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02-01-2008, 08:04 AM

Seems like every Pastor in the US has a private jet? Glad to see someone is doing something about it.

Is giving money to these guys money well spent?

I read some of K Copeland sermons, also under investigation.. WOW! Is that guy on drugs?


Kenneth Copeland has taught the following

That we do not have a god in us but that we are a God.
“You don’t have a God in you. You are one!” - The Force of Love audiotape

That Adam was God manifest in the flesh.
"God's reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself. I mean a reproduction of Himself, and in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. . . . Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus. . . . Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh."
Following the Faith of Abraham I, side 1

God is the greatest failure in the Universe
"I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is....The biggest one is God....I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the Fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least--that's a big loss, man. . .
Praise-a-Thon program on TBN [April 1988]

God lives on a mother planet
"Heaven has a north and a south and an east and a west. Consequently, it must be a planet."
Spirit, Soul and Body I 1985 audiotape #01-0601, side 1

"You don't think earth was first, do you? Huh? Well, you don't think that God made man in His image, and then made earth in some other image? There is not anything under this whole sun that's new. Are you hearing what I'm saying? This is all a copy. It's a copy of home. It's a copy of the Mother Planet. Where God lives, He made a little one just like His and put us on it."
Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape #01-3001, side 1

* The death of Jesus on the Cross did not pay the price for sins

"It wasn't the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin..anybody could do that"
What Satan saw on the day of Pentecost

“Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only” “When he said ‘It is finished’ on that cross, he was not speaking of the plan of redemption. The plan of redemption had just begun, there were still three days and three nights to be gone through.” “[Jesus] accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own Spirit, and at the moment that He did so, He cried ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’.” “He [Jesus] was down in that pit and there he suffered the punishment for three horrible days and nights for Adam’s treason... There is a new birth takes place in the very depths of the earth, when the command of God says ‘That’s enough, loose him and let him go’.”
What Happened from the Cross to the Throne

Jesus was raped by homosexual Roman soldiers everyway possible
"Let me tell you something folks. Anybody in here that's ever been sexually abused, listen to me right now. Listen to me very carefully. The bible's very careful about the way it says these things. But down there in that dungeon, Romans, ungodly men, ungodly men, put him (Jesus) to every kind of abuse that you can think of. There is no sin that Jesus didn't bare. There is no thing, there is no such thing as a sexual abuse on somebody that Jesus doesn't know firsthand what it's all about. He's been where you are, I don't care what you've been through, Jesus has been through it. And everything's done to him that we we couldn't even speak of."
The Resurrection Truth

God and Adam are the same size
God spoke Adam into existence in authority with words. These words struck Adam's body in the face. His body and God were exactly the same size."
Holy Bible, Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition 1991, 45, emphasis in original

God has no right to the earth at all, he needs an invitation
"God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. . . . He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn't come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He's gonna have to be in agreement with a man here."
God's Covenants With Man II 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1

Adam looks the same as Jesus and God
"[Adam] was the copy, looked just like [God]. If you stood Adam upside God, they look exactly alike. If you stood Jesus and Adam side by side, they would look and sound exactly alike."
Authority of the Believer IV 1987, audiotape #01-0304, side 1

Other Teachings

"Adam was made in the image of God. He was as much female as he was male. He was exactly like God. Then God separated him and removed the female part. Woman means 'man with the womb.' Eve had as much authority as Adam did as long as they stayed together."
Sensitivity of Heart KCP Publications, 1984, 23

"He [Jesus] is suffering all that there is to suffer. There is no suffering left apart from Him. His emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing [hell]. And the Devil thinks he's got Him destroyed."
Believer's Voice of Victory" program [21 April 1991]. This message was originally delivered at the Full Gospel Motorcycle Rally Association 1990 Rally at Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas

"That Word of the living God went down into that pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil had never seen before."
The Price of it All," Believer's Voice of Victory 19, 9 [September 1991]:4

"He [Jesus] was literally being reborn before the devil's very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles. . . .Jesus was born again--the firstborn from the dead the Word calls Him--and He whipped the devil in his own backyard. He took everything he had away from him. He took his keys and his authority away from him." (Ibid., 4-6.)

"As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word."
Our Covenant with God [Fort Worth, TX: KCP Publications, 1987], 32<hr /></blockquote>

Even if Ed or Benny etc would just sleep in his private jet instead of taking the most expensive suit in a hotel, that would help a lot of people.
If you are living on the street, $50 or even $20 is a lot of cash and could make a HUGE difference.
I can't see how anyone could justify this as helping the needy.

If Benny says he can heal the sick then he should be made to prove it or STFU.
IMO He should be in jail. What a creep!

Q......unbelievable. They are con men - pure and simple.

02-01-2008, 08:07 AM
Yes, I think most of us would agree this is fraud.

02-01-2008, 09:23 AM
This guy is better,. mind punch (http://www.blinkx.com/videos/Derren+Brown%3Akung+fu)

Compared to this , WB seems quite archaic.

This is bizarre
Al web page (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2428437236878343763)

02-01-2008, 09:29 AM
Bizarre is what we do best.

Gayle in MD
02-02-2008, 09:09 AM
The power of myth in financial results. Sort of reminds one of Bush's many incompetent, criminal and corrupt contractors and the many billions of stolen American Tax dollars. Money for nothing, and thousands die, for nothing.