)

Bremmer contradicts himself. He says he doesn't know the facts but claims that the munitions were not there! His proof is that it would take so many trucks to move the stuff that the US would have noticed it. Funny that they didn't notice Saddam removing the stuff shortly before the invasion!
ie, by his own logic, the stuff Must have been there because if S had tried to move it, they would have seen it!
We have the video of the soldiers breaking the seal and we can see the explosives. We have the embedded reporter's evidence. They were only looking for the golden bullet, the WMDs, the 'get out of jail card' for the Govt to prove they were justified in invading . They were not interested in conventional weapons.
Doesn't it seem strange that an invading army captures an ammo dump and then abandons it to the enemy?
According to GW Al Q was present in Iraq- the invasion came as no surprise- and they leave 350 tons of high explosives for the taking - unguarded!!!???

They found explosives and moved on. A month later, when they came back, the explosives were gone.

Q.....BTW, If you want to make wild claims then you have to back it up with some kind of source. 'Read the book' is not an option.

Qtec
12-23-2007, 10:04 PM
The consensus is that we MIGHT be causing the present rapid CC. Of course you have the those who disagree but thats normal. Even more so when the data is massive and sometimes conflicting.
Q

bamadog
12-23-2007, 10:37 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> Don't need to read the book, I have the videos!


Q.....BTW, If you want to make wild claims then you have to back it up with some kind of source. 'Read the book' is not an option.
<hr /></blockquote>

What a surprise, you choose to remain ignorant.
Sometimes truth is not presented on a magic website.
You have to put in a little effort.

Qtec
12-23-2007, 10:50 PM
There is no point. Its a waste of time- believe me I have tried.
It comes down to belief. You either believe or you don't.

Q

LWW
12-24-2007, 04:58 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> There is no point. Its a waste of time- believe me I have tried.
It comes down to belief. You either believe or you don't.

Q <hr /></blockquote>
And finally we have that rarest of moments, an AHA experience by a neolib.

Since you must go on faith and faith alone Q, you are admitting that subscribers to the AGW theory are practicing a religion and not actual science.

That is a reality thinking people have known for years.

LWW

LAMas
12-24-2007, 06:14 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> The consensus is that we MIGHT be causing the present rapid CC. Of course you have the those who disagree but thats normal. Even more so when the data is massive and sometimes conflicting.
Q <hr /></blockquote>

If you are talking about China - I can start to imagine man made global warming and CC.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/06/study_finds_china_has_surpasse.php

LWW
12-24-2007, 06:52 PM
Here's a Church I think that your views would align well with.

Their leader, Saint Albert of Green Acres, is said to forgive any eco sin for only $29.95 in Carbon Credits.

It is even claimed that he caused nearly 1,000 dead voters to reanimate during the 2000 election!

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Gore_Jesus_Buddy.jpg

LWW

Qtec
12-24-2007, 09:56 PM
My mistake. I meant to reply to lotter .

Q

Qtec
12-24-2007, 10:02 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bamadog:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> Don't need to read the book, I have the videos!


Q.....BTW, If you want to make wild claims then you have to back it up with some kind of source. 'Read the book' is not an option.
<hr /></blockquote>

What a surprise, you choose to remain ignorant.
Sometimes truth is not presented on a magic website.
You have to put in a little effort. <hr /></blockquote>

I give you 3 videos, a link to the report and the evidence of the reporter and you have absolutely no comment on any of it. Whats the point of me doing your research for you when you dismiss ACTUAL FACTS out of hand?

Q..... /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Qtec
12-24-2007, 10:12 PM
No, not religion on our part.

There is no doubt that we are experiencing CC. The vast majority of scientists seem to think that we are changing the climate. They are not 100% positve . There is room for doubt but the data seems to back them up in their conclusions.
On the other side, your side, we have the religious deniers/believers who claim with 100% proof that mankind is not responsible for CC WITHOUT ANY PROOF AT ALL to back up their claims.

Take a look in the mirror .

