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cheesemouse
02-07-2008, 01:17 PM
The first I remember politics entering my mind was the "I like Ike" slogan. We had just got our first black&white tv, it had rabbit ears and yes we put tinfoil on them to help bring in the only station available. I would watch anything that one station put on the screen. One of the first events I got to watch was a nominating convention for a party's candidate for the POTUS. At my young age I had not developed any political sympathies to keep track of, all I saw was that wonderful new toy in our living room. I could have cared less what was on the screen, anything would do. My main concern was not sitting to close and going blind, the danger my mom kept warning me of every time I parked my skinny ass on the floor in front of the one eyed monster. Little did I realize that the mold able young mind was being converted into a citizen. I have watched both conventions each and every year since. From the first where it was power brokers in cigar smoke filled back rooms that picked the candidate to the coronations of today they still transport this citizen to enjoy every second of the process....what's the title of that song "Something is happening here...But you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones?" by Bob Dylan. This election year is shaping up to be one of the best yet....I love it...

The best thing about it is no matter what happens we citizens come out winners. I have an outcome in mind that I would prefer but I'll take anything after what we have braved out for seven long years. Anyone else suspect "something is happening here"?

eg8r
02-07-2008, 03:40 PM
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The best thing about it is no matter what happens we citizens come out winners. <hr /></blockquote> I sometimes struggle to believe this but you may be on to something. This election is a little boring for me simply because there is not one single person running that I care for. I do think it is high time for some serious tax reform so if I knew Huckabee could actually push the Fair Tax I might have an interest but I just don't think it is going to happen. I am just sitting back watching this year and will probably pick my person at the very last second possible.

eg8r

hondo
02-07-2008, 04:04 PM
I do not believe that if McCain is elected Pres. we will " come out winners."
The man is nuts.
I notice all the Bushies are starting to jump on the McCain bandwagon.
Simply verifies what I suspected when they praised Bush.
Sad! Sad! Sad!

pooltchr
02-07-2008, 06:42 PM
Actually, I am quite frustrated at the moment. It seems the field is narrowed down to 3 liberal socialist candidates. I would be happy with one candidate I could support...but there just aren't any. Maybe a dark horse independent will join in the fun and games. /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Steve

Drop1
02-07-2008, 07:13 PM
Hondo,jumping for the Bushies,is not something they think about,it is something they do. They would be jumping for Howard Stern,had Stern become the nominee.

Deeman3
02-07-2008, 07:45 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> I do not believe that if McCain is elected Pres. we will " come out winners."
The man is nuts. <font color="blue"> I'm not so sure any of the candidates have our best interest at heart. I do think he deserves better than "the man is nuts". I don't think most of us on here, even those who profess valor on the keyboard, would have lasted 7 years in a Hanoi prison and even fewer would have stayed the extra five when given the option to leave his men. </font color>

I notice all the Bushies are starting to jump on the McCain bandwagon. <font color="blue"> I have not noticed that. Most on the far right have said they will vote for a democratic candidate rather than him. That is their right, but most of them sat the war out with Bush, Kerry and the rest.

He may be a flaming liberal, but I think he deserves our respect even those who don't vote for him.
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Simply verifies what I suspected when they praised Bush.
Sad! Sad! Sad! <hr /></blockquote>

wolfdancer
02-07-2008, 08:27 PM
Kerry sat the war out?...with Bush???

web page (http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp)
web page (http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp)

Deeman3
02-07-2008, 09:11 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> Kerry sat the war out?...with Bush???

web page (http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp)
web page (http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp) <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> I did that just to bait you out as I had to be in here until 11:00p.m. tonight. I knew you would not let that slide. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gotcha!!! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif</font color>

hondo
02-07-2008, 09:16 PM
Dee, in 2000 I would have voted for him.
IMHO, he has gotten weirder &amp; weirder since then.

wolfdancer
02-07-2008, 09:28 PM
Score one for the "Alabama Man"
web page (http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/41084/detail/)

Deeman3
02-07-2008, 09:29 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> Dee, in 2000 I would have voted for him.
IMHO, he has gotten weirder &amp; weirder since then. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> He may have a temper and may not be predictable as the republican party would like but I just respect his service. I'll probably have to vote for him as there are no alternatives, at least I don't see one now.

I understand many will find him too far left but he has changed on some of his positions. Yes, flip-flopped, but maybe beterr late than never. I'm not really sure. </font color>

hondo
02-08-2008, 06:10 AM
How much of a temper do we want the President of the United States to have?
I've got a temper and they sure as hell wouldn't want me in there!

