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S0Noma
12-27-2007, 01:25 PM
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-12/34440836.jpg

Sights like this at a Shell station in San Mateo -- $4 or more per gallon -- could become more familiar throughout California in 2008 as gasoline will cost about 65 cents more per gallon than it did in 2007, analysts predict. (Associated Press / November 14, 2007)

By Ronald D. White

Gasoline could average $3.75 a gallon across the U.S. in a few months, pushing the price in California up and over the $4 mark, energy analysts said Wednesday.

Several factors point toward a nightmarish spring for motorists, they said, including persistently strong crude oil costs and the fact that the traditional December drop in pump prices didn't materialize.

"If anyone expects gas to be less than a new record, they are not thinking," said Fadel Gheit, senior energy analyst for Oppenheimer & Co. "There is no question it will be much higher than last year."

Americans will start 2008 paying about 65 cents more a gallon than they did in January 2007, according to the forecasts, and by April could see self-serve regular selling for $3.50 to $3.75 a gallon.

In California -- where gas this year has fetched as much as 50 cents more than the national average -- $4 a gallon "will no longer be considered a rogue number," said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service. "It will list for that much in a lot of places."

The Energy Department's weekly survey of service stations Monday found the average pump price was $2.980 nationally, a couple of pennies lower than a week earlier -- but much higher than the same period last year, when the number was $2.341 across the U.S.

"It's unprecedented having prices this high at the end of the year," said Marie Montgomery, a spokeswoman for the Automobile Club of Southern California.

Pump prices usually fall between Labor Day and the end of the year, in recent years dropping about 17% in California.

This year they did the reverse, gaining 17%.

Demand was one reason. MasterCard's weekly SpendingPulse report said the four-week average for gasoline purchases was 0.5% higher than a year earlier, boosted by shopping and vacation trips. Kloza of the Oil Price Information Service said Americans would burn about 2.5 million more gallons of gasoline this week than they did during the same week in 2006.

But the main culprit for high gas prices was the cost of crude oil, which on the futures market closed at $95.97 a barrel Wednesday in New York.

The benchmark grade of U.S. crude averaged $72 a barrel this year, the Energy Department said, up from $60.23 last year, $50.23 in 2005 and $36.98 in 2004.

Next year, the agency said in its short-term energy outlook, the average could be $85.

Both gasoline and diesel prices "are projected to average well over $3 per gallon in 2008, with gasoline prices peaking at over $3.40 per gallon next spring," the outlook said.

Gas costs more in California than nationally because the state requires a special blend to meet stiff air-quality standards and because the formula switches to a more costly summer blend before much of the rest of the nation.

Motorists found the New Year predictions infuriating.

"It's absurd, ridiculous," said Eric Mills, 40, a special-event coordinator for the entertainment industry, as he filled up his 1990 Honda Prelude with $3.399-a-gallon gasoline at a downtown Los Angeles Shell station.

"Every year I hear about fuel cells and other promising alternative fuel possibilities -- and every year I'm still putting gasoline in my car."

Kloza said that nationally for the last 25 years, the difference in the price of gas from the winter low to the spring high has been about 59%.

"I don't think we will see a typical surge, and we don't have to," Kloza said. With an increase of just 30%, he said, "you're talking about 75 cents a gallon more from where they are now."

web page (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-1227gas,0,5911310.story)

Gayle in MD
12-28-2007, 01:24 PM
Looks like Cheney's (Bush) secret energy policy is working. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

LWW
12-28-2007, 01:43 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Looks like Cheney's (Bush) secret energy policy is working. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif <hr /></blockquote>
If it's secret how do you know about it? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

LWW

wolfdancer
12-28-2007, 01:47 PM
/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Not funny you "Jew hating bit*h"
Geez, when did you become an anti-semite? That is a new
charge, to add to the many other charges leveled against
you....next thing you know....you'll be implicated in the
9/11 bombings...probably housed the terrorists while they trained to fly airplanes, but not to land them....

