How can you tell a rant from a fact based review? [Archive]

LWW

01-12-2008, 03:34 PM

A recent POST (http://www.billiardsdigest.com/ccboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=npr&Number=268837&page=0&v iew=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=11) left me in shock and awe:

<blockquote>Quote Gayle in MD:<hr>Saddam didn't attack America 

Gayle in Md.<hr /></blockquote>

Not true.

Abu Abbas traveling on Iraqi diplomatic papers kidnapped the Achille Lauro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achille_Lauro) and murdering US citizen Leon Klinghofer in cold blood. Abbas lived in Iraq under Saddam’s protection and on an Iraqi pension until 2003 when the US toppled Saddam

<blockquote>Quote Gayle in MD:<hr> Iraq had not terrorists. 

Gayle in Md.<hr /></blockquote>

Not true.

Saddamite Hussinsein (http://www.husseinandterror.com/) funded terrorist attacks which led to the murder of dozens of Americans and hundreds of others as well as murdering conservatively 400,000 of his citizens.

Not only was Saddam a sponsor of terrorism, he was himself a terrorist.

<blockquote>Quote Gayle in MD:<hr> Iraq had no weapons capable of reaching our shores 

Gayle in Md.<hr /></blockquote>

Irrelevant.

Saddam had missiles capable of hitting US forces in neighboring nations as well as US allies. Argument to the contrary is ridiculous as they were used … even though labeled as WMD by UN definition and banned … as recently as 2003 as well as having launched attacks against Iran, Israel, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia in the region.

<blockquote>Quote Gayle in MD:<hr> We signed agreements that we would not attack, or occupy another country without first going to the UN for support in our decision.

Gayle in Md.<hr /></blockquote>

Deflection and misdirection.

Also, irrelevant.

The CEASEFIRE (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/08/national/main528675.shtml) allowed for hostilities to resume upon Iraq’s failure to comply with it’s obligations which it clearly did..

<blockquote>Quote Gayle in MD:<hr>Bush is calling it pre-emption. Preemption is when there is an impending attack, and we know that it is about to happen, and take action first. There was no impending attack. We broke our agreements. The war is illegal. thees actions, along with using torture, are war crimes. 

Gayle in Md.<hr /></blockquote>

It doesn’t matter what he calls it. Attacks had been going on for years. Saddam broke HIS agreements. The war is eminently legal. If there are war crimes then where are the tribunals and how far deep do you suggest we go? Bush? San Fran Nan? Kennedy? Kerry? Rockefeller? Clinton? All? None?

The facts are as they have been presented vs the rant of an, at best, woefully uninformed partisan.

The facts will not be contested because the left here knows them to be the truth, however inconvenient they may be.

LWW

Qtec

01-13-2008, 07:54 PM

<blockquote>Quote LWW:<hr> A recent POST (http://www.billiardsdigest.com/ccboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=npr&Number=268837&page=0&v iew=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=11) left me in shock and awe:

<blockquote>Quote Gayle in MD:<hr>Saddam didn't attack America 

Gayle in Md.<hr /></blockquote>

Not true.

Abu Abbas traveling on Iraqi diplomatic papers kidnapped the Achille Lauro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achille_Lauro) and murdering US citizen Leon Klinghofer in cold blood. Abbas lived in Iraq under Saddam’s protection and on an Iraqi pension until 2003 when the US toppled Saddam
LWW
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[ QUOTE ]
Abu Abbas:
from terrorist to peace advocate
Abbas

May 10, 1996
Web posted at: 10:50 p.m. EDT (0230 GMT)

From Correspondent Rob Reynolds

GAZA STRIP (CNN) -- For years, Abu Abbas was feared as an international terrorist in Israel and Europe, and idolized as a freedom fighter in the Arab world. In the United States, he's known as the mastermind of the Achille Lauro hijacking, which received international attention and cost an American his life.

But times have changed, and now, he offers advice on reaching a lasting peace in the Middle East.
Abbas as peacemaker

He spends his days rushing from meeting to meeting, lunching with officials of the new Palestinian National Authority, networking, listening and making suggestions.

He says it surprises him that he's even in Gaza. Israel allowed him in to cast his vote at a meeting of the Palestinian National Council last month and has turned a blind eye to his presence since then.
<hr /></blockquote>

Abbas wasn't even on the ship. He was given [ they say] an Iraqi diplomatic passport as part of the deal. ie when the AC was hijacked, he didn't have an Iraqi passport. If you are trying to say Saddam was part of the AC hijacking then prove it.