LWW
02-08-2008, 06:59 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> How much of a temper do we want the President of the United States to have?
I've got a temper and they sure as hell wouldn't want me in there! <hr /></blockquote>
Agreed! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

LWW

Deeman3
02-08-2008, 09:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote hondo:</font><hr> How much of a temper do we want the President of the United States to have?
I've got a temper and they sure as hell wouldn't want me in there! <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> I think we have a temper situation no matter which of the two leading candidates get in. Hillary has long had a reputation for tirades against Bill, Jews, and even travel office workers so Sen. McCain is not alone here. By the way, a temper in a leader is not a bad thing on occasion for her or him. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif </font color>

DickLeonard
02-08-2008, 10:19 AM
Wolfdancer don't confuse the matter with facts. Did any Officer report ever having visual contact with Airman Bush during his illustrious career with the Invisable Texas Air National Guard.####

wolfdancer
02-08-2008, 10:53 AM
well, no....but during his national guard years, Mexico never attacked Texas.

Deeman3
02-08-2008, 11:10 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> well, no....but during his national guard years, Mexico never attacked Texas. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue"> Maybe it was just preparation for the present Mexican invasion? Are you saying that GWB was ahead of his time? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif </font color>

Gayle in MD
02-08-2008, 11:56 AM
Trust me, he's worse than weird, he's mentally unstable. When a grown man goes into screaming rages over draperies, and air ducts in his office, calling people filthy names, and smashing glass objects into the wall, he's got serious problems.

The phony demeanor he puts on with the soft-spoken voice, is a joke to all on the Hill, even his own party members, know what a truly nasty SOB he is under the facade.

This country is in BIG trouble if he gets elected. The man needs help. I'm sorry for what he went through, but that should be the issue regarding his well known reputation for being unbalanced.

I hardly think Hillary Clinton's impatience when she is trying to get things done, is any comp[arison to McCain's irrational behavior. Any candidate who states he willing to continue with a failed policy for a hundred years, won't be a viable candidate anyway. I hope he gets the nomination, so that the Democrats will be a shoe in.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
02-08-2008, 08:39 PM
I was just wondering, you know since you guys think it is funny about W serving and all...how about Clinton's service? This is important because he will be the first lady this time and do we really need the puppeteer leading his wife through the WH with a war record like his while this country is in the middle of the war? Who will save the dwindling forces left over there during the first exodus?

eg8r

pooltchr
02-08-2008, 09:35 PM
Just wondering....What specifically in Hillary's "35 years of experience" would qualify her to be "Commander in Chief" ? Given her expressed disgust of all things military, how do you think the troops would feel about having to salute her?

Steve

Gayle in MD
02-09-2008, 08:33 AM
Hillary has campaigned for a safe, gradual, responsible deployment of our troops. What does anything about Bill Clinton have to do with that?

Are you asking yourself this same question about McCain's wife, about Hickabees wife? About Obama's wife?

Did the British use Thatcher's husband's war record as a pre-requisite for her service? Did Barbara Bush serve in the military, or smile-nod Laura?

Millions of honor students did not serve in Vietnam. Only one President of modern times, had his daddy pull strings for him, and then aprade himself around in a fighter pilot's suit. There is a difference between legally asking for a deferment, and using political connections to enable one to hide from the war, in a safe little niche, while at the same time claiming honorable service to this country. How come you didn't ask these questions about Dick Cheney? Six deferments? And about as many DWI's between the two, Bush and Cheney. Laura involved in man slaughter, but with a single court appearance? Bush twins out partying their asses off, and arrested for breaking the law, but no questions from Ed.

Pahleeeze, don't call others partisan anymore, Ed.
/ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Gayle in Md.

LWW
02-09-2008, 10:07 AM
As Gayle so eloquently stated ... it's only an issue when a non democrat does it.

Quayle was in the reserves means coward while Clinton fleeing the country means hero while Bush being in the reserves equals coward while Gore being escorted to his typewriter with MPs for his protection means hero ... does that make it easier to understand the DOUBLETHINK position?

LWW

pooltchr
02-09-2008, 10:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Did Barbara Bush serve in the military, or smile-nod Laura?

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Are they trying to become Commander in Chief???

Steve

wolfdancer
02-09-2008, 11:56 AM
Ed, I don't think either of their records are "funny". I believe that Clinton would be more likely to take advice from his Military leaders then GWB.
I doubt if GW envisioned the war lasting this long...
The "mess" belongs to GW...and there are no easy answers.
For the record...I'll vote for Hillary if she is the candidate, and think Bill will be an asset for her.
Bill will be first Lady??? If that will get him into the co-eds dressing rooms, and the women's dorms...he might go along with that.

eg8r
02-09-2008, 01:14 PM
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Ed, I don't think either of their records are "funny". I believe that Clinton would be more likely to take advice from his Military leaders then GWB. <hr /></blockquote> Why? Was he taking advice from military leaders when he ran?