Q

wolfdancer
12-24-2007, 11:58 PM
What a disappointment....I thought your gift was that you would be taking a hike, and taking your camp followers with you.
It would have made my Christmas.
Well, keep it in mind as a New Year's resolution.....I'll supply the party favors....

bamadog
12-25-2007, 12:44 AM
I give you 3 videos, a link to the report and the evidence of the reporter and you have absolutely no comment on any of it. Whats the point of me doing your research for you when you dismiss ACTUAL FACTS out of hand?

Q..... /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Q, I am familiar with the reporting you linked. The data in the book is more current. Those explosives were moved before US troops invaded. Here's a passage from your link:
"Whether Saddam Hussein’s forces removed the explosives before U.S. forces arrived April 3, 2003, or whether they fell into the hands of looters and insurgents afterward — because the site was not guarded by U.S. troops — has become a key issue in the campaign."

They were gone when US troops arrived. You must have a very low opinion of the US Armed Forces if you think they would just let that stuff slip through their fingers. Why, do you think, the US Forces would be careless with material like this?

wolfdancer
12-25-2007, 01:12 AM
Q, I read your post, and then the reply to it ?????????????

hondo
12-25-2007, 07:39 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> What a disappointment....I thought your gift was that you would be taking a hike, and taking your camp followers with you.
It would have made my Christmas.
Well, keep it in mind as a New Year's resolution.....I'll supply the party favors.... <hr /></blockquote>

Every time you try to get out, he drags you back in.
Every response to him is a win for him.
Focus, Wolfie, focus.
He who must not be named will get no direct responses from me on either forum.

LWW
12-25-2007, 08:06 AM
In spite of the fact you continue to houndo.

If you would only hang your head in deserved shame for one day you might regain the Christmas spirit.

LWW


http://www.melaman2.com/cartoons/singles/stills/G/grinch2.jpg

Houndo scolds Wolfie for not
warning him about the doom
which would befall him if he
returned to his trollish ways
during the Christmas Season!

wolfdancer
12-25-2007, 09:32 AM
Yeah, i know that you are right....and it's the same advice I gave to Gayle in a PM...but their posts get so outrageous, that it's hard not to reply, and feed the attention demanding ego in the process.
Bama demanded that I reread his post filled with banal insults about me, as though that would somehow validate it.
As I stated...to get a line on them....it's not just what they write, but what they don't write. Every post is either a personal attack on somebody, or they are beating their own drum.

LWW
12-25-2007, 11:28 AM
http://resources.digital-word.com/urbanmainframe.com/assets/system.image_vault/weblog/chasing_your_tail.jpg

WolfPrancer chases his own tail in
pursuit of an escape from the beat
down left in his stocking!

LWW

wolfdancer
12-25-2007, 02:28 PM
Well, at least you are adding in a little humor to you posts. It's a welcome relief from your usual invective style.

LWW
12-25-2007, 02:41 PM
http://d21c.com/tas/mtag18/fhh_dog_book.jpg

Wolfie studies hard in an attempt
to expand his vocabulary with
big monosyllabic words like
"invective".

LWW

LAMas
12-25-2007, 03:40 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> <hr /></blockquote>

Every time you try to get out, he drags you back in.
Every response to him is a win for him.
Focus, Wolfie, focus.
He who must not be named (LWW?) will get no direct responses from me on either forum. <hr /></blockquote>

Honda Nostradamus, please remember that it was your boredom with the CCB and AZ NPR that you challenged the AZ conservatives here - now you want no response - poetic justice?

Merry X-Mas

hondo
12-25-2007, 09:22 PM
Well, he's copied Sonoma's style. I guess he is capable of learning something.
His obsession with me is pretty weird. I'm in practically all of his posts.

hondo
12-25-2007, 09:28 PM
Merry x-mas? Who's "X"?
And you are right. I created this Frankenstein monster.
He's just so tedious with his lame insults.
At least your posts are worth reading.
You usually try to address the issues.
Merry Christmas, LaMas.

bamadog
12-25-2007, 10:00 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr>
At least your posts are worth reading.
You usually try to address the issues.
<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, you could learn a lot from LAMas, hondo.

