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pooltchr
01-13-2008, 05:41 PM
The Democrats have gotten themselves into a no-win situation in this election. If they don't support Hillary, the will be accused of being sexists. If they don't support Obama, they will be accused of being racists. And if they support Edwards, the will be accused of being both!

This could get very interesting!

Steve

LWW
01-13-2008, 07:32 PM
This is a very weak field on both sides.

That being said, the Clintonista machine is powerful and armed with 700+ illegally obtained FBI files on most all leading pols in the country.

They have shown a willingness in the past to leak data thru sources such as Larry Flynt to force others in the DNC to toe the line.

LWW

nAz
01-13-2008, 09:33 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote LWW:</font><hr> This is a very weak field on both sides.

That being said, the Clintonista machine is powerful and armed with 700+ illegally obtained FBI files on most all leading pols in the country.

They have shown a willingness in the past to leak data thru sources such as Larry Flynt to force others in the DNC to toe the line.

LWW <hr /></blockquote>

hey lww , what were the official findings into this matter? i never heard much about it.

LWW
01-13-2008, 10:27 PM
They were pulled by an unauthorized staff member that nobody remembers hiring. Imagine that.

LWW

Drop1
01-13-2008, 10:39 PM
Who were the sources? Connect them to Larry Flynt.Name people in the DNC who were forced to toe the line. Tell everyone what the line is,and wrap it up by connecting all information to the Clintons. Its your post pal,lets see what you got.

Drop1
01-13-2008, 10:42 PM
That is easy to imagine,and only you knew about it...imagine.

LWW
01-13-2008, 10:58 PM
Sure. The sources for the files were the FBI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filegate)

[ QUOTE ]
The White House FBI files controversy of the Clinton Administration, often referred to in the press as Filegate,[1] arose in June 1996 around improper access in 1993 and 1994 to Federal Bureau of Investigation security-clearance documents.[2] Craig Livingstone, director of the White House's Office of Personnel Security,[3] improperly requested, and received from the FBI, background reports without asking permission of the subject individuals. Estimates range from 400 to 700 to 900 unauthorized file disclosures.[4][5][6][7] The incident caused a firestorm of criticism because many of the files covered White House employees from previous Republican administrations, including top figures such as James Baker, Brent Scowcroft, and Marlin Fitzwater.[5] Under criticism, Livingstone resigned from his position...A secondary question of the Filegate controversy revolved around what the Office of Personnel Security was, who had authorized the hiring of Livingstone, and whether he was qualified for the job. The Office was not responsible for actual White House security, as that was the charge of the United States Secret Service,[3] nor did it perform background checks on potential White House employees, a task done by the FBI,[17] nor did it keep the regular personnel files of employees, which were held in a different office within the White House.[9] Rather, its role was to keep track of who was employed by the White House, make sure their security clearances were up to date, and give security briefings to new hires.[18] Nevertheless, Livingstone seemed to lack qualifications for even this position; he had worked on a number of Democratic Party campaigns and transitions,[17] including being an advance man for the Clinton-Gore 1992 campaign,[3] and his only prior job in the "security" field was that of a local bar bouncer[4] at a Washington, D.C., night club. (At the congressional hearings, Livingstone objected to "false and unfair caricatures of who I am. [...] I have worked hard for little or no pay in political campaigns for candidates who I felt would make this country a better place to live."[17]) Clinton opponents stated that Livingstone had the highest level of security clearances in the U.S. government.[19] White House officials could not explain why Livingstone was hired, nor who had hired him.<hr /></blockquote>

LWW

LWW
01-13-2008, 11:02 PM
HERE (http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/1998/128.shtml) is data on the lawsuit filed linking Clinton to Flynt to Clinton's PI firm and the FBI files.

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Responding to a Tuesday Los Angeles Times report that Clinton "regaled" a group at the White House with the details of a letter from pornographer Larry Flynt to Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman noted that "this is further powerful circumstantial evidence that Flynt is in league with President Clinton." Other media outlets have reported that Flynt, in his effort to destroy Republicans such as Congressman Bob Livingston, is using a private investigative firm in Washington, DC composed of former CIA and FBI agents. "This almost certainly is the Presidentís private investigative firm IGI, run by Terry Lenzner with the aid of Larry Potts, who left the FBI under a cloud," noted Klayman.

"We deposed the Clinton private eyes in our Filegate suit. Lenzner, President Clintonís private investigator, refused to say whether anyone ever asked him to use FBI files. The President then personally intervened in our lawsuit to try to prevent us from getting answers to this and other key questions. James Carville, who works closely with the White House, produced evidence in our Filegate suit that he was looking at the sex lives of investigators and had a connection to Lenzner. And George Stephanopoulos, who talked of a Clinton "Ellen Rometsch strategy" back in February (a strategy which historically referred to the use of FBI files for political blackmail), will be redeposed on his apparently incomplete document production in our Filegate lawsuit soon," Klayman added.