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I doubt if GW envisioned the war lasting this long...
<hr /></blockquote> Maybe, maybe not, I have no idea personally. I definitely did not think we would be there trying to rebuild a country that is W's fault.

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For the record...I'll vote for Hillary if she is the candidate, and think Bill will be an asset for her. <hr /></blockquote> I think Bill is a huge asset and she has no prayer if it was not for him. She would have just been another female lawyer stuck in Arkansas.

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Bill will be first Lady??? If that will get him into the co-eds dressing rooms, and the women's dorms...he might go along with that. <hr /></blockquote> He has no shame. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

eg8r
02-09-2008, 01:21 PM
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Hillary has campaigned for a safe, gradual, responsible deployment of our troops. What does anything about Bill Clinton have to do with that? <hr /></blockquote> Hillary has no original thought. Bill will be leading this country once again if she is elected.

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Are you asking yourself this same question about McCain's wife, about Hickabees wife? About Obama's wife?
<hr /></blockquote> Which question was that. I don't remember seeing their names on the ticket for President.

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Did the British use Thatcher's husband's war record as a pre-requisite for her service? Did Barbara Bush serve in the military, or smile-nod Laura? <hr /></blockquote> Are any of them running for President of this country? You need to stay on topic or you will get yourself screwed up again.

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Millions of honor students did not serve in Vietnam. <hr /></blockquote> What does that have to do with the price of wheat. Stay on topic.

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There is a difference between legally asking for a deferment, and using political connections to enable one to hide from the war, in a safe little niche, while at the same time claiming honorable service to this country. <hr /></blockquote> Your man was a draft dodger. Anything you say about anothers record means nothing.

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And about as many DWI's between the two, Bush and Cheney. <hr /></blockquote> Stay on topic. Remember you get confused easily. You need to focus on what we are talking about.

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Laura involved in man slaughter, but with a single court appearance? Bush twins out partying their asses off, and arrested for breaking the law, but no questions from Ed.
<hr /></blockquote> Not one single one of those instances has anything to do with the subject of this post. Why should I be questioning it if we are not even talking about it.

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Pahleeeze, don't call others partisan anymore, Ed.
<hr /></blockquote> Gayle you are the most partisan person I have ever read.

eg8r

LWW
02-09-2008, 01:34 PM
Partisan radical tools have poisoned the American political water.

LWW

Gayle in MD
02-09-2008, 04:24 PM
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I was just wondering, you know since you guys think it is funny about W serving and all...how about Clinton's service? This is important because he will be the first lady this time and do we really need the puppeteer leading his wife through the WH with a war record like his while this country is in the middle of the war? Who will save the dwindling forces left over there during the first exodus?

eg8r


<font color="red">You keep track and stay on subject, Ed. This, (above quote) was your statement, to which I was responding. Saying that Bill will be running the country, is just another of your outrageous lies. Stay on yor own topic in the future. The rest of your bs is as pointless as your original point, which is a presumption on your part. Bill will not be running the country, but since he has had enjoyed an approval rating far above George Bush will ever have, most Americans would be very happy if they could swap Bill for Bush. You always try to wiggle out of your own stupid statements. This is no different. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif</font color>
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Gayle in MD
02-09-2008, 04:27 PM
I was just wondering, you know since you guys think it is funny about W serving and all...how about Clinton's service? This is important because he will be the first lady this time and do we really need the puppeteer leading his wife through the WH with a war record like his while this country is in the middle of the war? Who will save the dwindling forces left over there during the first exodus?

eg8r


<font color="red">I know how hard it is for you to keep up, so I have provided Ed's original statement, to which I was responding, perhaps you can now decipher my post back to him regarding the spouces of Presidents, since Ed was referring to Clinton, as Hillary's First Lady, and Clinton's deferment. </font color>

eg8r
02-09-2008, 10:46 PM
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You keep track and stay on subject, Ed. This, (above quote) was your statement, to which I was responding. Saying that Bill will be running the country, is just another of your outrageous lies. <hr /></blockquote> LOL, Bill is the puppeteer and Hillary is his shriveled old puppet. Bill will be running the country once again.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
02-11-2008, 01:53 PM
Ed,
I'd be very pleased knowing that Bill was there with her to help her straighten out this balooning recession, end this illegal, immoral war, and solve our health care crises. They've always consulted one another, and been one another's closest advisors, so I'm sure that would continue, however, the law forbids Bill from serving officially. Hillary would be president, not Bill, but according to statistice, a majority of the American Public says that if Bill Clinton could run again, they'd vote for him. Bush, on the other hand, would never get those kind of statistics, and his approval ratings continue to slide, and now that he is backing off on the promised draw down of troop levels in Iraq, as things continue to heat up in Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and the recession grows, bush's approval ratings have yet to hit the bottom that I believe the will during this year, he last, thank heaven! The full range of our damage is yet to be calculated, thanks to Bush, Cheney, and Republican spending, wasting, lying and denying, hence, Republicans are having a much lower turnout in the primaries, than Democratics.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
02-11-2008, 02:41 PM
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I'd be very pleased knowing that Bill was there with her to help her straighten out this balooning recession, end this illegal, immoral war, and solve our health care crises. <hr /></blockquote> At least one of us will be pleased. As far as thinking Bill will help straighten anything out, I disagree.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
02-11-2008, 02:49 PM
Your presidential opinions don't carry much weight with me, Ed. You voted twice for the worst president in history, even after it became clear that he was a psychopathic liar and spendaholic. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Sid_Vicious
02-11-2008, 03:51 PM
"They've always consulted one another, and been one another's closest advisors, so I'm sure that would continue, however, the law forbids Bill from serving officially