Gayle in MD
12-28-2007, 02:52 PM
LMAO! Shhhh, /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif don't give the peanut gallery any ideas... /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If they had a clue, they'd be dangerous, but relax, the littel sheepies don't keep up, they just follow orders from their heroes, Coulter, Limpballs, and Hannity, and the RNC talking points. Statistics, are beyond their capacity. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Love,
Gayle

LWW
12-28-2007, 03:00 PM
I just adore listening to passive aggressive moonbat rants.

I truly do.

Do you have a page with your greatest hits?

LWW

LWW
02-19-2012, 07:26 AM
I guess the Obama/Biden secret energy policy is working?

Qtec
02-19-2012, 07:59 AM
There's a place called Iran!

Something is going on there, you should check it out.

Check out oil speculation as well.

Q

LWW
02-19-2012, 08:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a place called Iran!

Something is going on there, you should check it out.

Check out oil speculation as well.

Q </div></div>

1 - The nation of Iran existed in 2007 as well, under the same insane regime as a matter of fact.

2 - That insane regime was installed by demokrook James Earl Carter.

3 - The "SOMETHING" you refer to I assume is their nuclear program, which was also going on in 2007.

4 - They are emboldened due to the current regime giving them a pass over their weapons programs and oppression.

5 - The last time Iran threatened to close the flow of oil we had a real POTUS ... who reflagged Kuwaiti tankers and dared the mullahs to order an attack, and sank a large portion of their navy.

6 - Oil speculators existed then as well as now.

7 - You and the rest of the cabal were tripping over your collective selves to see who could bleat "IT'S ALL B-B-B-BOOOOSH'S FAULT!!!!" the loudest, fastest and most frequently.

8 - Today you all are in a contest to see who can sacrifice their dignity most faithfully in defense of dear leader.

Why is that?

Soflasnapper
02-19-2012, 01:25 PM
Your signature graphic tells us so much about your 5th-grader reasoning abilities that they are wholly appropriate!

My God, what a melange of crap you spewed up here!

If your point REALLY is that W was wrongly blamed for the oil price runup, that may be so (or not), but if so, then the same thing applies for the current POTUS. The famous intellectual integrity YOU CLAIM FOR YOURSELF requires a more consistent position here.

Alternatively, if you wish to say the current POTUS is responsible for this, then by parallel reasoning, so was W, for the situation when he was in office. I think you disagree with those criticizing him for that, but that's the upshot of your position, if you had any intellectual integrity, that is.

As for the current situation being a case of Iran emboldened through 'giving them a pass,' that's backwards, of course. Iran has just had all exports to Europe cut off, as well as their ability to get money through the SWIFT system, ended.

This further tightens the usable world supply, AND Iran now threatens to take far more extreme measures, creating a pre-war panic buying situation in the futures market.

What actually emboldened Iran was the destruction of their principle regional rival power, which was Iraq. Instead of facing off a strong regional power, they are now allied with the Shi'i'a government there. The first thing the newly constituted Iraq government did was sign a mutual defense treaty with Iran.

Sev
02-19-2012, 03:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a place called Iran!

Something is going on there, you should check it out.

Check out oil speculation as well.

Q </div></div>

As if our chief putz has nothing to do with our energy prices.

Soflasnapper
02-19-2012, 03:18 PM
Yes, the actions of the Obama administration are now affecting world oil pricing, as the pressure is being ratcheted up on Iran.

Other than that, though, there is no domestic policy you can point to, affecting domestic prices. It's the international policy, which no one is calling too much, and many are calling too little.

I suppose when the Iran situation hits its critical boil, as all the GOP candidates say ought to have been yesterday, they'll then blame Obama for the $300 barrel oil prices that result.

pooltchr
02-19-2012, 03:59 PM
The inaction of the Obama admin as far as keystone, while probably having little impact on the short term prices, certainly contributed to our continued dependence on the middle east for our oil. So it would seem as if they have us over a barrel, so to speak.