"In the meantime, Clinton should publicly denounce the activities of Flynt/Carville and fire his private investigators," Klayman concluded. "This Oval Office-directed smear machine, which is believed to involve the use of government files, must be exposed and stopped."<hr /></blockquote>

LWW

LWW
01-13-2008, 11:04 PM
Data from those files on Livingston, Barr, and Gingrich were released via Flynt.

Clinton all of a sudden ducked impeachment even though over 90 of the 100 senators are on record saying he is guilty.

Any questions dropout?

LWW

LWW
01-13-2008, 11:06 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> That is easy to imagine,and only you knew about it...imagine. <hr /></blockquote>
Millions of people know about it.

We are the people who read the data instead of having someone tell us what we think.

Sorry you haven't decided to join us yet.

None of this data is hard to find, you just never cared enough abouth the truth to find it.

LWW

wolfdancer
01-13-2008, 11:19 PM
still makes the choices much more palatable then the right wing menu....

nAz
01-14-2008, 02:03 AM
I just started doing a quick search on this subject, came across this article... if i have more time i will fact check it...

Official findings

On November 19, 1998, Independent Counsel Starr testified before the House Judiciary Committee in connection with the Impeachment of Bill Clinton over charges related to the Lewinsky scandal. Here, for the first time, Starr exonerated both President Clinton and the First Lady of complicity in the FBI files matter, saying "while there are outstanding issues that we are attempting to resolve with respect to one individual [we] found no evidence that anyone higher [than Livingstone or Marceca] was in any way involved in ordering the files from the FBI. Second, we have found no evidence that information contained in the files of former officials was used for an improper purpose."[22] (Starr also chose this occasion to clear President Clinton in the Travelgate matter, and to say that he had not committed impeachable wrongdoing in the Whitewater matter; Democrats on the committee immediately criticized Starr for withholding all these findings until after the 1998 Congressional elections.[23])

In March 2000, Independent Counsel Robert Ray, Starr's successor, issued the office's final report on the matter. Ray determined that there was no credible evidence of any criminal activity by any individual in the matter.[24] It attributed the improper collection of the files by Marceca due to his having an outdated Secret Service list of White House passes, as Marceca had originally claimed.[24] It stated that even though Marceca's statements were sometimes "contradictory and misleading",[8] they were "sufficiently transparent"[8] and there was insufficient evidence to prove that Anthony Marceca had made false statements to Congress during his testimony.[7] The report ascribed the FBI files matter to "a failure of process at many levels," saying that the Secret Service had provided critically erroneous data,[8] and that this was compounded by the White House's informal process of requesting sensitive information by "inexperienced, untrained, and unsupervised personnel with backgrounds as political operatives."[8]

Based on an investigation that included the prior fingerprint analysis,[24] Ray's report further stated "there was no substantial and credible evidence that any senior White House official, or First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, was involved in seeking confidential Federal Bureau of Investigation background reports of former White House staff from prior administrations of President Bush and President Reagan."[7]

Ray's report also concluded that there was no credible evidence that Bernard Nussbaum testified falsely about not having discussed Livingstone's hiring with the First Lady, and found as well that there was no personal relationship between the First Lady and Livingstone that had formed the basis for his hiring.[7]

[edit] Judicial Watch lawsuit

Separately from the Independent Counsel investigation, Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, engaged in long-running litigation over the White House personnel file controversy.[25] Judicial Watch's Cara Leslie Alexander et al. vs. Federal Bureau of Investigation et al. class action lawsuit, filed on behalf of several members of the Reagan and George H. W. Bush Administrations,[26] alleged that Livingstone, along with Anthony Marceca and William Kennedy, obtained the files and then rifled through them. As late as January 2000 they were filing affidavits in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia under Judge Royce C. Lamberth related to the case.[27] In their $90 million lawsuit,[28] they claimed that the First Lady did, despite her denials, know Livingstone ó indeed, that Livingstone had bragged to associates he was very close to both the president and his wife, and that Clinton had personally hired him for the security job.[28] (White House defenders pointed out that Livingstone had a long history of exaggerating his importance and connections.[3]) Judicial Watch also said they had five sources who claimed Livingstone had been hired by and worked under the First Lady,[28] and also discovered some photographs of Livingstone in the vicinity of the First Lady (but not talking with him).[19] In December 2002 Judicial Watch obtained a ruling from Judge Lamberth that recently uncovered White House e-mails be searched for possible evidence in the lawsuit.[29], and Judicial Watch founder Larry Klayman and Clintons antagonist suprÍme said that, "Hillary Clinton was the mastermind of Filegate. She will not escape justice."[29] Klayman and Judicial Watch had a severe falling out in 2003,[30] however; as of June 2007, nothing further appears to have happened in the lawsuit other than a court document filed in April 2004.[26]

LWW
01-14-2008, 04:54 AM
So, you found the data on Billy Dale ... yet another abuse of power instance.

LWW

pooltchr
01-14-2008, 05:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> still makes the choices much more palatable then the right wing menu.... <hr /></blockquote>

While I agree that neither party has been able to find a strong candidate, I find Obama on the left, and Thompson on the right to be the best of the worst. If McCain prevails on the Rep ticket, the Dem's can't lose either way!
Steve

LWW
01-14-2008, 06:05 AM
McCain is another closet liberal like Bush.