Question about that Gayle. Was Bill eliminated from all positions within an adminstration due to his impeachment from the presidency? sid

Gayle in MD
02-11-2008, 04:20 PM
No. This law came about after Kennedy appointed his brother as Attorney General. It applies to all. No family member can serve in an official Presidential appointment capacity, supposedly. I don't know how Dick Cheney got around this, since his son-in-law works in some agency, but I suppose he does not head the agency.

Love,
Gayle

Sid_Vicious
02-11-2008, 04:25 PM
How about as the elected VP? sid

wolfdancer
02-11-2008, 04:30 PM
amazing that you could pen that, then add your little Nazi sh*t to your own post......

Gayle in MD
02-11-2008, 04:31 PM
Wouldn't apply to him. He (VP) can't make cabinet, or agency appointments, just chooses his own aides. But if you're asking can a president appoint the family members of his Vice President, to his (the president's) cabinet, or agency appointments, that's a good question. I'm not really sure about that, but I'll try to find out for you. I would think at the very least, it would be frowned upon, but then, I can't recall exactly what position Dick Cheney's son-in-law holds, or held.

I'll get back later... /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Sid_Vicious
02-11-2008, 05:59 PM
More directly, can Bill legally run as Hillary's running mate. sid

pooltchr
02-11-2008, 06:35 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> thanks to Bush, Cheney, and Republican spending, wasting, lying and denying, hence, Republicans are having a much lower turnout in the primaries, than Democratics.

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

How do you make the assumption that lower turnout is related to the current administration? By all that I am hearing, Republicans don't feel there are any candidates running that are worthy of support.
Steve

bamadog
02-11-2008, 06:53 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Your presidential opinions don't carry much weight with me, Ed. You voted twice for the worst president in history, even after it became clear that he was a psychopathic liar and spendaholic. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif <hr /></blockquote>

And here I thought you liked Slick Willy.

eg8r
02-11-2008, 07:55 PM
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Your presidential opinions don't carry much weight with me, Ed. <hr /></blockquote> Likewise. I am pleased to know that my vote will nullify yours. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 06:56 AM
When I make assumptions, I define them as such. This information has been widely available, that Republicans have been leaving the party throughout the terms of Bush Administration. That the Republican party, cannot raise the money they once were capable of raising. There are also many books on the market, denouncing George Bush's administration, written by former hard core Republicans, who have left the party. Many former Republicans apparently see their party as corrupt, big spenders, who have issues with honesty. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Whom would you like to see on the Republican ticket?

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 07:01 AM
Hardly, unless you're voting in the Maryland today, your vote won't have any impact on mine this time, since any Democrat has a far better chance once on the presidential ticket, than either of the Republican contenders.

Face it, Ed, your party will be trounced, deservedly so.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
02-12-2008, 09:02 AM
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When I make assumptions, I define them as such. This information has been widely available, that Republicans have been leaving the party throughout the terms of Bush Administration. <hr /></blockquote> Where are the examples of Republicans stating they are no longer Republican? I doubt seriously that they are leaving the party, my guess is that they are distancing themselves from W but still Reps.

eg8r

eg8r
02-12-2008, 09:05 AM
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Hardly, unless you're voting in the Maryland today <hr /></blockquote> Your little Maryland vote means nothing in the grand scheme of things. When the vote for President happens, I will gladly step into the booth and nullify your vote with mine. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif You see, it does not matter how big your mouth is on this board, you still only account for one vote. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Face it, Ed, your party will be trounced, deservedly so.
<hr /></blockquote> The sad part is that it is because the Reps have screwed up, NOT because the Dems are any better. People for the most part are probably just ready to see a change. It would be a little easier to swallow if the Dems actually trounced them because they had the better person but that in reality will not be so.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 09:10 AM
Many of them are in jail. Many others have written books, (John Dean for one) and yet others are refusing to commit to supporting a Republican candidate in advance, (Colin Powell) while others have written about the demise of the party, many more are lecturing about why they left the party, (David Kuo) and how the neocons destroyed it, Barry Goldwater, who died in advance of completing his book, which was finished by his good friend, John Dean. Also, Jerry Ford, Write It After I'm gone Not sure of that title, but that's close.