Since jobs, the economy, and probably high gas prices will likely be the leading voter concerns in Nov, I hope whoever opposes Obama makes good use of his keystone stand to get him out of the White House as soon as possible. I don't even care if he steals the WH china and silver on his way out!!!!!!

Steve

Sev
02-19-2012, 04:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, the actions of the Obama administration are now affecting world oil pricing, as the pressure is being ratcheted up on Iran.

Other than that, though, there is no domestic policy you can point to, affecting domestic prices. It's the international policy, which no one is calling too much, and many are calling too little.

I suppose when the Iran situation hits its critical boil, as all the GOP candidates say ought to have been yesterday, they'll then blame Obama for the $300 barrel oil prices that result. </div></div>

Lets see.
No Keystone pipeline and more restrictions on drilling and exploration would not have anything to do with it??

OH forget spouting that we are producing more of our oil than in the past. That oil is coming from privat operations that already existed.

LWW
02-19-2012, 05:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your signature graphic tells us so much about your 5th-grader reasoning abilities that they are wholly appropriate!

My God, what a melange of crap you spewed up here!

If your point REALLY is that W was wrongly blamed for the oil price runup, that may be so (or not), but if so, then the same thing applies for the current POTUS. The famous intellectual integrity YOU CLAIM FOR YOURSELF requires a more consistent position here.

Alternatively, if you wish to say the current POTUS is responsible for this, then by parallel reasoning, so was W, for the situation when he was in office. I think you disagree with those criticizing him for that, but that's the upshot of your position, if you had any intellectual integrity, that is.

As for the current situation being a case of Iran emboldened through 'giving them a pass,' that's backwards, of course. Iran has just had all exports to Europe cut off, as well as their ability to get money through the SWIFT system, ended.

This further tightens the usable world supply, AND Iran now threatens to take far more extreme measures, creating a pre-war panic buying situation in the futures market.

What actually emboldened Iran was the destruction of their principle regional rival power, which was Iraq. Instead of facing off a strong regional power, they are now allied with the Shi'i'a government there. The first thing the newly constituted Iraq government did was sign a mutual defense treaty with Iran.

</div></div>

You almost have it Sherlock.

My point is that, on yet another topic, the leftist cabal here is completely incapable of using a single standard of judgement on a non partisan basis.

Get it.

LWW
02-19-2012, 05:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first thing the newly constituted Iraq government did was sign a mutual defense treaty with Iran.</div></div>

Link?

Soflasnapper
02-19-2012, 08:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> [...] the leftist cabal here is completely incapable of using a single standard of judgement on a non partisan basis.

Get it. </div></div>

There is no cabal with one member. Stop living in the past and nursing old wounds. Much better for your mental health.

Soflasnapper
02-19-2012, 09:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first thing the newly constituted Iraq government did was sign a mutual defense treaty with Iran.</div></div>

Link? </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Iran, Iraq Agree On Military Cooperation
July 07, 2005

Iran said today that it will complete a military and anti-terrorist cooperation agreement with Iraq that will include Iranian help in training Iraq's armed forces.

Iraqi Defense Minister Sa'dun al-Dulaymi told a joint news conference with Iranian Defense and Armed Forces Logistics Minister Ali Shamkhani that he is visiting Iran, in his words, "to ask forgiveness for what Saddam Hussein has done." Iraq and Iran fought a bitter war in the 1980s during Hussein's rule.

Asked about possible U.S. opposition to Iran-Iraq military cooperation, al-Dulaymi said: "No one can prevent us from reaching an agreement."

He pledged also that Iraq will not permit any country to attack Iran from Iraqi territory.

Today's announcement appeared to be a substantial shift in Iraq policy toward Iran. Last year, Iraq curtly refused an Iranian offer to help train Iraqi border guards.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/07/d2b07c76-5c55-4943-ba8e-a431f003fd12.html </div></div>

Occurred under the original interim government headed by al-Jaffari.

This page has it, (http://dotandcalm.com/calm-archive/index/t-10728.html) and other stories related.

LWW
02-20-2012, 04:25 AM
And, as usual, that doesn't say what you claim happened.