LWW

LWW
01-14-2008, 07:01 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Drop1:</font><hr> Who were the sources? Connect them to Larry Flynt.Name people in the DNC who were forced to toe the line. Tell everyone what the line is,and wrap it up by connecting all information to the Clintons. Its your post pal,lets see what you got.<hr /></blockquote>
I also find it quite amusing that after posting a bigoted anti Catholic hate site as "PROOF" of God only know what liberal delusion of B-B-B-BUT BOOOOSH ... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ... B-B-B-BUT BOOOOSH... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ... B-B-B-BUT BOOOOSH ... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ... B-B-B-BUT BOOOOSH you were trying to make you now amazingly are a fan of the rule of law.

Here's the net result, one of you will find an idiot with a blog who says B-B-B-BUT BOOOOSH ... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ... B-B-B-BUT BOOOOSH ... KARL ROVE DID IT ... B-B-B-BUT BOOOOSH ... OR MAYBE CHENEY ... B-B-B-BUT BOOOOSH and you will accept the lie.

LWW

Gayle in MD
01-14-2008, 09:54 AM
The DEMS in a no win situation, LMAO...typical reverse republican psychology. Republicans can't even raise enough money to campaign.

As the economy worsens, and more of our poor troops are slaughtered in the illegal immoral never ending war, and Pakistan and Afghanistan reguire more money and troops to quell the regional instability that Bush's "Go off half cocked" foreign policy has wrought, the words of the Democrats throughout this fubar fiasco will prove even more prophetic.

By voting time, it's going to be the war, and the economy, and Republican won't be able to pray or scare their way out of this one. Their only hope is more jamming of Democratic phone lines, and purging legal voters off the voting lists.

I have to laugh when some of the right wing pundits try to say that another attack would help our Republicans, yeah, right! It would only prove that fighting them over there, didn't work.

I for one am enjoying watching these criminals get their comeupance. Maybe Huckabee can hire someone to smash up the voting machines before the results come inm like he did with the computers in the governors office before he left, or McCain can start explaining why our troops are still in Iraq, being killed, after the surge has sputtered out, and more of them end up in Afghanistan. Or they can prop Thompson up in a chair, and give him a good shot of speed, so his appearances won't look so much like "Weekend AT Bernies". Or Romney can come up with some more lies about walking with Martin Luther, and in his hunting fatiques.

This bunch is comical. Yeah, go out and vote Republican, they can't even manage their campaign money. McCain was the first one to go in the red.

Sympathy for the Dems, BWA HA HA HA....nice try. Nearly three times the turn out, and three times the money contributions...they're crying all the way to the bank!

Gayle in Md.

Drop1
01-14-2008, 10:24 AM
Circumstantial evidence all... You posted the fat girl movie,does that make you a pornographer? I'm not anti Catholic,or pro Catholic. I'm an atheist,besides it is only you fishing for something to say,when you have nothing to say. Did you read the post by nAz? It was however nice of you to follow instructions. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

LWW
01-14-2008, 11:12 AM
So, as long as the guard at the gulag has a (D) next to his name you don't care?

You are the bigger part of the problem than the pols.

Partisans have killed the nation.

LWW

LWW
01-14-2008, 11:14 AM
Nice try dropout.

I predicted your usual and typical lame reply already.

The bottom line is that you have nothing to refute it and understand it's veracity ... although I doubt you know the meaning of the word veracity ... it just doesn't matter to you because you are a partisan hack.

LWW

Drop1
01-14-2008, 01:45 PM
Yer funny.Keep swinging Rocky,we all need a good laugh. Pelosi who,went right over your head. So you don't remember President Johnson,and Bobby who. You better put a glass window in your stomach,so you can see where your going with your head up your a$$.

wolfdancer
01-14-2008, 01:51 PM
LOL !!!!!

pooltchr
01-14-2008, 08:01 PM
Poor Gayle. You can't even read a simple post and grasp the concept. It has nothing to do with raising money, or anything else except the perceptions of the voters who choose any of the Dem candidates. You yourself were guilty in another thread...calling Oprah racist for supporting Obama. If she supported Hillary, I guess she would be sexist.

Now the Obama and Clinton camps are playing the race card against one another. The cracks are beginning to show. It remains to be seen if either of them can hold it together enough to survive the campaign.

Steve

Gayle in MD
01-14-2008, 09:13 PM
Dream on Sherlock. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

bamadog
01-15-2008, 12:01 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>

I have to laugh when some of the right wing pundits try to say that another attack would help our Republicans, yeah, right! It would only prove that fighting them over there, didn't work.



Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Well, then by your logic, you agree that, since there haven't been any attacks here in over SIX YEARS, fighting them over there HAS WORKED in keeping America safe.

LWW
01-15-2008, 04:54 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr>Sympathy for the Dems, BWA HA HA HA....nice try. Nearly three times the turn out, and three times the money contributions...they're crying all the way to the bank!

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>
When you accept money from the ChiComs that happens.

LWW