Just stay in your denial, Eg, you're so comfortable there, why leave? You have plenty of company, there's still a lagging 30% of nuts to keep you company. They'll all be voting for John McCain, aka Bush on Crack. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 09:12 AM
Yeah, right, McCain, who is ready to stay in Iraq for another hundred years, and Hickabee , who is ready to re-write the Constitution, into a summary of the bible.

You're nuts.

eg8r
02-12-2008, 09:15 AM
McCain is a Dem in Rep clothing. A vote for him is a vote for Dems so you should be happy you will be getting a vote from your favored 30% also. I will state it now, McCain will not get my vote simply because of his stance for illegal immigration.

eg8r

eg8r
02-12-2008, 09:17 AM
There is not a single Dem that will be worth voting just like there is no Rep worth voting. A vote for hitlary is a vote for bill and I am ashamed to think the votes might be naive enough to think hillary will think on her own should she be elected.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 09:19 AM
There is only one candidate, experienced enough to run this country, and overturn all the negative global feelings about America, but I'm sure you'd never vote for what is best for this country. You'll vote party lines, and in your case, that means the hick, with zilch foreign affairs experience, and neither Republican candidate has any expertise on economics.

You're a real patriot...nothing partisan about you /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 09:21 AM
You ought to be ashamed for your last votes. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

eg8r
02-12-2008, 09:38 AM
There is no candidate with enough experience. The last time your person even had anything to say in the WH turned out to be an utter failure and they fell flat on their face.

eg8r

eg8r
02-12-2008, 09:40 AM
Not ashamed one bit. Bush was the better candidate over Gore and Kerry. I have serious doubt either one of them would have been able to handle any of the situations W has been faced with. Even though W was not very successful he was still a better man for the job over Kerry and Gore.

eg8r

LWW
02-12-2008, 09:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote wolfdancer:</font><hr> amazing that you could pen that, then add your little Nazi sh*t to your own post...... <hr /></blockquote>
It's OK Wolfie ... I never expected you to get it.

Hondo finally did ... maybe.

LWW

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 10:08 AM
Right, that's why 65% of Americans think Clinton was a great president, /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif and he is admired and respected all over the world. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Hillary was his closest advisor, and was in on all his decisions.

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 10:17 AM
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Not ashamed one bit. <font color="red">OICm shameless over voting for the worst president in history, whose incompetence has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and killed nearly four thousand American troops. </font color> Bush was the better candidate over Gore and Kerry. <font color="red">Neither of them would have launched a pre-emptive war on cherry picked intelligence, nor would they have gone to war in the wrong place, at the wrong time, nor would Kerry have stayed in Iraq, which would have saved thousands of American troops. </font color> I have serious doubt either one of them would have been able to handle any of the situations W has been faced with. <font color="red">Most all of them he created through his own incompetence. </font color> Even though W was not very successful he was still a better man for the job over Kerry and Gore. <font color="red">You should never accuse others of partisanship, Ed, it's a real joke. Bush is already known as the worst president ever, and acknowledged as such by both sides of the isle, but not Ed, he can't admit he made a mistake, even when the results cost the needless deaths of nearly four thousand American troops, due to the bull headed refusal to plan ahead, and listen to experts, when he had NO foreign Policy experience, at all, never even been out of the country!

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Not ashamed one bit. Bush was the better candidate over Gore and Kerry. I have serious doubt either one of them would have been able to handle any of the situations W has been faced with. Even though W was not very successful he was still a better man for the job over Kerry and Gore.

eg8r

<font color="red">How the hell could they have done worse? /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif </font color>

eg8r <hr /></blockquote>

Deeman3
02-12-2008, 10:41 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Right, that's why 65% of Americans think Clinton was a great president, /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif and he is admired and respected all over the world. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Hillary was his closest advisor, and was in on all his decisions. <hr /></blockquote>

<font color="blue">and right now, your party seems to be self-destructing with the Hillary Party now turning to someone, en mass, you have described as inexperienced, all talk and not electable. How can this happen? How could all you politically savy people be dupped by a someone so shallow?

Can Obama run the table? Is this the end of the Hillary express? It's hard to blame the right when she is apparently being abandoned by her own people so far before the general election. But, of course, you will. </font color>

Sid_Vicious
02-12-2008, 10:53 AM
DITT0! sid

cheesemouse
02-12-2008, 11:00 AM
This thread has taken some interesting twists and turns. I think one of them is most of us could be talking head pundits on any tv show and do as well as the pros. Another shocker to me was McCain coming back from the politically dead to become the seeming winner, the guy is like one of those mummy's that just gets up and walks right out of the pyramid. Who would have thunk Hillary being in this pickle so late in the game? That's why I love these election years there are nothing but surprises.