LWW
12-26-2007, 05:31 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> Well, he's copied Sonoma's style. I guess he is capable of learning something.
His obsession with me is pretty weird. I'm in practically all of his posts. <hr /></blockquote>
Yep, I've learned that you are a common garden variety troll who can't be trusted.

You brought it on and as soon as I accepted you ran behind Gaylie's skirt.

Once I left your little fart pool, were you happy? No, your trollish nature led you to respark the embers.

Well, you wanted me to unbore you big daddy ... here I am.

You and your useless buddies who supposedly ran me off and made me the laughing stock are now exposed for the mental midgets they truly are and you, houndo, are exposed to your buds for being what you are ... a racist loving, Byrd voting, lie believing, troll of insignificant mental acumen to ever be much more than a troll.

Now, as I've told you, start being nice and not naughty and El Dubb will let you have the peace you say you want. The truth is houndo, you don't want it. You love the strife.

Well, I will leave this shiite hole you call home. But, I will leave on my own terms and when I see fit. You, Gaylie, SODumba, Wolf Prancer, DropOut and crew don't have near what it takes to run me off. In the meantime, and in the Holiday Spirit, I am going to beat this crew down for every lie and attack that I see.

You certainly deserve it, but even more ... the silent members of this forum who have suffered through the reign of terror her must see this group of moonbats for what they are ... NOTHING!

LWW

hondo
12-26-2007, 06:39 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bamadog:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr>
At least your posts are worth reading.
You usually try to address the issues.
<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, you could learn a lot from LAMas, hondo. <hr /></blockquote>

As could you, my friend. As could you.
I said everything I had to say about politics a year ago. You did also. You just don't realize it. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

LWW
12-26-2007, 06:41 AM
houndo, I think you could also. I just don't think you will. You prefer the state of delusion to having to pull the covers down and view what moonbat politics has wrought upon this great nation.

LWW

LWW
12-26-2007, 10:39 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LAMas:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> <hr /></blockquote>

Every time you try to get out, he drags you back in.
Every response to him is a win for him.
Focus, Wolfie, focus.
He who must not be named (LWW?) will get no direct responses from me on either forum. <hr /></blockquote>

Honda Nostradamus, please remember that it was your boredom with the CCB and AZ NPR that you challenged the AZ conservatives here - now you want no response - poetic justice?

Merry X-Mas <hr /></blockquote>
houndo live to trumpet imaginary victories over armies of strawmen and then whine aboiut being a victim when the desired result doesn't happen.

That's why houndo, wolf pranceer, gaylie, drop out, and so-dumba get along so well.

They pass the "JOINT OF NEEDED IMAGINATION" so they can dream up things that their strawmen said, then the sup from the "WHITE LIGHTNING OF BRAIN DAMAGE" so they can get the courage to even put the words into the mouth of their strawmen.

Completing that they witness the carnage they have wrought upon themselves when the real person displays any level of IQ and their strawmen turn to dust like Dracula waking up in the Baghdad jail.

Then they gather in the "CHATROOM OF ETERNAL VICTIMHOOD" like all little brownshirted jihadis so they can complain abouth how truth and justice was unfairly used as a 2X4 upside their heads.

It's really quite predictable after a very short time.

LWW

wolfdancer
12-26-2007, 02:08 PM
I'm through replying directly to LWW, but I reserve the right to comment on his posts.
I haven't seen one political post that he has made, that would make me question my own ideas and opinions. "thar ain't no meat in that stew"

LWW
12-26-2007, 02:29 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr>I haven't seen one political post that he has made, that would make me question my own ideas and opinions. "thar ain't no meat in that stew" <hr /></blockquote>
Congratulations.

Confessing you have a problem is step #1...and your problem is you are a moonbat, and your post just defined one better than I could. Someone who will ignore everything to cling to an idea that only a fool would adhere to.

LWW