Was there only ONE JEW on the AC? If they were out to kill Jews, why didn't they kill the rest?

[ QUOTE ]
Quote Gayle in MD: Iraq had not terrorists.

Gayle in Md.

Not true.

Saddamite Hussinsein funded terrorist attacks which led to the murder of dozens of Americans and hundreds of others as well as murdering conservatively 400,000 of his citizens.

Not only was Saddam a sponsor of terrorism, he was himself a terrorist.
<hr /></blockquote>

Haven't we been through this about a zillion times?
Do you know what 'sponserd' means?
Can you prove Saddam sponsored terror?
The fact is, the suicide bombings were happening long before S started paying [ according to him] COMPENSATION to those who's houses had been demolished by the ILLEGAL act of collective punishment..

[ QUOTE ]
Saddam Pays 25K for Palestinian Bombers

Tuesday , March 26, 2002
By Ken Layne

FC1
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Saddam Hussein is paying $25,000 to the relatives of Palestinian suicide bombers — a $15,000 raise much welcomed by the bombers' families.

In Tulkarm, one of the poorest towns on the West Bank, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council handed out the checks from Saddam. The payments have been made for at least two years, but the amount has suddenly jumped up by $15,000 — a bonus for the families of martyrs, to reward those taking part in the escalating war against Israel.

Paul McGeough, reporting from the West Bank, was the only foreign correspondent in the hall Monday night when a Palestinian official handed out the checks. McGeough's story in today's Sydney Morning Herald describes a very hellish twist on the Academy Awards:

The men at the top table then opened Saddam's checkbook and, as the names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign for checks written in U.S. dollars.

Those of two suicide bombers were the first to be paid the new rate of $25,000 U.S. and those whose relatives had died in other clashes with the Israeli military were given $10,000 U.S. each.

The $500,000 U.S. doled out in this impoverished community yesterday means that the besieged Iraqi leader now has contributed more than $10 million to grieving Palestinian families since the new intifada began 18 months ago.
web page (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,48822,00.html)<hr /></blockquote>

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Israeli troops demolish suicide bomber's house
Ali Daraghmeh Associated Press

NABLUS, West Bank -- The Israeli army destroyed the home of a teenage suicide bomber Tuesday despite his mother's public and impassioned criticism of the group that sent her son on the deadly mission.

Israeli military officials acknowledged the woman's grief but insisted the policy of demolishing bombers' houses is necessary to deter more attacks. The militants who sent the teen said they would try to rebuild the family's home.

The incident focused new attention on an Israeli policy that has drawn criticism from Palestinians and human rights groups, which say tearing down homes amounts to collective punishment.

After the demolition, the bomber's mother, Samira Abdullah, backed off her criticism of her sons' handlers, saying her anger had subsided and praising the teenager as a hero.

The about-face underscored the complexity of Palestinian feelings over suicide missions -- a mixture of support for attacks on Israel, unease with the growing use of teenage bombers, fear of crossing militants and a sense of dread over harsh Israeli reprisals.

On Monday, Abdullah's son, 16-year-old Eli Amer Alfar, blew himself up in an open-air market in Tel Aviv, killing three Israelis and wounding more than 30 others.

The victims were identified as Shmuel Levy, 65, a retired engineer who immigrated to Israel from Bulgaria in 1989; Leah Levine, a 67- year-old Holocaust survivor and folk dancing teacher; and Tatiana Ackerman, 32, a Russian immigrant who left a husband and 12-year-old daughter.

In what has become a familiar scene, Israeli troops on Tuesday razed the home of Alfar's family in the Askar refugee camp near Nablus in the West Bank. Alfar's family of 12, including his parents and six siblings, had removed their belongings ahead of the demolition.

The army also destroyed the homes of two senior members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the radical PLO faction that claimed responsibility for the blast.

Over the past three years, the army has demolished more than 612 homes of Palestinian militants involved in attacks on Israelis, according to the Israeli human rights group B'tselem. It said 3,900 people were left homeless.<hr /></blockquote>

...........and Saddam COMPENSATES them.
What if the bomber lived on the 5th floor of a block of flats?
Answer. take down the whole building.

Sure, we all agree Saddam was a bad guy and that he gassed the Kurds, but he also used CWs on Iran [ 100,s of times] but that wasn't even mentioned at his trial.
How come?

Why don't you do some REAL research next time before you post these 'facts'?

Q