I've always had this idea that whoever wins the president ship would be OK because the office, the job, and great responsibility would transform them into someone special whose total was greater than the sum of the parts. Now that idea may have recently (these last seven years) been proved naive on my part but I haven't given up on the specialness of that job yet. So, I'm now looking for someone who has a chance to grow in the office. I hope it comes down to Obama and McCain and then my choice will be easy.

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 11:21 AM
<font color="red"> Foolish man. Lessons learned, by all the pundits, and particularly the Hillary Bashers, never count Hillary Clinton out!

Here's my take. My party, as you put it, is not self-destructing, YOUR party is, hence, they're repulsed by their own candidates. Hillary and Obama, will end up working together to harness the mentally disturbed idiot in the White House, as some hint to me in private, is already happening. Now I see signs of it publicly...

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Sam Stein
The Huffington Post

huffpolitics,
Webb Suggests Legal Action Against Bush On Iraq
February 11, 2008 06:53 PM


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Sen. Jim Webb thinks legal action against the Bush administration may be needed if the president pursues a long-term military presence in Iraq without Congress' approval.

"I'm not convinced we don't need to have a lawsuit ready," Webb told the Huffington Post. "This is a classic separation of powers issue. I started to talk to people about this today."

In recent days the administration has seemingly backed away from attempting to secure extended military-to-military relationship with the Iraqi government to replace a current U.N. Mandate. Webb and others -- most notably Rep. Rosa DeLauro and Sen. Hillary Clinton -- have pushed legislation that would restrict federal money for any such agreement unless it came in the form of a congressional treaty. And while a victory on that front seems within grasp, the possibility still exists, Webb warned, for the administration to ultimately circumvent congressional input.

"They are characterizing this as within the authority of the Executive Branch. They will wait to August when everyone is at the conventions, and leave it on our doorstep," said the Virginia Democrat. "If the Senate hasn't acted by then, they are going to announce an agreement between the Executive Branch and Iraq."

The issue of a long-term military presence in Iraq reemerged on the political landscape today after Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he may suspend the reduction of U.S. troops from the country depending on security considerations.

"A brief period of consolidation and evaluation probably does make sense," Gates told reporters during a short stop at this U.S. base in southern Baghdad.

Earlier proclamations from Gates suggested that the U.S. would not pursue a policy of extended military presence and that conditions in Iraq would improve enough during the second half of 2008 to permit troop withdrawals.

Asked to respond to Gates' remarks, Webb cautioned that, before working off of one person's assessment, the Senate would best be served to get the input of generals on the ground. He also agreed that the statement fit into the greater context of the Bush administration and its congressional allies pushing to make America's presence in the region permanent.

"I think they are doing everything they can," said Webb. "And I don't think there is any secret to the fact that Sen. Mitch McConnell and John McCain and most of the people in the Republican Party are comfortable with the fact that we will be in Iraq for the next 50 years."

The issue of permanency has been a focal point of the Democratic presidential campaign. On the campaign trail, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, asked her challenger, Sen. Barack Obama, D-IL, to co-sponsor her bill that would prevent the president from entering into such a pact without approval from Congress. On Monday, the two candidates weighed in on the topic with each offering critical statements of Gates' proclamation.

"I strongly disagree with the Administration's plans to 'pause' the long overdue removal of our combat brigades from Iraq," said Obama. "We cannot wage war without end in Iraq while ignoring mounting costs to our troops and their families, our security and our economy... Instead of false promises and a faulty strategy, the American people need a rapid and responsible removal of our combat brigades that relieves the burden on our military."

Added Clinton: "This means that we will have as many troops in Iraq in the summer of 2008 as we had at the beginning of 2007. I continue to call on the President to end the war he started, to take responsibly for bringing our young men and women home... The whole idea behind this so-called surge was to give the Iraqi government the space and time to make the tough decisions that only they can make for themselves and the future of their country."

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If Hillary does well in Texas and Ohio, she will win the nomination, and I believe she will take Obama in as her VP. Democrats are not going to throw out Florida's votes, and they will push for the candidates to run together. If Obama wins in Texas and Ohio, I'll be very surprised, but it could happen. He'd be a fool not to ask Hillary to be his vice president. She would still be young enough to run in eight years, be the first VP, and in that amount of time, given the deals they would probably cut behind the scenes as to her duties, which would be expanded to match Cheney's vast Vice Presidential powers, and you'll be facing Hillary as your new Dick Cheney, LMAO!

I don't know where you get this contention that she has been abandoned by her own people. Those lefties in the press who have bashed her, are clearly misogynists, IMO, and the Kennedy's apparently got miffed when Hillary said that LBJ helped end discrimination, and didn't mention JFK, but where did it get them? She still won Kennedy's own state, even with the governor and Caroline at his side, and she still won California, where they pulled out all the stops, including Oprah, Stevie Wonder, and Maria Schriever, and her MOM! She still has a good chance to win, and given the predictions of her doom months ago, before she pulled off New Hampshire, only fools would burry her this soon, IMO.

Either way, You're going to have a Democratic President, and Bush will continue to illegally push for permenancy in Iraq, which the vast majority of Americans are completely against, and as he tries to go about it illegally, without Congressional approval, behind the scenes, in the midnight hours, his usual sneaky methods, Democrats will be further united against the menece in the White House.

Reports from Iraq are incorrect, as the killings by the al Qaeda terrorists that Bush now has on our payroll, (that's right, your tax dollars are going to al Qaeda terrorists) and Sunni terrorist extremists, and they are not about to report all the midnight hour killings, why would they, and not get that nice fat pay check that Bush is giving them...

No political progress, means the surge has failed. Even if it had been a raging success, which it clearly has not, since the purpose for it has failed, Americans STILL want our troops to come home. Some have enough sense, memory, and non partisan positions to recall that all along the experts, and Democrats, like John Murtha, said that Iraqis would get rid of al Qaeda, if we got the hell out of their way, and they were doing that before Bush escalated this American presence. Now Bush has not only armed them, and is paying them, the insurgents, and al Qaeda, but he has given them a reason to rise up and demand more money in the future, easy to do, they'll just start to car bomb, and slaughter in a more public, more undeniable, less hidden way.

I blame the right, and George Bush, for what they do, and did, create total chaos in the midst of what should have been an all out effort to smash al Qaeda once and for all. Believe me, Bush did far worse to McCain, than either Hillary, or Obama, have done to one another. And also, stop saying that I have suggested that the attack is strictly from the right, I have stated that attacks from the left have been largely flavored with sexist statements, and that is true in Mathew's case, and as far as I can see, only Wolf Blitzer, Lou Dobbs, and Pat Buchannon, have been fair to Hillary, yes Pat Buchanon, from the right, but then, you only watch Faux Noise, right?</font color> /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

eg8r
02-12-2008, 11:42 AM
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You should never accuse others of partisanship, Ed, it's a real joke. <hr /></blockquote> Gayle you are partisan and that has nothing to do with whether I am or not.

eg8r

wolfdancer
02-12-2008, 11:50 AM
I see nothing wrong with being partisan
"A fervent, sometimes militant supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea."
And using that definition, I'd say Gayle was, I iz..to an extent...and you might be, but on the wrong side, of course.
And then there are the lightheaded weird wackos, that think they are partisan, but in reality, just CNC's ...certifiable nut cases.

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 12:00 PM
Yes it does, because calling me one makes you a hypocrit.

I have voted for Republicans in the past, Ed, and one for the presidency, a true conservative. I've stated here that I admired two Republican Representatives, Smith, and...can't recall just now the other guy's name. I'd bet the farm you NEVER have voted for a Dem, nor would you even entertain the idea, eventhough you have only two choices, one of which is mentally unstable, and the other one smashed up the hard drives in the governors office before he left, and wants to re-write the Constitution. But you'll vote for the Baptist holly roller, I'm sure, and it won't matter anyway, because...neither will win the election, and your taxes are going to go up because your last F-up in the voting booth has put this country near bankrupt, so shut up and shell out, time to pay for those tax cuts paid for with borrowed money, Sonny. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Despite attacks across Iraq falling by 60 percent since last June, ethnically-mixed Diyala remains a headache for the U.S. and Iraqi forces.

A mass grave was found there with thirteen bodies. Let me explain something as it pertains to the reputed drop of violence in and around baghdad. It's a lie.

We have allowed the tribal war lords, and al Qaeda operatives, terrorists, to "help" or "assist" the United States and the Iraqi Army and Police forces in maintaining "security".

So the drop in violence is due to these people simply not reporting who they are killing. It keeps the dead off the books (for a while until the bodies turn up).

The killing and dying continues unabated.

It's just another in a long line of total fabrications as put forth by Bush.

There will be no Republican President come November, of that you may be sure.

Gayle in Md.

pooltchr
02-12-2008, 12:06 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> <font color="red">Neither of them would have launched a pre-emptive war on cherry picked intelligence, nor would they have gone to war in the wrong place, at the wrong time, nor would Kerry have stayed in Iraq, which would have saved thousands of American troops. </font color> <hr /></blockquote>

Which superpower is it you have that allows you to know what someone else would or wouldn't have done given any set of circumstances? For all you know, they could have done far worse. None of us will ever know, because the voters agreed that neither of them should be given the opportunity to do the job.
Steve

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 12:21 PM
You're quite wrong, both elections were thrown using the usual Republican methods, illegal methods. bush was not elected, he was appointed, by five men in robes, who were friends of his da da, and he got into the white house the same way he stayed our of Vietnam, and out of jail for insider trading, Da Da's buddies took care of it all for him.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
02-12-2008, 12:22 PM
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Yes it does, because calling me one makes you a hypocrit. <hr /></blockquote> Again, that still does not change the fact that you are partisan. I know you think I have these powers over you but alas you are wrong. You are your own person and no matter what someone else does or say it will never detract from the fact that you are partisan on your own accord. As far as your mentions of the past they do not matter because Gayle in the present is very partisan in every post you make.

eg8r

eg8r
02-12-2008, 12:26 PM
I agree with your post completely (except. Gayle is the one that is having problems with her partisanship. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

eg8r
02-12-2008, 12:29 PM
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You're quite wrong, both elections were thrown using the usual Republican methods, illegal methods. bush was not elected, he was appointed <hr /></blockquote> Keep living in your fantasy.

eg8r &lt;~~~finds it funny that everyone who thinks W lost to Gore likes to ignore the simple fact that during every single recount W won.

Gayle in MD
02-12-2008, 12:30 PM
Your opinion on this subject means nothing to me. You are the partisan who votes only for Republicans, regardless of what they do, and even when they lie us into a war. And even when nearly four thousand Americans have died because of lies and incompetence, still you deny factual information. Even when your chosen repiglicans have committed treason, you still defend tham, even when their lies are documented on film, you still deny it, and there is nothing more partisan than that.

End of discussion.

eg8r
02-12-2008, 12:35 PM
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Your opinion on this subject means nothing to me. <hr /></blockquote> Apparently it means plenty because you won't let it drop. Even wolfies see you as partisan. You are the only one that does not see it.

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Even when your chosen repiglicans have committed treason, you still defend tham <hr /></blockquote> I still believe in the Justice system which you are trying to throw in the garbage. Innocent until proven guilty.

eg8r

pooltchr
02-12-2008, 06:46 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> You're quite wrong, both elections were thrown using the usual Republican methods, illegal methods. bush was not elected, he was appointed, by five men in robes, who were friends of his da da, and he got into the white house the same way he stayed our of Vietnam, and out of jail for insider trading, Da Da's buddies took care of it all for him.

Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

Notice how conveniently you skipped over the first part of that post. How can you claim to know what anyone else would have done under any circumstances?
You can't answer straightforward questions. You can't respond to direct comments. All you can do is spew the same old garbage you have been spewing on this board for years.
Steve

pooltchr
02-12-2008, 07:03 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> the same way he stayed our of Vietnam,
Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

And please tell us, oh fair and balanced Gayle...How did your man Bill stay out of VietNam.
Actually, don't bother. Since you have made it clear that no man should have an opinion on abortion until he has been pregnant, I will defer to the same logic and say that nobody who hasn't served in the military should have any opinion on the subject.
Steve

hondo
02-12-2008, 07:35 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote pooltchr:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> the same way he stayed our of Vietnam,
Gayle in Md. <hr /></blockquote>

And please tell us, oh fair and balanced Gayle...How did your man Bill stay out of VietNam.
Actually, don't bother. Since you have made it clear that no man should have an opinion on abortion until he has been pregnant, I will defer to the same logic and say that nobody who hasn't served in the military should have any opinion on the subject.
Steve <hr /></blockquote>

What's the big deal with Viet Nam? Rove had his henchmen
convince half of America in the last election that
the Nam vet was the traitor and the NG part-time ,
half-assed reservist was the hero.
The sheeple will believe any spin served to them if
the one serving it was devious enough.
Some blow hard on here called a 2 tour, decorated Nam vet a know-nothing
coward because he didn't support Bushie's occupation of a
Muslim nation.
To the neo-cons, serving in Nam only counts if you believe
Bush's crap.
Otherwise, you're "investing in America's defeat."
Time for me to take another break from these horses*it
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bamadog
02-12-2008, 08:38 PM
It's all about you hondo.
Because you served in Vietnam doesn't mean you are informed about Iraq. You clearly are not.
But we all appreciate your service.

Gayle in MD
02-13-2008, 05:55 PM
Actually Steve, I won't be answering any of your questions. When you learn how to write a civil post, I'll answer it.

pooltchr
02-13-2008, 06:39 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Gayle in MD:</font><hr> Actually Steve, I won't be answering any of your questions. When you learn how to write a civil post, I'll answer it. <hr /></blockquote>

Nothing new here...you never answer tough questions...you just go off on another little rant to side-step them.
Steve